Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #9

PapaDragon wrote:
That Su-34 is haulin' some impressive quantities  

Mostly old footage I think

Great News guys! According to President of the Academy of Geopolitical Problems, Ph.D. of Military Sciences Konstantin Sivkov, sorties carried out from the Hamadan airfield (Iran) will increase the efficiency of bombing raids on ISHILL/Free Sectarian Army by 3 Fold!

"If the flights of the Mozdok military Tu-22M3 load can not be more than 5-8 tonnes, as the flight range is about 3 thousand kilometers. While in Iran, and acting on the radius of 700 kilometers, they can take the ultimate bomb load of about 22 tons. That have combat effectiveness is increased by at least three times ", - said Sivkov.


Expert: departures from Iran have increased three times the efficiency of video conferencing strikes IG

3 fold increase in efficiency makes perfect sense:

1.) The distance is 60% shorter.

2.) Which allows the combat load to be 3-4 times larger.

Cyberspec wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:
That Su-34 is haulin' some impressive quantities  

Mostly old footage I think

The shot captioned in the video title is definitely stock footage. But good to know they are in action again.

@magnumcromagnon

That is good news indeed. Perhaps we will see that center stack used as well.

The problem that RUAF was facing was that the U.S satellite reconnaisance was DIRECTLY transferring Russia aviation flight data to Alnusra, jayesh al ftaah etc.

RUssia was forced to decrease the no of flights from hmameim air base. It uses the airbase for quick retaliation against terrorists.

THis is a real fact. LOts of terrorists were able to save themselves just by receving real time data from US Air force intelligence.

THe use of Iranian air field is a desparate measure in order to partially hide the RUAF operations from U.S satellite and ground based intelligence.

Estimates are that almost 1000 rebels were saved from RUssian strikes during past 2-3 weeks by real time data received from U.S military

Russia is fighting an intelligence war in syria and most of the rebels are receiving this data (RUss air force) from the U.S.

This is an extremely sensitive area hence no news/media has published this information.

Ruaf is doing its best to maintain coded communication and the target selection during the flight operations.

Kuznetsov will also help in expansion of Ruaf flights and making U.S satellite intelligence and ground intelligence incapable of estimating the exact flight trajectory of RU aviation.

BUt we will see how RUAF will adapt to this scenario of terrorits receving real time data of russian aircraft.

gaurav wrote:
The problem that RUAF was facing was that the U.S satellite reconnaisance was DIRECTLY transferring Russia aviation flight data to Alnusra, jayesh al ftaah etc.

RUssia was forced to decrease the no of flights from hmameim air base. It uses the airbase for quick retaliation against terrorists.

THis is a real fact. LOts of terrorists were able to save themselves just by receving real time data from US Air force intelligence.

THe use of Iranian air field is a desparate measure in order to partially hide the RUAF operations from U.S satellite and ground based intelligence.

Estimates are that almost 1000 rebels were saved from RUssian strikes during past 2-3 weeks by real time data received from U.S military

Russia is fighting an intelligence war in syria and most of the rebels are receiving this data (RUss air force) from the U.S.

This is an extremely sensitive area hence no news/media has published this information.

Ruaf is doing its best to maintain coded communication and the target selection during the flight operations.

Kuznetsov will also help in expansion of Ruaf flights and making U.S satellite intelligence and ground intelligence incapable of estimating the exact flight trajectory of RU aviation.

BUt we will see how RUAF will adapt to this scenario of terrorits receving real time data of russian aircraft.

BS. Stop making excuses for yourself. Buildings don't move. Jaysh Fateh took artillery base in days whereas SAA simply run away. Stop blaming SAA's incompetence on US intelligence supplied to Jaysh Fateh. You are living in la la land. The US does not supply intelligence to Jaysh Fateh.

Russia’s bombers make third raid from airdrome in Iran to attack IS
http://tass.com/defense/894900

And even if they do (which US probably does), wouldn't make much of a difference since it takes time to decode messages, then transfer to the terrorists, and then terrorists prepping to leave. Russian aircraft and bombs would reach the enemy far sooner. Satellite footage isn't like hollywood, it needs to be in position and there is always a delay in information being translated and sent to the viewer. And satellite images do not just disappear because you have another airbase, since Iran is spied on 24/7. All this is, is giving Russia another location to fly heavier bombers from, and bomb targets. Rather than bringing those Tu-22M from direct Russia or into the Russian airbase in Syria.

Wow. New bombs made this year.

Disposed of in a curiously Russian manner.

I don't think this excuse of Americans warning Jaysh Fateh of Russian air strikes has any legs. First, the US has no relation with Jaysh Fateh. Second, Smerch 90 km range 300 mm caliber cannot be warned. The US has no counter battery radars in Syria.

Russia announced weekly 48 hours ceasefire in Aleppo for humanitarian aid in the middle of the biggest battle on the face of the planet. Hopefully Russian servicemen won't get killed in Aleppo delivering humanitarian aid like what happened a few days ago when 5 Russian servicemen were killed doing that. Jaysh Fateh rejected ceasefire in Aleppo and when Russian servicemen come to deliver humanitarian aid they will kill Russian servicemen and desecrate the bodies of Russian servicemen.

Russians have gone too soft. They are nowhere close to their grandparents who beat Nazis.

Nothing like looking up to the beautiful clear blue sky and seeing a 250 kilo winged metal cylinder heading for your left nostril. It's one of the things that lifelong memories are made of albeit however short the memory may be.

sepheronx wrote:And even if they do (which US probably does), wouldn't make much of a difference since it takes time to decode messages, then transfer to the terrorists, and then terrorists prepping to leave. Russian aircraft and bombs would reach the enemy far sooner. Satellite footage isn't like hollywood, it needs to be in position and there is always a delay in information being translated and sent to the viewer.  And satellite images do not just disappear because you have another airbase, since Iran is spied on 24/7.  All this is, is giving Russia another location to fly heavier bombers from, and bomb targets. Rather than bringing those Tu-22M from direct Russia or into the Russian airbase in Syria.

The main issue here is that it's not the US that has a direct channel with JaF or ex-JaN, it's Turkey.

And even if they do (which US probably does), wouldn't make much of a difference since it takes time to decode messages, then transfer to the terrorists, and then terrorists prepping to leave. Russian aircraft and bombs would reach the enemy far sooner. Satellite footage isn't like hollywood, it needs to be in position and there is always a delay in information being translated and sent to the viewer. And satellite images do not just disappear because you have another airbase, since Iran is spied on 24/7. All this is, is giving Russia another location to fly heavier bombers from, and bomb targets. Rather than bringing those Tu-22M from direct Russia or into the Russian airbase in Syria

Yaah yu are correct. I did not say 100 percent of russian air strikes were duds. This issue came up in some russian defense ministry (some forum) meeting.
The terrorists were getting live feeds (not from turkey) but directly from NRO(Recon satellite) which is directly controlled by U.S air force intelligence.
No country has teh capacity of satellite except U.S. Russia also has tonnes of ways to disable those optical or thermal early warning satellites.

The Aleppo operation is so sophisticated and well planned by RUAF and Syrian army .We are very confident of that. This operation has scared the shit out of german and U.S nato generals who are now shouting murder murder ,murder all day long

Inspite of the real time data (U.S recon) almost 5000 rebels (more than that)have been KIA, Injured in action) in last 2-3 weeks alone.

Amount of casualties among US backed rebels have never been so high. It is unprecedented. U.S gov is shouting stop stop stop .. this Aleppo operation.

So hence RUAF is trying its best to scatter its operation so as to make it more difficult for U.S satellites to catch its aircraft position.
This satellite warning is very special operation to save the lives of rebels.Of course Russia will be discussing these with their U.S counterparts.

I just wanted to point out the extent and desperation on part of U.S(not US but some agencies inside U.S) to save their rebels. Potus is simply not in command any more.
He is just doing more of the same by war , war and more war while Russia is trying to stabilize the situation in every way.

The main issue here is that it's not the US that has a direct channel with JaF or ex-JaN, it's Turkey.

Yaah turkeys role is instrumental in saving the terrorists from Russ air strikes. Some how those info channels are still maintained at very high level from U.S cmd in Turkey to AL nusra /jayesh etc.

U.S government acknowleding that satellite intel shared with NUsra /Jayesh/Islamic conquest

Veteranstoday wrote:Russia decided to use the Hamadan airfield in Iran to prevent terrorists from spying on its strategic aircraft taking part in the Moscow-led counterterrorism operation in Syria, the Vzglyad newspaper asserted.
The business daily maintained that spying appears to have become a major issue since some radical groups fighting in Syria have lately succeeded in hiding from incoming Russian airstrikes. This, according to the media outlet, seems to indicate that someone has been tracking Russian strategic aircraft and sharing this information with the militants.

veteranstoday wrote:“We would rather not point fingers but jihadists and ‘moderate’ rebels who joined them have managed to hide from Russian warplanes suspiciously too often. This could only be done if they have access to satellite surveillance data,” the business daily suggested.

U.S media starts publishing U.S Sat recon help to rebels

This is a very sensitive issue hence no news/media is covering this.
Note that veterans today has professional writers who have reliable sources both in U.S military and in U.S corporate elites. They publish facts and not some bull shit like CNN(Clinton news net, fox, bbc, msnbc etc etc)

I don't doubt it for a moment, but from my understanding of the technology behind a lot of this stuff, is that Satellites do not work exactly like they show in Hollywood where you just zoom in on an area and get full time, real time data. I may be wrong but this wasn't the case a few years ago. So I assume that they are getting it through other means and are guesstimating where the Russians would strike, and let us not forget, Russian authorities are trying to be real honest and good to a criminal enterprise (USA) and providing them with info, so that can be passed off too.

I figure now, that has changed, especially with allowing the planes to bomb flying from Iran.

So yeah, there are multitude of reasons why. Your idea that they are using it to confuse the US as to how/where they will strike is probably just that indeed.

KoTeMoRe wrote:

sepheronx wrote:And even if they do (which US probably does), wouldn't make much of a difference since it takes time to decode messages, then transfer to the terrorists, and then terrorists prepping to leave. Russian aircraft and bombs would reach the enemy far sooner. Satellite footage isn't like hollywood, it needs to be in position and there is always a delay in information being translated and sent to the viewer.  And satellite images do not just disappear because you have another airbase, since Iran is spied on 24/7.  All this is, is giving Russia another location to fly heavier bombers from, and bomb targets. Rather than bringing those Tu-22M from direct Russia or into the Russian airbase in Syria.

The main issue here is that it's not the US that has a direct channel with JaF or ex-JaN, it's Turkey.

And you know this how exactly? Yeah, the US doesn't share a direct channel with the radicals, they only support "moderates". Do you honestly think the US doesn't have a spiderweb of intel-sharing and control over every anti-Syrian opposition force in the region? Come on man. That's why they almost lost some of their blokes on the ground recently to a VKS strike, they bitched to high heaven about it as I recall.

Sepheronx wrote:I don't doubt it for a moment, but from my understanding of the technology behind a lot of this stuff, is that Satellites do not work exactly like they show in Hollywood where you just zoom in on an area and get full time, real time data. I may be wrong but this wasn't the case a few years ago. So I assume that they are getting it through other means and are guesstimating where the Russians would strike, and let us not forget, Russian authorities are trying to be real honest and good to a criminal enterprise (USA) and providing them with info, so that can be passed off too.

Yes that word is guesstimating. This is what was happening. The NUmber of Aircraft and their tracking information along with estimated targets were being supplied to top NUsra , Jayesh commanders. After that presumably the terrorists used to change their positions.
Russia uses precise bombing techniques. Hence the if the target is a false one the whole airstrike fails/goes waste.

Russia must take corrective measures to prevent U.S INtelligence from guesstimating their targets.

OminousSpudd wrote:Yeah, the US doesn't share a direct channel with the radicals, they only support "moderates". Do you honestly think the US doesn't have a spiderweb of intel-sharing and control over every anti-Syrian opposition force in the region?

Bang on target. To the point.
  I dont think U.S is using turkey to share critical imaging and tracking data with NUsra/Jayesh. THey are directly interfacing with these groups and sharing teh data.
  This behaviour of US is totally psychopathic(no other words). Even in full blown NUke war U.S will not share real time imaging data with its allies. THis is teh level  
  this syria fiasco has gone down too.

Perhaps we are looking at this too narrowly. Maybe the phrase 'satellite intelligence' is a general catch-all and also includes data from other Intel assets like Global Hawk, U-2, etc that will almost certainly be in theatre and be churning out very time sensitive data.

Also, there must be a good chance that Coalition SF or other forces embedded or in the information chain to these groups, is passing on the intelligence.

Analysis - https://www.stratfor.com/sample/analysis/iran-russias-new-staging-post

Satellite imagery from Aug. 17 shows the continued presence of Russian military aviation at Hamedan air base, west of Tehran. A number of Su-34 fighter-bombers are present, with four aircraft located close to each other at the eastern end of the airfield. Photographs posted online Aug. 15 showed at least three Russian Tu-22M3 strategic bombers (also known by their NATO reporting name, Backfire) at the air base. Moscow and Tehran have officially confirmed the presence of Russian military aviation assets in Iran. Having previously used the base as a refueling stop, the Russian aircraft now appear to be conducting operations from there, striking targets in Syria since Aug. 16.

For Moscow, the benefits of this new arrangement are clear. Previously, the Tu-22M3 bombers had been flying from Russia to strike Syria. Staging air power from Iran shortens flight time, enabling Russian warplanes to fly more sorties and carry heavier payloads, while at the same time reducing maintenance and overall costs. Airfields are available in Syria, but Moscow claims that the Tu-22M3 is not suitable for deployment to places such as Hmeimim air base, southeast of Latakia, thanks to the airfield's small size and lack of capacity to handle large aircraft.

Though this is not the first time Russian Tu-22M3s have visited Hamedan air base, it is the first talk of semi-permanent basing — as opposed to forward staging, refueling and resupplying. This could be the continuation of a trend. After their first airstrikes on Syria, Russia's long-range bombers returned to their bases in Russia. In subsequent sorties, these aircraft stopped briefly at Hamedan to refuel. The satellite imagery, obtained by Stratfor through our partners at AllSource Analysis, confirms that the previously sighted Tu-22M3 bombers have since departed.

The presence of Su-34s at Hamedan air base also suggests reasons for Russia's presence beyond airfield suitability; Su-34s are routinely flown from Hmeimim air base in Syria, an airfield much closer to target areas than Hamedan is. One factor contributing to the reallocation of resources could be security concerns. Russia has complained that the tactical and operational security of its air operations in Syria may be compromised, allowing rebels to relocate to avoid incoming airstrikes. Since the rebels have likely planted spotters close to Hmeimim air base to monitor air activity, this is not inconceivable. Staging from Hamedan air base in Iran counters this potential tactic. Furthermore, the deployment of Su-34s to Hamedan air base could also be a means of maintaining a consistent presence there while the larger Tu-22M3 bombers periodically utilize the air base before returning to specialized airfields in Russia.

OminousSpudd wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:

sepheronx wrote:And even if they do (which US probably does), wouldn't make much of a difference since it takes time to decode messages, then transfer to the terrorists, and then terrorists prepping to leave. Russian aircraft and bombs would reach the enemy far sooner. Satellite footage isn't like hollywood, it needs to be in position and there is always a delay in information being translated and sent to the viewer.  And satellite images do not just disappear because you have another airbase, since Iran is spied on 24/7.  All this is, is giving Russia another location to fly heavier bombers from, and bomb targets. Rather than bringing those Tu-22M from direct Russia or into the Russian airbase in Syria.

The main issue here is that it's not the US that has a direct channel with JaF or ex-JaN, it's Turkey.

And you know this how exactly? Yeah, the US doesn't share a direct channel with the radicals, they only support "moderates". Do you honestly think the US doesn't have a spiderweb of intel-sharing and control over every anti-Syrian opposition force in the region? Come on man. That's why they almost lost some of their blokes on the ground recently to a VKS strike, they bitched to high heaven about it as I recall.

I know that because the "moderates" have a long history of having direct relations with US "friends", then ending up dead from a "rival" group attack. In the last two years the "moderates" have pust space between them and the US "help", this spacing has been done by Turkey, that now is in charge of commo with Ahrar and JaN/Jaf. For Aleppo if the US was the one talking, we wouldn't have had such glorious impact of the VKS the two first days of attack (including direct hits on assault groups). And no the US doesn't do micro-managment. It does top down control, it sponsors bigger structures, not individual groups. Now this doesn't mean they aren't responsible for "leaks" to groups, after all they know when Turkey does its shit. But to accuse the US of directly talking with AQ regarding Aleppo is stupid, not because the US doesn't want to talk with AQ, but because AQ doesn't want to become the next target for the US. Every tool exceeds its usefulness at some point. The beardies know this...