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    Post  Tsavo Lion Sun Jan 24, 2021 11:07 pm

    kvs wrote:Prove it asshole. Your stupid links don't even start to do so. He is facing up to 5 years of jail time for his parole violation.   Demands by NATzO maggots do not make Russian law.
    if the law is being misused, it's not worth the paper it's written on.
    Learn Russian or hire interpreter to watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7FnXKgiPKY

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoC8TVEU5sQ

    You know that secret service agents are actually trained to deal with such situations.
    he wasn't the regular operative but a mil. chemist, & such people make mistakes. All others Navalny called hung up on him.
    But clearly Tsavo Lion and the rest of the NATzO retard monkeys think Russians are too dumb to be able to learn.
    there r different levels of intelligence or dumbness, depending who is analyzing them in any particular individual. Even if I'm a monkey, ur ability to know what I think is very limited, to say the least. If u like Putin's regime so much, go & live under it while there's still time.
    U both better stop calling names before I get the Mods involved!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQZr2NgKPiU


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    Post  GarryB Mon Jan 25, 2021 3:45 am

    if the law is being misused , it's not worth the paper it's written on.

    Navalny is in the wrong, and he has to face the consequences of his actions.

    The fact that he is trying to stir up public agitation in a situation where he is clearly in the wrong makes harsher penalties in his case much more appropriate and necessary.

    The law is being correctly applied... he broke his bail conditions, and considering his history I would think 30 days confinement is nothing... the people of the UK have confinement till about July don't they?

    Learn Russian or hire interpreter to watch this

    This is an English language forum, post an English translation or summary or don't bother posting.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Mon Jan 25, 2021 4:30 am

    GarryB wrote:
    if the law is being misused , it's not worth the paper it's written on.
    Navalny is in the wrong, and he has to face the consequences of his actions. The law is being correctly applied... he broke his bail conditions, ..-after being poisoned & not be able to return in time? He had a valid excuse stipulated in the rules, & sent notifications of where he was & why. If he was a flight risk, why let him leave his residence, much less go to Germany, in violation of restrictions on his movements? Then the FSB kill team was following him for years on different planes & attempted to poison him twice but was still caught doing that. 6 years later they recalled his 2(!) suspended sentences, threw him in jail to bet sentenced to a few years in prison camp, from which he may never come out alive.  

    The fact that he is trying to stir up public agitation in a situation where he is clearly in the wrong makes harsher penalties in his case much more appropriate and necessary.-he wants to change the system & his treatment only helps in showing the true face of the regime; freedom of peaceful assembly is guaranteed in the RF Constitution; the police efforts to disperse protesters is what led to the latest violence.
    Learn Russian or hire interpreter to watch this
    This is an English language forum, post an English translation or summary or don't bother posting.
    -it won't do as proof here. I can post anything to support my views but a proof from me is being demanded here. When u see leaders meet, each has his own interpreter, to avoid getting inaccurate translations. FYI, I have absolutely nothing to gain by my arguments being accepted here, much less by posting false info. to support them. Those who r not indifferent to Russia & have the means better get 1st hand sources to help them separate the wheat from the chaff or don't bother complaining, hollering & calling names.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_l07tkcg5Uw


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    Post  Backman Mon Jan 25, 2021 5:22 am

    par far wrote:There was no reason to hold this clown for 1 month, just questioning him for 3 days and releasing would have made him irrelevant.

    I still think that the reason for detaining him for a month was to get people to streets to see who would come, so authorities and intelligence agencies could keep tabs on those people that came.

    They should negotiate with another country and have him take citizenship in that country. And never allow him into Russia or the CIS again. Serbia or something. It would have to be a country where Putin has good personal relations with. Turkey probably wouldn't want him because he's CIA. But maybe for the right price. Navalny couldn't cook anything up in Turkey.
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    Post  Backman Mon Jan 25, 2021 5:33 am

    The CIA has the same operation going in Thailand. See if this sounds familiar. Same NED funding, pumping social media and all the rest of it. This is clearly a US sponsored attack on Russia. And Russia better do something about it.

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    Post  Backman Mon Jan 25, 2021 6:40 am

    Clip from Anatoly Karlins latest https://www.unz.com/akarlin/kremlins-not-falling/

    You cannot expect very high turnout in the context of Putin having an approval rating of 65%, and where only 15% of the population believes Navalny’s version of his poisoning. This is cardinally different from Belarus, which many people are now comparing Russia to. Although Belarus doesn’t allow opinion polls, there is convincing evidence that the elections were massively fraudulent, with Lukashenko getting no more than 35% of the vote. So of course this was a much greater impetus to large-scale protests.

    Again, at least 100,000 turned up in Minsk, or 5% of its population. Half a million turned up in Kiev, or almost 20% of its population. Meanwhile, just 0.25% of Moscow turned up. These are not color revolution numbers

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    Post  kvs Mon Jan 25, 2021 7:16 am

    I recommend that people read the linked article above. Karlin cannot be accused of being a Putin fanboi and his take on the
    "fraud" that was being pimped by the organizers of the Bolotnaya protests was lame. Looking at deviations from Gaussians
    is shallow analysis. Since humans are not ideal gas particles that Boltzmann populate their energy states, there is always
    going to be some skew with "abnormal" tails in the voting distribution. Not every district in a large city will vote with the
    same percentages for the options on the ballot. So exit polls which cannot physically track every district are going to deviate
    from the final numbers. The important thing is that during those elections there was none of the cheesy 4 am flipping
    of the vote standing that we saw in key US states. While Russia is subjected to hair splitting speculation about supposed
    fraud that can't even stand on its own two feet, the brazen fraud in the USA where the ridiculous mail in ballots were used
    as a type of ballot stuffing is ignored. Why would mail in ballots be counted last?

    The fraud in the 2020 is obvious because even if mail in ballots were to shift the final split between Trump and Biden,
    they could not do so in a 100 vs 0 percent manner. There is no reason for Biden supporters to vote via mail in ballots
    and for Trump supporters not to use this voting option at all. There is really not that sort of split in social standing
    or jobs and education between these voting blocks in any urban district. This is not a case of urban vs. rural or
    even state vs. state. In any case, the opinion polls are clear and show that US presidential candidates
    have closer to 50/50 support instead of 100/0 support. So those 4 am step-function shifts in the ballot counts
    that went exclusively against Trump are pure ballot stuffing.

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    Post  magnumcromagnon Mon Jan 25, 2021 3:07 pm

    kvs wrote:I recommend that people read the linked article above.   Karlin cannot be accused of being a Putin fanboi and his take on the
    "fraud" that was being pimped by the organizers of the Bolotnaya protests was lame.   Looking at deviations from Gaussians
    is shallow analysis.   Since humans are not ideal gas particles that Boltzmann populate their energy states, there is always
    going to be some skew with "abnormal" tails in the voting distribution.   Not every district in a large city will vote with the
    same percentages for the options on the ballot.   So exit polls which cannot physically track every district are going to deviate
    from the final numbers.   The important thing is that during those elections there was none of the cheesy 4 am flipping
    of the vote standing that we saw in key US states.   While Russia is subjected to hair splitting speculation about supposed
    fraud that can't even stand on its own two feet, the brazen fraud in the USA where the ridiculous mail in ballots were used
    as a type of ballot stuffing is ignored.   Why would mail in ballots be counted last?  

    The fraud in the 2020 is obvious because even if mail in ballots were to shift the final split between Trump and Biden,
    they could not do so in a 100 vs 0 percent manner.   There is no reason for Biden supporters to vote via mail in ballots
    and for Trump supporters not to use this voting option at all.   There is really not that sort of split in social standing
    or jobs and education between these voting blocks in any urban district.   This is not a case of urban vs. rural or
    even state vs. state.   In any case, the opinion polls are clear and show that US presidential candidates
    have closer to 50/50 support instead of 100/0 support.   So those 4 am step-function shifts in the ballot counts
    that went exclusively against Trump are pure ballot stuffing.  


    I always found it strange that Bidet got 100% of the mail in ballots, like him or not Trump was right to be suspicious of the potential mail in ballots manipulation.....I mean really, 100% of them went to Bidet, they're not even trying lmao!!! lol1 clown

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    Post  Backman Mon Jan 25, 2021 5:08 pm

    Karlin is another example of someone having a love/hate relationship with Putin primarily because Putin is too liberal.

    A Ukrainian columnist with cred in Kiev also wrote a piece recently telling people not to support Navalny. Because Navalny would be worse for Ukraine than Putin.
    It is highly unlikely that whoever replaces Putin in the future , will be more liberal or accomodating with the west than Putin.

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    Post  kvs Mon Jan 25, 2021 5:18 pm

    Backman wrote:Karlin is another example of someone having a love/hate relationship with Putin primarily because Putin is too liberal.

    A Ukrainian columnist with cred in Kiev also wrote a piece recently telling people not to support Navalny. Because Navalny would be worse for Ukraine than Putin.
    It is highly unlikely that whoever replaces Putin in the future , will be more liberal or accomodating with the west than Putin.

    Looks like some of them realize that this is a serious risk from all the regime change shenanigans. But the objective
    of regime change in Russia is to destroy it. The west wants Russia to start from scratch again and waste decades
    recovering. In the process maybe they will get lucky and a real comprador oligarch takeover will happen like in Ukraine.
    But this sort of assault is hardly going to promote west-loving liberoids into power. There may actually be a new Stalin
    who will use much more Draconian methods to fix things.

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    Post  miketheterrible Mon Jan 25, 2021 5:27 pm

    kvs wrote:
    Backman wrote:Karlin is another example of someone having a love/hate relationship with Putin primarily because Putin is too liberal.

    A Ukrainian columnist with cred in Kiev also wrote a piece recently telling people not to support Navalny. Because Navalny would be worse for Ukraine than Putin.
    It is highly unlikely that whoever replaces Putin in the future , will be more liberal or accomodating with the west than Putin.

    Looks like some of them realize that this is a serious risk from all the regime change shenanigans.   But the objective
    of regime change in Russia is to destroy it.   The west wants Russia to start from scratch again and waste decades
    recovering.   In the process maybe they will get lucky and a real comprador oligarch takeover will happen like in Ukraine.
    But this sort of assault is hardly going to promote west-loving liberoids into power.   There may actually be a new Stalin
    who will use much more Draconian methods to fix things.  

    A lot of actual experts on Russia have been saying this for a while - whoever will replace Putin will be worst for US. And that their demonization of Russia and constantly poking their nose in Russia's affairs is just building up an Anti US mentality in the future leadership of the nation.

    Most proper criticism against Putin is how soft he is against the US and to the enemies of the state. It is also my criticism too.

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    Post  kvs Mon Jan 25, 2021 5:38 pm

    Given all the options, I will choose Putin and his "softness".   Some gulag operator is not a good thing for Russia and
    in fact the coy and an weak pose that Russia took after 1999 until the last few years managed to hoodwink NATzO
    into thinking Russia was not capable of an economic and military recovery.   This has delivered gold by the ton.   Now
    NATzO is scrambling when it is already too late.

    As long as Putin keeps Russia on the growth and military power accretion trajectory that it has been on thanks to him,
    he is doing a good job.   I would like some harder responses to NATzO aggression, but I do not have the vantage
    point he does and am just an arm chair warrior.

    As noted by Karlin, the restraint showed by Russian cops with Navanly's lemmings is a good move.   Bootstrapping
    strife requires "crackdown" responses from the authorities.   That is why the fake stream media is throwing around
    the word crackdown.   But just claiming a crackdown was carried out is not good enough.  It actually has to happen.

    So we see why Navalny is coddled by the Russian state.   He is a pet ant in a terrarium and his lemmings are irrelevant.
    Instead of bootstrapping a revolution, NATzO is accelerating the evapouration of any support it had left over from before
    1990.   As well as support from the new generation after 1990.   There are videos on Youtube that point to the rent-a-crowd
    teenagers grifting the grifter.   Navalny's "movement" is degenerating into a farce.

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    Post  par far Mon Jan 25, 2021 6:37 pm

    Backman wrote:The CIA has the same operation going in Thailand. See if this sounds familiar. Same NED funding, pumping social media and all the rest of it. This is clearly a US sponsored attack on Russia. And Russia better do something about it.



    I think what Russia is doing here is counter intelligence, the intelligence agencies want to know who will come out of the wood shed, so they can ban the rouge people.

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    Post  Backman Mon Jan 25, 2021 6:52 pm

    I totally agree KVS. Some candidate that the right wingers like Karlin would want , would present a whole other set of problems for Russia. Putin straddles the right and the left perfectly.

    Some Russian Bolsenaro or Russian Duterte would be a disaster.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Mon Jan 25, 2021 8:56 pm

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJCPauM1aSY

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPA8nJm9574

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIDOog7bPno

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdyRy5it6xs

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHMXkAB9YXI

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmZLgpsP1RM

    I'll get worse before it gets better.
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    Post  Big_Gazza Tue Jan 26, 2021 1:11 am

    Tsavo Lion wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJCPauM1aSY

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPA8nJm9574

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIDOog7bPno  

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdyRy5it6xs  

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHMXkAB9YXI  

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmZLgpsP1RM

    I'll get worse before it gets better.

    Every nation on the planet has its 5% of fucking idiots who dwell in the far ends of the bell curves. Russia is no exception in this regard, but unlike the US and its assorted satrapies in the West, the fuktardz don't have a path to power.

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    Post  Backman Tue Jan 26, 2021 1:33 am

    Tsavo Lion wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJCPauM1aSY



    I'll get worse before it gets better.

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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic Tue Jan 26, 2021 12:47 pm

    Actually allowing navalny & co supporters to come out is useful because it allows FSB and other agencies to track them and if they violate states laws it allows the state to ban them from taking public offices.

    Furthermore, it can be seen as a sort of relief valve. Completely suppress the liberal opposition would cause probably more problems.

    Anyway, Russia's situation with protests is way better than what happens to france every weekend.

    The only country I can remember where there are no oppositions or protests is North Korea, but I definitely would not like Russia to move in that way (while America is probably going in that direction)

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    Post  miketheterrible Tue Jan 26, 2021 4:32 pm

    https://www.stalkerzone.org/what-the-navalny-headquarters-are-silent-about/

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    Post  kvs Tue Jan 26, 2021 5:07 pm



    So a bust of a Nazi supporter was erected on the campus of the Sankt Petersburg University in 2008 which the authorities want
    removed. This demonstrates that there is a real 5th column in Russia that has penetrated every crack. The bust was
    given by the government of Bashkortostan. So we see the same BS as in the other limitrophes where Nazis are laundered
    into national heroes. Interesting, why all these toilets can't find heroes who are not Nazis. Either there are none or they
    are deliberately pissing on Russians. Of course Radio Liberty is supporting the Bashirian nationalists in their fight for "freedom".



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    Post  par far Tue Jan 26, 2021 5:24 pm

    Rodion_Romanovic wrote:Actually allowing navalny & co supporters to come out is useful because it allows FSB and other agencies to track them and if they violate states laws it allows the state to ban them from taking public offices.

    Furthermore, it can be seen as a sort of relief valve. Completely suppress the liberal opposition would cause probably more problems.

    Anyway, Russia's situation with protests is way better than  what happens to france every weekend.

    The only country I can remember where there are no oppositions or protests is North Korea, but I definitely would not like Russia to move in that way (while America is probably going in that direction)


    I also think that is a FSB operation, by allowing these idiots to come in the open, it allows the intelligence agencies to see what they are doing and where the support is coming from.

    The intelligence agencies probably knew there would be some sort of protests if they went with the actions that were taken but the authorities still took those actions.

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    Post  miketheterrible Tue Jan 26, 2021 5:26 pm

    Who is the nazi bust?

    And why don't the authorities just remove it as it's illegal to promote nazis in Russia.
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    Post  kvs Tue Jan 26, 2021 5:43 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:Who is the nazi bust?

    And why don't the authorities just remove it as it's illegal to promote nazis in Russia.

    It is some pan-Turkist Bashkirian nationalist (nazionalist), Akhmet-Zaki Validi Tugan, who was
    a Turkology academic who openly promoted Hitler's ideas of racial supremacy, etc.   Bashkiria's
    local government is riven with nazionalist maggots who have already engaged in anti-Russian
    discrimination.

    I guess the university accepted the bust because nobody bothered to check up on this
    loser and they assumed he was dear to the hearts of Bashkirians so it would have been
    offensive to reject the gift.   After 12 years people have clued in.   It is actually a good
    sign since it was grass roots protest that triggered the authorities into action.

    Maybe Bashkiria needs to taste freedom and fend for itself.   These narcissist chihuahua
    ingrates are getting tiresome.
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    Post  miketheterrible Tue Jan 26, 2021 6:00 pm

    Interesting, the region consists of more Russians than Bashkirs.

    Anyway, read this

    https://twitter.com/sashakots/status/1353999435685130241?s=20

    So a new telegram channel opens up, copy and pasting instructions (forgetting to modify) from Belarus equivalent to Russian. Doxxing police officers and the like

    I wonder, I though Telegram had their shit reeled in by Russian authorities? Isn't this technically illegal?

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    Post  PhSt Tue Jan 26, 2021 6:16 pm

    As I have inquired in another thread, the recent Russian sovereign internet law is supposed to deal with this kind of NATzO information space warfare. Why is this not being put into action?

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