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    Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #11

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    Post  Regular Fri May 19, 2017 1:01 pm

    Russian SSO night hunting sand people.


    In aftermath video we see dude with his heads and lungs out and even a kid whacked. Bring kid to work day didnt go as planned ? Twisted Evil

    Some aftermath gore
    https://vk.com/video-70187376_456239264
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    Post  Vann7 Fri May 19, 2017 6:10 pm

    excellent video.. we need to see all this NATO-Israel-Saudi Arabia backed terrorist crushed in the same way . Make no mistake , the real Aim of the Syrian conflict is not Assad ,or Syria ,
    is not even IRAN or hezbolah. The real target here is Russia. Its a war that seeks to bleed
    Russia over a long term fight. as US did in Afganistan with Soviets. is a repeat of the same
    scenario ,just that this time ,they don't hide their support to the terror groups that fights
    against Russia. Israel is also 100% behind this war against Russia. With one hands Netanyahu shakes the hands of Putin and with the other he backstab him. This is why RUssia can't never
    leave Syria.and needs to stay forever there until Syria recover 100% of its territory and or most of it. and can continue fighting on its own.

    Unfortunately the war will last long ,because Putin have been mediocre leader and
    with ZERO capabilities to influence any nation to come in their help. Neither India or CHina
    have done anything to help stop NATO aid to terrorism. something they are also victims too,
    since the CIA promotes terrorism in India too. Putin a bad leader ,with zero influence in the world ,and the world full of cowards and opportunist nations ,that expect others to solve the
    world problems and they just focus in their own issues.

    Imagine 10 alqaeda terrorist ,armed with guns enters in your city neighborhood ,where you live, and you observe how they go , house after house killing all their people living there. and you say.. oh is not my problem.. and continue living your life as if nothing happens. This is India and China problem. Their egotistical selfish inward looking is the reason NATO can focus in just Russia and they they play the role of inept and hiding their heads in the sand instead
    of helping Russia ends quickly a major world conflict. If NATO is successful in Syria ,it will be a major dark age for the planet will start.  Because they will officially become rogue and start blackmailing nations after nations ,with give me money and the keys of your country or else we will send you Alqaeda and ISIS to your land to destroy it. and Russia will be unable to help you. So the war in Syria is the most important event in the history of humanity ,since Hitler invasion of Europe. Because if Americans and its coalition not stop in Syria , then this will only multiply by x100 terrorism in the world. And muslin radicals will see they united can win ,because they will receive the help of NATO. on top that they will have the oil field$$ of Syria
    and IRAQ to finance their terror. So terrorism will become the most profitable job for muslins.
    and will allow NATO to create an army of millions of jihadist armed with NATO weapons and trained to fight Russia. This is how the American and European elite , plans to bring down Russia if their Euromaidans fails. It will be a major invasion of Alqaeda and ISIS on Russia.
    how they will do it. And it will not matter if they don't manage to advance much in Russia territory , as long they keep the war going ,and inciting muslins in Russia to join them ,then Russia unrest will bring down that nation economy and make more easier US-UK and Israel
    to provoke an Euromaidan in RUssia. This is why Europe opens the doors to all muslins in middle east. SO they get the illusion European elite wants to convert Europe to Islam and
    that the best way to do it is to invade Russia ,who is the only one that still promotes christianity. So this is the real strategy of Western elite to fight Russia. They want to use terrorism and Syria is just the school for them to learn how to fight Russia. So the Syrian war is war that will never end ,as long NATO exist. Trump wanted to end the conflict but he is not
    in control of its government ,not even close. So he is yet unable to control Pentagon and CIA
    or even influence his own party.  and unlikely he will be able to do it. best he will do is only delay things and slow the pace of the NATO aggression of Syria a bit.
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    Post  par far Fri May 19, 2017 7:38 pm

    Vann7 wrote:excellent video.. we need to see all this NATO-Israel-Saudi Arabia backed terrorist crushed in the same way . Make no mistake , the real Aim of the Syrian conflict is not Assad ,or Syria ,
    is not even IRAN or hezbolah. The real target here is Russia. Its a war that seeks to bleed
    Russia over a long term fight. as US did in Afganistan with Soviets. is a repeat of the same
    scenario ,just that this time ,they don't hide their support to the terror groups that fights
    against Russia. Israel is also 100% behind this war against Russia. With one hands Netanyahu shakes the hands of Putin and with the other he backstab him. This is why RUssia can't never
    leave Syria.and needs to stay forever there until Syria recover 100% of its territory and or most of it. and can continue fighting on its own.

    Unfortunately the war will last long ,because Putin have been mediocre leader and
    with ZERO capabilities to influence any nation to come in their help. Neither India or CHina
    have done anything to help stop NATO aid to terrorism. something they are also victims too,
    since the CIA promotes terrorism in India too. Putin a bad leader ,with zero influence in the world ,and the world full of cowards and opportunist nations ,that expect others to solve the
    world problems and they just focus in their own issues.

    Imagine 10 alqaeda terrorist ,armed with guns enters in your city neighborhood ,where you live, and you observe how they go , house after house killing all their people living there. and you say.. oh is not my problem.. and continue living your life as if nothing happens. This is India and China problem. Their egotistical selfish inward looking is the reason NATO can focus in just Russia and they they play the role of inept and hiding their heads in the sand instead
    of helping Russia ends quickly a major world conflict. If NATO is successful in Syria ,it will be a major dark age for the planet will start.  Because they will officially become rogue and start blackmailing nations after nations ,with give me money and the keys of your country or else we will send you Alqaeda and ISIS to your land to destroy it. and Russia will be unable to help you. So the war in Syria is the most important event in the history of humanity ,since Hitler invasion of Europe. Because if Americans and its coalition not stop in Syria , then this will only multiply by x100 terrorism in the world. And muslin radicals will see they united can win ,because they will receive the help of NATO. on top that they will have the oil field$$ of Syria
    and IRAQ to finance their terror. So terrorism will become the most profitable job for muslins.
    and will allow NATO to create an army of millions of jihadist armed with NATO weapons and trained to fight Russia. This is how the American and European elite , plans to bring down Russia if their Euromaidans fails. It will be a major invasion of Alqaeda and ISIS on Russia.
    how they will do it. And it will not matter if they don't manage to advance much in Russia territory , as long they keep the war going ,and inciting muslins in Russia to join them ,then Russia unrest will bring down that nation economy and make more easier US-UK and Israel
    to provoke an Euromaidan in RUssia. This is why Europe opens the doors to all muslins in middle east. SO they get the illusion European elite wants to convert Europe to Islam and
    that the best way to do it is to invade Russia ,who is the only one that still promotes christianity. So this is the real strategy of Western elite to fight Russia. They want to use terrorism and Syria is just the school for them to learn how to fight Russia. So the Syrian war is war that will never end ,as long NATO exist. Trump wanted to end the conflict but he is not
    in control of its government ,not even close. So he is yet unable to control Pentagon and CIA
    or even influence his own party.  and unlikely he will be able to do it. best he will do is only delay things and slow the pace of the NATO aggression of Syria a bit.


    Good analysis as always Vann but there are couple of things that I disagree with, China is training most of the Syrian Army's doctor's in China. Putin is a influential leader, he got a lot of countries to support Russia on the Ukraine and Crimea situation(including India.) You have to understand that Putin is going against more than half of the world, so it is not easy as you think. You are correct on Muslims in Europe(these assholes are put in Europe and other countries to target hostile nations to the Zionists.) You are right about Israel and Netanyahu but Putin know all about that.

    The things Russia can do to counter these things are:

    Bring more countries under their influence and convince them that NATO is bad news(this is hard to do.)

    Russia should support groups in Russia that are anti-abortion, anti-homosexual, pro-Christian values and pro-family values(these are the things that the Zionists hate and use for their own cause, by doing these things in Russia, the Russian secret services, can work on how to make these groups effective and learn how to use them like the Zionists use color revolutions.) Besides learning how to use them effectively and secretively, it will also have a positive impact on Russia. Once they are ready slowly set them on Europe, a one country at a time(begin with the most venerable first.)

    There are countries like the US, UK, Israel and Gulf Countries that want to harm Russia, everyone of these countries have a Achilles Heel, that Russia can expose for the US it is petrol dollar(try to collapse it and make things hard, if the petrol dollar goes, the US goes with it), the UK has the Scottish problem(support the Scott's independence struggle), another thing both of these countries have troops around the world(support groups that are fighting them.) Israel has Hezbollah and other groups that Russia can support, the Gulf States have Iran and Iranian influence that scare them, so support Iran.

    It is easier said than done but every country does have a Achilles Heel that Russia can/should exploit.




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    Post  AlfaT8 Fri May 19, 2017 11:49 pm

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    Post  Vann7 Sat May 20, 2017 5:56 am


    Is an irony ,that at night , with infra red technology that Russia use , is easier to detect
    terrorist. that in the day with plain sight. It looks Russia mastered the art of night vision
    tech..
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    Post  JohninMK Sat May 20, 2017 11:40 am

    Vann7 wrote:
    Is an irony ,that at night , with infra red technology that Russia use , is easier to detect
    terrorist. that in the day with plain sight. It looks Russia  mastered the art of night vision
    tech..
    Partly that and partly that the terrorists, who may never have seen let alone used night vision gear, have no idea of its capabilities and how exposed they are.
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    Post  Regular Sun May 21, 2017 1:40 pm

    JohninMK wrote:
    Vann7 wrote:
    Is an irony ,that at night , with infra red technology that Russia use , is easier to detect
    terrorist. that in the day with plain sight. It looks Russia  mastered the art of night vision
    tech..
    Partly that and partly that the terrorists, who may never have seen let alone used night vision gear, have no idea of its capabilities and how exposed they are.
    Well beardies were found using current mil grade gen night vision and some of them even have thermals, but I doubt they have it in big numbers or even as good as the ones Russian. As far as night goes, they are fair game.
    And here people where talking about ATGM being a waste if used on VBIED. Russians are using them on single enemy soldiers. Twisted Evil Whatever gets the job done
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    Post  PapaDragon Mon May 22, 2017 2:04 pm


    All these Russian speakers here and I am the one who has to post this kind of news? Or is it considered inconvenient now to mention that Russian troops are being killed so that Syrian cockroaches may flee?

    Two more Russians soldiers reportedly killed May 3rd after being abandoned by fleeing regime forces

    Evgeny Konstantinov, commander of an assault battalion and adviser, and Aleksandr Skladan, who commanded recon.


    http://www.rbc.ru/politics/22/05/2017/5922a34c9a7947d678cf0a78?from=main

    I am looking forward to news of random Israeli/USA jets bombing SAA scum again.

    This bullshit demands at least 100 dead SAA vermin per one dead Russian. Realistic number would be 1.000 but since this is a war they can get a line of credit. Hopefully USMC and IAF will redeem the coupon for 10.000 down the road.

    I will post this on both treads just so that people don't celebrate too hard next time worthless SAA rats advance 20 meters.
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    Post  ultimatewarrior Mon May 22, 2017 2:29 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    All these Russian speakers here and I am the one who has to post this kind of news? Or is it considered inconvenient now to mention that Russian troops are being killed so that Syrian cockroaches may flee?

    Two more Russians soldiers reportedly killed May 3rd after being abandoned by fleeing regime forces

    Evgeny Konstantinov, commander of an assault battalion and adviser, and Aleksandr Skladan, who commanded recon.


    http://www.rbc.ru/politics/22/05/2017/5922a34c9a7947d678cf0a78?from=main

    I am looking forward to news of random Israeli/USA jets bombing SAA scum again.

    This bullshit demands at least 100 dead SAA vermin per one dead Russian. Realistic number would be 1.000 but since this is a war they can get a line of credit. Hopefully USMC and IAF will redeem the coupon for 10.000 down the road.

    I will post this on both treads just so that people don't celebrate too hard next time worthless SAA rats advance 20 meters.

    If Russians are so tough, why don't they go fight in Syria by themselves without SAA helping them?
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    Post  Guest Mon May 22, 2017 4:55 pm

    ultimatewarrior wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    All these Russian speakers here and I am the one who has to post this kind of news? Or is it considered inconvenient now to mention that Russian troops are being killed so that Syrian cockroaches may flee?

    Two more Russians soldiers reportedly killed May 3rd after being abandoned by fleeing regime forces

    Evgeny Konstantinov, commander of an assault battalion and adviser, and Aleksandr Skladan, who commanded recon.


    http://www.rbc.ru/politics/22/05/2017/5922a34c9a7947d678cf0a78?from=main

    I am looking forward to news of random Israeli/USA jets bombing SAA scum again.

    This bullshit demands at least 100 dead SAA vermin per one dead Russian. Realistic number would be 1.000 but since this is a war they can get a line of credit. Hopefully USMC and IAF will redeem the coupon for 10.000 down the road.

    I will post this on both treads just so that people don't celebrate too hard next time worthless SAA rats advance 20 meters.

    If Russians are so tough, why don't they go fight in Syria by themselves without SAA helping them?

    Why would they do such retarded thing if i may ask?
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    Post  KiloGolf Mon May 22, 2017 5:02 pm

    ultimatewarrior wrote:If Russians are so tough, why don't they go fight in Syria by themselves without SAA helping them?

    Because it aint their country.
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    Post  miketheterrible Mon May 22, 2017 6:00 pm

    ultimatewarrior wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    All these Russian speakers here and I am the one who has to post this kind of news? Or is it considered inconvenient now to mention that Russian troops are being killed so that Syrian cockroaches may flee?

    Two more Russians soldiers reportedly killed May 3rd after being abandoned by fleeing regime forces

    Evgeny Konstantinov, commander of an assault battalion and adviser, and Aleksandr Skladan, who commanded recon.


    http://www.rbc.ru/politics/22/05/2017/5922a34c9a7947d678cf0a78?from=main

    I am looking forward to news of random Israeli/USA jets bombing SAA scum again.

    This bullshit demands at least 100 dead SAA vermin per one dead Russian. Realistic number would be 1.000 but since this is a war they can get a line of credit. Hopefully USMC and IAF will redeem the coupon for 10.000 down the road.

    I will post this on both treads just so that people don't celebrate too hard next time worthless SAA rats advance 20 meters.

    If Russians are so tough, why don't they go fight in Syria by themselves without SAA helping them?

    that's exactly what happened here Ultron. They were fighting by themselves. Actually, 1 guy was fighting since the other was wounded and the allies fled. Wonderful.
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    Post  ultimatewarrior Mon May 22, 2017 6:28 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:
    ultimatewarrior wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    All these Russian speakers here and I am the one who has to post this kind of news? Or is it considered inconvenient now to mention that Russian troops are being killed so that Syrian cockroaches may flee?

    Two more Russians soldiers reportedly killed May 3rd after being abandoned by fleeing regime forces

    Evgeny Konstantinov, commander of an assault battalion and adviser, and Aleksandr Skladan, who commanded recon.


    http://www.rbc.ru/politics/22/05/2017/5922a34c9a7947d678cf0a78?from=main

    I am looking forward to news of random Israeli/USA jets bombing SAA scum again.

    This bullshit demands at least 100 dead SAA vermin per one dead Russian. Realistic number would be 1.000 but since this is a war they can get a line of credit. Hopefully USMC and IAF will redeem the coupon for 10.000 down the road.

    I will post this on both treads just so that people don't celebrate too hard next time worthless SAA rats advance 20 meters.

    If Russians are so tough, why don't they go fight in Syria by themselves without SAA helping them?

    that's exactly what happened here Ultron. They were fighting by themselves. Actually, 1 guy was fighting since the other was wounded and the allies fled. Wonderful.

    Like I said, if Russia deploy thousands of ground forces, the terrorists will all flee and there won't be any Russian casualties. But doing small scale support, the war will never be over and Russian servicemen will continue to die once in a while. The war in Ukraine is not frozen. It is simmering and every day people continue to die. Putin likes freezing conflicts instead of having the resolve to use Russia's superior military to finish things off. Freezing can work in Moldova and Georgia, but not in Ukraine and Syria, where it takes resolve to end the wars once and for all to stop the loss of lives.

    Turkey had the resolve to drive IS out of northern Syria and stopped the loss of lives. Russia doesn't have the resolve to finish off the terrorists, instead sacrificing Russian servicemen here and there every once in a while just for Putin's failed freezing.
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    Post  ultimatewarrior Mon May 22, 2017 6:31 pm

    KiloGolf wrote:
    ultimatewarrior wrote:If Russians are so tough, why don't they go fight in Syria by themselves without SAA helping them?

    Because it aint their country.

    And if Syria falls, Russia will be next. And you will see ghost cities, bombed out buildings, millions dead in Russia. Is that what you would like to see in Russia? Because that's exactly what will happen if Syria falls.
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    Post  calm Mon May 22, 2017 6:34 pm

    Vann7 wrote:
    Is an irony ,that at night , with infra red technology that Russia use , is easier to detect
    terrorist. that in the day with plain sight. It looks Russia  mastered the art of night vision
    tech..

    That is Turan Batalion, PMC.

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    Post  0nillie0 Mon May 22, 2017 7:13 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    All these Russian speakers here and I am the one who has to post this kind of news? Or is it considered inconvenient now to mention that Russian troops are being killed so that Syrian cockroaches may flee?

    Two more Russians soldiers reportedly killed May 3rd after being abandoned by fleeing regime forces

    Evgeny Konstantinov, commander of an assault battalion and adviser, and Aleksandr Skladan, who commanded recon.


    http://www.rbc.ru/politics/22/05/2017/5922a34c9a7947d678cf0a78?from=main

    I am looking forward to news of random Israeli/USA jets bombing SAA scum again.

    This bullshit demands at least 100 dead SAA vermin per one dead Russian. Realistic number would be 1.000 but since this is a war they can get a line of credit. Hopefully USMC and IAF will redeem the coupon for 10.000 down the road.

    I will post this on both treads just so that people don't celebrate too hard next time worthless SAA rats advance 20 meters.


    For every Russian that has set foot in Syria, well over 10.000 Syrians fighting on the same side, have already died, and 10.000 more probably will. This is a tragedy. You are acting like this is a football match or something.
    This is simply what happens in a war of attrition. You expect an SAA conscript to go Private Ryan every time a Russian does his job? They are not on the same level. accept it, this will happen again, it is the nature of this war.
    If Russians in the field had the same attitude, nothing would get done anyway. Russia and SAA are fighting scum of the earth. The less people die in this fight against evil, the better.

    RIP for those men. But they did what they are trained to do. That is what happens when you put men and mice on the front line unfortunately. This is the reality of years of war of attrition. No reason to simply ask for more death.


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    Post  PapaDragon Mon May 22, 2017 7:25 pm

    0nillie0 wrote:.................
    For every Russian that has set foot in Syria, well over 10.000 Syrians fighting on the same side, have already died, and 10.000 more probably will. This is a tragedy. You are acting like this is a football match or something

    This is simply what happens in a war of attrition. You expect an SAA conscript to go Private Ryan every time a Russian does his job? They are not on the same level. accept it, this will happen again, it is the nature of this war....................


    Two more Russians soldiers reportedly killed May 3rd after being abandoned by fleeing regime forces

    I emphasized again the problematic part and it has nothing to do with war of attrition.

    If you still don't see the problem then I can's explain any further.
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    Post  0nillie0 Mon May 22, 2017 7:33 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:

    I am looking forward to news of random Israeli/USA jets bombing SAA scum again.

    This bullshit demands at least 100 dead SAA vermin per one dead Russian. Realistic number would be 1.000 but since this is a war they can get a line of credit. Hopefully USMC and IAF will redeem the coupon for 10.000 down the road.
    Well for me this part is also problematic. If you cant understand THAT, then i also cant explain any further.

    But all entitled to his own opinions.
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    Post  ultimatewarrior Mon May 22, 2017 8:30 pm

    Like I said, Russia could have ended the war by now by deploying thousands of ground forces backed up by long range artillery, long range recon planes, counter battery radars. Heck, they can shoot Smerch from Latakia city right into Idlib city. Give the rebels an ultimatum. Surrender within a month or Idlib city will be leveled. I bet they will surrender. Putin is in Syria not to end the war, but rather to prolong the war for Israel. The down side of this is more and more Russian servicemen will die here and there every now and then for nothing.
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    Post  PapaDragon Mon May 22, 2017 9:05 pm

    0nillie0 wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:

    I am looking forward to news of random Israeli/USA jets bombing SAA scum again.

    This bullshit demands at least 100 dead SAA vermin per one dead Russian. Realistic number would be 1.000 but since this is a war they can get a line of credit. Hopefully USMC and IAF will redeem the coupon for 10.000 down the road.
    Well for me this part is also problematic. If you cant understand THAT, then i also cant explain any further.

    But all entitled to his own opinions.

    Simple.

    Russians should gather up all those who fled, put the bullet in their skulls, film it and post it online as a warning to other idiots who might try to do the same.

    But since that would hurt some local feelings then USAF and IAF might as well pick up the slack in a different way, it's all good.
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    Post  Vann7 Mon May 22, 2017 10:23 pm

    ultimatewarrior wrote:Like I said, Russia could have ended the war by now by deploying thousands of ground forces backed up by long range artillery, long range recon planes, counter battery radars..


    And who is going to Pay for that?  You ?
    You think money grow in trees? Russia is not an economic super power dude.
    As it have been said  a million of times to you , the conflict in Syria is a NATO/gulf terror states/Israel proxy war on Russia ,and they have infinite more resources to keep the conflict
    going for many decades. Not Even US could last a decade with a big army in vietnam ,iRAQ
    or korea. 3 trillions dollars americans wasted in IRAQ invasion. You think Russia have such money?  The war will not end with the defeat of the Rebels in Syria. Russia also will need
    to fight Israel army, Turkey army ,jordanian army and American coalition forces too.
    IF you move to the borders of any of those nations ,neighbors of Syria they will bomb you across border or with their airforce. and RUssia is not yet enthusiastic to start a world war 3 with many countries in defense of a nation that is bankrupt and Russia needs to finance them and even feed them, a country of muslins that Russians will not like their own needs to be
    sacrificed for middle east. . Russia have a responsibility with 140millions of Russian citizens more than with Syrians. So any decision taken needs to take account the economy of Russia. Wars is not just sending army..and problem solved. this is only hollywood. In wars Economy also matters. IF Russia send a large army with 100 or a thousand tanks to Syria , it will be like the Afgan -soviets war. Where Russia won all the battles but in the end ,after a decade of war and thousands of Russians soldiers killed ,they had to retreat because of this $$$ ,it could not finance more the war. So they lost in the end for not taking into account the economic side of the war. and then Russia have the Ukraine frontline too.. So Americans wants to create a vietnam for Russia. they could start another front line in Serbia ,create another war there forcing Russia to interfere . Russia needs to help Syria without sending a major army ,or wasting more money they can.Already Russia operation cost half a billion dollars every year. or near $600 millions every year. last numbers i saw. this is not a small money for Russia economy.  Delaying the conflict and promoting dialogue  ,while holding the major cities and bleeding the rebels that needs large armies to do any offensive is the most practical way to win the war. Until now Russia operations have given some results. You see this cease of fires the rebels gets tired of fighting and simply give up.  lol1

    and in some other case , Russia managed to incite two terrorist groups to fight each other so they don't need to even fight them ,they kill each other. this is the best tactic by far. most effective one of all. To divide terrorist and force them to fight each other. Smile

    So Russia and Syria army actions in Syria ,even though incredibly painfully slow , and even
    embarrassing at time ,are working in little by little clear the cities. Now Americans with their Saudi friends are seeking to push harder now ,with more reinforcements to restart the jihadist offensive.  So US,NATO,Saudis ,TUrkey ,Israel are getting a small vietnan in Syria. But if Russia sends a large army it will be the other way. and while Syria conflict is frozen ,the American and european citizens at home will become more and more informed of the dirty war going on there. and it will only create more bad public opinion against politicians supporting Saudi Arabia war. Trump image is now falling big time. So he will be unable to continue justify the war and support for Saudis is a major protest start against the war. Russia plan is not perfect ,is very slow but is the only way Russia could afford to help Syria. any major full invasion of Syria as you want with thousands of tanks will only get Russia into a military conflict with all the US coalition and border nations of Syria.

    What Putin should do instead ,is to completely end Russia economy dependence on oil energy First and collapse Saudi Arabia economy so they will be unable to finance any more terrorist. and if invent a new form of energy ,that completely replace Oil , then it will collapse Saudi Arabia economy and end US dollar value. Something like that will end the US empire and end terrorism sponsorship from middle east, since they all will be broken. bankrupt. No longer middle east will matter, and the pipeline no longer needed ,since no body will use Oil anymore.
    Russia needs to attack the energy business used by its enemies to finance terrorism or blackmail nations. and replace it by another. lets say nuclear energy ,hydrogen cars. solar cars.
    etc. that will sink Middle east energy for terrorist business ,and US economy ,since no longer Dollars will be used to buy energy. then the wars for oil or natural gas pipelines will end.


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    Post  JohninMK Mon May 22, 2017 10:45 pm

    Vann7 wrote:
    ultimatewarrior wrote:Like I said, Russia could have ended the war by now by deploying thousands of ground forces backed up by long range artillery, long range recon planes, counter battery radars..


    And who is going to Pay for that?  You ?
    You think money grow in trees? Russia is not an economic super power dude.
    As it have been said  a million of times to you , the conflict in Syria is a NATO/gulf terror states/Israel proxy war on Russia ,and they have infinite more resources to keep the conflict
    going for many decades. Not Even US could last a decade with a big army in vietnam ,iRAQ
    or korea. 3 trillions dollars americans wasted in IRAQ invasion. You think Russia have such money?  The war will not end with the defeat of the Rebels in Syria. Russia also will need
    to fight Israel army, Turkey army ,jordanian army and American coalition forces too.
    IF you move to the borders of any of those nations ,neighbors of Syria they will bomb you across border or with their airforce. and RUssia is not yet enthusiastic to start a world war 3 with many countries in defense of a nation that is bankrupt and Russia needs to finance them . Russia have a responsibility with 140millions of Russian citizens more than with Syrians. So any decision taken needs to take account the economy of Russia. Wars is not just sending army..
    and problem solved. this is only hollywood. In wars Economy also matters. IF Russia send a large army with 100 or a thousand tanks to Syria , it will be like the Afgan -soviets war.
    Where Russia won all the battles but in the end ,after a decade of war and thousands of Russians soldiers killed ,they had to retreat. So Americans wants to create a vietnam for Russia. and Russia needs to help Syria without sending a major army ,or wasting too much money. Delaying the conflict ,while holding the major cities and bleeding the rebels that needs large armies to do any offensive is the most practical way to win the war. Saudis ,NATO and TUrkey ,Israel are getting a vietnan in Syria. But if Russia sends a large army it will be the other way.
    Spot on Vann. Note how even the mighty US is having to fight the war in Syria using proxies. Just imagine the effect in the US of the casualties that the SDF are taking (note which we never hear about) if they were US troops dying. The US has not won a war for a very long time and I can't see it winning either in Syria or Afghanistan let alone against a 'proper' country like Iran.
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    Post  ultimatewarrior Mon May 22, 2017 10:49 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    0nillie0 wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:

    I am looking forward to news of random Israeli/USA jets bombing SAA scum again.

    This bullshit demands at least 100 dead SAA vermin per one dead Russian. Realistic number would be 1.000 but since this is a war they can get a line of credit. Hopefully USMC and IAF will redeem the coupon for 10.000 down the road.
    Well for me this part is also problematic. If you cant understand THAT, then i also cant explain any further.

    But all entitled to his own opinions.

    Simple.

    Russians should gather up all those who fled, put the bullet in their skulls, film it and post it online as a warning to other idiots who might try to do the same.

    But since that would hurt some local feelings then USAF and IAF might as well pick up the slack in a different way, it's all good.

    SAA is a Russia's proxy army in Syria. If Russia do that to SAA, then SAA join FSA and slaughter every Russian in Syria and cause Russia spring in Russia. Every major Russian city would be bombed. Millions die. Is that what you would like to see in Russia? Be careful what you wish for.
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    Post  ultimatewarrior Mon May 22, 2017 10:50 pm

    Vann7 wrote:
    ultimatewarrior wrote:Like I said, Russia could have ended the war by now by deploying thousands of ground forces backed up by long range artillery, long range recon planes, counter battery radars..


    And who is going to Pay for that?  You ?
    You think money grow in trees? Russia is not an economic super power dude.
    As it have been said  a million of times to you , the conflict in Syria is a NATO/gulf terror states/Israel proxy war on Russia ,and they have infinite more resources to keep the conflict
    going for many decades. Not Even US could last a decade with a big army in vietnam ,iRAQ
    or korea. 3 trillions dollars americans wasted in IRAQ invasion. You think Russia have such money?  The war will not end with the defeat of the Rebels in Syria. Russia also will need
    to fight Israel army, Turkey army ,jordanian army and American coalition forces too.
    IF you move to the borders of any of those nations ,neighbors of Syria they will bomb you across border or with their airforce. and RUssia is not yet enthusiastic to start a world war 3 with many countries in defense of a nation that is bankrupt and Russia needs to finance them . Russia have a responsibility with 140millions of Russian citizens more than with Syrians. So any decision taken needs to take account the economy of Russia. Wars is not just sending army..
    and problem solved. this is only hollywood. In wars Economy also matters. IF Russia send a large army with 100 or a thousand tanks to Syria , it will be like the Afgan -soviets war.
    Where Russia won all the battles but in the end ,after a decade of war and thousands of Russians soldiers killed ,they had to retreat because of this $$$ ,it could not finance more the war. So they lost in the end for not taking into account the economic side of the war. and then Russia have the Ukraine frontline too.. So Americans wants to create a vietnam for Russia. they could start another front line in Serbia ,create another war there forcing Russia to interfere . Russia needs to help Syria without sending a major army ,or wasting more money they can.
    Already Russia operation cost half a billion dollars every year. or near $600 millions every year.
    last numbers i saw. this is not a small money for Russia economy.  Delaying the conflict and promoting dialogue  ,while holding the major cities and bleeding the rebels that needs large armies to do any offensive is the most practical way to win the war. Until now Russia operations have given some results. You see this cease of fires the rebels gets tired of fighting
    and simply give up.  lol1 and in some other case , Russia managed to incite two terrorist groups to fight each other so they don't need to waste their energies or risk their lives..  Wink
    So Russia and Syria army actions in Syria ,even though incredibly slow are working in little by
    little clear the cities. Now Americans with their Saudi friends are seeking to push harder now ,with more reinforcements to restart the jihadist offensive.  So US,NATO,Saudis ,TUrkey ,Israel are getting a small vietnan in Syria. But if Russia sends a large army it will be the other way.
    and while Syria conflict is frozen ,the American and european citizens at home will become more and more informed of the dirty war going on there. and it will only create more bad public opinion against politicians supporting Saudi Arabia war. Trump image is now falling big time.
    So he will be unable to continue justify the war and support for Saudis is a major protest start
    against the war. Russia plan is not perfect ,is very slow but is the only way Russia could afford
    to help Syria. any major full invasion of Syria as you want with thousands of tanks will only
    get Russia into a military conflict with all the US coalition and border nations of Syria.

    What Putin should do instead ,is to completely end Russia economy dependence on oil energy First and collapse Saudi Arabia economy so they will be unable to finance any more terrorist. and if invent a new form of energy ,that completely replace Oil , then it will collapse Saudi Arabia economy and end US dollar value.  

    Who's going to pay for that? How much did Hitler pay to slaughter millions of Russians?

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