Werewolf wrote:
People sitting on high horses do not want to learn from their believed "inferior" enemies.
Now let's see if UAE's do any smarter with their Leclerc.
Werewolf wrote:
People sitting on high horses do not want to learn from their believed "inferior" enemies.
Werewolf wrote:Stealthflanker wrote:Godric wrote:
admittedly the 2nd Abrams never went Boom like the first 1 but it didn't half cook up killing at least 2 of the crew ... you have to question why did the Saudis leave them exposed without any visible infantry support ??
Yes..that's very weird. I wonder why Saudis didn't learned from what happened to Iraqi's Abrams.
People sitting on high horses do not want to learn from their believed "inferior" enemies.
KoTeMoRe wrote:Werewolf wrote:Stealthflanker wrote:Godric wrote:
admittedly the 2nd Abrams never went Boom like the first 1 but it didn't half cook up killing at least 2 of the crew ... you have to question why did the Saudis leave them exposed without any visible infantry support ??
Yes..that's very weird. I wonder why Saudis didn't learned from what happened to Iraqi's Abrams.
People sitting on high horses do not want to learn from their believed "inferior" enemies.
On another side, you know the line: when your attack is going too well, then you've walked in an ambush. ;-).
Werewolf wrote:Stealthflanker wrote:Godric wrote:
admittedly the 2nd Abrams never went Boom like the first 1 but it didn't half cook up killing at least 2 of the crew ... you have to question why did the Saudis leave them exposed without any visible infantry support ??
Yes..that's very weird. I wonder why Saudis didn't learned from what happened to Iraqi's Abrams.
People sitting on high horses do not want to learn from their believed "inferior" enemies.
韓国からは、朴槿恵(パク・クネ)大統領が出席予定となった。
中国政府は、9月3日に行う抗日戦争勝利70年の軍事パレードやレセプションなど一連の式典に、ロシアのプーチン大統領や韓国の朴槿恵大統領ら、30人の首脳クラスが出席すると発表した。
軍事パレードに出席するか注目されていたパク大統領については、中国外務省は「あらゆる記念式典に参加する」と述べた。
From South Korea, Park Geun (Park Kune) President became the attendance schedule.
The Chinese government, in a series of ceremonies such as the military parade and reception of the anti-Japanese war victory 70 years to perform on September 3, Russian President Vladimir Putin and South Korean Park Geun president, et al., Has announced that attend 30 people Leaders class.
For Park President had been attention or to attend the military parade, China Ministry of Foreign Affairs said, "to participate in any ceremony."
Choe Ryong-hae (Choi Ryonhe) Labor Party secretary attend from North Korea.
Abe, if you are already announced that it forgo the visit to China, the Japanese
The great thing about T-14; is that it is an exception to this "rule". The hull will easily be the best-armored of any MBT to date, and in my honest opinion, well enough so as to take the M829A3/4, and DM-63 with ease. Heck, it might even be able to defeat its' own APFSDS, the Vacuum-1.George1 wrote:Tank That Sees Enemy First Almost Always Wins the Fight: T-14 Vs M-1
Mike E wrote:The great thing about T-14; is that it is an exception to this "rule". The hull will easily be the best-armored of any MBT to date, and in my honest opinion, well enough so as to take the M829A3/4, and DM-63 with ease. Heck, it might even be able to defeat its' own APFSDS, the Vacuum-1.George1 wrote:Tank That Sees Enemy First Almost Always Wins the Fight: T-14 Vs M-1
I stand by the fact that common engagement ranges will be sub-1500 meters, in which case, even an early T-90 could see an Abrams with no issues (and vice versa).
Senior British Army officers and procurement officials are examining the future of the BAE Systems Challenger 2 main battle tank (MBT), including possibly buying a new vehicle.
The effort is a continuation of a project launched more than a decade ago to upgrade the British Army's tank fleet, but earlier this year army chiefs ordered a wider effort to look at radical solutions to the increasing obsolescence of the service's 227 Challenger 2s.
Speaking at DSEI in London on 16 September, the head of the British Army, General Sir Nick Carter, confirmed that the future of the Challenger 2 was being considered at the army's highest levels.
Asked if the army was looking to buy a new tank to counter the recently unveiled Russian T-14 Armata, Gen Carter said, "We have got issues with the tanks we've got and if we don't do something about it we will have issues - what we will do is in discussion."
A senior army procurement officer told IHS Jane's that a new MBT was one option being considered, alongside a limited life extension programme (LEP) to replace obsolete parts or a wider upgrade. "We have not decided on the scope of the programme," he said.
Industry sources told IHS Jane's that executives of several armoured vehicle providers had talked to the UK Ministry of Defence (MoD) about the future of the Challenger 2, including options for a new MBT.
British Army officers have become increasingly worried about the Challenger 2's effectiveness, particularly the lethality of its L30A1 120mm rifled main gun and its suite of ammunition. One officer told IHS Jane's that "the appearance of the T-14 Armata has had a significant impact and assessments of the new Russian tank's armour and self-defence systems [have] suggested that the Challenger 2's 120mm main armament no longer cuts it".
The German Armed Forces in its current state would not be capable of repelling a hypothetical attack by Russian tanks, the German media outlet Focus reported.
According to the article, although the Bundeswehr has some of the best tanks in the world in service, their combat system is ageing and not that effective.
Actual tank projectiles of the German military are incapable of producing enough kinetic energy to hit the armor of Russia’s modern T-90 and updated T-80 machines, Focus explained.
Currently, Russia is implementing a modernization program for its tanks. The armor and weapons of T-90 tanks have been heavily upgraded since they entered service back in the 1990s. In 2017, the state-of-the-art Armata tank is scheduled to join the Russian military.
Due to a reform of its military Germany has reduced the number of Leopard-2 tanks in service to 225.
However, with the Ukrainian crisis sparking concerns in the West, German Defense Minister Ursula von der Leyen ordered to buy back 100 Leopard-2 tanks for €22 million, which were to be recycled. As a result, the total number of Leopards in the Bundeswehr reached 328.
According to German military analyst Hans Ruhle, the build-up of Germany’s armored forces is pointless as the combat system of the Leopard-2 is ineffective.
In order to increase combat effectiveness, tank shells with depleted uranium are required, the expert pointed out. However, politically this is unacceptable.
Most German operational tanks are of the A-6 and A-5 series. Some 100 Leopard-2 tanks are of the A-4 series. The Leopard-2 has been in production since 1979, and has been modernized several times.
According to Focus, in 2017 Germany is expected to modernize tank ammunition which will exclusively involve the A-7, the latest version of the tank. Currently, Germany has only 20 tanks of the series in operation.
Book. wrote:DSEI 2015: British Army considers new MBT in response to Russia's Armata
Tim Ripley, London - IHS Jane's Defence Weekly
20 September 2015
More Here: http://www.janes.com/article/54672/dsei-2015-british-army-considers-new-mbt-in-response-to-russia-s-armata
ABRAMS MODERNIZATION
Modernization of Abrams allows transition and interoperability with GCV and the future HBCT. Abrams Modernization is essential to maximize the effectiveness of a GCV equipped HBCT. Abrams provides the ability to dominate land operations for the HBCT now and through 2050. As the most advanced Tank in the world, the Abrams MBT is the backbone of the U.S. Military. Abrams modernization is vital to maintain dominance on the battlefield, ensure synchronization with the Army’s strategy-based priorities and guarantees a quick response to changes in operational environments and adversaries.
DEMONSTRATORS
Through Independent Research and Development (IRAD) activities, the demonstrators provide the Abrams with a rapid prototyping platform, development integration, testing and demonstration of technologies and capabilities. These demonstrators quickly validate new technologies and demonstrate concept hardware; capture user feedback; and provide potential solutions to the Warfighter in less time.
magnumcromagnon wrote:Is there actual jackasses in the U.S. that think the Abrams will still be viable by 2050...
max steel wrote:What exactly us is modernizing in its abrams mbt ? I read rpg-30 can easily level abram and rest of nato tanks including type-099 let alone any russian anti-tank weapon .
BTW when I was playing Battlefiled 4 i enjoyed using amerikan Anti weapon more than Russian iglas . No offense
Ukraine's pro-Russian separation faction listed 24 days, publish the military exercises that use such as tanks , showed off a military power. Ukrainian government for these weapons, received secretly from Russia argues that the thing was. (C) AFP 9月25日年2015 Ukraine's Pro-Moscow insurgents Showed off Their Military Prowess on Thursday by launching exercises Involving Heavy Tanks That Kiev Claims They HAD Covertly Received from Russia
Well, we don't know if it will be called M1A3 or not.Book. wrote:M1A3 prob same chasis?
max steel wrote:If RPG-30 cant destroy a tank from front in a single shot then why usa added it in asymmetric warfare list ?
The abrams usa exports contain chobar armor and they all got busted with ease as we observed in Yemen. The only difference btwn usa abrams is that they have uranium armor and russian anti-tank weapons including new rpg30 can take it down also ?
Now what's up with the new armor package ? Another layer of Uranium ?
I have no clue; but it is very doubtful that any handheld posses the power to go through the LFP of an A2 Abrams, Glacis of a T-90A etc.
The export Abrams all use BRL-2 armor (no such thing as "Chobham", as I have stated before), last used by the original M1A1 for US model Abrams.
A1 HA, HC, A2, and A2 SEP all use a new armor package; called Heavy Armor Package. It includes Depleted Uranium, but is a different composite vs. Burlington to begin with. It should perform far better.
"With ease" is a dubious statement, because neither shot landed on an area with large amounts of armor. One went through the side-turret, and one penetrated the turret-roof, that doesn't show much.
IMHO, RPG-30 couldn't penetrate the LFP/turret of an export Abrams with BRL-2. Maybe the turret ring or mantlet, though.
Nobody knows a thing about the upcoming armor package; called Next Generation Armor Package (NGAP). Based on what I know about INB's ceramic research, it will probably use a modified version of SiC, that is cheaper to produce and a little better performing. Some people are thinking it will ditch DU all together, but that would be unlikely.
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