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    Post  kvs Fri Jan 02, 2015 11:29 pm

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-01-02/us-debt-soars-100-billion-last-day-2014-hits-record-1814-trillion

    Russian Economy General News: #3 - Page 26 US%20debt%20dec%2031%202014_0

    Russia is doomed I tell you!

    Note how the US sovereign debt keeps ramping up long after the 2008-9 crisis is over.

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-11-04/u-s-deficit-decline-to-2-8-of-gdp-is-unprecedented-turn.html

    Bloomberg is boasting how the US deficit fall to 2.8% of GDP is some spectacular achievement in 46 years.
    Meanwhile, Bloomberg, Reuters and the rest of the lying western media filth makes the small Russian deficit
    look like some epic failure. Russia's deficit is about 0.5% of the GDP. So what is wrong with Russia running
    a deficit over five times larger at 2.5% of the GDP? It is supposedly super duper in the case of the USA.
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    Post  Hannibal Barca Sat Jan 03, 2015 1:30 am

    Still my favorite story remains how China got busted with 7.4% growth and faces default with 6% sovereign debt Shocked Laughing
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    Post  sepheronx Sat Jan 03, 2015 1:35 am

    Hannibal Barca wrote:Still my favorite story remains how China got busted with 7.4% growth and faces default with 6% sovereign debt Shocked Laughing

    Yeah, I am quite saddened people actually fall for this stuff. I mean, China has growth and even heck, Russia has growth this year, but low growth compared to previously predicted is bad yet US grows but with a debt of over $18T and a deficit in the trillions, is considered good.

    There is some real manipulation going on and it is blatantly sad. But it is even more sad average person falls for this. Which brings up the concept that common sense is an oxymoron.
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    Post  Hannibal Barca Sat Jan 03, 2015 1:45 am

    United States is weak but with an absolutely mammoth brand name.
    Is just that maths reflex reality much faster than people's perspectives Wink
    In my profession I face this every day.
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    Post  Vann7 Sat Jan 03, 2015 2:15 am

    AlfaT8 wrote:
    Austin wrote:As oil falls, Russia choked by military, social spending
    Reuters, really!?  Suspect

    Yes... what i though... lol

    Why would anyone post Reuters.. is propaganda neocon media....
    Any media that comes from US or UK and France.. just avoid it as hell.. US and European media all stink.
    Guardian ,Associated Press ,france 24, Reuters ,BLoomerang , CNN.BBC etc. . Also VICE and YoungTurks.. Aljazeera too.
    more example of Pro NATO media. they not even post names in the article of who told what?  but "sources" "inside Russian Government"... just propaganda..

    Just days ago.. i posted a report that Russia defense minister told.. the defense expending will increase
    by 20% in 2015 and by 40% in 2017..  Western propaganda is all aimed to provoke panic at any investors
    seeking to invest in Russia..  If you paint the picture of Russia as that will have no chance to survive and is a matter of months for that.. No investor will risk to invest in Russia.. is called  -> ECONOMIC media warfare.


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    Post  kvs Sat Jan 03, 2015 2:15 am

    Both China and Russia have actual development and hence GDP growth room. The west is saturated and needs to
    create demand through cheap credit and consumer avarice. We can see how it is failing. I no longer take anything
    the NATO media spews seriously by default. Only after independent sources and my own thinking is involved can
    I promote some NATO media piece to the level of "worth my while". These days it is basically 99% trash.
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    Post  kvs Sat Jan 03, 2015 3:06 am

    http://fortruss.blogspot.ca/2014/12/the-anti-russian-policies-of-eu-succeed.html

    This is music to my ears. These rabid Russia hating chihuahuas should have been cut off 10 years ago. It is finally
    happening. Eat your own bile you hater turds.
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    Post  flamming_python Sat Jan 03, 2015 10:54 am

    kvs wrote:http://fortruss.blogspot.ca/2014/12/the-anti-russian-policies-of-eu-succeed.html

    This is music to my ears.   These rabid Russia hating chihuahuas should have been cut off 10 years ago.  It is finally
    happening.   Eat your own bile you hater turds.

    I don't take any pleasure from seeing people's livelyhoods destroyed.

    But yes there is absolutely no reason for Russia to give business to other countries when it has all the facilities and specialists necessary for these tasks on its own soil - especially if these countries are hostile.
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    Post  Rmf Sat Jan 03, 2015 4:52 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
    kvs wrote:http://fortruss.blogspot.ca/2014/12/the-anti-russian-policies-of-eu-succeed.html

    This is music to my ears.   These rabid Russia hating chihuahuas should have been cut off 10 years ago.  It is finally
    happening.   Eat your own bile you hater turds.

    I don't take any pleasure from seeing people's livelyhoods destroyed.

    But yes there is absolutely no reason for Russia to give business to other countries when it has all the facilities and specialists necessary for these tasks on its own soil - especially if these countries are hostile.
    but it will bring jobs back to russia. good. everything that can be substituted without need for aditional investment should be done as soon as possible.
    also trade will be reduced so no reason for foreigners to have any piece of the pie.
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    Post  Vann7 Sat Jan 03, 2015 6:46 pm

    Now this news is really interesting..

    Is on RT spanish (use google translator)..and if is true.. is indeed big good news for Russia..

    http://actualidad.rt.com/actualidad/162182-putin-maestro-petroleo-rublo

    the title of the article..
    The unexpected (chess) move of Russia with their energy shares, amazed the west.

    The article claims Russia have stunned the west with what happened in December with the Ruble "collapse".
    Basically it says Russia fooled the west ,played the being very weak card to control the Ruble and allowed it
    to free fall to very low levels.. This provoked panic in American And Europeans energy business owning shares
    of Gazprom and Rossnet and they began to sell it all. Very Happy  their shares in Russia energy   And RUssia Gov bought it all back in minutes . In essence nationalizing almost all Rosfnet and taking major control of gazprom ,earning about $20 Billions in just minutes.   Smile  Russia took full control of their energy companies and now all the profits of companies like Rossnet will go almost all to Russia.  Smile

    Is interesting this.. because the Ruble bounced back in just 26 hours.. about 26%.
    Now its appear to be stable under 60..  (58) at the moment. and the article claims the move have been
    the most impressive one since wallstreet was created.  The story actually make sense with what the central bank
    told when the Ruble was on 75.. the women who control the central bank, told and was published in RT in big letters that they "lost control of the ruble"  ,that don't know what else to do..and that people should just adapt to a new reality and give a chance to the substitution of domestic market. then after those words.. a day later.. BANG.. the ruble bounce back and is stable.   Very Happy   the Ruble recovered about 30% since dec 16.. and is showing signals of stability..

    IT doesn't look to me.. is the most ideal thing to happen..to allow the RUble to fall so much..
    but seems like Russia managed to profit from it BIG TIME.. from that crisis.  

    Now the vast majority of  the sales of Oil and Gas by Russia goes directly to the Russian government pockets.   Cool


    The oil is low now.. yes.. but it will raise again. it will be IMPOSSIBLE for Oil to remain very cheap for long..
    Because it will destroy US and CANADA energy business too.. aside that the world population will only increase..
    same with the energy demands... so sooner or later the demand will significantly increase.. and in China numbers alone. they estimate their demand for energy will triple in just a decade. So even if energy is low..Russia can compensate that by selling a significant larger volume.   Cool    All said Russia have said that they will make profits even if oil sold at $30 per barrel.. and they are preparing the nation for such scenario..

    But really ,cheap oil will not happen..for long.. i give it just one year at best. Saudi are losing huge profits ,and US energy companies and their fracking industry is collapsing. and their alternative business of green energy is also collapsing because of the cheap oil. Very Happy   So be ready.. because the real Story of what Obama kamikazi war on the ruble is yet to develop..  There are already Signals ,of things not going the way the west planned it..with their attack on the RUble and Oil prices.

    This means that all Russia needs to do. is survive the oil prices for a year or two ..to win..(also stay away of any direct war with Ukraine) after that when Oil prices stabilize , Russia Gov will be making a LOT OF MONEY when the demands double and triple. and all that profits will go to new submarines and cool military hardware in Russia that everyone likes. pirat
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    Post  par far Sat Jan 03, 2015 10:06 pm

    Russia got 30% of it's companies back and earned $20 Billion.

    http://inserbia.info/today/2014/12/grandmaster-putin-russia-earns-20-bln-recovers-stocks-of-its-companies/



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    Post  kvs Sat Jan 03, 2015 11:02 pm

    http://www.rubaltic.ru/article/segodnya-v-pribaltike/24122014-khircha/

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    The Baltoids are freaks. The above specimen calls one of the Orthodox religious holidays as a
    reminder of the "Soviet occupation".

    1) When people think occupation they think repression and abuse. The Baltics had the highest
    standard of living in the USSR. Nobody was waving machine guns in their faces. They were not
    afraid to let Russians know how much they did not like them when they came for tourist visits.

    2) What does communism have to do with the Orthodox Church? Was Orthodoxy imposed on the
    Balti-tards? You can answer that question yourself. Clearly this specimen cannot engage in rational
    thought and can only wallow in hate.
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    Post  Regular Sun Jan 04, 2015 3:46 am

    Baltoids? Who are You?
    First of all it's Latvian politician not all people. Are we all responsible for what she said? Same as Russians with their pantheon of idiots like Zhirnovski.. She is an idiot because:
    1. I still remember that Soviet union didn't EVEN have CHRISTMAS as an holiday. That's why we get presents at new year. Staroveri were even persecuted by commies and my grandmother had her Icons confiscated. Religious gatherings were spied upon and orthodox Russians were even bigger target than catholics.
    2. Women's day and May day are actual communist legacy and needs to be removed from holiday list as there are way too many holidays. Plus they are irrelevant.

    Some people just like to stir shit up. My best bet she was a fanatical commie in her times now she is butthurt that her dream of becoming CP leader is gone. Haha. Our biggest russophobics were surprise surprise eager communists who suddenly had change of heart.

    Still dogs bark and caravan keeps moving. Russian tourists are still visiting Baltics big times, no matter what idiot politics say.
    Our holiday resorts are mainly tailored for Russians. Especially the rich ones who don't care about ruble course.
    And about Baltics. Well there was guns being waved in front our noses. First dead person I seen was a woman crushed with tank next to TV tower in Vilnius. Things went ballistic all over Baltic's. There was threatening and terror tactics from Soviet union and then economical blockade. But it was worth it.
    Haha Baltic's being best place to live in USSR, well i remember these times and now it makes me laugh. it just shows how bad stagnation in USSR really was. Best living standard was in agrarian land where You had to wait hours in the que to get bread, meat and milk.  By all means negatives outweighted positives and almost all soviet block is happier being apart, but we tend not to see the positives we all have now. Russia especially as it found itself good at many things that Soviet Union wasn't. It wasn't black and white then too. I just wish that soviet legacy was kept when it comes to education or other things, but ex commie countries just destroyed even what was perfectly good.

    And there was not much love for Russians who came from deep of nowhere and they thought they own everything and we should be grateful to them for everything.  You know similar to how USA tourists or soldiers act. Once I was told by American that we should be thankful for freedom he brought to us... Similar to Mi vam kukturu prinesli. Provokes same reaction.
    But was there any pogroms like in Kazachstan ? My childhood Russian friend was from there and his family had to run with first train with all their belongings as their house was burned. It was in late 80s!
    Why there is tons of russians living in baltics if people hated them? In reality there are so many mixed families, they are not living in the ghetto. Only old people tend not to learn local language and that pisses us off. How would You feel if I would only speak Latvian with everyone if I would be living in Moscow?

    Our problem is that we are going past politics into ethnical confrontation like that Latvian cunt did. Just to widen the gap between people who live there.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Sun Jan 04, 2015 6:04 am

    Interesting, word on the street is some of the capital/exchange control measures that are being applied towards Belarus, are the possible testing ground for what we might see in Russia soon enough.
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    Post  Vann7 Sun Jan 04, 2015 6:06 am

    hehe.. exactly.. and people see.. The Conspiracies theories of a Central bank that conspire
    against Russia according to "some experts" interviewed in Saker forums.. Where all just nonsense.
    It was all a Trick... Russia fooled the west into thinking they were hopeless to recover the Ruble..
    I remember clearly how Elvira Nabiullina the chairman.. that everyone wanted to kill.. told
    "they lost control of the ruble" that people need to resign to a new economic reality.. in
    BIG NEWS on RT front page.. and that was when the RUble fall to 80.. then BANG!!
    Russia buy most of their Energy shares at the hands of west..   lol1

    Russia won far more than $20 billions because over long period.. one the oil returns to 80 to 100..
    as it will do.. Russia Government profits with be 200% higher. So if Oil returns to $100 per barrel..
    Russia will win TWICE more now in profits.. and this new income will SIgnificantly boost the development of Russia
    and the defense industry.  Smile


    That was BRILLIANT.. they got almost complete control of their energy companies for pennies.. lol1
    and done legally..  Now where are the Putin Advisors who were asking for a gun to kill Elvira? Wink

    The west was duped big time.. and i knew Putin was not an idiot to allow their nation to be destroyed
    from the inside.. this proof beyond the doubt,

    1)RUssia central bank follows orders from PUTIN..
    2)That is not serving the IMF and neither conspiring against Russia..
    3)That Russia is a TRUE independent nation with a BANK that regardless if it is private or government or semi both..
    that only serve the interest of Russian Government and not of western bankers. Wink

    I just Knew it.. Putin is not an idiot.. and he will have never allowed the IMF to take control of their banks.
    This was the reason.. Putin was ALL SMILES.. at the long questions/answer conference.. and it didn't looked like acting.. Putin looked genuinely very enthusiastic like never i have seen him before..and that was surprising for me..
    Even CNN media noted the smiling of Putin ,but they told he was acting and trying to fool people at the grave consequences of Russia economy.

    here is the article link..

    Those rumors and Putin’s statement that he will protect Russian speaking population in Ukraine led to a dramatic fall in value of the stocks of Russian energetic companies, and “financial sharks” suddenly started to sell the stocks on the stock market before they completely lost their value. Putin waited for an entire week and only smiled at press conferences, and when the price of the stocks completely fell, he ordered immediate purchase of all stocks which were in hands of Americans and Europeans. When “financial sharks” realized they were tricked, it was already too late. Stocks were in Russian hands and not only that Russia made more than $20 billion that day, but also recovered the stocks of its companies into Russian hands. Now, all the profits made from oil and gas will stay in Russia and not go out of the country. Ruble will grow by itself and for its support it will not be necessary to spend golden reserves of Russia. European “financial sharks” remained with their heads bowed as fools – in a few minutes, for pennies, Russia bought stocks worth billions in profit from oil and gas. Such an extraordinary operation was not seen since the establishment of the stock market.



    However the 5th column do exist.. and former financial minister Kudrin is a traitor...
    what he did is TREASON.. visiting Moscow to Alarm Russians ,trying to provoke panic.. about the genuine
    catastrophe comming for Russia.. and attacking PUTIN indirectly and asking to capitulate with USA and surrender to them.. is HIGH TREASON.. and the bastard needs to be Arrested for that.. and investigated his accounts..and if proven he was paid by the west.. to provoke Panic and scare any investor.. then be hanged like a criminal .


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    Post  Vann7 Sun Jan 04, 2015 6:17 am

    magnumcromagnon wrote:Interesting, word on the street is some of the capital/exchange control measures that are being applied towards Belarus, are the possible testing ground for what we might see in Russia soon enough.

    is that good news or what?
    Can you elaborate what they do?
    Belarus lately showing signals of rebellion against Russia. and Russian lawmakers warning
    him ,about his actions.
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    Post  AlfaT8 Sun Jan 04, 2015 8:12 am

    par far wrote:Russia got 30% of it's companies back and earned $20 Billion.

    http://inserbia.info/today/2014/12/grandmaster-putin-russia-earns-20-bln-recovers-stocks-of-its-companies/
    Ok, i am not as optimistic as Vann, but if this is true, then Putin/Russia isn't playing Chess anymore, they're playing full on Tri-Dimensional Chess. Twisted Evil
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    Post  Austin Sun Jan 04, 2015 11:41 am

    kvs some latest stastics to chew from CBR , Can you highlight key data relevant

    International Investment Position of the Russian Federation for the Third Quarter of 2014

    http://www.cbr.ru/eng/statistics/credit_statistics/iip_rf_new_14Q3_e.xlsx
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    Post  flamming_python Sun Jan 04, 2015 1:45 pm

    Is there any proof for the government buying up those shares? Some official statements or info from another source?

    Forgive me but all these 'Putin's grandmaster thinking cannot be fully comprehended by us mere mortals' articles don't inspire believability.
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    Post  flamming_python Sun Jan 04, 2015 1:57 pm

    Regular wrote:Baltoids? Who are You?
    First of all it's Latvian politician not all people. Are we all responsible for what she said? Same as Russians with their pantheon of idiots like Zhirnovski.. She is an idiot because:
    1. I still remember that Soviet union didn't EVEN have CHRISTMAS as an holiday. That's why we get presents at new year. Staroveri were even persecuted by commies and my grandmother had her Icons confiscated. Religious gatherings were spied upon and orthodox Russians were even bigger target than catholics.
    2. Women's day and May day are actual communist legacy and needs to be removed from holiday list as there are way too many holidays. Plus they are irrelevant.

    Some people just like to stir shit up. My best bet she was a fanatical commie in her times now she is butthurt that her dream of becoming CP leader is gone. Haha. Our biggest russophobics were surprise surprise eager communists who suddenly had change of heart.

    Still dogs bark and caravan keeps moving. Russian tourists are still visiting Baltics big times, no matter what idiot politics say.
    Our holiday resorts are mainly tailored for Russians. Especially the rich ones who don't care about ruble course.
    And about Baltics. Well there was guns being waved in front our noses. First dead person I seen was a woman crushed with tank next to TV tower in Vilnius. Things went ballistic all over Baltic's. There was threatening and terror tactics from Soviet union and then economical blockade. But it was worth it.
    Haha Baltic's being best place to live in USSR, well i remember these times and now it makes me laugh. it just shows how bad stagnation in USSR really was. Best living standard was in agrarian land where You had to wait hours in the que to get bread, meat and milk.  By all means negatives outweighted positives and almost all soviet block is happier being apart, but we tend not to see the positives we all have now. Russia especially as it found itself good at many things that Soviet Union wasn't. It wasn't black and white then too. I just wish that soviet legacy was kept when it comes to education or other things, but ex commie countries just destroyed even what was perfectly good.

    And there was not much love for Russians who came from deep of nowhere and they thought they own everything and we should be grateful to them for everything.  You know similar to how USA tourists or soldiers act. Once I was told by American that we should be thankful for freedom he brought to us... Similar to Mi vam kukturu prinesli. Provokes same reaction.
    But was there any pogroms like in Kazachstan ? My childhood Russian friend was from there and his family had to run with first train with all their belongings as their house was burned. It was in late 80s!
    Why there is tons of russians living in baltics if people hated them? In reality there are so many mixed families, they are not living in the ghetto. Only old people tend not to learn local language and that pisses us off. How would You feel if I would only speak Latvian with everyone if I would be living in Moscow?

    Our problem is that we are going past politics into ethnical confrontation like that Latvian cunt did. Just to widen the gap between people who live there.

    I agree with almost everything you said. But going back to the woman, you're wrong.. she's actually making perfect sense.

    She's quite right that Orthodox Christmas is a consequence of the Soviet 'occupation'.
    It's just that you didn't quite understand her meaning.
    Which is that the people who today celebrate Orthodox Christmas are a consequence of the Soviet 'occupation' - i.e. Russians. And that Orthodox Christmas should not be celebrated, because it is Russians that celebrate it and Russians are occupants and should not be given the same rights and privileges as Latvians, and that anything associated with the occupants cannot be accepted in Latvian society whether the Russian language or Orthodox Christmas; because to do that would mean accepting them as countrymen and that cannot be allowed.. they should be made as uncomfortable as possible in the hopes that they will emigrate and leave the country, or assimilate totally and forget their Russian identity and language.

    In actuality with such people the problem was never that they hated communism or the Soviet regime. I mean they did, but the core of the problem is that they hated Russians and always have, and always will. Occupation has nothing to do with it. Occupation/annexation by a lesser culture/people does. If they were occupied and owned by Swedes, Americans, Germans.. as is effectively today - there would be no complaints at all because these people look up to those cultures; whereas Russians they see as primitive barbarians. They are Nazis and for that there is no cure; we simply have to fight and destroy them.

    I am of course not talking about all Balts, or most of them. Just in the same way that most Ukrainians are not Nazis - but nevertheless the Banderites are numerous and have come to rule the land - and there cannot be any negotiation with them either; they just have to be fought, defeated, killed or captured, brought to trial, etc.. every single one, and for all of them to face justice.

    You need to excise such people from your society. Clowns like Zhirinovski, and Russian nationalists do not have any sway in Russian politics. However, this bitch and her ilk form the state policy of the Baltic states - and yes, they are leading things to an ethnic confrontation, a confrontation between the people in your own country - just like in the Ukraine.


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    Post  higurashihougi Sun Jan 04, 2015 2:10 pm

    Okay... according to that woman, the Russian and Asian people have the right to ban Catholics and Protestants because these are the religion of the U.S., UK, France... who occupied colonies and killed a lot of native people Cool Cool Cool Cool

    So when IS murders Christians... that woman and similar scums should not complain Cool Cool Cool Cool

    This is clearly violation agaisnt freedom of religion, and I don't know what the so-called "fighters of the Free World" should say.
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    Post  sepheronx Sun Jan 04, 2015 3:07 pm

    flamming_python wrote:Is there any proof for the government buying up those shares? Some official statements or info from another source?

    Forgive me but all these 'Putin's grandmaster thinking cannot be fully comprehended by us mere mortals' articles don't inspire believability.

    They are not going to outright say it, and I do believe some of the comments are exaggerated, but I theorized prior to this events that Rus gov would allow companies and stocks to go under and buy them back at a mere fraction of the cost. Seems this is what they did. But there is still over $500B of private debt that will either need tk default on or something else.
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    Post  par far Sun Jan 04, 2015 3:22 pm

    flamming_python wrote:Is there any proof for the government buying up those shares? Some official statements or info from another source?

    Forgive me but all these 'Putin's grandmaster thinking cannot be fully comprehended by us mere mortals' articles don't inspire believability.


    I hope something can do further research on this(I will try to do this), I don't know why the main stream media is not reporting on this?
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    Post  par far Sun Jan 04, 2015 3:42 pm

    sepheronx wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:Is there any proof for the government buying up those shares? Some official statements or info from another source?

    Forgive me but all these 'Putin's grandmaster thinking cannot be fully comprehended by us mere mortals' articles don't inspire believability.

    They are not going to outright say it, and I do believe some of the comments are exaggerated, but I theorized prior to this events that Rus gov would allow companies and stocks to go under and buy them back at a mere fraction of the cost. Seems this is what they did. But there is still over $500B of private debt that will either need tk default on or something else.



    What happens if they default?
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    Post  par far Sun Jan 04, 2015 4:33 pm

    Listening to Webster Tarpley, I think the plan to lower the value of Russian stocks to very low and make it ripe for the Russian government to buy them cheap was planned by the Russian government. I think Dmitry Medvedev was on purpose saying what the traitor Kudrin was saying and it worked it, it helped Russia buy the stocks at low prices.

    If you listen to the January 3, 2015 broadcast and start at 23:00(although I highly recommend you listen to the whole broadcast) you will hear Tarpley say Medvedev was repeating what the traitor Kudrin was saying and I think Medvedev was saying this on purpose in order to lower the value of Russian stocks held by people outside of Russia, so the Russian government could buy them cheap.



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