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    Post  Book. on Sat Jul 25, 2015 9:56 pm

    Mike E wrote:K-2 has a horrible reputation online and I still do not know why... Early Leo-2 variants had next to no side turret armor, but the later ones got an add-on NxRA module like the Abrams.

    Some Leo 2 update 70 to 80 ton

    it crazy fat Surprised
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    Post  higurashihougi on Sun Jul 26, 2015 7:52 am

    Werewolf wrote:Every tank follows russian/soviet tank designs since decades.
    Angled armor non existent on german tanks, later adjusted to what others have done before.
    Following russian composite armor use rather than RHA or HHA steel, APS, ERA, smoothbore gun, APFSDS, GLATGM, autoloaders and more all follow the russian tank designs and adopt to russian inventions more then ever was or ever will be the other way around. They still have to catch up to standards that were set quite some time ago.

    The more precise description is that the West followed German standard which is designed as an equivalent of Russian tanks.

    After WW2, Germany was not allowed to have a fully independent military industry, and all Western military was monopolized by UK, France and U.S. Without the help of Germany, Western weapon became more and more outdated and backward. Chieftain is 55 tonnes but the armour and main cannon is inferior to T-10 52 tonnes. M60 46 tonnes is inferior to T-62 37 tonnes.

    The USSR already used separated propellants and warhead in IS-xx. In T-62 they began to field smoothbore cannon. And in T-64 they had composite armour, autoloader, and 125mm smoothbore. At that time, the West surrendered, and began to lick the foot of Germany, asked Germany to design the tanks for them. Germany then designed Leopard 2 which served as the basis for all contemporary Western tank.

    And today Russia has Armata with unmanned turret. The West again, licks the foot of Germany and ask them for Leopard 3.
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    Post  Book. on Thu Aug 13, 2015 3:12 am

    Russian International Army Games 2015 [Tank Biathlon]
    - Team China Show the Type 96A...

    Source: Top81.cn

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    Lot pic prepare die! lol1
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    Post  Mike E on Thu Aug 13, 2015 3:28 am

    Stripped of side-skirts and ERA...ugh 

    Ironic that the Chinese team is in third place too  Rolling Eyes
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    Post  KoTeMoRe on Thu Aug 13, 2015 3:42 am

    Mike E wrote:Stripped of side-skirts and ERA...ugh 

    Ironic that the Chinese team is in third place too  Rolling Eyes

    That's the Third different tank as well. I don't get the point though. The 96A is clearly (as the T72) at the end of its developpment. Why not bring the VT-2. At least the Russians would have a different gauge.
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    Post  Mike E on Thu Aug 13, 2015 5:40 am

    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    Mike E wrote:Stripped of side-skirts and ERA...ugh 

    Ironic that the Chinese team is in third place too  Rolling Eyes

    That's the Third different tank as well. I don't get the point though. The 96A is clearly (as the T72) at the end of its developpment. Why not bring the VT-2. At least the Russians would have a different gauge.
    The model they brought this year is more advanced, and faster than any modification of the VT-2. It also doesn't make much of a difference...I mean the VT-2 is just a Type-96 intended for export... 

    I'm kind of skeptical that the T-96 China brought actually has a 1300 hp engine. It's just not doing well enough for that to be true, or the crew is horrible...  Laughing

    General question incoming; Does anyone have good pictures of the areas where Russia holds reserve tanks?
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    Post  Book. on Thu Aug 13, 2015 6:16 am

    Only Vitaly up close. let wait see he update
    http://vitalykuzmin.net/?q=node/611

    I post rival tank Russia Biathlon topic
    but backup tank donno study


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    Post  Stealthflanker on Thu Aug 13, 2015 9:11 am

    From A Tarasenko.

    Finally a good description plus image of some old Soviet era prototypes. the Ob-490 (Buntar) and OB-477 (Bokser,Molot and Nota)

    http://btvt.narod.ru/3/molot.htm
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    Post  KoTeMoRe on Thu Aug 13, 2015 11:34 am

    Stealthflanker wrote:From A Tarasenko.

    Finally a good description plus image of some old Soviet era prototypes. the Ob-490 (Buntar) and OB-477 (Bokser,Molot and Nota)

    http://btvt.narod.ru/3/molot.htm

    All based on T-64 rolling train, Soviet Era Kharkov-Morozov DB legacy is clear, as you can see various bits of the Oplot /Yatagan everywhere. It's shame...
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    Post  Book. on Fri Aug 21, 2015 5:19 am

    Did an ancient civilization drive tanks across Turkey 14 MILLION years ago? This academic thinks so...
    By WILL STEWART FOR MAILONLINE
    PUBLISHED: 08:05 EST, 17 August 2015 | UPDATED: 11:18 EST, 17 August 2015 [08.20.2015 20:01:16]


    • Geologist Dr Alexander Koltypin believes mysterious markings in the Phrygian Valley of central Turkey were made by an intelligent race


    • He said: 'Rocky fields were covered with the ruts left some millions of years ago....we are not talking about human beings'


    • 'We are dealing with some kind of cars or all-terrain vehicles'


    A Russian academic has claimed that an ancient civilisation drove giant all-terrain vehicles across Earth millions of years ago - and that the tracks are still visible today.

    Geologist Dr Alexander Koltypin believes that mysterious groove-like markings in the Phrygian Valley of central Turkey were made by an intelligent race between 12 and 14 million years ago.

    'We can suppose that ancient vehicles on wheels were drove on soft soil, maybe a wet surface,' he said.

    'Because of their weight the ruts were so deep. And later these ruts - and all the surface around - just petrified and secured all the evidence

    'Such cases are well known to geologists, for example, the footprints of dinosaurs were 'naturally preserved' in a similar way.'

    Dr Koltypin, director of the Natural Science Scientific Research Centre at Moscow's International Independent Ecological-Political University has just returned from a field trip to the site in Anatolia with three colleagues.

    He described the markings as 'petrified tracking ruts in rocky tuffaceous [made from compacted volcanic ash] deposits'.
    He said: 'All these rocky fields were covered with the ruts left some millions of years ago....we are not talking about human beings.'

    'The pairs of ruts are crossing each other from time to time and some ruts are more deep than the others.'

    According to his observations, 'the view of the ruts leaves no doubt that they are ancient, in some places the surface suffered from weathering, cracks are seen here'.

    The age of the ruts is between 12 and 14 million years old, he believes.

    'The methodology of specifying the age of volcanic rocks is very well studied and worked out,' he said.

    'As a geologist, I can certainly tell you that unknown antediluvian [pre-Biblical] all-terrain vehicles drove around Central Turkey some 12-to-14 million years ago.'

    He claims archaeologists 'avoid touching this matter' because it will 'ruin all their classic theories'.

    He said: 'I think we are seeing the signs of the civilisation which existed before the classic creation of this world.
    'Maybe the creatures of that pre-civilisation were not like modern human beings. '

    He claimed the ancient 'car tracks' are one of a number of clues 'which prove the existence of ancient civilisations' but which are often ignored by mainstream scientists.

    More Here: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3200912/Did-ancient-civilisation-drive-tanks-Turkey-14-MILLION-years-ago-Probably-not-academic-thinks-so.html

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    The expert claims archaeologists avoid touching this matter because it will ruin all their classic theories: 'I think we are seeing
    the signs of the civilisation which existed before the classic creation of this world'


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    Dr Koltypin said: 'All these rocky fields were covered with the ruts left some millions of years ago....
    we are not talking about human beings. We are dealing with some kind of cars or all-terrain vehicles'


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    Clues to an ancient civilisation? 'We can suppose that ancient vehicles on wheels were drove on soft soil, maybe a wet surface,
    ' Dr Koltypin said ('fossilised' tracks pictured)


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    According to the scientist's observations, 'the view of the ruts leaves no doubt that they are ancient, in some places the surface
    suffered from weathering, cracks are seen here'


    Russia scientist think the alien tank..  study
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    Post  Godric on Tue Aug 25, 2015 5:52 pm

    so much for American Armor being invincible a video in Yemen showing Two Abrams M1A2 Sep tanks of Saudi Arabia being torn apart by Yemeni rebels




    these are tanks equipped with depleted uranium composite armor that is used in American Abrams tanks
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    Post  Werewolf on Tue Aug 25, 2015 6:29 pm

    Godric wrote:so much for American Armor being invincible a video in Yemen showing Two Abrams M1A2 Sep tanks of Saudi Arabia being torn apart by Yemeni rebels




    these are tanks equipped with depleted uranium composite armor that is used in American Abrams tanks

    There is no depleted uranium on the sides only front turret plates left and right form gun, however even it had 4 times the thickness of the DU armor plates in the turret for its side turret it would not help a little actually make it even worse.

    Anyways, nice post good thing to see and like i can tell both ammos have been set off, not just the ammunition in the ammo bustle but also the ammunition in the 2nd ammo bustle storage of the hull on the right side. Do not have much hopes for the crew, i would assume gunloader and commander are dead, where the Kornet hit.
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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg on Tue Aug 25, 2015 6:39 pm

    It was not a Kornet - it's either a Fagot or a Konkurs. Kornet has a spinning trajectory and flies much faster.
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    Post  Werewolf on Tue Aug 25, 2015 6:50 pm

    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:It was not a Kornet - it's either a Fagot or a Konkurs. Kornet has a spinning trajectory and flies much faster.

    But it is spinning and it was quite fast, anyway velocity is hard to judge from this angle without any reference points to judge distance when camera is zoomed in. Maybe with more distinct clue can hint us to which exact ATGM makes this wierd sound right before the Missile is launched.

    Edit: Probably is a Konkurs, haven't paid to much attention first time i watched video, but now looks like one.
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    Post  Godric on Tue Aug 25, 2015 7:30 pm

    Werewolf wrote:
    Godric wrote:so much for American Armor being invincible a video in Yemen showing Two Abrams M1A2 Sep tanks of Saudi Arabia being torn apart by Yemeni rebels




    these are tanks equipped with depleted uranium composite armor that is used in American Abrams tanks

    There is no depleted uranium on the sides only front turret plates left and right form gun, however even it had 4 times the thickness of the DU armor plates in the turret for its side turret it would not help a little actually make it even worse.

    Anyways, nice post good thing to see and like i can tell both ammos have been set off, not just the ammunition in the ammo bustle but also the ammunition in the 2nd ammo bustle storage of the hull on the right side. Do not have much hopes for the crew, i would assume gunloader and commander are dead, where the Kornet hit.

    Americans have been mocking T-72s getting creamed in Syria and Iraq the big difference is that the T-72s being creamed on video are T-72M1s or otherwise known as the monkey model ( © Book) of the A variant (from the 1970s) .... so any time Yanks slag Russian armor ... we have the proof that their tanks are vastly overrated .... no crew would have survived that impact we saw on the 2nd one that one of the crew survived
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    Post  Stealthflanker on Tue Aug 25, 2015 7:38 pm

    KoTeMoRe wrote:

    All based on T-64 rolling train, Soviet Era Kharkov-Morozov DB legacy is clear, as you can see various bits of the Oplot /Yatagan everywhere. It's shame...

    Those oldies are from 1980's period (1983-1985).. far before Yatagan or Oplot. They're state of the art in that era.

    I wonder how you can call them shame ? They're state of the art in that era.
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    Post  Werewolf on Tue Aug 25, 2015 7:45 pm

    Stealthflanker wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:

    All based on T-64 rolling train, Soviet Era Kharkov-Morozov DB legacy is clear, as you can see various bits of the Oplot /Yatagan everywhere. It's shame...

    Those oldies are from 1980's period (1983-1985).. far before Yatagan or Oplot. They're state of the art in that era.  

    I wonder how you can call them shame ? They're state of the art in that era.

    He meant, that it is a shame that their reputation is getting destroyed by the stupid and blatant use by 404 zombies.
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    Post  flamming_python on Tue Aug 25, 2015 7:52 pm

    Godric wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:
    Godric wrote:so much for American Armor being invincible a video in Yemen showing Two Abrams M1A2 Sep tanks of Saudi Arabia being torn apart by Yemeni rebels




    these are tanks equipped with depleted uranium composite armor that is used in American Abrams tanks

    There is no depleted uranium on the sides only front turret plates left and right form gun, however even it had 4 times the thickness of the DU armor plates in the turret for its side turret it would not help a little actually make it even worse.

    Anyways, nice post good thing to see and like i can tell both ammos have been set off, not just the ammunition in the ammo bustle but also the ammunition in the 2nd ammo bustle storage of the hull on the right side. Do not have much hopes for the crew, i would assume gunloader and commander are dead, where the Kornet hit.

    Americans have been mocking T-72s getting creamed in Syria and Iraq the big difference is that the T-72s being creamed on video are T-72M1s or otherwise known as the monkey model ( © Book) of the A variant (from the 1970s) .... so any time Yanks slag Russian armor ... we have the proof that their tanks are vastly overrated  .... no crew would have survived that impact we saw on the 2nd one that one of the crew survived  

    Even the best orotected tank can suffer a critical hit on a 20 roll of a d20 die.
    1 annihilation doesn't prove much by itself.
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    Post  Godric on Tue Aug 25, 2015 8:15 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
    Godric wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:
    Godric wrote:so much for American Armor being invincible a video in Yemen showing Two Abrams M1A2 Sep tanks of Saudi Arabia being torn apart by Yemeni rebels




    these are tanks equipped with depleted uranium composite armor that is used in American Abrams tanks

    There is no depleted uranium on the sides only front turret plates left and right form gun, however even it had 4 times the thickness of the DU armor plates in the turret for its side turret it would not help a little actually make it even worse.

    Anyways, nice post good thing to see and like i can tell both ammos have been set off, not just the ammunition in the ammo bustle but also the ammunition in the 2nd ammo bustle storage of the hull on the right side. Do not have much hopes for the crew, i would assume gunloader and commander are dead, where the Kornet hit.

    Americans have been mocking T-72s getting creamed in Syria and Iraq the big difference is that the T-72s being creamed on video are T-72M1s or otherwise known as the monkey model ( © Book) of the A variant (from the 1970s) .... so any time Yanks slag Russian armor ... we have the proof that their tanks are vastly overrated  .... no crew would have survived that impact we saw on the 2nd one that one of the crew survived  

    Even the best orotected tank can suffer a critical hit on a 20 roll of a d20 die.
    1 annihilation doesn't prove much by itself.

    admittedly the 2nd Abrams never went Boom like the first 1 but it didn't half cook up killing at least 2 of the crew ... you have to question why did the Saudis leave them exposed without any visible infantry support ??
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    Post  KoTeMoRe on Tue Aug 25, 2015 8:28 pm

    Werewolf wrote:
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    KoTeMoRe wrote:

    All based on T-64 rolling train, Soviet Era Kharkov-Morozov DB legacy is clear, as you can see various bits of the Oplot /Yatagan everywhere. It's shame...

    Those oldies are from 1980's period (1983-1985).. far before Yatagan or Oplot. They're state of the art in that era.  

    I wonder how you can call them shame ? They're state of the art in that era.

    He meant, that it is a shame that their reputation is getting destroyed by the stupid and blatant use by 404 zombies.

    Yeah it's indeed a shame KMDB is now scraping for pennies. Such a powerhouse.

    As for the Abrams those are both A2's. The ATGM in both cases is Old Konkurs, as you can see it is far slower than the Kornet and has the very characteristic high pitch sound after being set off. The kornet is faster and at launch has only a small generator like sound. "grgrgr feeeew"

    The second Abrams has the fighting compartment torched. You can see the the fumes coming out of main gunner and commander hatches. That doesn't happen when there's no penetration.
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    Post  Werewolf on Tue Aug 25, 2015 8:31 pm

    Well at least a good balance is the ukrops are destroying reputation of T-64 and T-80 while Saudis and Arabic Emirates are destroying those of M1A2 and Leclerc, maybe they will go full retard and destroy reputation of Leopard 2A6/a7 aswell.
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    Post  KoTeMoRe on Tue Aug 25, 2015 8:42 pm

    Werewolf wrote:Well at least a good balance is the ukrops are destroying reputation of T-64 and T-80 while Saudis and Arabic Emirates are destroying those of M1A2 and Leclerc, maybe they will go full retard and destroy reputation of Leopard 2A6/a7 aswell.

    The Leopard has it coming though, it stores a quarter of its rounds on the front hull. 3 o'clock shot gets you bingo time. Given how Konkurs is really showing off, God forbid Kornet ever set sights on these western "wunderwaffe". Oh well Karma has communist Bias!
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    Post  Werewolf on Tue Aug 25, 2015 8:44 pm

    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:Well at least a good balance is the ukrops are destroying reputation of T-64 and T-80 while Saudis and Arabic Emirates are destroying those of M1A2 and Leclerc, maybe they will go full retard and destroy reputation of Leopard 2A6/a7 aswell.

    The Leopard has it coming though, it stores a quarter of its rounds on the front hull. 3 o'clock shot gets you bingo time. Given how Konkurs is really showing off, God forbid Kornet ever set sights on these western "wunderwaffe". Oh well Karma has communist Bias!

    It stores enough ammunition to let a 23ton turret fly a few dozen meters and maybe crack another one with it.
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    Post  Stealthflanker on Tue Aug 25, 2015 9:01 pm

    Godric wrote:

    admittedly the 2nd Abrams never went Boom like the first 1 but it didn't half cook up killing at least 2 of the crew ... you have to question why did the Saudis leave them exposed without any visible infantry support ??

    Yes..that's very weird. I wonder why Saudis didn't learned from what happened to Iraqi's Abrams.
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    Post  Werewolf on Tue Aug 25, 2015 9:10 pm

    Stealthflanker wrote:
    Godric wrote:

    admittedly the 2nd Abrams never went Boom like the first 1 but it didn't half cook up killing at least 2 of the crew ... you have to question why did the Saudis leave them exposed without any visible infantry support ??

    Yes..that's very weird. I wonder why Saudis didn't learned from what happened to Iraqi's Abrams.

    People sitting on high horses do not want to learn from their believed "inferior" enemies.

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