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    Post  GarryB Fri Jul 31, 2020 9:18 am

    In Holes post above the rear of the vehicle shows it stores the mortars base plate on the rear of the chassis, so the mortar is clearly dismountable... which raises a few interesting questions.

    Does it have a breach loading weapon in the turret and an 82mm standard mortar tube elsewhere on the vehicle that can be used separately or is the turret mounted mortar dismountable and therefore both breach loaded and perhaps muzzle loaded too?

    I suspect this is effectively an 82mm mortar made more mobile like putting a ZU-23-2 on the back of a truck... but with a HMG machine gun in support...

    In terms of armour penetration it would only make sense with direct fire rounds, which could be quite potent firing from behind some cover... but purely self defence.

    For guided top attack you would need 120mm calibre... although those new Bulat missiles are probably between 57mm and 75mm, and the new 57mm rounds they are developing could use improved ammo solutions that could be applied to an 82mm weapon...
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    Post  Cyberspec Fri Jul 31, 2020 9:20 am

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    Post  d_taddei2 Fri Jul 31, 2020 10:39 am

    GarryB wrote:In Holes post above the rear of the vehicle shows it stores the mortars base plate on the rear of the chassis, so the mortar is clearly dismountable... which raises a few interesting questions.

    Does it have a breach loading weapon in the turret and an 82mm standard mortar tube elsewhere on the vehicle that can be used separately or is the turret mounted mortar dismountable and therefore both breach loaded and perhaps muzzle loaded too?

    I suspect this is effectively an 82mm mortar made more mobile like putting a ZU-23-2 on the back of a truck... but with a HMG machine gun in support...

    In terms of armour penetration it would only make sense with direct fire rounds, which could be quite potent firing from behind some cover... but purely self defence.

    For guided top attack you would need 120mm calibre... although those new Bulat missiles are probably between 57mm and 75mm, and the new 57mm rounds they are developing could use improved ammo solutions that could be applied to an 82mm weapon...


    In Afghanistan the Soviets used direct fire role to useful effect in protecting outposts. You have the added benefit of a weapon that can be used direct and indirect and being automatic can put down a lot of rounds.

    I saw the base plate as well interesting.

    Of course direct fire at this kind of penetration is only good for light armour, light buildings, sandbag nests.
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    Post  GarryB Sat Aug 01, 2020 3:59 am

    That is what I was thinking... in the direct fire 100mm of penetration is not going to be useful even on some BMPs... so the direct fire usefulness would be limited in terms of anti armour use.

    The RPG-16 had a 57mm calibre rocket and it got much better penetration than 100mm, so I suspect an 82mm round developed these days should also do better, but we agree it is not going to be turning back an Abrams or Leopard attack... I would think carrying extra HE rounds and taking down supporting infantry and light vehicles would be a more suitable use....


    This is probably not a base defence vehicle... a turret with a 30mm cannon and some Kornets would be far more useful, but as you can see the range of turrets is expanding... this turret could be used on a much heavier vehicle like a Boomerang or even BTR-82 with the bigger vehicle carrying rather more ammo...

    This could be the Typhoon light highly mobile... likely parachute droppable self propelled mortar member of the family that could zip around and attack targets from different directions. With each vehicle having GLONASS, when HQ gets a support request it can look at its map and determine which vehicles are in range and send them the propellent charge size, the angle and elevation to target and a timing so that if four different vehicles in four separate locations are attacking a single target probably from different distances that they can time the shots so all of the first four rounds fired land on target at the same time... in fact with a mortar they can probably calculate the first three shots from each vehicle all landing at the same time... so 12 rounds all landing at once... and then they can drive off...
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    Post  Hole Sun Aug 23, 2020 10:35 pm

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    Post  Hole Sun Aug 30, 2020 8:29 pm

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    Post  Hole Sun Aug 30, 2020 8:30 pm

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    Post  Isos Sun Aug 30, 2020 9:19 pm

    1.2t weight. According to Rob Lee on twitter they are made to be carried by helicopters.
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    Post  GarryB Mon Aug 31, 2020 9:16 am

    So one carries Kornet missiles and launcher as well as PK machine gun and Kord HMG, while the other has a 120mm mortar and a PK machine gun...

    Nice.

    Both have MGs for self defence but having a Kord with a Kornet is a good idea because Kornet is a direct line of sight weapon.

    The 120mm mortar vehicle is interesting too but it can hide behind all sorts of things and still receive target information and fire at targets...

    Cool.

    At 1.2 tons a Ka-226T could almost cart these around.... 1.1 tons with the 540hp French engines... I wonder how it would go with 800hp VK-800V engines....
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    Post  medo Mon Aug 31, 2020 9:38 am

    I wonder where Russia intend to use them. They are clearly for warm or tropic environment and not for Russian Siberian winter.
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    Post  Hole Mon Aug 31, 2020 11:57 am

    Well, they could wear a coat. Very Happy
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    Post  flamming_python Mon Aug 31, 2020 12:34 pm

    medo wrote:I wonder where Russia intend to use them. They are clearly for warm or tropic environment and not for Russian Siberian winter.

    Central Asia, Africa, Syria

    Take your pick

    Anywhere where you don't have the need or the logistics capacity for a full-on VDV force, but can fit a rapid-reaction helicopter-born battalion in for rapid reaction and mobility.
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    Post  GarryB Wed Sep 16, 2020 6:16 am

    Interesting... the scortch marks around the lower portion of the tube suggest when it is mounted in the turret it is breech loaded, but clearly they fit it with a butt plug for firing when deployed from the vehicle and muzzle loaded like a conventional mortar.

    Nice... thanks for posting...

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