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    Post  Viktor Thu Mar 21, 2013 3:43 am

    Austin wrote:Take Off Magazine April 2013 issue

    http://en.take-off.ru/pdf_to/to26.pdf

    Excellent Austin. Just great - so what have we here.

    1. AESA doing remarkably well at tests - 20 sorties where flown by the end of 2020 with AESA radar on board PAK-FA

    2. Indian upgrade program for Su-30MKI (I phase - Bars upgrade (longer range, higher resolution etc), II phase - AESA radar

    probably in several year by which time India will have full fleet of 272 Su-30MKI)

    3. Bars-130 is made for YAK-130

    4. Upgraded radar for MIG-31BM as well as new medium and long range missiles where tested by the end of 2012.

    5. Another confirmation about the range of Irbis-E exceeding 400km range by Tikhomirov-NIIP director "much more than 400 km!"

    6. Tu-22M3 and Tu-160 will be equipped with Irbis radar with trials beginning in 2014.

    7. PAK-FA all well there (PAK-FA-05 coming soon, closely followed by PAK-FA-06)

    8. PAK-FA-03 mainly used for testing AESA radar, PAK-FA-02 mainly used for testing in flight refuelling, "stability,

    controllability and strength within a wide subsonic and supersonic speed bracket in various configurations", high g loads,

    PAK-FA-01 for "extreme angle-of-attack and supermanoeuvrability"

    9. India will get its first PAK-FA in 2014, second in 2017 and third and final configuration in 2019 after which will start taking

    serial deliveries. Two seat version was dropped to cut expenses.



    Thats all the interesting stuff I found, feel free to add more Very Happy
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    Post  Austin Thu Mar 21, 2013 4:50 am

    Air Forces Monthly - Russian Air Force Special & Russian Exercise at Arctic

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    Post  Austin Thu Mar 21, 2013 4:50 am

    Air Forces Monthly - Russian Air Force Special & Russian Exercise at Arctic

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    Post  eridan Thu Mar 21, 2013 10:28 am

    Thank you, Austin! I was googling for this ever since I heard it was in the new AFM.
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    Post  TR1 Thu Mar 21, 2013 10:51 am

    http://aviaforum.ru/showpost.php?p=1294116&postcount=172

    Some nice photos of Hellducks @ Baltimor.
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    Post  Austin Mon Apr 01, 2013 7:34 pm

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    Post  eridan Wed Apr 03, 2013 2:06 pm

    Would anyone like to help me with this project? I would like to compose a list of active air force airfields in current Russian air force. Since it is a huge project, it would be done in stages. First stage - only combat aircraft.

    For the end result I would like to have:
    Name of the airfield and its coordinates.
    Under which aviation base unit it is organized within the air force.
    Which squadrons (at least which type of plane do they operate) are based on that airfield, and under which aviation group are those squadrons organized.
    At least some, relatively up to date photos of each type of plane stationed in that airfield.

    I understand it is a project which will always be in progress, but since I haven't found anything similar on the web which is actually kept up to date, perhaps this could be useful for new members.

    We would definitely need recent photographic proof and source for each claim on the list. I hope fellow members of this forum can help with that and little by little we can all add bits of info and make up the whole list.

    For now, let us establish which bases are actually operational and which have been closed. Google earth imagery is enough for that, IF it offers relatively recent images. Problem is, of course, what to do if there is a base that isn't shown on GE? Are there such bases? Does anyone know of some?

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    Post  TR1 Wed Apr 03, 2013 9:31 pm

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/491764.html

    Correction- 21 Ka-52s were made in 2012. 9 were made in 2011.

    18 Mi-28N were also built, along with 29 Mi-35s ( 18 export + 11 domestic).

    Pretty excellent numbers all in all, 50 new attack helos for the RuAF in 2012 alone. Confirms what we already knew, the attack helo force's future is clear and safe. At this pace the whole fleet can be renewed within several years.

    6 Ansat-U and 11 Ka-226 were also built in 2012.
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    Post  eridan Thu Apr 04, 2013 9:26 am

    So...
    There is Chkalovsk airfield. 54°46'00"N 020°23'49"E
    There are two recent images of it on GE, both from 2011, and planes parked there are moved around in the second image, so one can assume it was active in 2011. Do we know if it is still active today? (su27 and su24 are seen there)

    Kursk (Khalino?) airfield 51°45'02"N 036°17'45"E
    One image from 2011, one from 2012. Mig29 seen in different positions, still active? There is also a different image from Bing maps but I can't tell when it was taken. Actually, for most airfields there is a bing maps image available, most even look quite recent, but there is no date given so i can't use them as a valid proof.

    Monchegorsk airfield 67°59'20"N 033°01'09"E
    Two images from 2011 suggesting an active base. Su24 and mig25 or mig31 visible. Maybe a recce unit and not combat one?

    Petrozavodsk 61°53'06"N 034°09'17"E
    Two images from 2011. Active? Su27 visible.

    Voronezh 51°37'09"N 039°08'24"E
    Two images from 2011. Active? Su24, Su34 Mig25 (mig31?) visible.

    Chelyabinsk 55°15'39"N 061°17'54"E
    Two images from 2011 and one from 2012. Su24 visible. Active?

    Domna 51°54'59"N 113°07'17"E
    One image from 2011, one from 2012, one from 2013. Su25 and Mig29 visible. Active?

    Kansk 56°07'26"N 095°39'44"E
    Sadly, most recent images are from 2010, two of them. Mig31 visible. Not sure if still active. Does anyone have more recent images of activity?

    Kant 42°51'12"N 074°50'48"E
    Sadly, most recent images are from 2009, two of them. Four su25 and lots of parked, probably inactive, migs21. Bing maps image shows the same. Looks as if it may not be a home to an active combat unit. Does anyone have recent images that suggest differently?

    Perm (Bolshoye Savino) 57°54'52"N 056°01'17"E
    One image from 2011, one from 2012. Mig31 visible. Active?


    That's it for now, I'll do more later, that I know of. But please, if anyone has additional photographic proof (can be just images taken at the airfield, as long as there is a visual landmark visible so one can confirm it was taken there) or any sort of article or photograph from the Air force itself - i'd be very grateful if you posted it here.
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    Post  TR1 Thu Apr 04, 2013 7:12 pm

    I understand your desire (effort is appreciated!) but I would honestly wait a bit untill organization is complete. There will be changes to the current envisaged structure almost for sure within close 1-2 years...
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    Post  Viktor Thu Apr 04, 2013 8:51 pm

    Interesting enough there where writings that Russian Air force plans massive closure of its airfields and leaving and modernizing only

    small number (in comparison) of existing.

    On the other hand massive numbers where needed and was a part of SU air defense strategy of active and reserve air fields.

    So no matter whether they we operational or not they where part of its assets in case of war.

    Lately there where indications that much more airfields will survive and receive modernization and some new are being constructed

    as we speak. Either way I agree with TR1, these numbers are not final as ADF concept gains more and more significant.
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    Post  ali.a.r Tue Apr 16, 2013 2:52 pm

    From what I've read about the Russian military reforms, the Air Force is to be changed from a Air Regiment (70-80 aircraft) based force, to a Air Base-Squadron based force.

    As a rule of thumb, what are the sizes of these new squadrons, and how many squadrons per air base?
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    Post  eridan Wed Apr 17, 2013 12:03 am

    that is the 50 million dollar question, if you ask me. I would LOVE to know the answer but I can just guesstimate as there is not enough solid information out there. So... It appears that squadrons number between 12 and 16 planes. Sadly, there doesn't seem to be a standardized size. Some squadrons will have 12 planes, other 16. Also, air base units differ WILDLY one from another. Some appear to have just a squadron or two worth of combat planes. Others seem to have two or three times as many.

    There also seems to be a mid-level unit, between an air base unit and squadron, called the air group. It would appear the air group is yet again a very flexible unit, sometimes comprised of just a single squadron, at other times it can have more.

    I would be very, very thankful for a good, credible (if official is too much to ask for) source that would explain the whole current organization a little bit better.
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    Post  ali.a.r Wed Apr 17, 2013 6:08 am

    Isn't Air Group, like, an American thing? I dunno, I've never heard of a RuAF Air Group. Neutral

    Also do RuAF planes fly in 'flights' of four, like most western air forces?
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    Post  eridan Wed Apr 17, 2013 9:26 am

    Air forces monthly from this past March did a fairly long piece about restructuring, though they too don't seem to know the details either.

    Basically, the aviatsionnya groupa, or as i called it air group, seems to be the lowest strategical unit. Sometimes it's just a dozen or so planes and that's why it is sometimes/often equalled with being a squadron. But in reality it seems to be more flexible and may have a few dozen planes. There is actually no mention of official breakdown into squadrons in that AFM text. So i am just asssuming there have to be smaller tactical units as well within that Av. group. Then, of course, I am sure there are the smallest flight units such as pairs or fours, as you've said, but I don't know the official structure. Someone else may answer that question.
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    Post  Viktor Thu Apr 25, 2013 3:46 pm

    Interesting reading.

    2012: 35 new planes

    2013: 66 new planes and 23 upgraded

    2014: 98 new planes

    2020 plan is getting steam.

    Sketches from the press conference on the implementation of the state defense order



    In the order of our blog did an interesting sketch of one of the participants in the event, which complement and systematize previously issued notes. April 22 in Moscow was organized by the agency " Interfax "news conference on the implementation of the state defense order, which was attended by Deputy Defense Minister Yuri Borisov, Director of the Department of Defense weapons Anatoly Gulyaev, chief designer of the Moscow Institute of Thermal Technology, Yuri Solomonov, UAC President Mikhail Pogosyan, the general director of the corporation" Tactical Missiles "Victor Obnosov, CEO Zelenodol Shipyard Renat Mistahov and other representatives of the defense industry, as well as officers of the Press and Information Ministry of Defense, television journalists, news agencies and publications covering the topics of the defense industry. Attended the event and director of CAST Ruslan Pukhov.

    Conference started with a welcome speech by Yuri Solomonov, who, though said that lying is not beaten, but he noted that the former leadership of the Defense Ministry was focused only on monetary relations, pushing engineering issues under the new leadership as the situation has changed. The antagonism between the Ministry of Defence and industry, and the destruction of vooruzhentsev in genera and species have also been attributed to Solomon in negative consequences for the former leadership. Disadvantages there are now - a lack of coordination of the Department of defense procurement (DGOZ) Defense in genera and species, a long way from signing the decree of the Government of the state defense order for the next year before the signing of the contract, but in general, the beginning of a new Minister Solomon is estimated to be more than satisfactory.

    According to Mikhail Pogosyan, the KLA, KLA now has double the annual aircraft deliveries. In 2012, it delivered 35 new aircraft in 2013 to be delivered 66 new (and 23 refurbished and upgraded), and in 2014, 98 new aircraft. He also praised the new leadership of the Defense Ministry and said, like Solomon, poor coordination with the KLA DGOZ Defense and the Air Force.

    To the press conference was prepared and other interesting information about the state of the defense procurement by the KLA. Total in 2013 as part of the LG-2020 UAC is to deliver 803 aircraft. In 2014 the total volume of contracts already signed with the MoD KLA was 62.59 billion rubles, including 51.465 billion rubles on delivery, 7.591 billion rubles for repair and modernization, 3.154 billion rubles on research and development and 380 million rubles for the supply of ground support and proof-of-aggregates.

    Contracts worth 11.4 billion rubles more. for 2013 are still to come. This is a contract for the AN-148 (1.2 billion rubles.) And maintenance of the Tu-160 and Tu-95MS (5.3 billion rubles)., Long-range bombers Tu-22M3 (1.5 billion rubles).. Expect the signing of contracts for complex repairs to the modernization of the Tu-22M3 (1.5 billion rubles.) And the modernization of the Tu-95MS (400 million rubles.). In addition, according to the 2013 state defense order is not signed contracts for two OCD Project Tu-160M ​​and Tu-22M3M (700 million and 800 million rubles).
    In the framework of the Federal Program DIC-2020 UAC for the modernization and upgrading of enterprises KLA allocated in 2011 - 1.187 billion rubles in 2020. - 2, 18 billion rubles, in 2013 - 4.198 billion rubles, in 2014 - 12.3153 trillion rubles, and in 2015 - 12.8157 trillion rubles.

    According to Pogosyan, in 2013, will be completed in conjunction with OCD Tactical Missiles Corporation to adapt new aircraft weapons (TSA) to the aircraft PAK FA. At the same time, as follows from the KLA, there are problems with the supply of TSA for internal compartments, with the development of missile seeker passing maneuver combat K-74m2. Not planned purchase of K-74M for external suspensions. There are problems with the financing of development of aircraft launchers APU-760 and CRA-180 for external hard TSA.

    According to the contract for the supply of 24 new Russian Navy carrier-based aircraft in 2013, plans to deliver the first four MiG-29K/KUB, and in 2014-15 another 10 machines.

    In 2012, the following major work on the T-50:
    - Manufactured and tested 6 prototypes (including four flight, a model for statispytany and integrated ground station). January 17 4th flight of T-50 arrived in Zhukovsky.
     An initial assessment of AESA radar, obtained-range mode "air-to-air" and "air-to-ground."
     Confirmed initial resource, traction, engine performance raskhodnyye AL-41F1. Made eskiznyy draft long-term engine.
    The main task of the T-50 for 2013:
     clearance in 2013, the act of preliminary testing and commissioning of the aircraft in trial operation
     Ready to send planes in 2014 on state tests
     Obtaining of official tests of the first stage in 2015
    UAC is also conducting research on the instructions of Defence to substantiate appearance and development of an experimental model of high-speed reconnaissance and strike long-range UAV.
    The main results on this topic for 2012:
     refined concept
     detailed functional and technical configuration.
    The main tasks for 2013:
     manufacture of experimental samples
     Preparation of materials for eksskizno-technical design
     development of design documentation for the full sample of static
    According to the UAC, you must define the needs and procurement plans to the completion of these UAVs OCD in order to prepare the production. Also, coordination and unified technical policy in creating complexes with UAVs - the unification of the basic elements of the terrestrial component of the complexes with UAVs (command and control system of automatic landing, communications) given to the development, will reduce the time needed to create the complex and ensure its integration into a single information field.
    Deputy Minister Yuri Borisov, in his speech for the first time reported that one of the main reasons for the delay to the contracts the state defense order in 2013 was conducted by the Ministry of Defence after sending the project to the government decision on the 2013 state defense order redistribution of 60 billion rubles. mainly for the procurement of additional weapons, as they previously did not actually purchased. The process of matching prices with new suppliers was delayed, which led to delays in awarding contracts.

    As you know, last week, Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin said the Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev, which in 2013 signed contracts for defense contracts 67.5%, 3.2 percentage points higher than in 2012 in response to Medvedev chided Rogozin, said that "the two thirds - is not that a good result ... This means that there is an error in the planning and contract itself campaign ".
    Another reason for the delay was introduced last year, the so-called fiscal rule (the transfer to the sovereign wealth funds of oil and gas dopdohodov budget until funds have grown to 7% of GDP), which led directly to a reduction of budget expenditures. As a result, dramatically increased the number of contracts financed by bank loans guaranteed by the budget (ie under his future earnings) value of contracts awarded through bank loans, increased from 186 billion in the past to 400 billion rubles. this year. But this process has been hampered - still not government issued a decree on the rate of these loans, Borisov said. There is, in his words, and subjective wine industry - until now many companies did not provide pricing for their products do not pose calculation (total cost estimate is not presented on the contracts of 16.8 billion rubles), or impose clearly inflated cost estimate with which the Ministry of Defence unconformably. Among these enterprises, which in the end is not contracted by the GOZ-2013 - is JSC "Tupolev" LSZ "Pella", Scientific Engineering, Srednenevsky CVD UUAP. Pravdinskoye CB "Volga" presented clearly overestimated by 19.7% calculation, "Planta" - 36%, "Breastplate" - by 16.3%.

    According to Borisov, the subjective and objective reasons do not justify the failure to comply with government regulations, but by July contracts will end. Borisov also noted that in the 1st quarter of 2013 were canceled dozens of previously concluded contracts because of their inadequate conditions over the past year to 570 jobs in the defense industry predpriyayatiya were fined by 30 billion rubles.

    According to the director of the Department of Defense weapons Anatoly Gulyaev, on April 23 signed contracts 72.5% (an increase of 136 billion rubles more than on this date in 2012, and more than in all of 2012), another 13% is in the final stages of conclusion - that is signed by the ministry and are waiting for the signature of the enterprise. Not also signed many contracts for repairs - but the period of their signing by the decision of the government is set on Aug. 1, and the repair is 25% of the value of all defense contracts in 2013. Defense industry advances transferred 120 billion more than at the same date, 2012, and is listed advances in the amount of 56% of all defense contracts in 2013 for the Ministry of Defense. 48% performed at the 2013 GOZ contracts - long with deadlines from 3 to 9 years, which is 1.4 times more than in GOZ-2012 total, as part of the LG-2020 concluded long-term contracts under the nomenclature SNF - 52% (of the total amount of funding for SNF LG), EKO - 36%, and the Navy - more than 25%.
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    Post  Austin Sat Apr 27, 2013 7:03 am

    MAKS 2011 - Flight Program! Full episode in HD! (English subtitles)

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    Post  Austin Sat Apr 27, 2013 7:06 am

    MiG-35 100 Russian Air Force 100th Anniversary Air Show

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    Post  Austin Thu May 02, 2013 4:10 pm

    MiG-29UPG delivers

    At the same time, the Parliament members insisted the money that the Russian government is spending on the defense is sufficient to provide a high workload for the key enterprises of the national military-industrial complex. In particular, they stated that in the 2013-2015 timeframe, the Kremlin is going to spend Rouble 7.7 trillion (US dollar 257 billion) on weapon procurement, and Rouble 20 trillion (US dollar 0.67 trillion) by 2020. This shall allow an increase in the share of modern weapon systems in the inventory of the Russian armed forces from 10% currently to 70% over the next twenty years.


    $257 billion in 3 years is big money.
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    Post  Austin Mon May 13, 2013 2:42 pm

    Dmitry Petrov: "We work closely with our customers"
    General Director of JSC "Helicopters of Russia" - the new projects of the holding

    http://www.aviaport.ru/digest/2013/05/13/254739.html

    Sweep black wings

    http://www.aviaport.ru/digest/2013/05/13/254704.html
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    Post  Viktor Wed May 15, 2013 3:58 am

    Well well well what have we got here Very Happy

    - LMFS is a done deal as suspected Very Happy

    - MIG-35 is a done deal

    - many other interesting things for up to year 2025

    TABLE IS PROVIDED IN THE LINK


    Future plans for the Russian Air Force in aeronautical engineering 2025


    As reported web portal AviaPort.Ru, Assistant Minister of Defense of Russia, former Russian Air Force Commander Alexander Zelin, May 14, 2013 Air Force announced long-term plans for new and upgraded types of aircraft for the period until 2025 (probably in the framework of developing the state armament program for the years 2016-2025). .


    Moscow. May 14. Airports - Russian Air Force plan for the period up to 2025 to create several types of new aircraft, said Assistant Secretary of Defense Alexander Zelin said. According to him, in the interests of the army aviation research is needed to ensure that the concepts and technical aspect of prospective high-speed rotary-wing combat aircraft. Its creation is due to the need to increase the combat capabilities for commands in strategic areas, as well as in the Arctic zone. should also conduct studies to determine the quantity and quality of complexes with unmanned aerial vehicles large and medium-range missiles, integrating them into a promising Air Force weapons system. You also need to work on the opening of the creation of a dedicated reconnaissance aircraft in the interests of groups of forces in strategic areas A. Zelin added. According to him, during the period 2021-2025 years, the Air Force planned to set up a promising attack aircraft and light multi-purpose front-line aircraft. It also provides work for creation and production of a series of special, transport, combat training and other purposes by aircraft. According to A. Zelin, today formed a good potential to improve the system of agents. In particular, it is planned to establish long-term and purchase of tanker aircraft, development and procurement of tactical aircraft of the future fighter T-50 fighter of the 4 + + Su-35 and MiG-35, a promising attack aircraft, amphibious medium transport helicopter, light and medium military transport aircraft and a number of others. Has launched a series of helicopters Mi-28N and Ka-52, Su-34, Yak-130, Mi-8 MTV-5, Mi-8AMTSh, is being modernized Tu-160, Tu-95 and Tu-22 and Su-25 , MiG-31, Il-78M. Physical purchased and modernized the Russian Air Force military equipment is presented in the table. Physical purchased and modernized military equipment




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    and there are many unknowns:

    - CCL (strategic aviation) ??

    - MARK (strategic aviation) ??

    - WABT (transport) ??

    - SMS SUS (transport) ??

    - PRN (most likely stealth substitute for Su-25)

    - LMFS (new stealth light single engine fighter)

    - Link-3C (special aviation) ??

    - Forward-M (special aviation) ??

    - Porubschik (special aviation) ??

    - Postilion-C (special aviation) ??

    - hawk (special aviation) ??

    - UGC PUP (trainer) ??

    - LMTSV (helicopter) ??

    - PSTDV (helicopter) ??

    - POSTDV (helicopter) ??

    - 5-generation combat helicopter (all clear here)

    - PMTSV (helicopter) ??

    - as we see MIG-35/Su-35/Su-30 will not be produced beyond 2020

    - what will be produced however is Su-34/PAK-FA/LMFS/ UGC PUP



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    Post  xeno Wed May 15, 2013 5:17 am

    LMFS does exist...
    So interesting.

    And a post on bmpd

    CCL - tanker, apparently meaning the Il-78M-90A on the basis of "476"
    MARK - shchito it? and even a new and long-range aircraft .. can research Altius-M?
    WABT - IL-214 aka the MTA
    SMS SUS - based on the MS-21 that BSMS
    The An-70 again twenty-five, the same sort of covered this almshouse officially
    PRN - attack, that is probably Ulan Udi Sioux 25UBM new construction
    "Hawk" is the A-90
    "Link-3C" - if IL-80 was a "Link 2", then it must also be VzPU
    "Forward-M" - Wurth helicopter based on the Mi-8 MTV
    UGC TNG - Yak-152
    LMTSV - light multipurpose helicopter (ANSAT no "I"?)
    PSTDV - a promising medium amphibious transport helicopter (MI-383?)
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    Post  TheArmenian Wed May 15, 2013 2:16 pm

    - Hope to see all the programs actually materialize. MAKS-2013 should provide further insight.

    - I think either the "SVTS" or "SMS SUS" is the IL-214.

    - Glad to see the smaller IL-112V back in the program. There is an article( http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/33214/ ) that talks about the development of a Klimov engine for it.

    - MARK is probably a strategic UAV or UCAV.
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    Post  Viktor Wed May 15, 2013 3:42 pm

    TheArmenian wrote:- MARK is probably a strategic UAV or UCAV.

    Agree. Most likely.

    It could be that some special aviation of the names:

    - Porubschik
    - Postilion-C"

    could be some of the UAV Sukhoi/MIG/Yak is producing. Regarding LMFS. Russia will have engine, radar, weapons, and the conception (regarding 5th generation avionics) and BUYERS ready. All they need is an airframe and they are best in aerodynamics.
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    Post  GarryB Thu May 16, 2013 3:22 am

    I remember the head of UAC saying that Mig had fifth gen light fighter ready to go, but the focus was getting the PAK FA up and running first before they would start work on putting together a light model... which suggests to me that once the PAK FA is in service and the Mig-35 and Su-35 and Su-30s are in service in sufficient numbers the new light 5th gen fighter will start production to first replace the older and cheaper fighters like the Su-27s and Mig-29s, including the Mig-29SMT and Su-27SM aircraft, and then they will replace the 4th gen fighters (the 35s) as numbers enter service.

    Will be interesting to see what the PRN Frogfoot replacement will look like... most seem to be talking about stealth, but I suspect armour and payload and sophisticated self defence suites would be rather more important than stealth.

    For a start making it stealth means internal weapons which is a huge compromise for that type of aircraft... it makes rather more sense to protect it from trash fire with armour and redundant design, and hang as many weapons off it as possible... and just fly low with an escort.

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