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    Post  GarryB Thu Jul 03, 2014 12:46 pm

    He also says AESA data plus optical system of fire-control system will be used for 3D picture of the battlefield. Seems like sci-fi.

    Awesome but significant.

    Tank commanders through the ages have taken the risk of poking their vulnerable heads out the top of tank turrets to get that superior view of the battlefield that the top of the turret provides... lots of tank commanders were killed that way... they are not stupid, but the advantage of getting a birds eye view of the battlefield is worth its weight in gold to a tank commander.

    Obviously with Armata MBT and other MBT vehicles with a remote gun and no crew in the turret to keep them away from the ammo the tank commander can't stick his head out the top of the turret, so the next best thing is cameras and it seems radar giving a full 360 degree view around the tank from the top of the tank turret... which should be visible to all three crew members.

    In the current crew configuration the commander would often direct the driver about paths from cover to cover because his view of the terrain ahead was rather better than the driver down in the hull.

    Now the driver should be able to handle the driving himself.

    With the remote gun design there was talk of a 24/7 design where the vehicle was operated at any one time by two of the crewmen, where one would act as commander and the other driver because a lot of the time tanks just manouver and observe and only occasionally engage enemy targets. When in direct combat with the enemy then all three would work together, but the rest of the time one could be resting.

    The unified control stations mean the crew can change jobs without moving from their seat so the idea was that one person would be commander and one driver with the third taking a break. After long periods of battle it would mean some of the crew are rested and more alert.

    With modern auto tracking software a gunner is reasonably redundant as the commander can select ammo type and target and let the gun track the target and push a fire button to engage. In fact the driver could press the fire button to engage while the commander is looking for threats or targets.

    "New target found - Destroy / Abort / Ignore" ? )))

    Hope it is not Windows...

    Adding a 152mm gun could be a mistake anyway. I doubt it could hold many rounds, unless they come up with a great idea.

    I suspect it depends on what the next generation western armour looks like... if they go for 100 ton monsters with enormous armoured fronts then a calibre increase for main gun will make sense... certainly in terms of HEAT warhead such a calibre will be more powerful and more efficient, but naval work on EM propulsion and EM powered guns might make powder and liquid propellent conventional guns obsolete.

    the increased calibre will make individual rounds more lethal and certainly gun launched anti armour missiles more effective and capable.

    It would weigh more as well.

    With fully automated ammo handling weight should not be an issue, but introducing a new calibre would be expensive and likely only done when considered necessary.

    Russia will sell T-99 tanks like hotcakes. to India and China.

    The export tank for some time will be T-90MS.

    Also will be nice if the tank could receive
    images from an unmanned drone spy too flying above him,so it can have a full top view of the tank and the enemy movements.

    It is fully net centric and can receive video from nearby recon platforms including UAVs.

    <snip>-Given the current status of the MBT in the western hemisphere, I don't see the situation changing anytime soon.

    Agree.

    Armata offers more than the T-90MS, there's no way around it. However, it's a Russian tank, built for Russia's needs first and foremost. It's designed to operate as part of a larger system consisting of various Armata's serving multiple missions. The Armata family is the vehicle's strength, and without its family, it's just a really expensive tank. You wont benefit unless you have a few thousand of them, and the countries who can actually afford that, produce their own domestic MBT's.

    Exactly. The armata MBT likely will be as expensive as a modern western tank, but an armata IFV will be rather more expensive than a western IFV just on fuel consumption alone.

    I don't think the new vehicle families will be exported any time soon... upgrades of existing types are adequate for export for the next 5-10 years...

    T-64's and T-80's were never exported.

    Th T-72 was intended as a cheap mass production vehicle that could be exported. It was not a bad tank if you kept to the rules and followed a few guidelines... like no loose tank rounds in the crew compartment etc.

    They could make a less automated version... or add features to the T-90MS, like a simpler APS that can still stop APFSDS rounds but be different from that fitted to Armata...
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    Post  Asf Thu Jul 03, 2014 1:55 pm

    With modern auto tracking software a gunner is reasonably redundant as the commander can select ammo type and target and let the gun track the target and push a fire button to engage.

    Actually even an T72B3 can do it, so I do believe in 2-men crew rumours


    naval work on EM propulsion and EM powered guns might make powder and liquid propellent conventional guns obsolete.

    Until the major industrial revolution in an energy storage area it won't be possible for relatively small vehicles such as tanks. I do believe we'll soon see a liquid or gas propellent cannons everywhere


    the increased calibre will make individual rounds more lethal

    152 mm tank shells with programmed detonation will be like a direct-fire howitzers or even more powerful


    Given the current status of the MBT in the western hemisphere, I don't see the situation changing anytime soon. 
    Agree.

    What?! Have you forgotten about that polish armata-like stealth uber-tank?!  Smile  Armata couldn't see them on 3D panoram  Smile 


    or add features to the T-90MS, like a simpler APS that can still stop APFSDS rounds but be different from that fitted to Armata...

    It is possible to install APS on T90. You know, whose rumors told about new panoramic sights shown on tank biathlon is exactly what Armata gets now
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    Post  collegeboy16 Thu Jul 03, 2014 4:57 pm

    TR1 wrote:
    That is because it is.
    The initial version will be 3 man, and 125mm gun.
    They are talking about modernizing the gun and reducing crew @ the end of the decade (2018 according to the poster). Lots of time between then and now- but at the very least it does seem to be the direction the mil is interested in.

    As for the specifics of that "rumor"...well, it is a matter of some debate on Russian forums.
    i think it would be easy to implement the 2 man controls in an older armata(if they proceed with 3 man crew). you just take off the crew capsule, replace it with 2 man crew capsule with thicker sides filled with maybe composites like how you do with the seat of your car.
    gun modernization bit is interesting, could be about solid propellant ETC tech.
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    Post  Zivo Thu Jul 03, 2014 6:34 pm

    If the gunner ends up getting the cut, so will the commander's personal RWS. The Armata MBT will need an unconventional anti-infantry weapon arrangement.

    They may upgrade the coaxial weapon, or perhaps go the route of KBTM's proposal, and add dual auxiliary weapons to the roof which are slaved to the main gun. They're going to have to do something radical, a single 7.62mm machine gun isn't going to get the job done.

    Something that is worth mentioning, in many video games, tank crews consist of only two people. Since Armata is operated digitally, it could actually be similarly controlled. Hell, if it was controlled with a mouse and keyboard, the crews practically come pre-trained.

    Regarding the 152mm gun's ammo count, IIRC Object 195 carried 40 rounds.
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    Post  TR1 Thu Jul 03, 2014 9:45 pm

    [quote="Asf"]


    It is possible to install APS on T90. You know, whose rumors told about new panoramic sights shown on tank biathlon is exactly what Armata gets now

    That is why I hope those rumors are false.

    That bucket is embarrassing to put on an new gen tank.
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    Post  Mike E Fri Jul 04, 2014 12:45 am

    Zivo wrote:If the gunner ends up getting the cut, so will the commander's personal RWS. The Armata MBT will need an unconventional anti-infantry weapon arrangement.

    They may upgrade the coaxial weapon, or perhaps go the route of KBTM's proposal, and add dual auxiliary weapons to the roof which are slaved to the main gun. They're going to have to do something radical, a single 7.62mm machine gun isn't going to get the job done.

    Something that is worth mentioning, in many video games, tank crews consist of only two people. Since Armata is operated digitally, it could actually be similarly controlled. Hell, if it was controlled with a mouse and keyboard, the crews practically come pre-trained.

    Regarding the 152mm gun's ammo count, IIRC Object 195 carried 40 rounds.

    Isn't the Armata going to be smaller? At least that is what I thought.
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    Post  Zivo Fri Jul 04, 2014 1:44 am

    Mike E wrote:
    Zivo wrote:If the gunner ends up getting the cut, so will the commander's personal RWS. The Armata MBT will need an unconventional anti-infantry weapon arrangement.

    They may upgrade the coaxial weapon, or perhaps go the route of KBTM's proposal, and add dual auxiliary weapons to the roof which are slaved to the main gun. They're going to have to do something radical, a single 7.62mm machine gun isn't going to get the job done.

    Something that is worth mentioning, in many video games, tank crews consist of only two people. Since Armata is operated digitally, it could actually be similarly controlled. Hell, if it was controlled with a mouse and keyboard, the crews practically come pre-trained.

    Regarding the 152mm gun's ammo count, IIRC Object 195 carried 40 rounds.

    Isn't the Armata going to be smaller? At least that is what I thought.

    The hull will likely be the same width and height due to the crew capsule, but not as long as 195's hull. If armata ends up with a 152mm gun, the turret will probably be the same size.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Fri Jul 04, 2014 4:22 am

    Zivo wrote:
    Mike E wrote:
    Zivo wrote:If the gunner ends up getting the cut, so will the commander's personal RWS. The Armata MBT will need an unconventional anti-infantry weapon arrangement.

    They may upgrade the coaxial weapon, or perhaps go the route of KBTM's proposal, and add dual auxiliary weapons to the roof which are slaved to the main gun. They're going to have to do something radical, a single 7.62mm machine gun isn't going to get the job done.

    Something that is worth mentioning, in many video games, tank crews consist of only two people. Since Armata is operated digitally, it could actually be similarly controlled. Hell, if it was controlled with a mouse and keyboard, the crews practically come pre-trained.

    Regarding the 152mm gun's ammo count, IIRC Object 195 carried 40 rounds.

    Isn't the Armata going to be smaller? At least that is what I thought.

    The hull will likely be the same width and height due to the crew capsule, but not as long as 195's hull. If armata ends up with a 152mm gun, the turret will probably be the same size.

    Wouldn't it still be O.K. to have modified Armata bases, such as wider and longer chassis so long as they still share the same individual internal parts and spares, so long as they're the same size and dimension? What if they decide to make a test bed for a 80 ton tank to test the limits of the Armata chassis design (not likely to go in serial production), it's a 100% guarantee that the chassis will be wider (to minimize ground pressure) and most likely will be longer too.
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    Post  Asf Fri Jul 04, 2014 7:34 am

    2 man crew capsule with thicker sides

    It's not the matter of side armour thickness, I think, but geomentry - 2 men are easeir hide front armour "shield"


    That bucket is embarrassing to put on an new gen tank.

    What's wrong with "that bucket"? Still due to modular construction Armata can be upgraded easier, that older gen tanks, so newer sights can be installed after some real service time. Where is nothing perfect, there is always something to upgrade
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    Post  collegeboy16 Fri Jul 04, 2014 10:57 am

    Zivo wrote:If the gunner ends up getting the cut, so will the commander's personal RWS. The Armata MBT will need an unconventional anti-infantry weapon arrangement.

    They may upgrade the coaxial weapon, or perhaps go the route of KBTM's proposal, and add dual auxiliary weapons to the roof which are slaved to the main gun. They're going to have to do something radical, a single 7.62mm machine gun isn't going to get the job done.

    a 23/30 mm cannon loaded with HE-frag shells as coax would be nice. much more effective than MGs in close up combat and is effective up to 2km or slightly more. a 23mm gatling is nice tho it would eat up a lot of shells and is quite complex and expensive as a coax- better give them to armata BMPTs.

    Zivo wrote:
    Regarding the 152mm gun's ammo count, IIRC Object 195 carried 40 rounds.

    ive always wondered if the propellant stub's diameter is the same as the shell or larger like those in 125 mm.

    TR1 wrote:

    That is why I hope those rumors are false.

    That bucket is embarrassing to put on an new gen tank.
    x2, maybe the rumors are referring to the usage of panoramic thermals by T-72B4 and not the thermal sights itself.

    Asf wrote:
    It's not the matter of side armour thickness, I think, but geomentry - 2 men are easeir hide front armour "shield"
    true, but you also need to protect the ammo storage behind- its gonna be as high as the hull so the thicker sides would give a few degrees of oblique armor.
    Asf wrote:
    What's wrong with "that bucket"? Still due to modular construction Armata can be upgraded easier, that older gen tanks, so newer sights can be installed after some real service time. Where is nothing perfect, there is always something to upgrade
    its more of a budget panoramic camera- you want the best for your premier tank.
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    Post  Asf Fri Jul 04, 2014 11:45 am

    need to protect the ammo storage behind

    no ammo storage in the hull anymore as far as I can tell. Whole ammo load in the turret module, loading from a side blow-out hatch directly into the autoloader mechanism


    its more of a budget panoramic camera- you want the best for your premier tank.

    We have to use what he have, I think. It's always better to have a premier tank with so-so optics than not to have one only because you think all it's components aren't yet state-of-the-art level. We'll see, may be whose "T72B4" were not just a propaganda tanks but real-life tests of some of the component prototypes for Armata, and the serial vehicle will be modified during 2014-2015 with reworked components.
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    Post  GarryB Fri Jul 04, 2014 12:27 pm

    Actually even an T72B3 can do it, so I do believe in 2-men crew rumours

    The Shkval-M and SHkval of the Su-25TM and Ka-50 respectively were the first Soviet equipment to use an optical autotracker but these days even the guidance system of the Kornet-EM uses an autotracker... and TOR and Tunguska use it too.

    Modern Russian tanks fitted with Svir missiles also use it.

    Until the major industrial revolution in an energy storage area it won't be possible for relatively small vehicles such as tanks. I do believe we'll soon see a liquid or gas propellent cannons everywhere

    Actually a modern 50 ton class tank has a tank engine generating up to 2KW which is quite a lot of power already... a capacitor bank to store some more up and combine it for the shot... plus electric armour where inner plates and outer armour plates are charged up with incredibly enormous charges so a penetrator when it hits bridges the "contacts" and vapourises itself on 20 million volts... armata could be the first tank where the commander orders the driver to divert power from the cloaking system to the main gun and then perhaps to the shields for the return fire and then engines to get us out of here... Smile

    152 mm tank shells with programmed detonation will be like a direct-fire howitzers or even more powerful

    the much larger shell should allow for a more complex timer to be fitted... the more accurate the timer in the shell the more precisely the shell will detonate where it is supposed to.

    What?! Have you forgotten about that polish armata-like stealth uber-tank?! Smile Armata couldn't see them on 3D panoram Smile

    Of course it wont... it wont see any non operational prototype vehicles on drawing boards... Twisted Evil

    They may upgrade the coaxial weapon, or perhaps go the route of KBTM's proposal, and add dual auxiliary weapons to the roof which are slaved to the main gun. They're going to have to do something radical, a single 7.62mm machine gun isn't going to get the job done.

    I would like to see a PKT coaxial with 3-4 thousand rounds for soft targets but on the other side of the gun they could have a KPB HMG in 23 x 115mm calibre... a single barrel gun of moderate rate of fire and low muzzle velocity ( about 700m/s) but a heavy projectile with a good HE punch... the projectile is the same as that used in the far higher velocity 23mm round fired by the ZSU-23-4 and ZU-23.

    the ZSU-23-4 uses a 23 x 152mm round, but if you take the 23mm shell from that round and push it into a slightly expanded 14.5 x 114mm round you get the 23 x 115mm round.

    That is why I hope those rumors are false.

    That bucket is embarrassing to put on an new gen tank.

    They are added on to an existing design in the biathlon case... with the Armata MBT they should be better implemented and better integrated too.

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    Post  Asf Fri Jul 04, 2014 12:51 pm

     these days even the guidance system of the Kornet-EM uses an autotracker

    yep, it's "fire and forget" in the russian way (no need to waste a automatic guidance system with every misslie)


     2KW which is quite a lot of power already

    over 9000 electronic systems and movement still consumes much. Not to mention time needed to recharge capacitors on ships for a gauss cannon


    on the other side of the gun they could have a KPB HMG in 23 x 115mm calibre

    it's better to use small independent turret module for an autocannon
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Fri Jul 04, 2014 9:35 pm

    Armata Russian tanks are armored with a new 'Damascus steel'

    Russia has developed a new steel shields military equipment. The material will be used early in the futuristic Armata platform.


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    A group of Russian companies united under the Armata project, futuristic platform for Russian tanks and other armored vehicles, has developed a new type of steel that combines the strength of a knife with the flexibility of a nail , according to the manufacturers website Russian arms Novosti VPK . This is possible thanks to the brand new fine grain steel 44S-sv-Sh, developed by specialists Steel Research Institute, part of the industrial engineering group Tráktornye Zavody. Steel was created by Custom Uralvagonzavod, the largest manufacturer of Russian tanks and the main contractor of the Russian Defense Ministry to create the futuristic Armata platform , to be applied to a new range of military equipment. use of this new steel, which appeared in Russia for the first time about 30 years ago, will allow Armata 'lose' several hundred kilos. Though steel hardness 54HRC reach their plastic characteristics are maintained at the level of production of steels with hardness 45-48HRC. In other words, the characteristics of this steel are similar to those of the famous Damascus steel . Precisely this combination reduces the thickness of the shield by 15% (and therefore weight) without 'sacrificing' security features and survival at low temperatures. The first prototypes of tanks Armata will be shown on Day parade Victory in Moscow's Red Square on May 9, 2015.

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    Post  GarryB Sat Jul 05, 2014 9:31 am

    it's better to use small independent turret module for an autocannon

    Personally I would go for a light turret with the pano sights with a PKT and 40mm grenade launcher attached and a 23mm coaxial gun offering better stabilisation and recoil compensation on a mount that allowed extra elevation for the coaxial 23mm gun like the 30mm coaxial on the French AMX-30. The 23mm KPB is relatively short and low recoil with compact ammo that can be carried in large amounts.

    yep, it's "fire and forget" in the russian way (no need to waste a automatic guidance system with every misslie)

    Exactly... put the expensive stuff in the part that is reusable....

    over 9000 electronic systems and movement still consumes much. Not to mention time needed to recharge capacitors on ships for a gauss cannon


    Doesn't need to be pure electric... could use a gel or liquid propellent that is turned into a plasma with a high voltage charge.
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    Post  Austin Tue Jul 08, 2014 5:46 pm

    Interview Vyacheslav Halitov deputy. Director of SPC "Uralvagonzavod" for special equipment

    http://www.echo.msk.ru/programs/arsenal/1354580-echo/


    Has information on Armata and other things unfortunately transalator plays tricks
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    Post  Zivo Wed Jul 09, 2014 8:39 pm

    From Vitaly Ivanovich over at otvaga. Translated with Bing. Emphasis is my own.

    I. KOROTCHENKO: I cannot ask about fifth-generation tank "' Armata". How are things at work in this field?

    Fr. VASILY BOCHKARYOV: you mentioned only one kind of equipment the army is the main battle tank. Last 4 years we have the task to, in General, change the shape of the ground force weapons. You know, that we develop a new tank, new heavy ARMOURED VEHICLES, a new light ARMOURED VEHICLES, new ARMORED PERSONNEL CARRIERS, self-propelled artillery, a new installation, a new military automotive technology. All of this equipment, in addition to what will be the main combat unit, it will be a universal platform to unified solutions we can establish different systems. For example, military defence systems, control systems or communication systems, electronic warfare, and so concentrate on your question on "Armate", today we are in the schedule for this work. The ARMAT developed three types of machines. We get the modern tank, where important issues are resolved to protect the crew and his life. There are designs that allow the private capsule to protect from destruction and save the lives of the crew. The second challenge, which is solved-this is the correct location for the film. Have you seen the terrifying footage of two tanks t-72, which just razmetalo on the asphalt. This is just the result of hitting the ammunition of the RPG. Nothing remains from iron. You understand what's going on with people. Therefore, this vulnerability of today's machines. Our engineers have found very interesting, proper constructive decision, which allows us to solve this problem today. Plus new armor, new technical solutions to detect the enemy, new technical solutions related to the opportunity at greater distances more accurately destroy enemy running characteristics of the machine. In General, this technique is absolutely new. May 9, 2015 at the victory parade in honour of 70 years we are planning that this new technology will be held in red square. And our citizens in General will see the new look of ground force weapons. For us this is a very important date. For us, this is a very important milestone. And we are now very tight, persistently works to ensure that all this could have been resolved in the complex.

    And what will korotchenko calibre tank gun "' Armata"?

    Fr. VASILY BOCHKARYOV: calibre is the same as it was before-125 mm. When we tackled the question on creation of the new machine, it was very important to be able to use an old loads. We have certain accumulations. Agree that hard, if you make a new car, and then where to put the production which is now in stock. Because ammo is an accumulation that is always there in the warehouses of the Ministry of defence. Therefore, 125 mm calibre.

    And: Bronekapsula korotchenko really will ensure security in many situations of real fights?

    Fr. VASILY BOCHKARYOV: of course, we understand that hit a tank, you can. There are no miracles. Of course, also affected the tank on the battlefield, it can be hit and previews. When we say that we are creating new conditions for the crew, we're not saying that 100% of it is protected. But the level of protection we have raised several orders of magnitude. And anyway this achievement. And here it is very important to understand that we protect the crew from secondary fragments. This is very important because as a rule are not the ammunition, and secondary shrapnel, shards of armor, which hit the soldier inside the fighting compartment. So here is a solution that allows us to protect themselves from the case. It is clear that will blunt trauma, injury, but this is the life of a.

    And how korotchenko conditions of habitability in terms of ergonomics and comfort of the crew during the fighting?

    Fr. VASILY BOCHKARYOV: during the fighting, perhaps, about the comfort of talking tough, because the battle is something else. But overall we have got better habitability, seats for the crew became more available and more. And not so much the fighting trapped in the capsule. Very comfortable seating. Plus, they even compensate some dynamic effect on the soldier in a landmine explosion. Therefore, in this respect, if we talk about comfort in such a context, the more comfortable habitability.

    I. KOROTCHENKO: certainly not luxury Mercedes, but in comparison with old samples of technology is a revolution. Visualization of information will go through the display?

    Fr. VASILY BOCHKARYOV: Yes. For the crew, you are a lot of different information. He can watch and the day of the battle field, night vision very seriously developed. The radar system is installed, which allows you to get a lot of high-quality, relevant information. All-round view technology, installed video cameras on all sides, which allow fast enough today to receive timely information, to look around, to combat the manëvre or of the defeat of the enemy.

    I. KOROTCHENKO: "Uralvagonzavod" fits within the time allotted?

    About.: VASILY BOCHKARYOV on instructions from Dmitry Olegovich Rogozina now carry a large range of activities. Today you came from a business trip from Tula. We have worked with your colleagues at the BAF, had a large event on one of the items, which is an important part of the "Armat", "Kurganca", "Boomerang". This self-contained weapon station. And we see that there are ongoing issues, but they are working. The mood among developers, producers, testers at the deadline. Therefore, technology is already in the Ministry of defence to ostentatious boxes will be in January-February of the year 2015.

    I. KOROTCHENKO: that is, in January and February have serial ARMAT?

    Fr. VASILY BOCHKARYOV: Serial ARMAT first tanks appear already in the Ministry of defence, and they will start on these tanks prepare to this very important external event-victory day in red square, 70-th anniversary of the great holiday. This technique will be on parade. Will be a great technical work, maintenance of equipment, its performance, combat shooting, accuracy characteristics and so we call it pre-production prototypes of the samples. You can call it a pilot batch. Like any new technology, it needs trimming. The President tasked, by number of prior to 2020 year already painted. Somewhere around mid-2015, will be painted with these tanks by year up to the year 2025.

    I. KOROTCHENKO: I remember the article "be strong", Putin said that the 2200 units will be purchased for the armed forces.

    Fr. VASILY BOCHKARYOV: absolutely. He spoke of an amount up to the year 2020. And today we are looking at the planning horizon up to the year 2025.

    I. KOROTCHENKO: When will be declassified appearance the new tank? When will we see it live?

    Fr. VASILY BOCHKARYOV: May 9, 2015 onwards.

    http://rusnovosti.ru/programms/prog/299950/324721/



    So it's confirmed, Armata will have "Very comfortable seating" apparently somewhere between a T-72 and a luxury Mercedes, I can die happy.  Laughing
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Wed Jul 09, 2014 9:34 pm

    Obviously from a logistical stand point you choose the 125mm barrel over a 152mm barrel by a long country mile, because 1.) There's probably anywhere from 10's of thousands to millions of 125mm shells/rounds produced over several decades in storage (who know's the real number), and 2.) There's simply nothing that warrants a 152mm tank barrel, a modernized 125mm barrel with an modernized autoloader capable of carrying modern HE, new and longer KE darts, and new HEAT warheads would kill any vehicle from from the sides after ERA, and the extra size and weight would be costly logistically on bridges, roads, and transport vehicles such as tactical and strategic heavy airlift planes 3.) Suffice to say this I still want to see a 152mm tank barrel developed, I know it sounds contradictory but having the something "developed" doesn't mean I want to see it widely employed in large numbers, I'm not afraid of the power but the logistics headaches. Sad
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    Post  Sujoy Thu Jul 10, 2014 12:20 pm

    Zivo wrote:Fr. VASILY BOCHKARYOV: Yes. For the crew, you are a lot of different information. He can watch and the day of the battle field, night vision very seriously developed. The radar system is installed, which allows you to get a lot of high-quality, relevant information. [b]All-round view technology, installed video cameras on all sides, which allow fast enough today to receive timely information, to look around, to combat the manëvre or of the defeat of the enemy.

    This is something that the Armata can use .The Alex-1000 is designed to integrate with Battle Management Systems (BMS) such as FBCB2/BFT

    http://www.mriprogress.ru/_files/ALEX-1000.pdf
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    Post  collegeboy16 Thu Jul 10, 2014 2:23 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:Obviously from a logistical stand point you choose the 125mm barrel over a 152mm barrel by a long country mile, because 1.) There's probably anywhere from 10's of thousands to millions of 125mm shells/rounds produced over several decades in storage (who know's the real number), and 2.) There's simply nothing that warrants a 152mm tank barrel, a modernized 125mm barrel with an modernized autoloader capable of carrying modern HE, new and longer KE darts, and new HEAT warheads would kill any vehicle from from the sides after ERA, and the extra size and weight would be costly logistically on bridges, roads, and transport vehicles such as tactical and strategic heavy airlift planes 3.) Suffice to say this I still want to see a 152mm tank barrel developed, I know it sounds contradictory but having the something "developed" doesn't mean I want to see it widely employed in large numbers, I'm not afraid of the power but the logistics headaches. Sad
    Liquid propellant gun is the way to go- even obsolete mango rounds are gonna pack some awful bite if shot at 2.5 km/s, and they have a lot of older ammo.
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    Post  GarryB Fri Jul 11, 2014 1:21 pm

    Indeed a nice binary liquid propellent would be interesting.

    Binary meaning separated into two parts that might be flammable and dangerous but not explosive. When combined they become highly explosive... but they would be stored in separate areas of the vehicle and only brought together in the chamber of the weapon.

    this would render safe all the propellent carried on the vehicle and indeed it could be stored between layers of armour to reduce IR signature and defeat penetration of the vehicle... as long as the different elements are kept apart they will not pose a fire or explosion risk. together in the chamber liquid propellants often can be made rather more powerful than solid propellent and for different rounds could offer optimised propellent charges for different ranges to different targets using different rounds.
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    Post  Mindstorm Tue Jul 15, 2014 11:53 am



    Some interesting informations by Ghur Khan on the development if new tank gun rounds (including for MBT version of heavy unified platform "Armata").

    Some little hints to more perspective solutions for offensive tank based means too.



    http://gurkhan.blogspot.ru/2014/07/blog-post_14.html

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    Post  Austin Tue Jul 15, 2014 4:44 pm

    All I can understand from Translator is  T-90A in 2005 got new ammo Lead-1 & Lead-2 ( I wonder thats what got exported to India Wink )

    Armata has new Gun called 2A82.

    Any thing interesting for some one who understands english and translate it well ?
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    Post  acatomic Fri Aug 08, 2014 1:30 am

    Asf wrote:Rumors:

    On topwar.ru user alexpro66 told in comments:

    So, comrades! I can tell you good news! First full prototype of Armata MBT is ready!!! All systems including active defence system, unmanned combat module, ect, are fully functional. There are still no AESA blocks (they will be on the second prototype only), with that the upper hemisphere of the tank will be defended by the active defence system. Also the decision of modernizing Armata into 2-men combat vehicle is made!! That's because of survival tests showed 3-men crew is quite vulnerable in case of side armour hits. And the decision of increasing the main gun calibre too! They're waiting Putin to come till the end of the month - official presentation or photo "leaks" will be possible after that. If Putin will be satisfied it will be produced up to 16 prorotypes till the end of the year, so 100% guarantee of Armata will be shown on the next parade! It is possible to end all state testings till the end of the year!
    That's all, I've told enough for 10 years in a custody without the right of sending letters home )))
    He also implies the unmanned combat module is very well designed, and situation around Ukraine somehow pushed the work forward really fast (seems like the MoD was made to invest money in domestic military industry without delays). Seems true, as my company is one of the contractors in "Boomerang" theme, and one or two months ago the work on that subject was set to the main priority

    Could this be a radar used in Armata?


    Concern specialists have created a radar for ATVs  

    One of the actual of tasks of defending modern Ground Forces: tanks, APCs, IFCs, and mobile missile complexes, is the operative detection of self-aiming combat elements in the air (SADARM, BONUS, TGSM, BAT, etc.). These means are observed with high combat effectiveness and are actively becoming established in modern armies.

    More on http://kret.com/en/news/3408/
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    Post  fragmachine Sun Sep 07, 2014 2:50 pm

    Is there any info about Armata tank armour? How will it fare against Leo 6 or Abrams? It will most probably be mixed with ceramics, steel plates/some sort of newly developed special material + Relikt, right?

    Drop in anything you know below Smile

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