GarryB wrote:Lots of words to say nothing, GarryB. If you think that to avoid if possible to enter inside the range of the weapons of the adversary is to be paper focused you are full wrong. This is a basic rule to follow for every unit and soldier on the battlefield.
After all you said, the 2S41 keeps the same weaknesses.
Perhaps if you read what I said and tried to understand what I was trying to say there would be a point in discussing this with you.
Please list an armoured vehicle in current VDV service that carries a weapon that out ranges this 6km ranged gun and would therefore be safe from enemy ATGMs.
The M1A2 Abrams can hit targets at 10km with HE shells so it cannot possibly have been destroyed in combat with Konkurs... which has a range of about 4km... which I am sure you will notice is less than the 6km range of this 82mm calibre weapon.
On a real battlefield there are weapons firing all the time... the launch of an ATGM from more than 2km away is actually rather difficult to notice... even more so inside an armoured vehicle.
Can you tell me how a 120mm gun with a range of 13km will make the crew of a vehicle safe from ATGMs when the main guns of tanks can hit point targets out to 10km or more with HE shells and we have seen that no ground vehicle is safe from ATGMs?
With the application of the most modern Rocket Assisted Projectile technologies, the 120mm mortars can reach 17.5 Km of range, like the 2S34 does and like the 2S42 will do (both with the 2A80 weapon). The application of the same technologies to the 125mm caliber would make this caliber outranges the 120mm caliber.
The 120mm caliber would be in disaddvantage vs the 125mm caliber in the long term, but do not pretend to say that it is the same the range of the 2S42 and the 2S41 of 82mm. You should know that in a war like the war in Syria the 2S42 would be almost untouchable using its range, only a few BM-21, 2S1, D-30 and M-46 in the hands of the rebels would be able to afford its range. The 2S41 instead, would be in constant danger every time it has to fire, being significantly less powerful. This is the difference between both in the real world.