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    Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #9

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    Post  Resistance Sat Jul 02, 2016 9:27 pm

    Volunteers? BS. These are US special forces embedded with rebels. They think they can march on Damascus betting on Assad don't dare bomb Americans and start a war with the US. Well, guess what, they will be bombed and there's nothing Hillary can do about that Razz



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    Post  Guest Sun Jul 03, 2016 12:30 am

    Resistance wrote:Volunteers? BS. These are US special forces embedded with rebels. They think they can march on Damascus betting on Assad don't dare bomb Americans and start a war with the US. Well, guess what, they will be bombed and there's nothing Hillary can do about that  Razz



    I know Resistance is on many ignore lists already so sorry to everyone for bypassing it but the video is worth a look.

    A small clarification too, although US Special Forces are essentially leading the SDF, but the guy in the video was just a volunteer.

    In a sense, Resistance isn't wrong too. I imagine the SDF and Rojava issue is why Turkey decided to thaw relations with Russia.
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    Post  eehnie Sun Jul 03, 2016 7:42 am

    Turkey decided to thaw relations with Russia, but Russia not. And I do not expect Russia does because Russia has 0 interest on it.

    In fact Russia is interested in a weak Turkey.
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    Post  kvs Sun Jul 03, 2016 8:15 am

    eehnie wrote:Turkey decided to thaw relations with Russia, but Russia not. And I do not expect Russia does because Russia has 0 interest on it.

    In fact Russia is interested in a weak Turkey.

    The family of the murdered Russian pilot did not get the impression that Turkey was serious about any thaw.
    You sound like Russia is engaged in wrong doing and that sounds like trolling.
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Sun Jul 03, 2016 8:51 am

    kvs wrote:
    eehnie wrote:Turkey decided to thaw relations with Russia, but Russia not. And I do not expect Russia does because Russia has 0 interest on it.

    In fact Russia is interested in a weak Turkey.

    The family of the murdered Russian pilot did not get the impression that Turkey was serious about any thaw.

    Family of murdered pilot has private an very emotional approach to situation. What is very much understandable.

    Russia has only one geopolitical foe US/UK. Russia and Turkey have no feelings or friendship. They have national interests. Apparently both are facing much bigger threat than Syria. Apparently terrorist attacks and arming Kurds is part of bigger game of Anglo-Saxon elites. Gas pipes is other thing of strategic importance that US is trying to kill.





    kvs wrote: You sound like Russia is engaged in wrong doing and that sounds like trolling.

    naah he just know better then Putin what to do about geopolitics
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    Post  Resistance Sun Jul 03, 2016 4:18 pm

    Why don't Russia give SAA counter battery radars the way the US gave Ukraine counter battery radars? Latakia would be easily cleared. Easily. If SAA has counter battery radars to locate bad artilleries.
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    Post  Resistance Sun Jul 03, 2016 4:36 pm

    Erdogan's apology about the pilot is not sincere. Think about it. For almost a year after the shoot down, Erdogan said, Turkey will never apologize. Now all of a sudden Erdogan apologizes when Aleppo is about to be retaken. This is no coincidence. Erdogan is trying to save the terrorists by making Putin make Assad stop the offensive. If Assad stops the offensive, then SAA will defect to terrorists and Damascus will be taken by terrorists. No soldier would fight for a side that is ordered to only retreat and is ordered to not return fire when fired upon. If terrorists get close to the Russian base in Latakia, Russia will have 2 choices. Either leave Syria or fight a bloody ground war.
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    Post  Vann7 Sun Jul 03, 2016 6:19 pm

    Resistance wrote:Why don't Russia give SAA counter battery radars the way the US gave Ukraine counter battery radars? Latakia would be easily cleared. Easily. If SAA has counter battery radars to locate bad artilleries.


    there are counter battery of Russia in Syria.. Someone posted a picture of it.
    The only missing things in Syria is Russia to provide the Syrian army with T-72
    tanks with upgraded targeting control ,and night vision so they can properly deal with
    waves of suicide bombers. The Syrian army is not well prepared to fight that. Why
    regular army needs to retreat whenever the terrorist start a major scale assault.

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    Post  Resistance Sun Jul 03, 2016 6:56 pm

    Vann7 wrote:
    Resistance wrote:Why don't Russia give SAA counter battery radars the way the US gave Ukraine counter battery radars? Latakia would be easily cleared. Easily. If SAA has counter battery radars to locate bad artilleries.


    there are counter battery of Russia in Syria.. Someone posted a picture of it.
    The only missing things in Syria is Russia to provide the Syrian army with T-72
    tanks with upgraded targeting control ,and night vision so they can properly deal with
    waves of suicide bombers.  The Syrian army is not well prepared to fight that. Why
    regular army needs to retreat whenever the terrorist start a major scale assault.


    No need for tanks. Range too short. ATGM cars are much more efficient.

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    Post  calm Sun Jul 03, 2016 8:37 pm

    Russian cruise missile obliterates rebel TOW storage base in western Aleppo
    https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/russian-cruise-missile-obliterates-rebel-tow-storage-base-western-aleppo/ | Al-Masdar News

    This evening, a Russian warship in the Mediterranean launched a long-range cruise missile which landed on the rebel-held town of Al-Qassimyah in the western Aleppo countryside. According to an Al-Masdar source embedded with the Tiger Forces in northern Aleppo, the coordinates for the target were a large storage building holding U.S. supplied TOW anti-tank missiles. The Russian military relies heavily on the Syrian Arab Army’s (SAA) Tiger Forces to carry out long-range missile attacks and airstrikes – in fact, Major General Suheil al-Hassan himself was said to have instructed tonight’s pinpoint attack, according to the military source. Meanwhile, the SAA’s Tiger Forces are preparing a ground offensive to capture the southern part of the Al-Mallah farms which are still held by Islamist insurgents, despite some reports to the contrary.
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    Post  PapaDragon Sun Jul 03, 2016 8:53 pm

    Vann7 wrote:.....
    there are counter battery of Russia in Syria.. Someone posted a picture of it.
    The only missing things in Syria is Russia to provide the Syrian army with T-72
    tanks with upgraded targeting control ,and night vision so they can properly deal with
    waves of suicide bombers.  The Syrian army is not well prepared to fight that. Why
    regular army needs to retreat whenever the terrorist start a major scale assault.

    Syrian army does not need anything more than what they have, they are oversupplied as it is.

    They need to start shooting at the enemy instead of running away at first hint of danger.
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    Post  Resistance Sun Jul 03, 2016 9:01 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Vann7 wrote:.....
    there are counter battery of Russia in Syria.. Someone posted a picture of it.
    The only missing things in Syria is Russia to provide the Syrian army with T-72
    tanks with upgraded targeting control ,and night vision so they can properly deal with
    waves of suicide bombers.  The Syrian army is not well prepared to fight that. Why
    regular army needs to retreat whenever the terrorist start a major scale assault.

    Syrian army does not need anything more than what they have, they are oversupplied as it is.

    They need to start shooting at the enemy instead of running away at first hint of danger.

    SAA soldiers are secular. They are not mujahideen who willingly die for Allah. Pound for pound, mujahideen eat SAA soldiers alive for breakfast, lunch, dinner. Heck, not even American armed and trained NSA stand a chance against mujahideen.


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    Post  eehnie Sun Jul 03, 2016 10:06 pm

    kvs wrote:
    eehnie wrote:Turkey decided to thaw relations with Russia, but Russia not. And I do not expect Russia does because Russia has 0 interest on it.

    In fact Russia is interested in a weak Turkey.

    The family of the murdered Russian pilot did not get the impression that Turkey was serious about any thaw.
    You sound like Russia is engaged in wrong doing and that sounds like trolling.

    I understand Russia keeping frozen relations with Turkey. Nothing wrong with it. I reject the behaviour of Turkey. I expresed it in previous comments.

    I'm habitually in the side of the peace worldwide, and I think the behaviour of Turkey is a serious danger for it.
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    Post  kvs Mon Jul 04, 2016 12:44 am

    Resistance wrote:Erdogan's apology about the pilot is not sincere. Think about it. For almost a year after the shoot down, Erdogan said, Turkey will never apologize. Now all of a sudden Erdogan apologizes when Aleppo is about to be retaken. This is no coincidence. Erdogan is trying to save the terrorists by making Putin make Assad stop the offensive. If Assad stops the offensive, then SAA will defect to terrorists and Damascus will be taken by terrorists. No soldier would fight for a side that is ordered to only retreat and is ordered to not return fire when fired upon. If terrorists get close to the Russian base in Latakia, Russia will have 2 choices. Either leave Syria or fight a bloody ground war.

    Erdogan is a Daesh sponsoring fraud indeed:

    http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/turkish-pm-retracts-compensation-offer-downed-russia-jet-111424758

    Turdkey is basically jerking Russia around. I think Putin was way too generous in the easing of the sanctions on Turdkey
    in response to the Turdkish "apology".
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    Post  Resistance Mon Jul 04, 2016 2:28 am

    kvs wrote:
    Resistance wrote:Erdogan's apology about the pilot is not sincere. Think about it. For almost a year after the shoot down, Erdogan said, Turkey will never apologize. Now all of a sudden Erdogan apologizes when Aleppo is about to be retaken. This is no coincidence. Erdogan is trying to save the terrorists by making Putin make Assad stop the offensive. If Assad stops the offensive, then SAA will defect to terrorists and Damascus will be taken by terrorists. No soldier would fight for a side that is ordered to only retreat and is ordered to not return fire when fired upon. If terrorists get close to the Russian base in Latakia, Russia will have 2 choices. Either leave Syria or fight a bloody ground war.

    Erdogan is a Daesh sponsoring fraud indeed:

    http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/turkish-pm-retracts-compensation-offer-downed-russia-jet-111424758

    Turdkey is basically jerking Russia around.   I think Putin was way too generous in the easing of the sanctions on Turdkey
    in response to the Turdkish "apology".

    Putin will learn the hard way, what a fake apology is.
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    Post  calm Mon Jul 04, 2016 7:13 am

    Laughing

    Ankara could let Russia use its Incirlik airbase to fight ISIS – Turkish FM

    https://www.rt.com/news/349413-turkey-russia-incirlik-airbase/#.V3omE5PxLjw.twitter
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    Post  Resistance Mon Jul 04, 2016 7:24 am

    calm wrote:Laughing

    Ankara could let Russia use its Incirlik airbase to fight ISIS – Turkish FM

    https://www.rt.com/news/349413-turkey-russia-incirlik-airbase/#.V3omE5PxLjw.twitter

    That's bull. Why would Russia use airbase from a long time enemy?  Razz   Russia and Turkey enemy for thousands of years.
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Mon Jul 04, 2016 10:32 am

    calm wrote:Laughing

    Ankara could let Russia use its Incirlik airbase to fight ISIS – Turkish FM

    https://www.rt.com/news/349413-turkey-russia-incirlik-airbase/#.V3omE5PxLjw.twitter

    That´s clearly anti-US move. Apparently Turks also know who is behing Turkey´s recent terror attacks (one of organizers was a former (?) =Georgian spy working for Suckashvili)...
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Mon Jul 04, 2016 10:34 am

    Resistance wrote: Putin will learn the hard way, what a fake apology is.

    so what is exactly your rank in sofa troops? I am nice guy so i will not ask about size or organization you have managed, budget or number of years. Twisted Evil Twisted Evil
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    Post  Zivo Mon Jul 04, 2016 11:31 am

    calm wrote:Laughing

    Ankara could let Russia use its Incirlik airbase to fight ISIS – Turkish FM

    https://www.rt.com/news/349413-turkey-russia-incirlik-airbase/#.V3omE5PxLjw.twitter

    I'll believe it when I see it.
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    Post  Hannibal Barca Mon Jul 04, 2016 11:56 am

    Erdogan must be desperate. Probably he senses that his regime is in the brink of collapse. Hard power has this effect, people come at you begging. Before the Syrian campaign this was inconceivable, even Lithuania was making fun of Russia.
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    Post  Zivo Mon Jul 04, 2016 12:04 pm

    Just saw on RT, he misspoke.

    Earlier on Monday, news agencies cited Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu as telling national TV channel TRT that Ankara would cooperate with “everybody who is fighting Islamic State [IS, formerly ISIS/ISIL].”

    “Ankara has opened the Incirlik airbase to all those wishing to join the active fight. Why not cooperate with Russia in the same manner?” Cavusoglu said.

    Several hours later Cavusoglu denied mentioning Russia’s possible presence at Incirlik.

    “I did not make such a comment. We said that we could cooperate with everyone in the fight against ISIS," Reuters quoted Cavusoglu as saying in comments broadcast live on television.

    “We said that we could cooperate with Russia in the period ahead in the fight against Daesh [Islamic State]. I did not make any comment referring to Russian planes coming to the Incirlik airbase,” Cavusoglu said, as cited by Reuters.

    https://www.rt.com/news/349430-cavusoglu-incirlik-nonexistent-proposal/
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    Post  Resistance Mon Jul 04, 2016 3:51 pm

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    Resistance wrote: Putin will learn the hard way, what a fake apology is.

    so what is exactly your rank in sofa troops? I am nice guy so i will not ask about size or organization you have managed, budget or number of years. Twisted Evil Twisted Evil

    If I were Russia president Russia would have never lost Ukraine, cost the lives of tens of thousands in Donbas, made enemies with the rest of the world by absorbing Crimea. Huge mistakes Putin made. #NeverPutin
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    Post  PapaDragon Mon Jul 04, 2016 4:25 pm

    calm wrote:Russian cruise missile obliterates rebel TOW storage base in western Aleppo
    https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/russian-cruise-missile-obliterates-rebel-tow-storage-base-western-aleppo/ | Al-Masdar News
    ....................

    It's been 24 hours, is there any real confirmation of this or was it just another product of Al-Masdar daily creative writing contest?
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    Post  KoTeMoRe Mon Jul 04, 2016 5:49 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    calm wrote:Russian cruise missile obliterates rebel TOW storage base in western Aleppo
    https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/russian-cruise-missile-obliterates-rebel-tow-storage-base-western-aleppo/ | Al-Masdar News
    ....................

    It's been 24 hours, is there any real confirmation of this or was it just another product of Al-Masdar daily creative writing contest?

    No idea about cruise missiles, but there's chatter of four locations hit and burnt since yesterday in Aleppo by RuAF/

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