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    Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #11

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    Post  nomadski Wed Sep 27, 2017 12:37 pm


    Best go around the SDF forces to secure border area to east and north . Avoid attacking SDF , unless in self defence or if road is blocked by them . Do not allow the kurds to be able to unify and define themselves by the enemy they fight .
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    Post  JohninMK Wed Sep 27, 2017 3:18 pm

    Al-Masdar News‏Verified account @TheArabSource 1h1 hour ago

    Confirmed: No Russian attack helicopter was shot down over #Hama https://aml.ink/r-Dt4 #Russia #Syria

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    Post  JohninMK Thu Sep 28, 2017 12:02 am

    Some pretty close in CAS support in this embedded video.

    https://twitter.com/rofoca_lucifuge/status/913160347317501952

    https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/video-key-jihadist-stronghold-near-turkish-border-intensely-bombed-russian-jets/

    Also, what is this weapon?

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    Post  calm Thu Sep 28, 2017 9:19 am

    So many traitors and rebels lurking around trough SAA controlled cities.

    This one reports on Russians in Deir.

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    Some of those "activist" are even photographing Russians in Deir.
    https://twitter.com/EuphratesPost/status/906516177404526593
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    Russians need to be extra careful in those parts of Syria, it is not like in Latakia/Tartous.
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    Post  PapaDragon Thu Sep 28, 2017 12:15 pm

    calm wrote:.....................
    Russians need to be extra careful in those parts of Syria, it is not like in Latakia/Tartous.

    They need to stop horsing around and leave dealing with civilians/terror-cells to the SAA. They have more experience and are not afraid to do what needs to be done.

    This is primarily aerial ops. Don't change the plan that works.

    Only basic ground presence is required.

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    Post  JohninMK Thu Sep 28, 2017 1:45 pm

    So, the General was not strictly speaking active in the RuA, after a spell commanding the Russian Army in Syria he moved on and he was seconded to the SAA 5th Corps.

    MOSCOW (Reuters) - A Russian general killed in Syria had been seconded to the Syrian government as a military commander, Russia’s military chief of staff said on Wednesday. Moscow has long been a staunch ally of Syria, but the role of the deceased general reveals the extent to which Russia has become an integral part of President Bashar al Assad’s ruling system.

    Lieutenant-General Valery Asapov, 51, was killed on Saturday by shelling from Islamic State positions near Deir al-Zor. He was the chief of staff of Russian forces deployed to the country and later became the commander of Syria’s Fifth Corps of volunteers, chief of general staff Valery Gerasimov said.

    It was known that the Syrian Fifth Attack Troop Corps of volunteers, formed in late 2016, was equipped and advised by the Russians, but Damascus and Moscow had not previously announced it was under Russian command.

    Speaking at Asapov’s funeral, Gerasimov said: ”High prestige combined with care were outstanding features of his work. “Of course, those qualities were displayed during his working trip to the Syrian Arab Republic, where he had been deployed from February this year,” Gerasimov said, addressing Asapov’s family and colleagues. “He worked as the chief of staff of the group of our forces and then was in command of the Fifth Corps of volunteers ... A treacherous shell cut short his life.”

    A security specialist, who worked in Syria alongside the Russian and Syrian military, said Asapov was de facto the commander of Syria’s Fifth Corps but he may have been listed as chief military adviser on paper. “Syrian officers relied completely on our officers,” he said.

    Hundreds of people, most of them from the Russian military, attended the funeral at the Federal Military Memorial Cemetery for Asapov who became the highest ranking military officer to be killed in the Syrian war.

    Inscriptions in Russian and Arabic on some of garlands said they were sent by President al-Assad, Syrian ministers and military commanders.
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    Post  lycantrop Thu Sep 28, 2017 2:17 pm

    ISIS Attacks Syrian Army South Of Dier Ezzor , Captures 2 Russian Servicemen.

    https://muraselon.com/en/2017/09/breaking-isis-attacks-syrian-army-south-dier-ezzor-captures-2-russian-servicemen/
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    Post  PapaDragon Thu Sep 28, 2017 2:32 pm


    ISIS claims it capture two Russian soldiers in the attack on Deir Ezzor highway

    https://twitter.com/WithinSyriaBlog/status/913362384932175873


    If true it will be apex of unsurprising cumulative fuckups that resulted from putting troops on the ground.

    Already too many dead. This one will be a shitstorm should video surface.
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    Post  lycantrop Thu Sep 28, 2017 2:42 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    ISIS claims it capture two Russian soldiers in the attack on Deir Ezzor highway

    https://twitter.com/WithinSyriaBlog/status/913362384932175873


    If true it will be apex of unsurprising cumulative fuckups that resulted from putting troops on the ground.

    Already too many dead. This one will be a shitstorm should video surface.

    Hell will be unleashed if they dare to do something stupid.
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    Post  PapaDragon Thu Sep 28, 2017 2:50 pm

    lycantrop wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    ISIS claims it capture two Russian soldiers in the attack on Deir Ezzor highway

    https://twitter.com/WithinSyriaBlog/status/913362384932175873


    If true it will be apex of unsurprising cumulative fuckups that resulted from putting troops on the ground.

    Already too many dead. This one will be a shitstorm should video surface.

    Hell will be unleashed if they dare to do something stupid.

    Will ''hell'' teleport them back home?

    Hell will be unleashed in Russia. Shit like this is what kills support for military operations.

    If true, I bet those two got caught while driving around some sacks of flour or some other stupid needless shit like that during some PR feelgood ''mission''.

    This was advertized as zero-risk bombing ops not as infantry-heavy desert war.

    I said 2 years ago: kill everything with bombs and avoid dumb shit like ground presence. Geniuses decided to have their own GWOT.

    Welcome to land of Logical Conclusion.
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    Post  lycantrop Thu Sep 28, 2017 3:02 pm

    Russia should go "full retard" and fire salvos of Iskander missiles on every HQ/warehouse... of this subanimals, dont know why they are so reluctant.
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    Post  JohninMK Thu Sep 28, 2017 3:34 pm

    lycantrop wrote:Russia should go "full retard" and fire salvos of Iskander missiles on every HQ/warehouse... of this subanimals, dont know why they are so reluctant.
    That sounds a bit of a "full retard" suggestion to me. Ever thought through the implications of some of the things you say?
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    Post  Isos Thu Sep 28, 2017 3:41 pm

    JohninMK wrote:Some pretty close in CAS support in this embedded video.

    https://twitter.com/rofoca_lucifuge/status/913160347317501952

    https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/video-key-jihadist-stronghold-near-turkish-border-intensely-bombed-russian-jets/

    Also, what is this weapon?

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    Those are two s-25 rockets. It would be intersting to know if they are upgraded to be guided by laser. Anyway it don t need really guidance because it has a range of 3km and a warhead of 190kg so it won t miss the target.

    But it is worth noting that they fired two in the same time so two at a same target. Such rocket could destroy any target with one fire. Why use two at one target ??

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/S-25_(rocket)
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    Post  PapaDragon Thu Sep 28, 2017 4:24 pm


    Fake fortunately. Still, amount of fuckups has grown exponentially during last several weeks. They should get their crap together.

    Moscow Denies Allegations Daesh Captured Two Russian Servicemen in Syria

    https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/201709281057782235-russia-daesh-servicemen-captured-fake/
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    Post  lycantrop Thu Sep 28, 2017 5:19 pm

    russians also dont fight them with 100% effectivness, are they afraid of uncle sam or what?

    for example:

    Each time they send an T-95 bear from russia, who fly through Iran/Iraq all the way down to syria air, is carrying only 1-2 K-101 cruise missiles.
    What the hell are they doing? Its a waste of ressources/time/effectivness....
    T-95 Bear can carry up to 12 missiles of this type!
    They are sending a T-95 from far away only to blow up 1-2 targets, what a waste!
    I dont believe they cant determine 5-10 targets and blow them up in one route.
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    Post  lycantrop Thu Sep 28, 2017 9:06 pm

    worth reading

    Signals Intel treachery targeted Russian general killed in Deir-Ezzor

    https://www.veteranstoday.com/2017/09/26/signals-intelligence-targeted-russian-general-killed-in-deir-ezzor/
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    Post  auslander Thu Sep 28, 2017 10:41 pm

    lycantrop wrote:russians also dont fight them with 100% effectivness, are they afraid of uncle sam or what?

    for example:

    Each time they send an T-95 bear from russia, who fly through Iran/Iraq all the way down to syria air, is carrying only 1-2 K-101 cruise missiles.
    What the hell are they doing? Its a waste of ressources/time/effectivness....
    T-95 Bear can carry up to 12 missiles of this type!
    They are sending a T-95 from far away only to blow up 1-2 targets, what a waste!
    I dont believe they cant determine 5-10 targets and blow them up in one route.

    In your adolescent pontifications did you ever take in to consideration the fact that all the heavy bomber crews are getting some stick and shooting time in? They, like the various lighter aircraft crews, are being rotated in and out of the AO as are the ground and support units and Navy. This is called 'blooding the units'.

    Nice to see you back, by the by.
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    Post  JohninMK Thu Sep 28, 2017 11:55 pm

    auslander wrote:
    lycantrop wrote:russians also dont fight them with 100% effectivness, are they afraid of uncle sam or what?

    for example:

    Each time they send an T-95 bear from russia, who fly through Iran/Iraq all the way down to syria air, is carrying only 1-2 K-101 cruise missiles.
    What the hell are they doing? Its a waste of ressources/time/effectivness....
    T-95 Bear can carry up to 12 missiles of this type!
    They are sending a T-95 from far away only to blow up 1-2 targets, what a waste!
    I dont believe they cant determine 5-10 targets and blow them up in one route.

    In your adolescent pontifications did you ever take in to consideration the fact that all the heavy bomber crews are getting some stick and shooting time in? They, like the various lighter aircraft crews, are being rotated in and out of the AO as are the ground and support units and Navy. This is called 'blooding the units'.

    Nice to see you back, by the by.
    And just to be picky, they didn't carry 1-2 missiles, it was double that load - 4.
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    Post  GarryB Fri Sep 29, 2017 2:37 am

    Also, what is this weapon?

    That is an S-25 unguided rocket.

    It is like a super RPG-7... it is a 266mm rocket pod with one tube.

    It comes with two different rocket types... the S-25-O which has a 420mm warhead weighing 150kgs, and the S-25-OFM with a 340mm warhead weighing about the same.

    They are very powerful rockets that are pretty similar to a direct fire 2-3km range 150kg HE bomb.

    There are laser guided variants, but these seem to be the unguided models that are pretty accurate over short ranges anyway.

    Sort of the replacement for the older S-24 which is a 240mm calibre rocket that is launched from a pylon and carries a 125kg warhead.

    But it is worth noting that they fired two in the same time so two at a same target. Such rocket could destroy any target with one fire. Why use two at one target ??

    Balance.

    Plus the detonation of two rockets near a target are vastly more effective than one detonation.

    Each time they send an T-95 bear from russia, who fly through Iran/Iraq all the way down to syria air, is carrying only 1-2 K-101 cruise missiles.
    What the hell are they doing? Its a waste of ressources/time/effectivness....
    T-95 Bear can carry up to 12 missiles of this type!
    They are sending a T-95 from far away only to blow up 1-2 targets, what a waste!
    I dont believe they cant determine 5-10 targets and blow them up in one route.

    Those missiles are not cheap and they need to be sure of the targets... the odds on 12 targets being worth hitting at one time is very low, so you might get hit all 12 targets but only 2-3 of them might be at an optimum time to get the most bad guys.

    Delaying attacks until you have 12 confirmed targets is stupid and unlikely to be more cost effective.

    Also these are subsonic missiles... reports of one attack might get the targets to move from postions in case they are hit too... if you are ready for an attack you are more likely to survive... artillery attacks are generally most effective in the first 30 seconds... after that most people who are able have taken cover and are much harder to injure or kill.

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    Post  lycantrop Fri Sep 29, 2017 3:05 am

    GarryB wrote:

    Each time they send an T-95 bear from russia, who fly through Iran/Iraq all the way down to syria air, is carrying only 1-2 K-101 cruise missiles.
    What the hell are they doing? Its a waste of ressources/time/effectivness....
    T-95 Bear can carry up to 12 missiles of this type!
    They are sending a T-95 from far away only to blow up 1-2 targets, what a waste!
    I dont believe they cant determine 5-10 targets and blow them up in one route.

    Those missiles are not cheap and they need to be sure of the targets... the odds on 12 targets being worth hitting at one time is very low, so you might get hit all 12 targets but only 2-3 of them might be at an optimum time to get the most bad guys.

    Delaying attacks until you have 12 confirmed targets is stupid and unlikely to be more cost effective.

    Also these are subsonic missiles... reports of one attack might get the targets to move from postions in case they are hit too... if you are ready for an attack you are more likely to survive... artillery attacks are generally most effective in the first 30 seconds... after that most people who are able have taken cover and are much harder to injure or kill.


    thanks for clarifying, one question, you wrote:

    "the odds on 12 targets being worth hitting at one time is very low, so you might get hit all 12 targets but only 2-3 of them might be at an optimum time to get the most bad guys."

    about the optimum time to hit this rats.

    I suspect each time a T-95 bear is leaving russian border its already tracked by the us.
    As we know US sharing informations with IS, so we can suppose US sharing data in advance to IS that T-95 is coming.
    Im not expert, but possible that they also can track the cruise missile once its dropped, they track the flightpath of the missile.
    data is constantly shared with IS on ground.
    is it possible that russia cant bomb IS "in optimal time" because we can be 100% sure US alarming IS in advance?
    Russia cant "surprise" the rats on ground?
    maybe also they evacuate or hide in underground bases till T-95 is leaving syria?
    this is hypothetical, im just thinking, but I am 100% sure US sees T-95 in advance and can share informations with rats on the ground.
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    Post  JohninMK Fri Sep 29, 2017 3:39 pm

    lycantrop wrote:

    thanks for clarifying, one question, you wrote:

    "the odds on 12 targets being worth hitting at one time is very low, so you might get hit all 12 targets but only 2-3 of them might be at an optimum time to get the most bad guys."

    about the optimum time to hit this rats.

    I suspect each time a T-95 bear is leaving russian border its already tracked by the us.
    As we know US sharing informations with IS, so we can suppose US sharing data in advance to IS that T-95 is coming.
    Im not expert, but possible that they also can track the cruise missile once its dropped, they track the flightpath of the missile.
    data is constantly shared with IS on ground.
    is it possible that russia cant bomb IS "in optimal time" because we can be 100% sure US alarming IS in advance?
    Russia cant "surprise" the rats on ground?
    maybe also they evacuate or hide in underground bases till T-95 is leaving syria?
    this is hypothetical, im just thinking, but I am 100% sure US sees T-95 in advance and can share informations with rats on the ground.
    Unless the US has some kind of database of potential targets for the RuAF, the ability to track aircraft and then missiles is not a lot of use unless there is an obvious target on the track, which might not be the actual target.

    Then there is the possibility that the cruise missile is zig zagging and/or, perhaps less likely, that there is some comms jamming underway.

    I think you are placing too much ability onto both the equipment and ability of terrorists in Syria whilst combining them into one group.
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    Post  par far Fri Sep 29, 2017 4:14 pm

    lycantrop wrote:worth reading

    Signals Intel treachery targeted Russian general killed in Deir-Ezzor

    https://www.veteranstoday.com/2017/09/26/signals-intelligence-targeted-russian-general-killed-in-deir-ezzor/



    What I want to know is, does Russia have the capabilities to track high ranking officers, like it happened in this case?
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    Post  lycantrop Fri Sep 29, 2017 5:16 pm

    par far wrote:
    lycantrop wrote:worth reading

    Signals Intel treachery targeted Russian general killed in Deir-Ezzor

    https://www.veteranstoday.com/2017/09/26/signals-intelligence-targeted-russian-general-killed-in-deir-ezzor/



    What I want to know is, does Russia have the capabilities to track high ranking officers, like it happened in this case?

    I remember shortly after russia blow up CIA command centre near Aleppo (retaliation for killing 100 SAA + 7 russian sappers) russia came with statement:

    "We know where all your commend centres alre located", as a warning.

    So yes, I think russia has very good intel about whats going on on ground...
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    Post  lycantrop Fri Sep 29, 2017 6:20 pm

    im curiouse if this baby is secretly used by russians in Syria, perfect place to test its capabilities:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eh9zWweFu7E


    The Listva, a remotely operated mine clearance vehicle capable of detecting and blowing up mines up to 100 meters away, is one such weapon.

    An armored vehicle equipped with a UHF emitter moves in front of a mobile missile system. It detects radio-controlled landmines planted along and away from the road using ground-penetrating radar and then uses ultra-high-frequency rays to neutralize them.

    This is a novel technique, which had never been used before.
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    Post  franco Fri Sep 29, 2017 6:24 pm

    lycantrop wrote:im curiouse if this baby is secretly used by russians in Syria, perfect place to test its capabilities:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eh9zWweFu7E


    The Listva, a remotely operated mine clearance vehicle capable of detecting and blowing up mines up to 100 meters away, is one such weapon.

    An armored vehicle equipped with a UHF emitter moves in front of a mobile missile system. It detects radio-controlled landmines planted along and away from the road using ground-penetrating radar and then uses ultra-high-frequency rays to neutralize them.

    This is a novel technique, which had never been used before.

    It would make sense but I have not seen any. It is my understanding that the first units were just delivered this year.

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