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    Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #8

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    Post  JohninMK Sun Mar 20, 2016 4:37 pm

    Looks like some Su-24 are staying. No mention of the Su-25.

    Earlier this week at a meeting with troops involved in the Syrian campaign Russian President Vladimir Putin said the number of combat sorties of the Russian Aerospace Forces had decreased from 60-80 to 20 a day. The president also underscored that the rest of the task force will be capable of accomplishing the assigned tasks in the region.

    A squadron of Su-24 tactical bombers, including 9-12 aircraft, will be kept on duty in Syria. During the main stage of the campaign, those aircraft were responsible for the bulk of the airstrikes. The newest Su-30 and Su-35 jet fighters will also stay at the Hmeymim airbase for aerial protection, a Defense Ministry source told the Russian newspaper Vedomosti. A source close to the military command confirmed to RBK that Su-35 4++-generation jets will stay at the base.

    Russia deployed four Su-35s to Syria on January 31, 2016. The Defense Ministry has not additionally reported on their withdrawal.

    Moscow will also keep its air defense system in Syria. "Russian air defenses will be on combat duty in Syria and will be used against all targets posing threats to the Russian forces," Putin said. According to him, an S-400 medium- and long-range complex and a Pantsir-S1 air-defense system will stay on duty in Syria.

    In addition, Ka-52 and Mi-28N attack helicopters have been spotted at the airbase, but their exact number is unknown.

    According to military expert Viktor Litovkin, the rest of the Russian task force will accomplished its goals. He outlined several main objectives: conducting airstrikes on terrorist targets, supporting the Syrian Army and its allies, and control over the airspace in the region. "All the three aircraft are capable of carrying out airstrikes against terrorists. But the Su-24 is not designed for aerial combat, and it needs support of jet fighters," he told RBK.

    In addition to the jets, Syrian airspace and Hmeymim air base will also be protected by an S-400 air defense system, Ruslan Pukhov, director of the Analytic Center for Strategies and Technologies, said. "There could be three sudden threats – coming from Turkey, Israel and the US," he assumed. He added that with an S-400 deployed to the base the Russian Aerospace Forces could not only establish a no-fly zone not over the Hmeymim airbase but also the entire province of Latakia where the bulk of the Syrian Army is concentrated. The system has a maximum acquisition range of 600 km and a maximum striking range of 400 km. "Within this radius, any aircraft can be tracked and then escorted by jets," Pukhov explained.

    According to Litovkin, attack helicopters may be used against small groups of enemies and armored targets which cannot be hit by bombers. "The Ka-52 and the Mi-28N are armed with the Vikhr and Ataka anti-tank missiles as well as a 30-mm gun," the expert said. He added that terrorist may have man-portable air defense systems so attack helicopters could operate "accurately" at night time. What is more, some 200-300 civil specialists will remain at Hmeymim base. Military personnel will not be able to maintain aircraft and helicopters on their own. "As many as 2,000 personnel are required to operate the base. However, not all of them will be involved in combat missions," Pukhov concluded.

    Both experts agreed that the rest of the Russian forces in Syria will be enough for the current objectives.


    The full article is at: http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20160320/1036618424/russian-forces-syria.html#ixzz43SRH9f00
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    Post  Dima Sun Mar 20, 2016 4:44 pm

    Good that Su-24s are staying, hope they stay untill the SyAAF Su-24 are up to the same standards as the Russian ones.

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    Post  sepheronx Sun Mar 20, 2016 5:17 pm

    Dima wrote:
    d_taddei2 wrote:on another note now Russia plans to use Ka-52 and Mi-28 they really are showing the world and potential buyers just what there equipment can do as well as giving vital experience to its forces, would be nice for them to use Yak-130 and Mig-29SMT/M2 as i am sure many potential buyers will be looking to be buying Yak-130 and Mig-29M2 and Mig-35 in the near future just another way of show casing them. I many people in the west(general public) has only thought of Russia using old Soviet/out of date equipment, and i think with this intervention has shocked the public at just how good their equipment is and just how professional they are. But i still think a special mention has to be given to the older soviet designed equipment for this has been the mainstay of the SAA, the Mig-21, Mig-23, Su-22, BMP-1 & 2, BTR-60, MT-LB, T-72, T-55, ZSU-23-4, 2S1, BM-21, and the various other anti aircraft guns, artillery and small arms have proven themselves and served the SAA well, i think in particular the T-55 (with various makeshift upgrades) have proven very useful despite its age.
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    Completely agree but what I wanted to see most was the MiG-29SMT and MiG-29K/KUB in action. This would have taken off that "not combat proven" tag often bestowed by the chicken headed murican fanboys. One of the many reasons against the MiG-29s in the MMRCA contest promoted by the murian sellouts through media/forums in India was it being not proven and not in class of western birds in terms of multirole, serviceability etc. An action is Syria would have definitely gone to sideline such propaganda.
    Since the big birds are getting withdrawn, hope Russia sends in the medium ones. New/upgraded platforms which have not seen action are the MiG-29SMT, K/KUB and IL-38N.

    I think I has more to do with range o ge the MiG's to Syria rather than anything else. But I agree, it needs needs attention.
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    Post  Dima Sun Mar 20, 2016 5:48 pm

    ^ MiG-29s have more than enough range to cover Syrian neighborhood. I think range issue could only be secondary and more to do with availability as the most modern MiGs in Russian service are the 29K/KUB and the SMTs, which are again limited in numbers compared to the Su-XX series that are new and upgraded. Probably that may have been one of the reason why the larger birds were deployed. But hope we some combat deployment of the 29K/KUB in the summer.

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    Post  GarryB Mon Mar 21, 2016 8:32 am

    Good that Su-24s are staying, hope they stay untill the SyAAF Su-24 are up to the same standards as the Russian ones.

    Perhaps when the mission is really finished they can be donated to the Syrian Air Force... and well before that the Syrian Su-24s upgraded to that standard (also with President-S self protection suite)
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    Post  JohninMK Mon Mar 21, 2016 11:42 am

    As I posted a couple of weeks ago that it might be happening, the Syrian Express has come to a virtual halt with probably only food/ammo and light trucks moving. No LLC southbound for nearly two weeks. Getting a much needed rest.
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    Post  JohninMK Mon Mar 21, 2016 11:43 am

    MOSCOW (Sputnik) — Russia will strike terrorist groups breaching the Syria ceasefire even if they claim to belong to the moderate opposition, head of the Russian Federation Council's defense committee Viktor Ozerov said Monday.

    "If terrorists disguise themselves as moderate opposition and declare that they have joined the ceasefire regime, while only doing so in order to achieve favorable conditions for new attacks, of course, Russia cannot overlook this," Ozerov told RIA Novosti.


    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20160321/1036658221/russia-syria-terrorists.html#ixzz43X6sJEm4


    MOSCOW (Sputnik) – Russia will unilaterally control the Syria ceasefire starting March 22 if Washington fails to respond to Moscow's proposal on a joint control mechanism, the Russian General Staff said Monday.

    "In case of the absence of a US response to these proposals, the Russian Federation will begin unilaterally applying the rules stipulated in the agreement starting March 22," Lt. Gen. Sergei Rudskoi, head of the General Staff's Main Operational Directorate, said. He underlined that military force would only be used in case reliable evidence proved systematic violations of the Syria ceasefire deal by armed groups.

    Last month, Russia and the United States reached an agreement on the cessation of hostilities in Syria, which took effect on February 27. The truce excluded the terrorist groups Daesh and the Nusra Front, both of which are outlawed in Russia.


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    Post  JohninMK Mon Mar 21, 2016 1:27 pm

    Moscow trying to force the US into a position it clearly does not want to be in, a public joint US/Russian operation.

    21.03.2016 (11:58)
    Statement of the Chief of the Main Operational Directorate of the General Staff of the Russian Armed Forces Lieutenant General Sergei Rudskoy

    On February 25, the Russian Defence Ministry sent a draft proposal on ceasefire observe and control in Syria through military-diplomatic channels to the US representatives following provisions of the Joint Russian-American agreement on ceasefire in Syria.

    The document contains consultation process between the Russian Federation and the United States of America in case of receiving information about ceasefire violations and usage of military force against formations, which violate ceasefire obligations systematically. The Russian Defence Ministry considers that such procedures are to form an effective mechanism for controlling and suppressing potential ceasefire violators in Syria.

    Having received viewpoint of the US representatives, the Russian side developed a compromise draft agreement and sent it on March 5. Moreover, the Russian party suggested holding consultations as soon as possible in order to let experts approve the text of the agreement.

    However, the Russian-American consultations, which had been held in Amman on March 18, showed that the American party was not ready for particular discussion and approving of the agreement text.

    It is unacceptable to drag out agreed rules of reaction on ceasefire violation in Syria. Syrian people are dying every day in course of provocations and shelling attacks.

    The Russian party states about its readiness for finishing the work over the document as well as receiving the American delegation in Moscow or holding session in any acceptable place for both sides.

    Starting from March 22, the Russian Federation will follow unilateral rules of the Agreement in case of the US reaction is absent.

    It is to be stressed that the military force will be used after receiving evidence of systematic violations of obligations taken by armed formations within implementation of the Joint Russian-American Agreement on ceasefire in Syria (February 22, 2016).

    Military force will not be used against formations, which follow the ceasefire regime, as well as peaceful population and civilian facilities.
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    Post  short_fuze Mon Mar 21, 2016 2:02 pm

    JohninMK wrote:Moscow trying to force the US into a position it clearly does not want to be in, a public joint US/Russian operation.

    21.03.2016 (11:58)
    Statement of the Chief of the Main Operational Directorate of the General Staff of the Russian Armed Forces Lieutenant General Sergei Rudskoy

    On February 25, the Russian Defence Ministry sent a draft proposal on ceasefire observe and control in Syria through military-diplomatic channels to the US representatives following provisions of the Joint Russian-American agreement on ceasefire in Syria.

    The document contains consultation process between the Russian Federation and the United States of America in case of receiving information about ceasefire violations and usage of military force against formations, which violate ceasefire obligations systematically. The Russian Defence Ministry considers that such procedures are to form an effective mechanism for controlling and suppressing potential ceasefire violators in Syria.

    Having received viewpoint of the US representatives, the Russian side developed a compromise draft agreement and sent it on March 5. Moreover, the Russian party suggested holding consultations as soon as possible in order to let experts approve the text of the agreement.

    However, the Russian-American consultations, which had been held in Amman on March 18, showed that the American party was not ready for particular discussion and approving of the agreement text.

    It is unacceptable to drag out agreed rules of reaction on ceasefire violation in Syria. Syrian people are dying every day in course of provocations and shelling attacks.

    The Russian party states about its readiness for finishing the work over the document as well as receiving the American delegation in Moscow or holding session in any acceptable place for both sides.

    Starting from March 22, the Russian Federation will follow unilateral rules of the Agreement in case of the US reaction is absent.

    It is to be stressed that the military force will be used after receiving evidence of systematic violations of obligations taken by armed formations within implementation of the Joint Russian-American Agreement on ceasefire in Syria (February 22, 2016).

    Military force will not be used against formations, which follow the ceasefire regime, as well as peaceful population and civilian facilities.

    Excellent zugzwang by the Russians - either way the US loses, and Russia gains.
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    Post  Isos Mon Mar 21, 2016 9:37 pm

    Militarov wrote:Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #8 - Page 23 CeE_ctDUsAAKFGi

    Not safety to have all these mountains around a military Airport
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    Post  Werewolf Mon Mar 21, 2016 9:39 pm

    Isos wrote:
    Militarov wrote:Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #8 - Page 23 CeE_ctDUsAAKFGi

    Not safety to have all these mountains around a military Airport

    Does not look like anyone could have the reach to shoot from those mountains up to the runways. Looks like 10km, no ATGM's, mortars are also unlikely and they have counter batteries with Anti Artillery radars. S-400 makes god coverage against Israel, NATO and other dogs in the desert.
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    Post  max steel Mon Mar 21, 2016 9:44 pm

    T-90 that was hit by TOW.

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    Post  JohninMK Mon Mar 21, 2016 11:55 pm

    Militarov wrote:Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #8 - Page 23 CeE_ctDUsAAKFGi

    Can't remember that dome in a photo before. Assume its a satellite link. Just shows how much extra gear of all sorts had to be brought in.
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    Post  short_fuze Tue Mar 22, 2016 12:11 am

    Isos wrote:
    Militarov wrote:Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #8 - Page 23 CeE_ctDUsAAKFGi

    Not safety to have all these mountains around a military Airport

    The Invisible People have been seen patrolling the hills.
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    Post  franco Tue Mar 22, 2016 1:06 am

    Interesting point in this article that the Syrians told the Russians that they had 130,000 soldiers available for combat operations but when the Russians arrived found that there was only 25,000 capable of offensive operations. Explains a lot.

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1800765.html

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    Post  ultron Tue Mar 22, 2016 4:28 am

    franco wrote:Interesting point in this article that the Syrians told the Russians that they had 130,000 soldiers available for combat operations but when the Russians arrived found that there was only 25,000 capable of offensive operations. Explains a lot.

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1800765.html


    That's because SAA can only count on Alawites to fight. Sunnis defect to rebels side. In Iraq Shia are majority and it is much easier to fight rebels there.
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    Post  max steel Tue Mar 22, 2016 5:51 am

    Ka-52 over Latakia

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    Post  KoTeMoRe Tue Mar 22, 2016 10:41 am

    Isos wrote:
    Militarov wrote:Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #8 - Page 23 CeE_ctDUsAAKFGi

    Not safety to have all these mountains around a military Airport

    1. Alawite heartland is probably safer for Russians than Moscow downtown.
    2. That Alligator is right there to make sure nothing is left alone, Both MilMi28 and KA52 first mission is to clear the outer ring of defense wich is a 5KM buffer from Bassel Al Assad IAP.
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    Post  Vann7 Wed Mar 23, 2016 6:59 am

    ultron wrote:
    franco wrote:Interesting point in this article that the Syrians told the Russians that they had 130,000 soldiers available for combat operations but when the Russians arrived found that there was only 25,000 capable of offensive operations. Explains a lot.

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1800765.html


    That's because SAA can only count on Alawites to fight. Sunnis defect to rebels side. In Iraq Shia are majority and it is much easier to fight rebels there.


    It is really bad. All this goes to show how terrible is to have most of your army from the sunni
    side . Many of them are friendly to ISIS or Alnusra. It was Ziad himself with the connections with the Syrian Army ,who runs SyrianPerspective site. That told a story of how the Syrian
    Army was stuck for weeks in an offensive on a town. There was terrorist sniper that was killing many of his soldiers from a far distance. Then a Russian military advisor was called to see what tactics to use to counter the lethal sniper ,that was farming them. Then the Russian specialist
    takes his sniper rifle and 2 hours later kill the terrorist sniper to the shock and embarrassment
    of Syrian generals. it happened that there was a traitor captain in the Syrian army group in charge of clearing the town ,who was on the side of the terrorist. and was aiding the sniper in the other side how to kill his own team mates. The Generals got the traitor and executed him.

    The whole conflict in Syria   IS  a religious war between intolerant Sunnis muslins and Seculars muslin factions friendly to Christians. and that is Fueled by Americans and its Gulf allies with money and weapons and training and advisors they receive. US gov is sponsoring the sunnis ,which helps Alqaeda and ISIS. Is not all Sunnis traitor ,but vast majority of them ,seems to be easier to switch sides to Alnusra or ISIS .  Most of the "moderates" FSA switched side to either alnusra or ISIS.

    This is why Russia cannot allow any Syrian Officer or Syrian army on their military base in Latakia. Unless is a high ranking General and even then with distrust ,they need to be watched.
    Because muslins many of them see their religion first and country as a temporary thing.
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    Post  Zivo Wed Mar 23, 2016 7:27 am

    Vann7 wrote:
    ultron wrote:
    franco wrote:Interesting point in this article that the Syrians told the Russians that they had 130,000 soldiers available for combat operations but when the Russians arrived found that there was only 25,000 capable of offensive operations. Explains a lot.

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1800765.html


    That's because SAA can only count on Alawites to fight. Sunnis defect to rebels side. In Iraq Shia are majority and it is much easier to fight rebels there.


    It is really bad. All this goes to show how terrible is to have most of your army from the sunni
    side . Many of them are friendly to ISIS or Alnusra. It was Ziad himself with the connections with the Syrian Army ,who runs SyrianPerspective site. That told a story of how the Syrian
    Army was stuck for weeks in an offensive on a town. There was terrorist sniper that was killing many of his soldiers from a far distance. Then a Russian military advisor was called to see what tactics to use to counter the lethal sniper ,that was farming them. Then the Russian specialist
    takes his sniper rifle and 2 hours later kill the terrorist sniper to the shock and embarrassment
    of Syrian generals. it happened that there was a traitor captain in the Syrian army group in charge of clearing the town ,who was on the side of the terrorist. and was aiding the sniper in the other side how to kill his own team mates. The Generals got the traitor and executed him.

    The whole conflict in Syria   IS  a religious war between intolerant Sunnis muslins and Seculars muslin factions friendly to Christians. and that is Fueled by Americans and its Gulf allies with money and weapons and training and advisors they receive. US gov is sponsoring the sunnis ,which helps Alqaeda and ISIS. Is not all Sunnis traitor ,but vast majority of them ,seems to be easier to switch sides to Alnusra or ISIS .  Most of the "moderates" FSA switched side to either alnusra or ISIS.

    This is why Russia cannot allow any Syrian Officer or Syrian army on their military base in Latakia. Unless is a high ranking General and even then with distrust ,they need to be watched.
    Because muslins many of them see their religion first and country as a temporary thing.

    I take everything Zaid says with a grain of salt.
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    Post  OminousSpudd Wed Mar 23, 2016 7:49 am

    [quote="Zivo"]
    Vann7 wrote:
    ultron wrote:
    franco wrote:Interesting point in this article that the Syrians told the Russians that they had 130,000 soldiers available for combat operations but when the Russians arrived found that there was only 25,000 capable of offensive operations. Explains a lot.

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1800765.html

    ...............

    I take everything Zaid says with a grain of salt.

    Make that a tablespoon and you'll be about right. Suspect
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Wed Mar 23, 2016 7:57 am

    Prophetic words of Russian MP from 2010 about Turkey's aggressive stance against Russia:

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    Post  JohninMK Wed Mar 23, 2016 11:11 am

    That will be an uncomfortable journey. The low level workers clearly did not qualify for a Tu-154 trip. Note the last sentence.

    A Russian Il-76 (NATO reporting name Candid) military transport plane carrying 160 material and technical support personnel has departed from Syria to return home, a RIA Novosti correspondent reported Wednesday.

    HMEIMIM (Syria) (Sputnik) – Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered the pullout of a bulk of air groups from the Arab republic on March 14 after they had broadly completed anti-terrorist objectives.

    The servicemen and women who left the Hmeimim air facility performed refueling missions, as well as assignments concerning fuel, water, food and aircraft ammunition supplies. Their other tasks included laundry service and equipment and communications maintenance at the facility. The decision to send them back to their home bases was made as a consequence of a reduced workload after the departure of most air groups from Syria over the past week.

    The Russian Defense Ministry press service said the Il-76 was expected at one of the Central Military District airfields late Wednesday.

    An An-124 Ruslan (Condor) airlifter is also en route to Russia, carrying equipment and three Mi-35 helicopters that have wrapped up their missions in Syria.


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