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    Post  volna Sun Sep 07, 2014 3:07 pm

    fragmachine wrote:Is there any info about Armata tank armour? How will it fare against Leo 6 or Abrams? It will most probably be mixed with ceramics, steel plates/some sort of newly developed special material + Relikt, right?

    Drop in anything you know below Smile
    No info about the new composite but the basic armor will made of new steel 44S-sv-Sh
    http://www.vestnik-rm.ru/news-4-8773.htm
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    Post  fragmachine Sun Sep 07, 2014 4:06 pm

    Yeah, I heard about that steel. It could still be lighter by few tons and better protected than Abrams. Would make sense to make special heavy versions of Armata with better protection to serve in western district and some lighter versions for east of country.
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    Post  Mike E Sun Sep 07, 2014 6:14 pm

    That new steel and composite should do a great job together.... Even then Relikt will be doing the dirty work.
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    Post  Vann7 Sun Sep 07, 2014 10:25 pm



    Will the ARmata tank will have enough protection on its turret against Top attack weapons? or will it depends of active defenses like arena?
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    Post  AlfaT8 Sun Sep 07, 2014 10:28 pm

    Vann7 wrote:
    Will the ARmata tank will have enough protection on its turret against Top attack weapons? or will it depends of active defenses like arena?
    Probably both, better safe then sorry.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Sun Sep 07, 2014 10:35 pm

    Vann7 wrote:

    Will the ARmata tank will have enough protection on its turret against Top attack weapons? or will it depends of active defenses like arena?

    A) Top armor ERA

    B) Afghanistan
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    Post  Werewolf Sun Sep 07, 2014 10:38 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    Vann7 wrote:

    Will the ARmata tank will have enough protection on its turret against Top attack weapons? or will it depends of active defenses like arena?

    A) Top armor ERA

    B) Afghanistan

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    Post  George1 Fri Sep 12, 2014 3:24 pm

    Armata-based new combat vehicles to be displayed in 2015 Victory Parade

    BAKU, September 12. /ITAR-TASS/. A family of new combat vehicles based on the universal platform Armata will be displayed at a Victory Parade in 2015, Oleg Siyenko, General Director of the Uralvagonzavod (UVZ) research and production corporation, told ITAR-TASS in an exclusive interview at the ADEX-2014 international exhibition of armaments.

    "All works are proceeding according to schedule. A whole family of armored vehicles based on the Armata platform will be displayed in a Victory Parade next year," Siyenko said.
    Infantry combat vehicle "Atom" to be displayed in action at IDEX-2015 in Abu Dhabi

    The UVZ general director pointed out that there would be not only a main battle tank (MBT), but also other crawler-mounted combat vehicles. "Everything connected with the track layer is our business. An amored personnel carrier (APC) Kurganets is being developed by other enteprises," the UVZ chief said.

    Siyenko said earlier work was being conducted at a priority pace. "Everything is proceeding in line with the contract. Work is being done ahead of schedule. We get ahead of all schedules," he said. The UVZ general director also pointed out that all Armata characteristics, which were inherent in the Defense Ministry's technical specifications, are being confirmed during tests.

    The newest MBT Armata has been developed by UVZ specialists on the basis of a heavy-duty platform of the same name. The platform is to be used for the development of a main battle tank, infantry combat vehicle, a heavy APC, a tank support combat vehicle, an armored repair-and-evacuation vehicle, a chassis for self-propelled artillery mounts, etc. The MBT will have a 125mm gun, remote-controlled and fully digitalized. The crew will operate the gun from an isolated armored capsule.
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    Post  Vann7 Wed Sep 24, 2014 1:25 am


    Does russian MOD have said how many armata main battle tanks they will order for the army?
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    Post  Zivo Wed Sep 24, 2014 4:14 am

    Vann7 wrote:
    Does russian MOD have said how many armata main battle tanks they will order for the army?

    The last figure I've heard was 2,500 Armata's in various configurations. I would guess they're aiming for around 500 MBT's over the next decade. Who really knows though...
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    Post  Vympel Thu Oct 02, 2014 6:38 am

    http://rostechnologiesblog.wordpress.com/2014/10/01/development-work-for-armata-tank-to-be-completed-until-2016/

    Development work on the creation of new generation tank “Armata” will be completed by the end of 2015, told the Chief of Land Forces, Colonel General Oleg Salyukov.

    Earlier, Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin has repeatedly stated that the tank on the new platform “Armata” will be first shown to the public on May 9, 2015 Victory Parade.

    “At the moment the development work continues on the development of advanced models of armored equipment, including tanks and APCs “Armata”, BMP “Kurganets-25″ and BTR “Boomerang”, the completion of which is scheduled for the end of next year,” said Salyukov.

    Does this mean we won't see Armata at the May 9 Parade next year?
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    Post  TR1 Thu Oct 02, 2014 6:41 am

    Good. Showing off several barely tested prototypes is just dumb.

    And anything that makes Rogozin look stupid is good in my book.
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    Post  Vympel Thu Oct 02, 2014 6:46 am

    TR1 wrote:Good. Showing off several barely tested prototypes is just dumb.

    And anything that makes Rogozin look stupid is good in my book.

    It was more of a question than a statement, but it would be highly embarrassing if one of the prototypes broke down on the parade! Smile

    (this is highly unlikely to happen, but they keep ARVs on hand at every parade for a reason)
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    Post  Austin Thu Oct 02, 2014 7:06 am

    I think what he means is state test will end by end of 2015.

    That does not mean that tank cant be shown in May 2015.

    A tank test is a long process which is done in many climatic condition and run for many thousand km and is time consuming , does not mean that the tank will break down just that they need to mandatory need to go through it to get stastical data on multiple component and test point
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    Post  Vympel Thu Oct 02, 2014 7:08 am

    Austin wrote:I think what he means is state test will end by end of 2015.

    That does not mean that tank cant be shown in May 2015.

    A tank test is a long process which is done in many climatic condition and run for many thousand km and is time consuming , does not mean that the tank will break down just that they need to mandatory need to go through it to get stastical data on multiple component and test point

    I really hope we get to see it next year, irrespective of their being still in testing. The Armata, Kurganets-25 & Bumerang all making their debut appearance on 9 May next year always sounded too good to be true.

    In the meantime I note my post in the other thread that T-72B3 and BTR-82A procurement is to continue - together with resumption of BMP-3 purchases, together with modernized BMP-2s.
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    Post  TR1 Thu Oct 02, 2014 7:20 am

    So they say, we will see if it really materializes.

    BMP-2 "modernization" so far has been barely anything more than Kapremont + new radios.
    BMP-3 story has been on and off for years. And with the sort of purchase tempo, I doubt they can even acquire that many in a few years.

    T-72B3 is an upgrade so that makes sense, considering dissapearing T-80.
    BTR-82 is part new part upgraded, but there are so many wheeled chassis the army needs to replace I don't really have any issue with them buying new ones when Boomerang is around the corner. Total chassis unification is a pipe-dream in the near/mid future anyways, and BTR-82s are cheap compared to BMP-3 anyways.

    EDIT: Don't worry, you will see the wheeled and tracked chassis next year, there will be leaks, pokazuha and video segments. I guarantee it. Full Armata? Well, that depends on how much of a secret they want to keep.
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    Post  Austin Thu Oct 02, 2014 7:26 am

    Until 2020, the Ground Forces of the Russian Federation will receive 5 thousand. Units of new armored vehicles


    http://itar-tass.com/politika/1478134





    MOSCOW, October 1. / TASS /. Land Forces of the Russian Federation until 2020 will get adopted 5 thousand. Units of new armored vehicles and 6 th. Upgraded specimens. Including T-72B3 tanks and infantry fighting vehicles BMP-3, told the Chief of Land Forces, Colonel-General Oleg Salyukov.

    He recalled that the decision of the President of the Russian Federation up to 2020 ground forces should be equipped with modern weapons and military equipment by 70%.


    For this purpose, said the general, "is planned to purchase the upgraded T-72B3, perfectly proved themselves to compete in Biathlon Tank, as well as during the exercises" Vostok-2014 ", infantry fighting vehicles BMP-3, the upgraded BMP-2, BTR -82A. "


    In this case, the commander in chief said that "the purchase of BMP-3 and resumed the next year they are to be supplied as kit (battalions) in units of the Land Forces."
    "A total of 2020 is planned to buy more than 5 thousand. New and about 6 thousand. Revised pieces of armored military vehicles, as well as about 14 thousand. Units of contemporary models of motor vehicles", - concluded the Commander.


    Delivery "Iskander-M"


    The following year, the Ground Forces of the Russian Federation will have to adopt two sets of brigade tactical missile complexes "Iskander-M". - One for the Southern Military District, the second - for the East, said Salyukov.


    "In 2015 it is planned to supply two sets of missile formations Southern and Eastern military districts," - he said.



    Salyukov recalled that, in accordance with the long-term government contract has been delivered to the army brigade sets of four missile complexes "Iskander-M". "By the end of this year planned delivery of another set for missile formation of the Central Military District," - added Salyukov.


    As reported earlier TASS in the company - the manufacturer complexes "Iskander-M" "KBM" one brigade set includes 12 self-propelled launchers (on wheeled tractor), 12 transport-charging machines, 11 command post vehicles, 14 cars livelihood, one preparation of the information item, one car-routine maintenance, military reserve missiles of two types - aeroballistic and cruise.


    Under contract with the Ministry of Defense, signed in 2011, "KBM" must deliver an annual two brigade sets. According to open sources, the 2013 brigade sets of complexes "Iskander-M" entered into service of the 107th Missile Brigade (Birobidzhan) and 1st Missile Brigade (Krasnodar). In the current year, "Iskander" entered service 112 missile brigade (Shuya). Earlier, in 2011, to the brigade was beefed up 26 Missile Brigade in Luga.


    "Iskander-M" is much greater than the best foreign analogues in its class in terms of accuracy, efficiency, effectiveness training missiles for launch, and other characteristics. Additionally, missile launcher may be equipped with different types of missiles. "Iskander-M" has a high probability of overcoming anti-missile defenses. The missile maneuvers with high congestion and flies through the unpredictable path to the enemy.


    In the future, the complex will be the basis of missile units of the Land Forces of Russia.


    32 tanks "Armata"


    The first batch of new tanks on the basis of a universal platform heavy "Armata", which will go to the Land Forces of the Russian Federation on the basis of the state tests, will consist of 32 cars.


    Salyukov recalled that "currently ongoing development activities (R & D) to create advanced models of armored vehicles, including tanks and APCs" Armata "BMP" Kurganets-25 "BTR" Boomerang "." Completion is scheduled for OCD end of next year, "- said Salyukov.




    "After the state testing in the interests of the Land Forces will be purchased by one battalion data set of machines for carrying out their experimental military operation at all stages of combat training as part of units. According to the results will be determined by their purpose and further shipments" - added Salyukov.


    The battalion set of armor in the Russian Armed Forces has 32 machines.
    State tests of tanks can last a year or more. For example, the state tests the basic T-90 tank lasted from January 1989 to March 1991. In this war machine was tested to its limits. Tank carried many kilometers marches in various ranges in different climatic conditions.


    At the same time could be simulated emergency situations - for example, breaking the engine cooling system, which can occur in combat. The tank was tested for strength - it fired shells and rockets of various calibers of anti complexes, exploding mines. Checked armament of the tank - the shooting was carried out by all kinds of shells. Leak tested T-90 underwater.


    Unified platform "Armata" developed "Uralvagonzavod". At its base is planned to create a wide range of armored vehicles, including main battle tank, armored infantry fighting vehicle tank support, chassis for self-propelled artillery, and others. According to some reports, the tank on the platform "Armata" were armed with 152-mm cannon and uninhabited tower, the crew at the same time will be in bronekapsuly.

    Not exclude the purchase of "Terminator 2"


    Land Forces of the Russian Federation are considering the purchase of tank support combat vehicle (BMPT) "Terminator 2".



    We are considering military vehicle tank support" Terminator 2 "for the Army. Question for its further use will be decided after the completion of the definition of long-term appearance of the Ground Forces," - said Salyukov.


    BMPT-72 "Terminator 2" was presented in 2013 at an arms fair in Nizhny Tagil. This machine has a high level of firepower, protection, command handling, can effectively solve the problem of the fire support of tanks and infantry in all kinds of combat operations, in different climatic zones, at any time of the day. In "Terminator 2" as opposed to the previous model improved the system of orientation and fire control.
    BMPT "Terminator 2" is not accepted by the Russian Army.


    BTR-90 will not be purchased until


    Ground forces are not planning to buy the BTR-90.Answering the question of whether it planned to resume the supply of troops in armored personnel carriers BTR-90, Salyukov said: "At the moment we buy the BTR-82A, in which the maximum account of developments on a range of weapons, fire control system, security, mobility, and command-control."


    BTR-90 - Tactical Wheeled Vehicle development Gorky Automobile Plant. Compared with the BTR-80 is a new machine significantly enhanced armor, the new APC was a V-shaped bottom to strengthen the protection of a landmine explosion, stabilizing arms, BTR-90 has a higher maneuverability due to rotation of the wheels of different boards in different directions, other benefits .


    Originally it was planned that the serial production of the BTR-90 for the Russian army will begin in 2011. However, later the Ministry of Defence refused to procurement of armored personnel carriers, as well as its exports.
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    Post  Vympel Thu Oct 02, 2014 8:15 am

    TR1 wrote:So they say, we will see if it really materializes.

    BMP-2 "modernization" so far has been barely anything more than Kapremont + new radios.
    BMP-3 story has been on and off for years. And with the sort of purchase tempo, I doubt they can even acquire that many in a few years.

    What does Kapremont mean? Refit/ overhaul / worn out shit replacement, like the US does to its vehicles under the "reset" name?

    Anyway, I like small scale modernisations, like the T-72B3, or the renewal of old BMD-1s into BMD-2s. Fitting a BMP-2 with say the this is not cost effective.

    EDIT: Don't worry, you will see the wheeled and tracked chassis next year, there will be leaks, pokazuha and video segments. I guarantee it. Full Armata? Well, that depends on how much of a secret they want to keep.

    Can't wait.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Thu Oct 02, 2014 8:21 am

    TR1 wrote:Good. Showing off several barely tested prototypes is just dumb.

    And anything that makes Rogozin look stupid is good in my book.

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    Post  Asf Thu Oct 02, 2014 8:35 am

    What does Kapremont mean?

    overhaul in russian ('kapital remont' e.g. 'capital repair')


    Can't wait.

    As a men partly involved in the construction process of one of the unified platforms I can guarantee you'll see them during the 2015 parade.
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    Post  TR1 Thu Oct 02, 2014 9:07 am

    Austin wrote:Until 2020, the Ground Forces of the Russian Federation will receive 5 thousand. Units of new armored vehicles


    http://itar-tass.com/politika/1478134




    MOSCOW, October 1.  / TASS /.  Land Forces of the Russian Federation until 2020 will get adopted 5 thousand. Units of new armored vehicles and 6 th. Upgraded specimens.  Including T-72B3 tanks and infantry fighting vehicles BMP-3, told the Chief of Land Forces, Colonel-General Oleg Salyukov.

    He recalled that the decision of the President of the Russian Federation up to 2020 ground forces should be equipped with modern weapons and military equipment by 70%.


    For this purpose, said the general, "is planned to purchase the upgraded T-72B3, perfectly proved themselves to compete in Biathlon Tank, as well as during the exercises" Vostok-2014 ", infantry fighting vehicles BMP-3, the upgraded BMP-2, BTR -82A. "


    In this case, the commander in chief said that "the purchase of BMP-3 and resumed the next year they are to be supplied as kit (battalions) in units of the Land Forces."
    "A total of 2020 is planned to buy more than 5 thousand. New and about 6 thousand. Revised pieces of armored military vehicles, as well as about 14 thousand. Units of contemporary models of motor vehicles", - concluded the Commander.


    Delivery "Iskander-M"




    The following year, the Ground Forces of the Russian Federation will have to adopt two sets of brigade tactical missile complexes "Iskander-M".  - One for the Southern Military District, the second - for the East, said Salyukov.


    "In 2015 it is planned to supply two sets of missile formations Southern and Eastern military districts," - he said.



    Salyukov recalled that, in accordance with the long-term government contract has been delivered to the army brigade sets of four missile complexes "Iskander-M".  "By the end of this year planned delivery of another set for missile formation of the Central Military District," - added Salyukov.


    As reported earlier TASS in the company - the manufacturer complexes "Iskander-M" "KBM" one brigade set includes 12 self-propelled launchers (on wheeled tractor), 12 transport-charging machines, 11 command post vehicles, 14 cars livelihood, one preparation of the information item, one car-routine maintenance, military reserve missiles of two types - aeroballistic and cruise.


    Under contract with the Ministry of Defense, signed in 2011, "KBM" must deliver an annual two brigade sets.  According to open sources, the 2013 brigade sets of complexes "Iskander-M" entered into service of the 107th Missile Brigade (Birobidzhan) and 1st Missile Brigade (Krasnodar).  In the current year, "Iskander" entered service 112 missile brigade (Shuya).  Earlier, in 2011, to the brigade was beefed up 26 Missile Brigade in Luga.


    "Iskander-M" is much greater than the best foreign analogues in its class in terms of accuracy, efficiency, effectiveness training missiles for launch, and other characteristics.  Additionally, missile launcher may be equipped with different types of missiles.  "Iskander-M" has a high probability of overcoming anti-missile defenses.  The missile maneuvers with high congestion and flies through the unpredictable path to the enemy.


    In the future, the complex will be the basis of missile units of the Land Forces of Russia.


    32 tanks "Armata"




    The first batch of new tanks on the basis of a universal platform heavy "Armata", which will go to the Land Forces of the Russian Federation on the basis of the state tests, will consist of 32 cars.


    Salyukov recalled that "currently ongoing development activities (R & D) to create advanced models of armored vehicles, including tanks and APCs" Armata "BMP" Kurganets-25 "BTR" Boomerang "." Completion is scheduled for OCD end of next year, "- said Salyukov.




    "After the state testing in the interests of the Land Forces will be purchased by one battalion data set of machines for carrying out their experimental military operation at all stages of combat training as part of units. According to the results will be determined by their purpose and further shipments" - added Salyukov.


    The battalion set of armor in the Russian Armed Forces has 32 machines.
    State tests of tanks can last a year or more.  For example, the state tests the basic T-90 tank lasted from January 1989 to March 1991.  In this war machine was tested to its limits.  Tank carried many kilometers marches in various ranges in different climatic conditions.


    At the same time could be simulated emergency situations - for example, breaking the engine cooling system, which can occur in combat.  The tank was tested for strength - it fired shells and rockets of various calibers of anti complexes, exploding mines.  Checked armament of the tank - the shooting was carried out by all kinds of shells.  Leak tested T-90 underwater.


    Unified platform "Armata" developed "Uralvagonzavod".  At its base is planned to create a wide range of armored vehicles, including main battle tank, armored infantry fighting vehicle tank support, chassis for self-propelled artillery, and others. According to some reports, the tank on the platform "Armata" were armed with 152-mm cannon and uninhabited tower, the crew at the same time will be in bronekapsuly.

    Not exclude the purchase of "Terminator 2"




    Land Forces of the Russian Federation are considering the purchase of tank support combat vehicle (BMPT) "Terminator 2".



    We are considering military vehicle tank support" Terminator 2 "for the Army. Question for its further use will be decided after the completion of the definition of long-term appearance of the Ground Forces," - said Salyukov.


    BMPT-72 "Terminator 2" was presented in 2013 at an arms fair in Nizhny Tagil.  This machine has a high level of firepower, protection, command handling, can effectively solve the problem of the fire support of tanks and infantry in all kinds of combat operations, in different climatic zones, at any time of the day.  In "Terminator 2" as opposed to the previous model improved the system of orientation and fire control.
    BMPT "Terminator 2" is not accepted by the Russian Army.


    BTR-90 will not be purchased until




    Ground forces are not planning to buy the BTR-90.Answering the question of whether it planned to resume the supply of troops in armored personnel carriers BTR-90, Salyukov said: "At the moment we buy the BTR-82A, in which the maximum account of developments on a range of weapons, fire control system, security, mobility, and command-control."


    BTR-90 - Tactical Wheeled Vehicle development Gorky Automobile Plant.  Compared with the BTR-80 is a new machine significantly enhanced armor, the new APC was a V-shaped bottom to strengthen the protection of a landmine explosion, stabilizing arms, BTR-90 has a higher maneuverability due to rotation of the wheels of different boards in different directions, other benefits .


    Originally it was planned that the serial production of the BTR-90 for the Russian army will begin in 2011.  However, later the Ministry of Defence refused to procurement of armored personnel carriers, as well as its exports.

    The fact that the article even brings up the BTR-90 brings a LOT of the claims into question.

    T-72B3 did great in the biathlon? It drove fast, that is about it.

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    Post  George1 Tue Oct 14, 2014 2:49 pm

    "Armata" will be equipped with unique high-strength armor
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    Post  Austin Sat Oct 18, 2014 4:31 pm

    More details on


    State contracts for "Armata" and "Kurganets-25"


    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1026260.html
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    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt Sun Oct 19, 2014 7:21 am

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    Not very accurate.
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    Post  GarryB Sun Oct 19, 2014 9:10 am

    So not much new in the contracts... UVZ will build Armata and Kurganets will build Kurganets...

    No real shocks there....

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