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    Post  TR1 Fri Aug 23, 2013 10:13 pm

    Viktor wrote:A thought that crossed my mind.

    2011 - 31 new planes was made for Russian Army
    2012 - 42 new planes will be made for Russian Army
    2013 - 66 new planes will be made for Russian Army
    2014 - 100 planed
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    I don't really see how these numbers will be achieved, unless you include helos, in which case it becomes more than 100.
    Even if we include transport birds, and government transports...
    I mean this year we have around 40 Flankers + 18 Yak-130 = 58 jets.
    The Flanker number won't increase by much in 2014, probably similar, possible ~50. Add to that the Yak-130s, couple of Il-76MD, several small transports here and there...I am not seeing 100.
    I am not including MiG-29K in any of this because they are Navy, but in any case that's not many birds in 2014.
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    Post  TR1 Fri Aug 23, 2013 10:16 pm

    Firebird wrote:
    So if we're starting to see older jets retired in large numbers, we could still see the potential shrinkage that is discussed above.
    Nothing potential about it- there is, and will be further shrinkage. Even with upgrades and new birds, there is no chance for a 1-1 replacement or similar for the vast fleet of legacy birds.
    That is ok though, replacement 4th gen numbers are big enough to hold over till 5th gen platforms arrive.
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    Post  flamming_python Sat Aug 24, 2013 8:08 am

    TR1 wrote:It had little to do with difficulties, but there was no international civilian certification process for the fly-by-wire version.
    yes you read that right, it is too advanced too certify lol.
    I don't see why the MOD will stop purchasing the military version.
    www.armstrade.org/includes/periodics/news/2013/0522/103018531/detail.shtml

    Although then Russian Helicopters denied that any official complaints have been made
    http://vpk-news.ru/news/16043
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    Post  TR1 Sat Aug 24, 2013 8:19 am

    Izvestya?

    Come on man Wink
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    Post  Viktor Sat Aug 24, 2013 3:17 pm

    TR1 wrote:
    Viktor wrote:A thought that crossed my mind.

    2011 - 31 new planes was made for Russian Army
    2012 - 42 new planes will be made for Russian Army
    2013 - 66 new planes will be made for Russian Army
    2014 - 100 planed
    --------------------------------------------------
    I don't really see how these numbers will be achieved, unless you include helos, in which case it becomes more than 100.
    Even if we include transport birds, and government transports...
    I mean this year we have around 40 Flankers + 18 Yak-130 = 58 jets.
    The Flanker number won't increase by much in 2014, probably similar, possible ~50. Add to that the Yak-130s, couple of Il-76MD, several small transports here and there...I am not seeing 100.
    I am not including MiG-29K in any of this because they are Navy, but in any case that's not many birds in 2014.
    Well Pogosyan mentioned 100 planes in 2014. Beseides those you mentioned we must count on and:

    - MIG-29K (Pogosyan will count them if you wont Very Happy )
    - Su-30M2
    - MIG-29SMT

    and you could have 20-30 more of those in 2014 and there you go 100.
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    Post  Viktor Sat Aug 24, 2013 3:35 pm

    LOL Shocked  Very Happy 


    MiG-35 Deal ‘On Track’ - Minister

    MOSCOW, August 24 (RIA Novosti) - Russia’s Defense Ministry is not abandoning the purchase of MiG-35 fighter jets and could sign a deal next week, Trade and Industry Minister Denis Manturov said Saturday.
    The contract could be signed at Moscow’s MAKS International Aviation and Space show, which will run from August 27 through September 1, while first deliveries could start in 2015-2016, he said.
    Deputy Defense Minister Yury Borisov said Tuesday the ministry had postponed the purchase of 37 MiG-35’s until 2016 because the defense industry cannot fulfill the contract, and would buy 16 MiG-29SMT fighter jets instead.
    The ministry was due to sign a 37 billion rubles ($1.1 billion) deal with MiG in June, but last month the aircraft corporation's CEO Sergei Korotkov told RIA Novosti the contract had still not been signed.
    The Mikoyan MiG-35 (Fulcrum-F) is a 4++ generation fighter jet and a modification of the MiG-29M. It is equipped with air-to-air and air-to-surface guided missiles, as well as the Zhuk-A radar system.


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    Post  flamming_python Sat Aug 24, 2013 4:53 pm

    TR1 wrote:Izvestya?

    Come on man Wink
    lol didn't notice, what a relief

    Izvestia makes up any old bollocks
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    Post  Viktor Sat Aug 24, 2013 8:52 pm

    Well lots of interesting links.

    At MAKS-2013 for the first time introduce AESA NIIP X-band side-scan for the PAK FA

    According to the results of flight tests of the Su-30cm with RCS "Bars-R" Russian Air Force gave a preliminary conclusion


    AFAR L - range is designed for use in modern airborne radar system. Placed thrust wing leading edge plane. Provides electronic beam scanning over a wide angular sector in azimuth and wide bandwidth.

    AESA L -band is made ​​on the basis of modern hybrid-integrated home technologies and can serve as the basis for creating AFAR with one-dimensional and two-dimensional electronic scanning radar systems for various aircraft and land-based.

    The active phased array L-band


    The active phased array radar for airborne X - band
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    Post  Viktor Tue Aug 27, 2013 1:13 pm

    3 modernized A-50U and 2 brand new Tu-214ON by the end of year

    Defense Ministry will receive the 2013 three upgraded aircraft A-50


    Russian Defense Ministry will receive at MAKS first of two Tu-214ON

    Russia recently sold 5% stake in EADS worth 2.5 bin $ and now this. Maintenance contract for aircraft fleet support for 3 years.

    KLA and the Ministry of Defence signed a contract of 80 billion rubles РИА Новости http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20130827/958941807.html#ixzz2dB2Mr1Og
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    Post  Viktor Wed Aug 28, 2013 2:34 pm

    New ECM for Su-30SM called Hibiny-U

    A unique complex of electronic warfare will create for the Russian Air Force   РИА Новости http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20130828/959120947.html#ixzz2dGYSXvRb


    Testing of missiles on PAK-FA to start this year

    The tests missiles on board the T-50 will begin this year



    Now here is some interesting stuff. So testing of Kh-101/102 is over but what is interesting is that PAK-DA will have even air to air missiles Very Happy 





    "Some of the missiles for PAK DA (promising aviation complex long-range aircraft) are ready - first of all, the air-to-air missiles and air - surface long-range" - said Obnosov.


    РИА Новости http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20130828/959161386.html#ixzz2dGaEVnKw
    Part of missiles for PAK DA is ready



    Going hypersound. Plan is set in motion.

    "Tactical Missiles" has created a program to HYPERSOUND in Russia


    and aiming high - sustained Mach 10+ Very Happy 


    In Russia the hypersonic missile
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    Post  Viktor Thu Aug 29, 2013 2:01 pm

    Damn ....

    UAC does not plan to create a fifth-generation fighter, in addition to the T-50
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    Post  medo Thu Aug 29, 2013 4:59 pm

    Viktor wrote:Damn ....

    UAC does not plan to create a fifth-generation fighter, in addition to the T-50
    I think it is better to buy more T-50 like 500 plus 500 Su-35 and Su-30SM than loosing money and time developing another fifth gen plane.
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    Post  TR1 Thu Aug 29, 2013 9:56 pm

    I actually agree. I'd rather just see more PAKFA.

    However, there has been mention of a new tactical aircraft to replace Su-25 - so while it may not be "5th" gen like PAK-FA, it is still something.
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    Post  AlfaT8 Fri Aug 30, 2013 12:54 am

    TR1 wrote:I actually agree. I'd rather just see more PAKFA.

    However, there has been mention of a new tactical aircraft to replace Su-25 - so while it may not be "5th" gen like PAK-FA, it is still something.
    SU-25??
    I thought it was the MIG-31.Suspect 
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    Post  TR1 Fri Aug 30, 2013 1:04 am

    PAk-Sha was announced a while back.
    It won't be anything supremely revolutionary in any case.

    MiG-31 replacement is a bigger question mark IMO.
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    Post  Viktor Fri Aug 30, 2013 12:30 pm

    PAK-DA will have hypersonic weapons - thats nice and expected.

    The new strategic bomber in the Russian Federation will hypersonic weapon



    PAK-FA will enter RuAF by 2017

    Fifth-generation fighter will arrive in the Russian Air Force in 2017



    RuAF will by 40 new tankers based on Il-478

    Defense Ministry intends to buy about 40 Il-78 with new engine



    PAK-DA will replace all three types of bombers in RuAF

    PAK DA will be able to immediately replace the three types of long-range aircraft Russia



    S-500 no latter than 2018 - we will wait you Laughing 

    The latest air defense system S-500 will go to the Air Force of the Russian Federation no later than 2018



    - MIG-31 will serve in RuAF until at least 2028

    MiG-31 will serve in the Russian Air Force until at least 2028
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    Post  GarryB Fri Aug 30, 2013 12:48 pm

    I think it is better to buy more T-50 like 500 plus 500 Su-35 and Su-30SM than loosing money and time developing another fifth gen plane.
    I would like to see a light 5th gen fighter that is not as large or expensive as the T-50.

    Something that is stealthy but able to carry modest payloads internally but large payloads externally without stealth.

    The idea would be that these smaller lighter fighters can engage enemy aircraft without any disadvantage and once the enemy threat has been dealt with it can carry large external payloads to deal with ground targets.

    The replacement for the Su-25 doesn't need stealth in my opinion... armour agility and active defence measures and stand off weapons should do the job.

    A replacement for the Mig-31 makes sense too... some big supercruising aircraft similar to the Tu-22M3M would be interesting with two 5th gen engines from the PAK DA and a built in scramjet engine to allow supersonic cruising at mach 2.5 at low throttle settings would be ideal.

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    Post  Hachimoto Fri Aug 30, 2013 12:54 pm

    The next thing will be big order for Pak-FA / New Engine readiness / prepare the road for the 6Gen figther. this is somehow the fastest way to catch up the US (yes i know this is not pro to say it but let face it, it is a silent run to a new cold war Very Happy)
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    Post  Mindstorm Fri Aug 30, 2013 12:56 pm

    Viktor wrote:Damn ....

    What is "damn" Viktor about the news in question?

    Mikhail Pogosyan has simply reiterated that today, in the present SAP , no development of different fifth generation aircraft, other than PAK-FA, is foreseen.

    Where is even the news ?


    SAP 2020-2025 ?

    It is all another history............


    Present SAP 2020 : no ЛМФС

    SAP 2025 : ЛМФС


    http://www.aviaport.ru/news/2013/05/14/254804.html





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    Post  Viktor Fri Aug 30, 2013 1:17 pm

    Tnx for explanation mindstorm. I was puzzled because of clear plans to construct LMFS and its sudden dropping off.

    That fighter will already in few years have its engine, missiles, radar and electronic set ready to use Very Happy  so it would be a shame not to construct an airframe.Smile 
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    Post  TR1 Tue Sep 17, 2013 12:00 am

    http://fotografersha.livejournal.com/436952.html

    Excellent photo set.
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    Post  TR1 Wed Sep 18, 2013 5:08 am

    http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/40782/

    Russian Helicopters on track to make 321 choppers this year. Last year they sold 289.

    The best part of it is the breakdown however. The current portfolio is 870 helicopters (worth 388 billion rubles) and only 232 are export!
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    Post  Austin Wed Sep 18, 2013 8:02 am

    870 is very low if they can churn out  320 per year or may be more.

    They need to have a portofolio of like 1500 plus choppers.

    As per SAP 2020 they were support to buy 1200 choppers what happend to that ?
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    Post  eridan Wed Sep 18, 2013 9:50 am

    is there anywhere a breakdown of actual customers? For example, how many private firms in Russia have bought russian helicopters? How many state owned agencies and services (which are not under ministry of defense) have bought russian helicopters?
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    Post  GarryB Wed Sep 18, 2013 11:08 am

    As per SAP 2020 they were support to buy 1200 choppers what happend to that ?
    Isn't it obvious?
    They haven't got an order for PAK FA yet either because it is not totally ready for serial production, equally they wont have any orders for the Mi-28M either because that aircraft isn't ready either.

    The SAP 2020 expires in 2020 so you can't expect everything in SAP 2020 to be already on the order books by 2013.

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