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    Post  miketheterrible Tue Jan 26, 2021 6:37 pm

    PhSt wrote:As I have inquired in another thread, the recent Russian sovereign internet law is supposed to deal with this kind of NATzO information space warfare. Why is this not being put into action?

    That I wish I knew.
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    Post  kvs Tue Jan 26, 2021 7:36 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:Interesting, the region consists of more Russians than Bashkirs.  

    Anyway, read this

    https://twitter.com/sashakots/status/1353999435685130241?s=20

    So a new telegram channel opens up, copy and pasting instructions (forgetting to modify) from Belarus equivalent to Russian. Doxxing police officers and the like

    I wonder, I though Telegram had their shit reeled in by Russian authorities?  Isn't this technically illegal?

    Telegram is an offshore racket with the clown owner living offshore. It is no better than Facebook.

    Russia needs to start "cracking down" on the NATzO social media. Hell, NATzO itself needs to start cracking down on this freak show
    if it wants to retain any semblance of sanity.

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    Post  miketheterrible Tue Jan 26, 2021 8:00 pm

    kvs wrote:
    miketheterrible wrote:Interesting, the region consists of more Russians than Bashkirs.  

    Anyway, read this

    https://twitter.com/sashakots/status/1353999435685130241?s=20

    So a new telegram channel opens up, copy and pasting instructions (forgetting to modify) from Belarus equivalent to Russian. Doxxing police officers and the like

    I wonder, I though Telegram had their shit reeled in by Russian authorities?  Isn't this technically illegal?

    Telegram is an offshore racket with the clown owner living offshore.   It is no better than Facebook.

    Russia needs to start "cracking down" on the NATzO social media.   Hell, NATzO itself needs to start cracking down on this freak show
    if it wants to retain any semblance of sanity.


    Probably. I just remembered that Telegram was faced being blocked in Russia until they cooperated. And Durov the idiot did.
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    Post  kvs Tue Jan 26, 2021 8:23 pm

    Even if he agreed to something, he can hide behind the excuse that the Telegram account creation system does not control
    who sets something up and he does not have the resources to check every account. In this regard he may actually be right.
    Alphabet has way more resources to censor accounts than Telegram.

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    Post  Tsavo Lion Tue Jan 26, 2021 11:29 pm

    Putin's palace. History of world's largest bribe
    94,071,324 views
    An analyst says that the video statistics show it's being viewed mostly during daytime in Russia & the peak is during launch break in the European part; the 4.2M likes r done by real account holders but 153K dislikes r done by bots: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Br6-EbTxZug
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Wed Jan 27, 2021 12:21 am

    Might as well do the moonwalk for all that walkbacking lol! clown
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    Post  kvs Wed Jan 27, 2021 12:32 am

    Putin's crime against humanity is that he had private money pay for some of this government complex. As I posted before,
    in Russia large companies pay for schools, hospitals and other social welfare directly instead of just through taxes. It is
    legacy of the USSR period. So taxpayers were saved some money and that is a "bribe". How? Where is the quid pro quo?
    Bribes are given by the rich to get what they want. Do the Russian rich love being sodomized by Putin. Do they feel
    turned on when be brow beats them in public. How about when he stops them from running the usual rackets like massive
    project delays and cost overruns as is the norm in the west?

    You can see this whole steaming pile of propaganda BS is tailored to divert attention from the massive corruption in the west.
    Including the banana republic electoral fraud that goes with it in the USA. Now all the retarded sheep will forget how Biden
    stole the 2020 presidential election and will spazz over Putin's "palace" and "biggest bribe in history". lol1

    When the US regime gives trillions of dollars in corporate welfare there of course is no corruption. It is just heartfelt
    charity with the same politicians and government appointees going through the revolving door and sitting on the boards
    of directors of those same companies which they lavishly gifted with taxpayer money. So we see rotten US politicians
    actually bribing the private sector with trillions of dollars to assure that they get cushy jobs. But, hey, Putin's palace
    and its $1.3 billion price tag (for a massive compound with roads and buildings and even airport terminal upgrades)
    is the "biggest bribe in history".

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    Post  kvs Wed Jan 27, 2021 12:36 am

    magnumcromagnon wrote:Might as well do the moonwalk for all that walkbacking lol! clown
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    How does this fucker know that they are Putin's friends? Because they were in the same
    room at one time or another. Gee, I must have thousands and thousands of friends then.
    I have been in places with quite a few people, you know, subways, shopping malls, theaters,
    busy sidewalks. And proximity = friendship.



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    Post  Tsavo Lion Wed Jan 27, 2021 12:57 am

    Putin's crime against humanity is that he had private money pay for some of this government complex.
    FYI, as Putin himself said, it's owned by some businessmen, not the RF Gov. It's a bribe because: 1. it was totally unnecessary to build it on the smaller area initially intended for a summer children's camp; 2. the $B+ didn't come from approved Gov. funding for that purpose; 3. the lack of transparency & the secrecy surrounding it was blown by a lengthy investigation, & those alleged businessmen owners, former & current, kept their mafia-like code of silence. There is a name for it: conspiracy.

    How does this fucker know that they are Putin's friends?
    public avail. data & bio. info. was collected from open sources on them being from the same Leningrad/St Petersburg area where Putin is from, & in the same power structures.



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    Post  kvs Wed Jan 27, 2021 1:17 am



    So just one of Navalny's BitCoin pockets has 1.57 billion rubles in it. This amounts to 20.36 million US dollars.
    Nice racket this clown is running. Explains why he can go on expensive vacations, etc.

    Expect this particular pocket to be expunged in the coming hours.

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    Post  Tsavo Lion Wed Jan 27, 2021 2:17 am

    By the same token, Putin's estimated assets =$40B, if not more. So, he steals from the Russians while Navalny was allegedly enjoying $ from the West.
    This reminds me of the story of how a famous bandit thief was brought before Alexander the Macedonian; the thief told him that "I steal from the local people but u conquer & steal whole countries".
    A huge country with so many resources should have a population with the standard of living a lot higher than it currently is. Instead, the oligarchs r living on stolen $ & assets. whatever the mericans have isn't relevant: 2 wrongs doesn't make it right.


    Rule by law: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUMCvkAUCkk

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXSM4v_ZW6o

    The official figures were lower than the actual # of protesters:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyazfyn3zr8


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    Post  Backman Wed Jan 27, 2021 5:18 am

    Tsavo Lion wrote:Putin's palace. History of world's largest bribe
    94,071,324 views  
    An analyst says that the video statistics show it's being viewed mostly during daytime in Russia & the peak is during launch break in the European part; the 4.2M likes r done by real account holders but 153K dislikes r done by bots: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Br6-EbTxZug

    Oh yes. All 4.2 million likes are 100% real. And all 153k dislikes are done by bots. Glad they are this transparently ridiculous. You'd think they would spin something believable.


    Anyway when was this Navalny video released ? Its only been some days. And they are saying its at nearly 100 million views. So we are supposed to believe that some obscure politics video is getting the same views as the most popular music videos in the world. Like you know... Justine Beiber ?

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    Post  kvs Wed Jan 27, 2021 5:33 am

    It's all the same fraud. Now it is not enough to have some crowd constituting less than 0.25% of the local population bypassing
    the ballot box and opinion polls. We have YouCrap hits acting as a replacement for both as well. What is that you say?
    Internet opinion polls where people click to rank are not considered real opinion polls. That's right.

    This is what can be called idiot perception management. When Navalny and his pals can't get more than 2-5% support (with
    the upper bound being generous by including less toxic oppositionists), well, just have 100,000,000 clicks on YouCrap and
    they can declare themselves to be the legitimate leaders of Russia. NATzO of course will rush to recognize this "legitimacy".

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    Post  Tsavo Lion Wed Jan 27, 2021 5:37 am

    Oh yes. All 4.2 million likes are 100% real. And all 153k dislikes are done by bots.
    even if not, 153K Putin followers vs. 4.2 million haters is a huge margin!



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    Post  Backman Wed Jan 27, 2021 5:50 am

    Tsavo Lion wrote:By the same token, Putin's estimated assets =$40B, if not more. So, he steals from the Russians

    This is childish language. We don't know Putins net worth. It probably somewhat higher than the Clintons or the Trumps. There were assets for sale in the 1990's. Putin was close to the action. Why wouldn't he accumulate some ? But here you are saying "Putin steals money". Yeah. Im sure its just that simple. He tops up his bank account at the Russian treasury. This is nonsense.

    Bill and Hillary Clinton made 240 million dollars in the last 15 years. Bill and Hillary earned $11 million in 2015, their lowest total since 2009. Even still, their combined earnings were higher the total compensation packages of some of America’s highest-profile business executives, including Apple CEO Tim Cook.

    We don't know how the system works in Russia. But its probably something along the lines of the US system. And we don't even know how that system works. All we know is, elites aren't poor.

    Ronald Reagan was paid 2 million dollars for a speech in 1989. Care to explain why ?

    If Putin steals money than be consistent and say Clinton steals money. And Obama steals money. And Bush steals money. And Reagan steals money.

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    Post  Tsavo Lion Wed Jan 27, 2021 6:07 am

    Regardless where they live, their wealth came from the wealth that others didn't get to share. A few years ago I calculated that if the richest Mexican (he was the richest un the world then) gave his $ to all Mexicans below poverty line, each would get $16K. That could be a good start for them! I myself never was able to save as much in the US.
    Putin gets his wealth from the oligarchs who plunder the nation, & it is an affront to the people.
    This isn't new: the Czars were the richest men in the Russian Empire, & Putin want to be like them.



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    Post  miketheterrible Wed Jan 27, 2021 6:40 am

    Don't expect much from Tsavo. He is a retard. He couldn't even recognize an old meme and think my Avatar is me. He lacks intelligence and speaks about things he doesn't understand nor wants to.

    The concept of bot voting is beyond him.

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    Post  GarryB Wed Jan 27, 2021 11:14 am

    Estimated by who?

    This secret Bond base is a bribe, but there is nothing linking Putin to it... except the word of his political enemies, who offer no evidence or proof... sounds like the Novachok/Polonium stories... highly likely in the opinion of Putins enemies that this is the proof they need that he is bent... yet it proves nothing and we already know the people making the accusations are even more bent than they are suggesting Putin is.

    Putin gets his wealth from the oligarchs who plunder the nation, & it is an affront to the people.

    You are making a very big claim here... you have said Putins wealth is estimated at 40 billion, but you did not say estimated by whom... and exactly where this wealth actually is.

    You have mentioned this extravagant palace but also admit Putin has never been there... perhaps he owns Hawaii... he has probably never been there either.

    All this accusation and inuendo, but it all comes from the west and from Putins political enemies, which makes them a rather unreliable source of anything.

    You would think if he had billions hidden away that Panama would be the ideal hiding place... certainly the choice of so many western criminals, yet there was no mention of Putins hidden money... perhaps that is a clue.

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    Post  Hole Wed Jan 27, 2021 12:14 pm

    https://www.stalkerzone.org/the-truth-about-navalnys-youtube-statistics/
    Don´t believe a statistic you didn´t forge yourself.

    If Putin would realy use all his time in office to steal money, why is he still president? Why isn´t he sitting on the beach somewhere and rnjoys his retirement? Now, some morons will say that he has to stay in office because otherwise he could be persecuted by the next guy. But if he has to stay in power, then why steal money? He can use all the stuff owned by the state (palaces, planes, cars).
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    Post  calripson Wed Jan 27, 2021 4:57 pm

    When Stalin died, it is reported he had only 6 suits in his closet and a few hundred rubles in his bank account. What did it matter as he had absolute power? No need for money. If Putin has money stashed away and uses government palaces - who cares? There is no way he could have come to power by practicing Jeffersonian democracy. If the billions weren't in his pockets or pockets of his buddies they would be in Khodorkovsky's, Berezovsky's, or Rothschild's pockets not the pockets of some students in Moscow. The only question is which option was better for Russia. The answer is clear - just look at taxation of natural resource industries under Putin - the proceeds of which flow to the state and people - versus under the Yeltsin regime. That is why in 1995 people were literally malnourished and collapsing on the street because their state owned factories hadn't paid wages in 12 months.

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    Post  kvs Wed Jan 27, 2021 5:22 pm

    The claims that Putin has billions are all inane BS.   Since nobody can trace his alleged wealth offshore, we have the assertion
    that friends hold it on his behalf.   Sure, like we don't see from the tragic stories of lottery winners that even family can screw
    you over when they want to "share" your money.   So Putin's "friends" aka casual acquaintances are all Mother Theresas...

    The USA has gained access to the banking information of Cyprus and every other offshore.   It gained access to Swiss banking
    records years ago.   No Putin's billions anywhere.   And shares are public financial assets which why Forbes can rank the world's
    richest people.  

    Morons like Tsavo Lion can cut and paste non sequitur BS in their hater brains to believe in any anti-Russian fairy tale.   But
    objective information is clear that Putin is not amassing wealth like all the corrupt sock puppets including ruble billionaire
    Navalny.

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    Post  Backman Wed Jan 27, 2021 6:08 pm

    ^ The US govt forced Switzerland to change their banking laws a few years ago. So they had all this new access. Then there was the Panama papers. They found more dirt on Mitt Romney and Petro Poroshenko than they did Putin. All the books are open and they still can't find Putins alleged billions.

    They can't find his money but Navalny somehow personally got exclusive access to Putins house. Including his bedroom. And while he was at it , he sifted through the basement to find the blueprints. And took copies of those too.

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    Post  Tsavo Lion Wed Jan 27, 2021 7:14 pm

    "Putin is very cautious and he is a great expert at hiding things, if the rumors are true.".. "Putin's visible watch collection is worth multiples of his official salary," the anti-corruption campaigner told CNN. "The wealth came as a result of extortion and massive theft from state funds."..The International Consortium of Investigative Journalists has alleged that people around Putin shield his real wealth from public view. The newspaper Novaya Gazeta and the Organized Crime and Corruption Reporting Project have reached similar conclusions. ..
    "There isn't going to be a shares certificate with Putin's name on it, or a bank account linked to him," he said.
    "The way mafia syndicates work is that you have a godfather who does favors for his underlings," he added. "In return, at some point in the future, his underlings return the favor... it makes more sense to think about it like that."
    The Russian president, who is notoriously private, is also secretive about his net worth. Amazon CEO Jeff Bezos is the reigning richest man in the world with a net worth of around $131 billion. However, former Hermitage Capital Management CEO Bill Browder, an opponent of Putin, estimated the Russian leader’s net worth at $200 billion.
    “I estimate that [Putin] has accumulated $200 billion of ill-gotten gains,” Browder told the Senate Judiciary Committee in 2017. ..
    Previously, a former Kremlin adviser, Stanislav Belkovsky, claimed in 2007 that Putin was worth at least $40 billion.

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    "Putin's name doesn't appear on any shareholders' register, of course. There is a non-transparent scheme of successive ownership of offshore companies and funds. The final point is in Zug [in Switzerland] and Liechtenstein. Vladimir Putin should be the beneficiary owner." ..Critics say the wave of renationalisations under Putin has transformed Putin's associates into multimillionaires. The dilemma now facing the Kremlin's elite is how to hang on to its wealth if Putin leaves power, experts say. Most of its money is located in the west, they add. The pressing problem is how to protect these funds from any future administration that may seek to reclaim them. .. According to Panfilova, the "randomised" corruption of the 1990s has given way to the "systemic and institutionalised corruption" of the Putin era. Members of Putin's cabinet personally control the most important sectors of the economy - oil, gas and defence. Medvedev is chairman of Gazprom; Sechin runs Rosneft; other ministers are chairmen of Russian railways, Aeroflot, a nuclear fuel giant and an energy transport enterprise.
    Putin has created a new, more streamlined oligarchy, his critics say. "The crown jewels of the country's wealth have ended up in the hands of Putin's inner circle," Vladimir Rzyhkov - a former independent MP - wrote in Monday's Moscow Times.
    Belkovsky - who published a book about Putin's finances last year, and who is the director of the National Strategic Institute, a Moscow thinktank - claims he is confident of his assessment of Putin's hidden wealth. "It's not a secret among the elites,' he said. "But please pay attention that Vladimir Vladimirovich [Putin] has never sued me."


    Putin was going to use the palace after all the problems there were fixed; in the meantime, he had many other palaces at his disposal.
    In 1979, Khomeini returned to Iran from Paris- does it mean that France orchestrated the Islamic Revolution there?
    If the issues Navalny investigated weren't relevant, he would have no support on the street & online.
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    Post  par far Wed Jan 27, 2021 7:17 pm

    https://www.rt.com/russia/513796-kremlin-foreign-agents-payments/


    https://www.rt.com/russia/513792-police-search-navalny-appartment/



    This is good news, more stuff like this needs to happen.

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    Post  par far Wed Jan 27, 2021 7:18 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:Don't expect much from Tsavo. He is a retard.  He couldn't even recognize an old meme and think my Avatar is me.  He lacks intelligence and speaks about things he doesn't understand nor wants to.

    The concept of bot voting is beyond him.


    This Tsavo Lion is clearly a troll account, so it is better to ignore him or just put him on ignore list.

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