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    Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #9

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    Post  zg18 Sat Jun 18, 2016 6:51 pm

    Subtle but interesting message, this statue is boundary marker to indicate state borders of Russian Federation, seen in Hmeym.

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    Post  kvs Sat Jun 18, 2016 8:18 pm

    Resistance wrote:Russia bombed New Syrian Army again. The US sent F-18s to confront Su-24s. New Syria Army is the US's replacement of SAA for use in post Assad Syria which kicks Russia out of the Middle East. Finally a right move by Putin cheers

    The NSA is an obvious propaganda concoction. It is simply not possible to call up a few ex-FSA over the weekend and strap together a new
    army from scratch in a few days. Nobody ever heard of the NSA two weeks ago. The FSA was defunct with almost no fighters left yet
    now we are supposed to believe there is a whole new "freedom fighter army" that poofed into existence.
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    Post  Resistance Sat Jun 18, 2016 8:35 pm

    kvs wrote:
    Resistance wrote:Russia bombed New Syrian Army again. The US sent F-18s to confront Su-24s. New Syria Army is the US's replacement of SAA for use in post Assad Syria which kicks Russia out of the Middle East. Finally a right move by Putin cheers

    The NSA is an obvious propaganda concoction.  It is simply not possible to call up a few ex-FSA over the weekend and strap together a new
    army from scratch in a few days.   Nobody ever heard of the NSA two weeks ago.   The FSA was defunct with almost no fighters left yet
    now we are supposed to believe there is a whole new "freedom fighter army" that poofed into existence.

    New Syrian Army is not a new kid on the block. It is the US's army in post Assad Syria and is used to kick Russia out of the ME.

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    Post  max steel Sat Jun 18, 2016 9:30 pm

    Cheeky Russians-Russian jets strike American-backed forces in Syria  tongue

    The Russian Su-34 fighter-bombers left the area at first, but came back for a second strike after the U.S. F/A-18 fighters went to refuel. The second attack killed several Syrian rebels attempting to provide medical support to the survivors of the initial one, officials said.  sniper

    Images suggest that Russia cluster-bombed U.S.-backed Syrian fighters using RBK-500 cluster munition Wink


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    Post  sepheronx Sat Jun 18, 2016 9:37 pm

    Wonder if Russian jets are still getting support from Su-30SM and Su-35S that are flying there?  Would be nice that next time US tries something funny like using F-18's, that the Su-34's are escorted by Su-30SM and Su-35 as a way to say "Come stop us". Although, as Medo pointed out not so long ago, the radar on the Su-34 should be strong enough to pick up those S/H from quite a far distance anyway.
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    Post  Werewolf Sat Jun 18, 2016 9:56 pm

    Did another Vann7 join?
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    Post  par far Sat Jun 18, 2016 11:00 pm

    Werewolf wrote:Did another Vann7 join?


    No it's just Ultron.
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    Post  ult Sun Jun 19, 2016 12:49 am

    Bomb markings on Su-35S's.

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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Sun Jun 19, 2016 12:54 am

    max steel wrote:Cheeky Russians-Russian jets strike American-backed forces in Syria  tongue

    The Russian Su-34 fighter-bombers left the area at first, but came back for a second strike after the U.S. F/A-18 fighters went to refuel. The second attack killed several Syrian rebels attempting to provide medical support to the survivors of the initial one, officials said.  sniper

    Images suggest that Russia cluster-bombed U.S.-backed Syrian fighters using RBK-500 cluster munition Wink

    first Lavrov warned US (like a week ago. Then Putin ordered Shoigu to carry out mission in Syria to talk to Assad. And suddenly SAR kicked jebat-el-nusre (v zhopu) offensive, NSA can be soon no such army...

    Well US should like and appreciate cluster bombs! thy sell cluster bombs to Sauds to bomb kids in Yemen. In accordance of human rights of course Very Happy

    BTW I wonder whet will be when Russian bombers clear out some Frogs in Northen Syria. Well accidentally of course.





    sepheronx wrote:Wonder if Russian jets are still getting support from Su-30SM and Su-35S that are flying there?  Would be nice that next time US tries something funny like using F-18's, that the Su-34's are escorted by Su-30SM and Su-35 as a way to say "Come stop us".  Although, as Medo pointed out not so long ago, the radar on the Su-34 should be strong enough to pick up those S/H from quite a far distance anyway.

    Tru but this is field testing to remove eventual flaws discovered in all possible scenarios real field conditions.




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    Werewolf wrote:Did another Vann7 join?


    No it's just Ultron.


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    Post  PapaDragon Sun Jun 19, 2016 2:44 am

    ult wrote:

    Bomb markings on Su-35S's.

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    Ult my friend, remember back during winter when I said that fighter planes also get marks but not as often because they bomb less often and you were tearing me a new one because you believed they don't?

    I will accept that apology now... thumbsup love
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    Post  ult Sun Jun 19, 2016 4:41 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    ult wrote:

    Bomb markings on Su-35S's.

    Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #9 - Page 20 XsmN0vU

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    Ult my friend, remember back during winter when I said that fighter planes also get marks but not as often because they bomb less often and you were tearing me a new one because you believed they don't?

    I will accept that apology now... thumbsup love

    That's not STARS. So no way. In fact it just stresses my point.
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    Post  Guest Sun Jun 19, 2016 7:45 am

    ult wrote:
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    ult wrote:

    Bomb markings on Su-35S's.

    .......................

    Ult my friend, remember back during winter when I said that fighter planes also get marks but not as often because they bomb less often and you were tearing me a new one because you believed they don't?

    I will accept that apology now... thumbsup love

    That's not STARS. So no way. In fact it just stresses my point.
    Calm down you two. Hopefully they'll start adding fighter silhouettes or stars on the Su-35S in due time.
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    Post  ult Sun Jun 19, 2016 7:50 am

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    Calm down you two. Hopefully they'll start adding fighter silhouettes or stars on the Su-35S in due time.

    Calm down? That's just banter.
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    Post  GarryB Sun Jun 19, 2016 10:09 am

    New Syrian Army is not a new kid on the block. It is the US's army in post Assad Syria and is used to kick Russia out of the ME.

    The way US trained georgian troops kicked the Russians out of south ossetia?

    Oops, no they didn't.

    Now Turkey is asking for a return to pre shoot down relations with Russia... wow that Putin really screwed up if even the turks want to be friends...

    Or perhaps you really don't know what you are talking about...

    And for the third time please introduce yourself.

    If you have not within 24 hours you will get a break from this forum as you have been asked by George1 and myself enough times...
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    Post  Boshoed Sun Jun 19, 2016 10:32 am



    And for the third time please introduce yourself.

    If you have not within 24 hours you will get a break from this forum as you have been asked by George1 and myself enough times...

    I'm 99% sure it's the same person as Ultron. He uses the same diction and the same grammar. There's no distinction between the two.
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    Post  medo Sun Jun 19, 2016 1:33 pm

    sepheronx wrote:Wonder if Russian jets are still getting support from Su-30SM and Su-35S that are flying there?  Would be nice that next time US tries something funny like using F-18's, that the Su-34's are escorted by Su-30SM and Su-35 as a way to say "Come stop us".  Although, as Medo pointed out not so long ago, the radar on the Su-34 should be strong enough to pick up those S/H from quite a far distance anyway.

    Although not much is known about V004 PESA radar from Su-34, it is known its max range is 370 km and that it have at least same capabilities in air to air modes as N001VEP if not better. Prototype radar from the nineties track 10 targets and engage 4 simultaneously and have range around 250 km. Radar for serial Su-34 have been improved as RuAF was not really impressed with its early capabilities. Su-34 is also quite agile jet with +9 g max g load, while F/A-18E/F have max g load in +7,6 g because of folding wings. If RuAF armed their Su-34 in Syria with their latest missiles R-77-1 and RVV-MD, than it is more than equal to any F/A-18 fighter. No real need for air protection, but you could bet that Su-30SM or Su-35 are near.
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    Post  JohninMK Sun Jun 19, 2016 7:54 pm

    medo wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:Wonder if Russian jets are still getting support from Su-30SM and Su-35S that are flying there?  Would be nice that next time US tries something funny like using F-18's, that the Su-34's are escorted by Su-30SM and Su-35 as a way to say "Come stop us".  Although, as Medo pointed out not so long ago, the radar on the Su-34 should be strong enough to pick up those S/H from quite a far distance anyway.

    Although not much is known about V004 PESA radar from Su-34, it is known its max range is 370 km and that it have at least same capabilities in air to air modes as N001VEP if not better. Prototype radar from the nineties track 10 targets and engage 4 simultaneously and have range around 250 km. Radar for serial Su-34 have been improved as RuAF was not really impressed with its early capabilities. Su-34 is also quite agile jet with +9 g max g load, while F/A-18E/F have max g load in +7,6 g because of folding wings. If RuAF armed their Su-34 in Syria with their latest missiles R-77-1 and RVV-MD, than it is more than equal to any F/A-18 fighter. No real need for air protection, but you could bet that Su-30SM or Su-35 are near.
    Almost certainly Russian assets are carefully watching the operations pattern off the US carrier so the aircraft can be watched all the way in.

    This is another really good training opportunity! It is a fairly rare chance to do so in an area where there are a significant number of Russian naval assets. Previously US activities like this have been in the Gulf.
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    Post  sepheronx Sun Jun 19, 2016 8:09 pm

    Forgot about those carriers. Wonder if Russia will transfer Bashton or other anti ship missiles to Syria.
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    Post  Resistance Sun Jun 19, 2016 8:42 pm

    11th KIA. RIP Sergeant Andrey Timoshenkov.
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    Post  JohninMK Sun Jun 19, 2016 10:21 pm

    sepheronx wrote:Forgot about those carriers. Wonder if Russia will transfer Bashton or other anti ship missiles to Syria.
    Can't see the need given all the ASM and torpedoes there are currently in the eastern Med. Besides which it would be another bunch of Russians adding to the numbers in country.
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    Post  KiloGolf Sun Jun 19, 2016 11:05 pm

    sepheronx wrote:Forgot about those carriers. Wonder if Russia will transfer Bashton or other anti ship missiles to Syria.

    I don't think it would make much of difference, US carriers operate well afar, at the south-west of Cyprus. Right now CVN-75 USS Harry S. Truman is comfortably operating in the Med against IS, with LHD-4 USS Boxer, simultaneously striking from the Gulf.

    There's also CVN-69 Dwight D. Eisenhower further West, in Naples, Italy.

    JohninMK wrote:Almost certainly Russian assets are carefully watching the operations pattern off the US carrier so the aircraft can be watched all the way in.

    Which assets exactly?

    JohninMK wrote:This is another really good training opportunity! It is a fairly rare chance to do so in an area where there are a significant number of Russian naval assets. Previously US activities like this have been in the Gulf.

    What exactly has Russia deployed between Crete and Cyprus right now?
    Nothing serious on the surface as far as I know.
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    Post  max steel Sun Jun 19, 2016 11:39 pm

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    Post  JohninMK Mon Jun 20, 2016 12:03 am

    KiloGolf wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:Forgot about those carriers. Wonder if Russia will transfer Bashton or other anti ship missiles to Syria.

    I don't think it would make much of difference, US carriers operate well afar, at the south-west of Cyprus. Right now CVN-75 USS Harry S. Truman is comfortably operating in the Med against IS, with LHD-4 USS Boxer, simultaneously striking from the Gulf.

    There's also CVN-69 Dwight D. Eisenhower further West, in Naples, Italy.

    JohninMK wrote:Almost certainly Russian assets are carefully watching the operations pattern off the US carrier so the aircraft can be watched all the way in.

    Which assets exactly?

    JohninMK wrote:This is another really good training opportunity! It is a fairly rare chance to do so in an area where there are a significant number of Russian naval assets. Previously US activities like this have been in the Gulf.

    What exactly has Russia deployed between Crete and Cyprus right now?
    Nothing serious on the surface as far as I know.
    Guesswork really plus an assumption that the RuN would do the logical thing given the opportunity.

    Clearly neither you or I or indeed anyone outside the MoD in Moscow knows exactly where their assets are in the Med at any particular moment, although others in that business may have a pretty good picture of most and probably estimated view on submarine(s). Similarly with US/NATO assets in reverse.
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    Post  KiloGolf Mon Jun 20, 2016 12:31 am

    JohninMK wrote:Guesswork really plus an assumption that the RuN would do the logical thing given the opportunity.

    Clearly neither you or I or indeed anyone outside the MoD in Moscow knows exactly where their assets are in the Med at any particular moment, although others in that business may have a pretty good picture of most and probably estimated view on submarine(s). Similarly with US/NATO assets in reverse.

    We kinda do, they pass through NATO- and foreign-monitored straits to come in/out. Civvies take photos of them and upload it online.
    Subs need to be surfaced while underway in peace time, although Gibraltar may be an exception (illegally though).

    So I just asked if you know about their surface vessels status of passage (Gibraltar, Dardanelles and Suez).
    Maybe I'm missing something here unshaven

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