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    Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #8

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    Post  sepheronx Sat Mar 19, 2016 7:18 am

    I did a quick oped on this:

    OPED: Syrian conflict and Russia’s withdrawal

    Please give your opinions and critique.
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    Post  JohninMK Sat Mar 19, 2016 12:35 pm

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    Post  KoTeMoRe Sat Mar 19, 2016 1:55 pm

    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:
    short_fuze wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    I am not buying part about killed Russian, you would think that MSM would have been all over this in concert if there were any truth to this. It has been over two days now. Not everyone with fancy gear in mid-east is Russian.


    Russia flying daily sorties to back Assad forces around Palmyra

    http://news.yahoo.com/claims-five-russian-troops-killed-near-syrias-palmyra-001451766.html


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    Me too. If the guy in the film was Russian, it is totally out of character for the takfiris not to make the most of his death. Heck, they have filmed themselves machine-gunning the corpses of Syrians before, going from body to body. Now we get a short coy shot of someone dead, followed by a disconnected set-piece of carefully staged equipment. The mix of equipment doesn't make sense. A mine detector for a Russian advisor? Some Guccified gun gear. Where's the ID card? The dog tags? It strikes me as an attempted morale-booster for the takfiris.

    +1

    Guy I the first video could very well be Russian, the second image though was probably the most legit one. One of the guys in that Russian combo-crew was Hizb, another probably a translator, and one Chechen was in the house too. Ithe Pkp Guy was wearing IDF rag. Those guys are/were GRU FAC. Probably played their hand too far. As for the tags and id, lol it's God Damned Russia thèse aren't amateurs like the Red Wings idiots. No tags when you can't get the body.
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    Post  PapaDragon Sat Mar 19, 2016 1:57 pm

    sepheronx wrote:I did a quick oped on this:

    OPED: Syrian conflict and Russia’s withdrawal

    Please give your opinions and critique.

    You summed it up pretty well, good work. thumbsup
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    Post  short_fuze Sat Mar 19, 2016 2:08 pm

    Zivo wrote:
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    d_taddei2 wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:There seems to be conflicting information.  In previous pages it said Su-24M would be staying in Syria but then our other friend states that already of the 12, 4 have left syria with only 8 remaining.

    Do we have confirmation as to what is actually going to stay and which is going?


    yeah sourcs have said all aircraft going apart from Mi-24/35 and bringing in Ka-52 and Mi-28 although no numbers yet. Would be interesting which aircraft did this

    https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/russian-air-force-pounds-isis-raqqa/

    what is happening with the Su-27SM surely would be worth keeping them in Syria along with some Su-24M
    AFAIK there are no Su-27SM there, only Su-35, Su-30, Su-34 from the Flanker family.

    Its logical to keep the 'fighters' but pull all the tactical bombing aircraft like the Su-24 and Su-34 out as they have destroyed most of 'their' possible targets so are no longer needed and their CAS role can be taken by the helicopters or the Su-30 in its bomber role.

    I don't understand the shock over the mission restructuring. Numerous posters here, including myself were well aware that deep strikes and other strategic plays can only go so far, and eventually they will run out of targets to bomb. It's a waste to have unused aircraft sitting on a desert tarmac, which was the past state of affairs before the current reduction. It's almost like some of you want Russia to repeat the mistakes the US military has made over the last decade, burning through equipment life to support lavish conquests.

    Strike aircraft out, attack helicopters in, this is the long awaited "phase two" of the operation.

    Absolutely. Even to a non-military man like myself, it makes sense to fit the equipment to the task, not the other way around.
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    Post  PapaDragon Sat Mar 19, 2016 2:14 pm


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    Post  PapaDragon Sat Mar 19, 2016 4:03 pm

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    Post  Dima Sat Mar 19, 2016 5:13 pm

    Ibrahim Joudeh Retweeted
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    SyrianMilitaryCap. ‏@syrianmilitary 5 hours ago
    Mi-28n over #Lattakia this morning
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    Post  Dima Sat Mar 19, 2016 5:15 pm

    Ivan Sidorenko ‏@IvanSidorenko1 10 hours ago
    #Syria #Damascus #WesternDamascus #Russia #Russian Delegate Visited and distributed some food baskets. #SAA
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    Post  franco Sat Mar 19, 2016 6:20 pm

    Praise from the IDF for the RAF;
    http://www.defensenews.com/story/defense/international/mideast-africa/2016/03/17/top-israeli-commander-endorses-obama-doctrine-gives-kudos-moscow/81938066/
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    Post  franco Sat Mar 19, 2016 6:24 pm

    Satellite imagery from the 17th on this twitter site shows 4 Su-34, 4 Su-35, 4 Su-30SM plus a dozen Su-24M's still active at Hmeymim.

    https://twitter.com/miladvisor
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    Post  franco Sat Mar 19, 2016 7:14 pm

    My favorite so far thumbsup

    Sam Tamiz ‏@SamTamiz Mar 17

    #Russia spent $500 million on its six-month long military intervention in #Syria.

    #US spent $500 million on training 'four or five' rebels.
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    Post  JohninMK Sat Mar 19, 2016 8:11 pm

    It was going to be just a simple TV interview of a Syrian lady soldier, but then look who walks by behind her SUV. The invisible men  russia

    https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3ye4hy


    One suspects that were it US or UK forces in a similar situation, that cameraman would have had some 'gentle' advice on the wisdom of ending the interview, sharpish.
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    Post  JohninMK Sat Mar 19, 2016 8:16 pm

    Another An-124 inbound. More choppers?

    https://twitter.com/AlRFORCEFREAK/status/711238048776908800
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    Post  KoTeMoRe Sat Mar 19, 2016 9:02 pm

    JohninMK wrote:It was going to be just a simple TV interview of a Syrian lady soldier, but then look who walks by behind her SUV. The invisible men  russia

    https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3ye4hy


    One suspects that were it US or UK forces in a similar situation, that cameraman would have had some 'gentle' advice on the wisdom of ending the interview, sharpish.

    It's the ANNA crew, they did that on purpose, that's why they zoomed in like they wanted to hide it, and there's a whole fire team there. Yeah pulling out for sure. clown As I said, most leaks people have found on VK and elsewhere have been either voluntary pioneers or simple gaffes. Here's a clever pointer.
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    Post  short_fuze Sat Mar 19, 2016 10:35 pm

    franco wrote:My favorite so far thumbsup

    Sam Tamiz ‏@SamTamiz Mar 17

    #Russia spent $500 million on its six-month long military intervention in #Syria.

    #US spent $500 million on training 'four or five' rebels.

    The US military also spends $500 million a year on marching bands. Priorities, priorities.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Sat Mar 19, 2016 11:45 pm

    short_fuze wrote:
    franco wrote:My favorite so far   thumbsup

    Sam Tamiz ‏@SamTamiz Mar 17

    #Russia spent $500 million on its six-month long military intervention in #Syria.

    #US spent $500 million on training 'four or five' rebels.

    The US military also spends $500 million a year on marching bands. Priorities, priorities.

    The campaign was something in the ballpark of $450-465 million, significantly cheaper than $500 million. But like I said, it pays to have cheap munitions such as FAB-250's which cost less that $5,000 a piece ($4,700-4,800), and using older aircraft like Su-24M's with Gefest-T upgrades capable of giving of dumb bombs like FAB-250's, the accuracy of precision guided munitions, but at a fraction of the cost.
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    Post  d_taddei2 Sun Mar 20, 2016 12:36 am

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    short_fuze wrote:
    franco wrote:My favorite so far   thumbsup

    Sam Tamiz ‏@SamTamiz Mar 17

    #Russia spent $500 million on its six-month long military intervention in #Syria.

    #US spent $500 million on training 'four or five' rebels.

    The US military also spends $500 million a year on marching bands. Priorities, priorities.

    The campaign was something in the ballpark of $450-465 million, significantly cheaper than $500 million. But like I said, it pays to have cheap munitions such as FAB-250's which cost less that $5,000 a piece ($4,700-4,800), and using older aircraft like Su-24M's with Gefest-T upgrades capable of giving of dumb bombs like FAB-250's, the accuracy of precision guided munitions, but at a fraction of the cost.

    Just for info
    this article it mentions 33 bilion rubles or £332 million

    https://uk.news.yahoo.com/putin-says-russia-powerful-syria-comeback-within-hours-110216317.html


    on another note now Russia plans to use Ka-52 and Mi-28 they really are showing the world and potential buyers just what there equipment can do as well as giving vital experience to its forces, would be nice for them to use Yak-130 and Mig-29SMT/M2 as i am sure many potential buyers will be looking to be buying Yak-130 and Mig-29M2 and Mig-35 in the near future just another way of show casing them. I many people in the west(general public) has only thought of Russia using old Soviet/out of date equipment, and i think with this intervention has shocked the public at just how good their equipment is and just how professional they are. But i still think a special mention has to be given to the older soviet designed equipment for this has been the mainstay of the SAA, the Mig-21, Mig-23, Su-22, BMP-1 & 2, BTR-60, MT-LB, T-72, T-55, ZSU-23-4, 2S1, BM-21, and the various other anti aircraft guns, artillery and small arms have proven themselves and served the SAA well, i think in particular the T-55 (with various makeshift upgrades) have proven very useful despite its age.
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    Post  JohninMK Sun Mar 20, 2016 12:59 am

    From Aldin's Twitter.

    Aldin Abazović ‏@Ald_Aba 1h1 hour ago

    Russian comm or EW vehicle on top of Nabi Yunis peak #Latakia @oryxspioenkop @CTstudies @AbraxasSpa  @ain92ru

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    Post  short_fuze Sun Mar 20, 2016 1:00 am

    JohninMK wrote:It was going to be just a simple TV interview of a Syrian lady soldier, but then look who walks by behind her SUV. The invisible men  russia

    https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3ye4hy


    One suspects that were it US or UK forces in a similar situation, that cameraman would have had some 'gentle' advice on the wisdom of ending the interview, sharpish.

    Spot the telnyashka!
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    Post  Dima Sun Mar 20, 2016 8:46 am

    Syria is Russia's strategic asset and without a firm hold in the Mediterranean, Russian power and maneuvering is severely curtailed. Have no two thoughts about it! Syria needs to be protected and strengthened and the current war in Syria is a direct result of a failed attempt to uproot Russia from the region once and for all which (sponsored/prepared "revolution") followed earlier Russian announcement/intentions of increased role of Tartous naval facility in the future and the pipelines from Iran to the Mediterranean. There is only one option w.r.t to Syria and that is to strengthen and fortify Tartous & Latakia to be a full fledged forward operational base and be Russia's Kaliningrad in the Mediterranean.  
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    Consider the Libyan position (in terms of location and the billions which could have flowed into Russian mil/civil sectors) and one will understand what a collossal loss it was for Russia due to one fucking arseole Medvedev, who for western strategist is the junior/new-age Gobachev/Yeltsin (naive, stupid/sellout, stupid).

    I've posted that article related to revival of Black sea fleet in RuN thread and plz do remember not to give arseoles moscowtimes extra clicks.
    https://www.russiadefence.net/t4282p350-russian-navy-status-news-3#156366
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    Post  Dima Sun Mar 20, 2016 9:00 am

    d_taddei2 wrote:on another note now Russia plans to use Ka-52 and Mi-28 they really are showing the world and potential buyers just what there equipment can do as well as giving vital experience to its forces, would be nice for them to use Yak-130 and Mig-29SMT/M2 as i am sure many potential buyers will be looking to be buying Yak-130 and Mig-29M2 and Mig-35 in the near future just another way of show casing them. I many people in the west(general public) has only thought of Russia using old Soviet/out of date equipment, and i think with this intervention has shocked the public at just how good their equipment is and just how professional they are. But i still think a special mention has to be given to the older soviet designed equipment for this has been the mainstay of the SAA, the Mig-21, Mig-23, Su-22, BMP-1 & 2, BTR-60, MT-LB, T-72, T-55, ZSU-23-4, 2S1, BM-21, and the various other anti aircraft guns, artillery and small arms have proven themselves and served the SAA well, i think in particular the T-55 (with various makeshift upgrades) have proven very useful despite its age.
    +1
    Completely agree but what I wanted to see most was the MiG-29SMT and MiG-29K/KUB in action. This would have taken off that "not combat proven" tag often bestowed by the chicken headed murican fanboys. One of the many reasons against the MiG-29s in the MMRCA contest promoted by the murian sellouts through media/forums in India was it being not proven and not in class of western birds in terms of multirole, serviceability etc. An action is Syria would have definitely gone to sideline such propaganda.
    Since the big birds are getting withdrawn, hope Russia sends in the medium ones. New/upgraded platforms which have not seen action are the MiG-29SMT, K/KUB and IL-38N.
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    Post  short_fuze Sun Mar 20, 2016 10:58 am

    Dima wrote:

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    Consider the Libyan position (in terms of location and the billions which could have flowed into Russian mil/civil sectors) and one will understand what a collossal loss it was for Russia due to one fucking arseole Medvedev, who for western strategist is the junior/new-age Gobachev/Yeltsin (naive, stupid/sellout, stupid).

    ...

    Agree about the Russian abstain rather than veto over Libya. I suspect it was naivete rather than complicity. I think it took the deliberate shooting down of MH-17 for Putin to finally see the full depravity of the AngloZionsts.

    If Libya hadn't happened, then the takfiri position in Syria would have been less sustainable, as they gained loads of arms and c/w precursors looted from Libya, via Turkey.

    There are two current governments in Libya, one takfiri in the west, the other non-takfiri in the east (I think) who are in conflict. The AngloZionists are trying to create a third puppet government that will 'replace' these two and 'invite' them in to Libya to consolidate their further looting of its resources. It would be ironic if the non-takfiri government invited Russia in do a 'Syria' in Libya. That would please Algeria and Egypt, so Russia might get 3 for the price of 1. However, that is purely wishful thinking on my part.

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    Post  PapaDragon Sun Mar 20, 2016 3:27 pm


    Airstrikes Near Palmyra Destroy Headquarters of al-Nusra Front, Daesh

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20160320/1036619084/palmyra-airstrikes-daesh-nusra.html#ixzz43SAcMYk0
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