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    Post  kvs Tue May 21, 2019 3:00 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:I notice dimmi at military Russia.ru is a fan of Zelensky and Navalny. Someone I follow got blocked by him when called out on it

    Lots of anti-Russian poser slime out there.

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    Post  miketheterrible Tue May 21, 2019 3:01 pm

    kvs wrote:
    miketheterrible wrote:I notice dimmi at military Russia.ru is a fan of Zelensky and Navalny. Someone I follow got blocked by him when called out on it

    Lots of anti-Russian poser slime out there.


    So I was wrong, it wasn't Dimmi. It's the owner of the site militaryrussia.ru Kornev.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Tue May 21, 2019 4:44 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:
    kvs wrote:
    miketheterrible wrote:I notice dimmi at military Russia.ru is a fan of Zelensky and Navalny. Someone I follow got blocked by him when called out on it

    Lots of anti-Russian poser slime out there.


    So I was wrong, it wasn't Dimmi. It's the owner of the site militaryrussia.ru Kornev.

    I found it strange how on that site they (the admins) claimed that the INF Treaty ending was a great disadvantage for RU MOD, only to be refuted a week later by an absolute jewel of a rare interview by Yuri Solomonov, probably the foremost expert on hypersonic weaponry. So who (the admins of militaryrussia) do they think the people will believe, the random bloggers on their boutique forum, or the lead designer of Avantgarde lol?
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    Post  miketheterrible Tue May 21, 2019 5:30 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    miketheterrible wrote:
    kvs wrote:
    miketheterrible wrote:I notice dimmi at military Russia.ru is a fan of Zelensky and Navalny. Someone I follow got blocked by him when called out on it

    Lots of anti-Russian poser slime out there.


    So I was wrong, it wasn't Dimmi. It's the owner of the site militaryrussia.ru Kornev.

    I found it strange how on that site they (the admins) claimed that the INF Treaty ending was a great disadvantage for RU MOD, only to be refuted a week later by an absolute jewel of a rare interview by Yuri Solomonov, probably the foremost expert on hypersonic weaponry. So who (the admins of militaryrussia) do they think the people will believe, the random bloggers on their boutique forum, or the lead designer of Avantgarde lol?

    Can you provide that interview please? For my sake at least.

    As well, the issue is blogs are becoming rather very important in day to day activities in Russia. Bloggers are now able to obtain monetary gain but have to provide their real info. They get invited to key events, etc. A recent article was presented by Tass that 20% increase in finances was directed to NGO's in Russia from abroad and that they were having a meeting about it today in Duma regarding the foreign agents law (they want to tighten it further since there seems to be a continuous flow of money from abroad). I would not be surprised if such blogs are funded by such people.
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    Post  Arrow Tue May 21, 2019 5:55 pm

    I notice dimmi at military Russia.ru is a fan of Zelensky and Navalny wrote:


    Shocked really? He creates an interesting blog with a lot of information about Russian weapons.
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    Post  kvs Tue May 21, 2019 6:00 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:
    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    miketheterrible wrote:
    kvs wrote:
    miketheterrible wrote:I notice dimmi at military Russia.ru is a fan of Zelensky and Navalny. Someone I follow got blocked by him when called out on it

    Lots of anti-Russian poser slime out there.


    So I was wrong, it wasn't Dimmi. It's the owner of the site militaryrussia.ru Kornev.

    I found it strange how on that site they (the admins) claimed that the INF Treaty ending was a great disadvantage for RU MOD, only to be refuted a week later by an absolute jewel of a rare interview by Yuri Solomonov, probably the foremost expert on hypersonic weaponry. So who (the admins of militaryrussia) do they think the people will believe, the random bloggers on their boutique forum, or the lead designer of Avantgarde lol?

    Can you provide that interview please? For my sake at least.

    As well, the issue is blogs are becoming rather very important in day to day activities in Russia. Bloggers are now able to obtain monetary gain but have to provide their real info. They get invited to key events, etc. A recent article was presented by Tass that 20% increase in finances was directed to NGO's in Russia from abroad and that they were having a meeting about it today in Duma regarding the foreign agents law (they want to tighten it further since there seems to be a continuous flow of money from abroad). I would not be surprised if such blogs are funded by such people.

    Indeed. This is a prime example of soft power. Social media and bloggers are propaganda and culture distortion tools. Bloggers
    spread all sorts of BS and twist facts. Social media generates mobs that shame and attack any dissident.

    Here is an article relevant to this topic:

    https://russia-insider.com/en/media-criticism/what-ever-happened-anti-war-liberals-crushed-mass-media-information-mafia/ri27080
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    Post  miketheterrible Tue May 21, 2019 6:05 pm

    Yes Arrow, Dimmitry is a 5th column.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Tue May 21, 2019 6:45 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:
    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    miketheterrible wrote:
    kvs wrote:
    miketheterrible wrote:I notice dimmi at military Russia.ru is a fan of Zelensky and Navalny. Someone I follow got blocked by him when called out on it

    Lots of anti-Russian poser slime out there.


    So I was wrong, it wasn't Dimmi. It's the owner of the site militaryrussia.ru Kornev.

    I found it strange how on that site they (the admins) claimed that the INF Treaty ending was a great disadvantage for RU MOD, only to be refuted a week later by an absolute jewel of a rare interview by Yuri Solomonov, probably the foremost expert on hypersonic weaponry. So who (the admins of militaryrussia) do they think the people will believe, the random bloggers on their boutique forum, or the lead designer of Avantgarde lol?

    Can you provide that interview please?  For my sake at least.

    As well, the issue is blogs are becoming rather very important in day to day activities in Russia.  Bloggers are now able to obtain monetary gain but have to provide their real info.  They get invited to key events, etc.  A recent article was presented by Tass that 20% increase in finances was directed to NGO's in Russia from abroad and that they were having a meeting about it today in Duma regarding the foreign agents law (they want to tighten it further since there seems to be a continuous flow of money from abroad).  I would not be surprised if such blogs are funded by such people.

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    Post  GarryB Wed May 22, 2019 5:19 am

    Yes Arrow, Dimmitry is a 5th column.

    Well if Arrow likes the site then it must be a 5th column... no question about it.

    And foreign funding is a great thing because the Russian government can track who gets funding and shut them down for being a foreign agent... like the US did with Butina... except instead of turning a pro American Russian into a hater of US politics, they will be eliminating anti Russian bloggers in their country... cut off their information... they will keep tweeting but without real information about new stuff people who are interested in the stuff but only find blogs with these dicks posting their anti russian shit will start to look elsewhere.

    What they also need to do is invite pro russian bloggers to events and let them hear leaks that are officially sanctioned so westerners like me who are interested in Russian stuff but not interested in the anti russian western BS can read stuff that is interesting and useful, without the anti putin anti russia BS attached.
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    Post  kvs Wed May 22, 2019 4:57 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    miketheterrible wrote:
    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    miketheterrible wrote:
    kvs wrote:
    miketheterrible wrote:I notice dimmi at military Russia.ru is a fan of Zelensky and Navalny. Someone I follow got blocked by him when called out on it

    Lots of anti-Russian poser slime out there.


    So I was wrong, it wasn't Dimmi. It's the owner of the site militaryrussia.ru Kornev.

    I found it strange how on that site they (the admins) claimed that the INF Treaty ending was a great disadvantage for RU MOD, only to be refuted a week later by an absolute jewel of a rare interview by Yuri Solomonov, probably the foremost expert on hypersonic weaponry. So who (the admins of militaryrussia) do they think the people will believe, the random bloggers on their boutique forum, or the lead designer of Avantgarde lol?

    Can you provide that interview please?  For my sake at least.

    As well, the issue is blogs are becoming rather very important in day to day activities in Russia.  Bloggers are now able to obtain monetary gain but have to provide their real info.  They get invited to key events, etc.  A recent article was presented by Tass that 20% increase in finances was directed to NGO's in Russia from abroad and that they were having a meeting about it today in Duma regarding the foreign agents law (they want to tighten it further since there seems to be a continuous flow of money from abroad).  I would not be surprised if such blogs are funded by such people.


    Solomonov may be a great rocket engineer, but he should stay away from moronic claims about how a few hundred megaton class ballistic missiles would
    destroy the planet and civilization. This is an utterly inane claim. Those 600 hundred megaton warheads don't even have the energy of a mesoscale convective
    complex. Their "global destruction" would have to come from fires that were ignited in the wake of their detonation. The notion that these fires would
    even lead to "nuclear winter" is BS.

    Pinatubo managed to produce a 2 year global anomaly thanks to its injection of 10 million tons of SO2 into the upper startosphere. There is no wet scavenging
    in the stratosphere since it is bone dry (3-6 ppmv H2O) without any rain or snow. Even so, the sulfate that formed from the SO2 and partially blocked out sunlight
    did not persist for more than two years. Surface fires will inject black carbon and organic and inorganic compounds that form aerosols and can temporarily block
    out a fraction of the sunlight reaching the surface. But these aerosols cannot last for years or even most of a year in the troposphere since they will be wet
    scavenged by rain and ice meteor formation from the clouds that form from the activation of those same aerosols (clouds do not form from homogeneous nucleation).
    There is a vast amount of biomass burning on this planet but there is zero evidence of any "nuclear winter" since the whole concept is absurd.

    This moronic nuclear winter myth is clearly affecting decision makers as evidenced by Solomonov's comments. So it is clear that it is a propaganda parasite
    implanted to paralyze rational decision making. Disarmament is predicated on this pernicious myth.
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    Post  miketheterrible Wed May 22, 2019 5:19 pm

    Don't worry. Russia like USA has supercomputers to calculate damage and what not of each weapon system. So they base their needs upon what their tests state.
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    Post  kvs Wed May 22, 2019 5:50 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:Don't worry.  Russia like USA has supercomputers to calculate damage and what not of each weapon system.  So they base their needs upon what their tests state.

    My point is that MAD is effective and the best anti-war "device" ever. To have MAD you need an excess of nuclear weapons and not "just the right amount".
    You can see how cocky Uncle Scumbag got with his ABM delusion as the number of Russian warheads went down. If Uncle Scumbag was facing 1980s levels
    of warheads he would be peeing his bed and not claiming he could take Russia out with a pre-emptive strike and "stealthy" B-2s (cf The Diplomat magazine).
    Solomonov and anyone else who yaps about "destroying the world several times over" is an ignoramus.

    BTW, since I do HPC atmospheric chemistry and dynamics simulations for a living, I know the limitations of models. Estimating the impact of
    nuclear weapons on the environment is challenging since predicting the extent of fires and the associated spectrum of aerosol precursor emissions
    is hard/impossible. Not all cities will burn to the ground after being nuked. Not every forest in the vicinity will ignite and burn. It all depends on the
    relative humidity and the location of petrochemical facilities, oil depots, and any other points of ignition. Panchevo was bombed by NATO in 1999 and
    burned, but no fire spread to Belgrade. So fire spreading is a critical parameter. An air burst does mostly mechanical damage in spite of the intense
    radiation spike (that burns the skin badly). This radiation spike is too short lived to really ignite wood and plastics but long enough to damage the skin.
    So I highly doubt that top level policy people are even requesting such simulations. They just lap up the BS about nuclear winter as clearly is the
    case with Solomonov.
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    Post  GarryB Thu May 23, 2019 4:13 am

    Maybe they need to go back to looking at neutron bombs and high radiation weapons that will really permanently damage environments to assure MAD.


    The most dangerous thing on the planet is not Russia or China or even Iran with thousands of nuclear weapons and the means to deliver them... the most dangerous thing is the US thinking it can not only survive, but actually win a nuclear war.
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    Post  GarryB Thu May 23, 2019 4:16 am

    BTW just a reminder.... if you click on quote in someones post to reply to what they have posted please take the time to prune out all the unrelated stuff before clicking on send to post it...

    It makes it clearer regarding what you are talking about specificially, but it also prevents large conversations being repeated over and over to no practical value.

    If you don't understand or need help or further instruction please PM me and I can explain further if necessary.

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    Post  miketheterrible Mon Jul 08, 2019 12:52 pm

    Russians love to complain.

    So I noticed on Twitter that so many of them are bitching about all the liberal hamsters as they call them, insulting the dead sailors (some news writer for echo of moskow glorified their deaths) and some shithead running in politics in Moscow pretty much trashing the whole Russian army during WW2. Anyway, they complain and ask "why isn't authorities doing anything?"

    There is a reason why the liberals will win. They do what they want and the rest of the public is so fucking lazy they complain on Twitter but does absolutely nothing outside.

    Why don't they go protest? They don't.

    You see, you have to hand it to Muslims. They don't take shit even if their belief may not be correct. They at least stand up for what they believe in. Russians are just annoying and after Putin is gone, that country will be Ukraine 2.0
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    Post  kvs Mon Jul 08, 2019 3:51 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:Russians love to complain.

    So I noticed on Twitter that so many of them are bitching about all the liberal hamsters as they call them, insulting the dead sailors (some news writer for echo of moskow glorified their deaths) and some shithead running in politics in Moscow pretty much trashing the whole Russian army during WW2. Anyway, they complain and ask "why isn't authorities doing anything?"

    There is a reason why the liberals will win. They do what they want and the rest of the public is so fucking lazy they complain on Twitter but does absolutely nothing outside.

    Why don't they go protest? They don't.

    You see, you have to hand it to Muslims. They don't take shit even if their belief may not be correct. They at least stand up for what they believe in. Russians are just annoying and after Putin is gone, that country will be Ukraine 2.0

    You are using a poor metric. By the same token the current SJW mobs in the USA and the west are also "lazy and doing nothing". They
    love to complain on Twitter too. How do you propose that the complainers "demonstrate"? Do they lay siege to the offices and homes of
    the kreakls? Maybe Russians should just kill them on the spot for daring to have the wrong opinions?

    You miss the most important detail. All these complainers tell us that the vast Russian majority will never vote for Navalny and any
    other NATO stooge candidates. So the only way the liberasts will win is via some coup. Do you seriously see a chance for a coup in
    Russia today? From who? The army? Academia? No freaking way. Russia has had a national consensus on the political front for almost
    20 years. No amount of effort by NATO to stir discontent and to break this consensus has succeeded.

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    Post  miketheterrible Mon Jul 08, 2019 4:06 pm

    You make a point but the number of these hamsters as they say are growing rather fast.

    There seems to be a general theme though. Navalny people (Sobol as example) are growing in numbers as candidates to run for Moscow city Duma. Which I find interesting. Where are they getting their money from? It's obvious from the west, but that in itself is illegal. Thus they would instantly be thrown out. But they aren't.  So rule of law isn't being enforced.

    What it looks like is Navalny is trying to flood the city Duma elections with various of his own candidates. I don't think that's allowed.
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    Post  GarryB Mon Jul 08, 2019 5:04 pm

    Well for the next round of sanctions they have some fairly obvious choices.... they can target the people and organisations funding the opposition in Russia... a combination of seizing the funds and putting them to work for the Russian people and also cutting ties and relations with people and organisations trying to sabotage democracy in Russia will be deliciously fun for them to do rather publicly... a nice expose of the people at both ends of these strings being used to destroy Russia from within would be amusing.
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    Post  AlfaT8 Mon Jul 08, 2019 9:54 pm

    I'll be frank.
    Destroying Russia isn't too difficult.

    One way is with Immigration, but it's very long term.

    All you need to do is convince "1" administration to implement something like a "Hard Seller Act", and wait.
    The trick is to have enough immigrants flood Russia and to become "their" representatives, and slowly yet surely you will rise to power and take over the nation, and this will send the displaced locals against you, which will divide the nation and eventually lead to major conflict.

    Another way is to crash the nation Economically, this would be even simpler and more short term.

    All you need to do is offer Free-Stuff (Welfare).
    Basically you hook the people up on Welfare and make that the determining factor for an election victory, in short, bribe the entire nation.
    This will then cause massive Debt-Spiral that cannot be stopped.
    Because all those in power swore to give more Welfare.

    Another way is through Subverting Russian Culture and Morals.

    We already know this one, simply put, it's the rise of a Russian Proggressivism (Utopian Cultural Socialism).

    Luckily, the Russian Orthodoxy is still very strong in Russia as well as Patriotism still being strong as well.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Mon Jul 08, 2019 10:59 pm

    AlfaT8 wrote:I'll be frank.
    Destroying Russia isn't too difficult.

    Put the crack pipe down...If it wasn't so difficult it would of happened during Operation Barbarossa, but didn't.
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    Post  kvs Tue Jul 09, 2019 12:44 am

    BTW, the story being missed is how social media has utterly failed to undermine Russia. Russians were supposed to lap up western
    excrement with relish on Facebook, Twitter, etc. But instead of joining the circle jerk club, they have instead created their own
    pro-Russian mind-space. This is an epic failure for NATO. It means any regime agenda it had is dead, dead, dead. The Russian
    youth is not drinking NATO propaganda koolaid. The reason is that NATO propaganda against Russia is a wad of cheesball lies
    that insult the intelligence of Russian citizens. Back during the USSR period, NATO propaganda had a hook in that the USSR
    was a dictatorship and a sub-optimal regime for Russia. But the USSR is dead and any propaganda that tries to pretend it is
    not, which is what NATO propaganda is doing all the time, is doomed to failure.
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    Post  GarryB Tue Jul 09, 2019 4:16 am

    I'll be frank.
    Destroying Russia isn't too difficult.

    Yeah the west has this enormous propaganda machine, but it is no where near as efficient and effective as they like to make out it to be.

    Destroying the west is even easier... that soldier that follows Putin around carrying that briefcase... open it and push a few buttons and done.
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    Post  AlfaT8 Tue Jul 09, 2019 5:29 am

    Ok, let me clarify
    Destroying Russia "from within" isn't too difficult.
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    Post  GarryB Tue Jul 09, 2019 6:59 am

    Well before he tried from the outside Russia was weak and all he had to do was kick the door in and the whole place would collapse... like France, like Belgium, like most other european countries Germany actually invaded...

    Of course saying is not the same as actually doing... there is rather more economic disparity and racial problems in the US... it wouldn't take too much to stir things up there either

    I remember in the 1990s talking with American teenagers on the internet and they went on about how easy less civilised countries were to break... they thought people in foreign countries were just animals waiting to behave like animals as soon as the rule of law was interrupted... of course that was before the Rodney King beatings and several other riots in several places in the US... the reason countries bother with laws and law enforcers of all types is because people can't manage it on their own... I mean professional soccer players are well aware of all the rules yet their games require match officials or nothing would happen.

    America and the west are no different except that being much further from nature most westerners wouldn't know what to do when the rubbish man stops collecting their rubbish, let alone where the nearest safe water supply is to where they live...

    When New Orleans flooded a short while back people sat on freeways a few hundred metres from stadiums set up as help centres... they couldn't make 100 metres through the water to get there... in some poor African country some guy carries his mother through a mountain range to get help for her...

    Comfort has made western people fat and lazy.
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    Post  Hole Tue Jul 09, 2019 10:20 am

    No need to stir something up in murika. What is happening there would be called civil war in an african or asian country.

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