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    Post  George1 Wed Sep 26, 2012 1:46 pm

    Su-34


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    Post  George1 Fri Sep 28, 2012 2:51 pm

    I would like to know what are the projected numbers of production for the Russian air-force for these aircrafts

    Su-50=
    Su-35=
    Su-30=
    Su-34=

    for example 250 su-50..?
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    Post  GarryB Fri Sep 28, 2012 3:03 pm

    Do you mean PAK FA?

    Su-50 does not exist and will not exist for a while... BTW T-50 means 50th prototype with triangular wing from Sukhoi design bureau.

    Otherwise the Su-27 would be called the Su-10 because its prototype was called T-10.

    Note also Russian and Soviet fighters have even numbers... Mig 15,17,19,21,23,25,27,29,31,33,35 Su-9,11,15,17,21,25,27,33,35.

    Even numbers are for non fighters like the Su-24 strike aircraft or the Su-34 strike aircraft or the Su-30 mini AWACS interceptor, or the Tu-128 interceptor.

    BTW last numbers I saw was about 160 by 2020 of PAK FA.

    About 96 Su-35s, probably a similar number of Su-30s and Su-27SMs, and probably about 250 Su-34s.
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    Post  George1 Fri Sep 28, 2012 3:47 pm

    160 PAK-FA only to replace su-27 and mig-29? i thought RuAF demands were at 250-300 eircrafts
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    Post  TR1 Fri Sep 28, 2012 9:17 pm

    160 PAK-FA by 2020 is extremely optimistic, I would bet on half that number as a solid starting point.

    Current Su-35 order is 48, another 48 expected before 2020. So 96 by 2020.
    Su-34 order is currently 92, but is projected to go up to ~140 before 2020.
    Su-30 has a current order for 30, but another batch is likely, for AF or Navy (12 for Fleet), or for both.
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    Post  KomissarBojanchev Fri Sep 28, 2012 10:03 pm

    Man I wish the good old days when all those aviation factories that coughed up 50 aircraft per month while now even owning a lot of that huge USSR industrial base now its barely 50 aircraft per decade. i simply cannot imagine how russia is still considered a major global power with this kind of military production. Even Germany can rival this rate.

    Yeah capitalism and free market gives Sooooo much prosperity Rolling Eyes
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    Post  TR1 Fri Sep 28, 2012 10:58 pm

    50 a decade? Far more this decade, when normal funding has been provided. When exports are considered, production is even better.
    Helicopter production is massive for example.
    Nobody save the US and in some sectors China has the same military aviation production industry.

    Germany doesn't make squat diddly in terms of military aviation alone, and their total numbers are nothing to write home about.
    And this is Europe's biggest economy....

    Back in the "good old days" half the country was working to sustain a massive and exhausting military complex.
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    Post  GarryB Sat Sep 29, 2012 1:35 am

    160 PAK-FA only to replace su-27 and mig-29? i thought RuAF demands were at 250-300 eircrafts

    More like 200-250, and the plane will be in service for a couple of decades and will only enter service after 2016.

    Production doesn't happen by magic you know. Production lines need to be set up and tooled, and workers trained. They currently have 4 flying prototypes... in the next few years they will build 6 more so they have 10 aircraft to get through all the testing quickly and the first serial aircraft to go to testing units in 2016.

    If we compare with the only other comparable aircraft... the F-22, it was first developed as a concept in 1981, the first YF-22 was built in August 1990. When did it enter operational service? 2006? over a period when the US was spending more on "defence" than ever before and had not had any economic collapses like the Russians did over the same period...

    There is no thousand planes a year factory just sitting there waiting for orders, and it would be an enormous drain on the Russian economy if there was.

    The Russians are being perfectly sensible... in comparison the USAF wanted thousands of F-22s, then it was 900, then it was 750 at a bare minimum, and now it is 188 or so.

    They plane to order abuot 160 before 2020, though of course they will not likely deliver that many, but longer term plans are for about 200-250.

    The simple fact is that upgraded Su-27s and Mig-29s will remain in service for a little while yet, and with minor upgrades they are able to do the job perfectly well. Add to the numbers about 200 odd Mig-31s and parhaps another 96 odd Mig-35s or Mig-29M2s and you have a few options.

    The days of the Soviet Union are over... and good riddance... the production numbers were high because the aircraft were simple and basic... a modern Mig-29M2 has better air to air capability than 30-40 Mig-21s and Mig-23s, and in terms of ground attack with the proper weapons it is better than an Su-24 in terms of finding targets, communications, and weapon sophistication. It only lacks in terms of payload capacity and flight range and low level speed and comfort of ride at that low altitude.
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    Post  George1 Mon Oct 01, 2012 2:24 pm

    Which center is the successor of the former flying school "5th Central Course for Preparation and Improvement of Aviation Personnel, Frunze, Chui Oblast, Kyrgyz SSR"?
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    Post  TR1 Tue Oct 09, 2012 10:44 pm

    http://www.militaryparitet.com/ttp/data/ic_ttp/3617/

    In 2013, Su-25 will be getting a thermal camera.
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    Post  GarryB Wed Oct 10, 2012 9:15 am

    Nice.

    I would like to see them add both sat guided bomb capability and also the bombing computer system they were fitting to the Tu-22M3 and Su-24M2s.

    Being able to use cheap dumb bombs with accuracy makes it a very valuable little aircraft, having computer generated aiming marks in the HUD just makes it more accurate and capable, but for well protected targets then missiles like Hermes and Kh-25 with TV and Laser and IIR seekers would be very useful.

    A thermal camera to give night and all weather capability is good news... there was talk of a thermal sight for the Su-25SM, but they cheaped out and said it would use a radar for night and all weather use... which never happened either.
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    Post  medo Wed Oct 10, 2012 4:43 pm

    Wasn't meant to be new build Su-25UBM?
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    Post  TR1 Wed Oct 10, 2012 10:33 pm

    medo wrote:Wasn't meant to be new build Su-25UBM?

    Yeah @ Ulan-Ude, but that plane has been in "testing" for the past 4 years.
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    Post  TR1 Thu Nov 01, 2012 8:57 am

    http://function.mil.ru/news_page/country/more.htm?id=11436633@egNews

    Normal flight hours for long-range aviation around 150 today.
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    Post  Shadåw Thu Nov 01, 2012 5:58 pm

    Well i found this article regarding the 2020 arms porgram, could som one be nice nough as to translate the /chart/ which is located in it?^^


    Thanks.


    http://twower.livejournal.com/901249.html
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    Post  TR1 Fri Nov 02, 2012 4:20 am

    That chart is just authors opinion- it is based on info that we generally already know, but also has some inaccuracies.
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    Post  Cyberspec Fri Nov 02, 2012 11:26 am

    It's believed to be more or less correct. The only major thing missing is the recent report about the MiG-35 which came out after this list was compiled.

    I'll see if I can translate it in the next few days...depending on available time

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    Post  Cyberspec Fri Nov 09, 2012 1:16 am

    Here's the translation:

    Strategic and long range bombers

    New

    none

    ...

    Modernized

    16 Tu-160
    36 Tu-95MS
    30 Tu-22M3

    ...

    Old

    20 Tu-95MS
    70 Tu-22M3


    ---------------------


    Military transport and refueling aviation

    New

    39 Il-476
    30 Il-478 (refueling)
    60 An-70
    50 MTA (Il-214)
    30 L-410
    20 An-148
    10 An-140-100
    100 light transport
    3 Tu-154M

    ...

    Modernised

    20 An-124-100
    41 Il-76MDM

    ...

    Old

    4 An-124
    60 Il-76MD
    20 Il-78 (refueling)
    5 An-22

    at least 20 An-26/30
    at least 10 Tu-154B
    at least 10 Tu-134UBL


    ----------------------


    Special purpose aircraft


    New

    2 Tu-204ON
    2 Tu-204R
    at least 5 A-100

    ...

    Modernised

    at least 10 Il-20
    at least 10 Il-22
    12 A-50U

    ...


    Old

    None



    -------------------


    Tactical aviation


    New

    60 T-50
    120 Su-35S
    60 Su-30SM
    4 Su-30M2
    12 Su-27SM3
    34 MiG-29SMT/UBM
    140 Su-34
    12 Su-25UBM
    80 Yak-130

    ...


    Modernised


    120 MiG-31BM
    55 Su-27SM
    120 Su-24M/MR
    10 MiG-25RB
    150 Su-25SM

    ...


    Old
    150 Su-27
    100 MiG-29
    50 Su-24M/MR
    50 Su-25
    100 L-39


    ------------------


    Army aviation


    New

    167 Mi-28N/NM
    180 Ka-52
    49 Mi-35M
    38 Mi-26T/T2
    500 Mi-8MTV/AMTSh
    100 Ka-62
    70 Ansat-U
    36 Ka-226
    100 light helos


    ...


    Modernised

    30 Mi-24PN
    20 Mi-VMTKO
    20 Mi-26T

    ...


    Old

    10 Ka-50
    100 Mi-24V/P
    300 Mi-8T/MTV
    20 Mi-2
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    Post  Austin Sun Nov 11, 2012 9:51 am

    MiG Describes a Road To Recovery
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    Post  George1 Sun Nov 11, 2012 10:00 am

    He expects the Russian MoD to place orders for MiG-35Ds next year or in 2014......
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    Post  Austin Mon Nov 12, 2012 2:08 am

    Take Off Magazine November 2012

    http://en.take-off.ru/arhiv/746
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    Post  Cyberspec Thu Nov 15, 2012 9:45 am

    Good "oldie" video about the Su-25




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    Post  TheArmenian Fri Nov 23, 2012 8:23 am

    TheArmenian wrote:Best photos of Kh-101/102 ever published yet can be found in the latest issue of COMBAT AIRCRAFT magazine. Together with extremely interesting information about the missiles.
    http://www.combataircraft.net/view_issue.asp?ID=4723

    OK, here we go. The pictures from the magazine have appeared on this site: http://militaryrussia.ru/blog/topic-440.html

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    Post  TR1 Fri Nov 23, 2012 8:26 am

    Heh, I was the one who originally cropped that image from a PDF. Posted it here and on Keypub, after you mentioned the magazine.


    I see "our" pic has made rounds Very Happy
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    Post  Sujoy Fri Nov 23, 2012 9:18 am

    Austin wrote:Take Off Magazine November 2012

    http://en.take-off.ru/arhiv/746

    Many thanks ! General Yuri Guskov interview was very insightful.

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