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    Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #8

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    Post  Guest Thu Mar 17, 2016 11:10 pm

    KoTeMoRe wrote:It is a Xaron/Charon witha Doctersight 3 on top. The MD is indeed very old school. Weird. For the rest gear looks legit. The dead body too. I don't understand how he was killed alone. Now in close combatthese things happen alas.

    Rest in peace.

    They now claim how they killed 5 Russians.

    https://a3maqagency.files.wordpress.com/2016/03/rk17032016.jpg?w=700 - another body (so they claim)

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    Post  PapaDragon Thu Mar 17, 2016 11:15 pm


    Some folks have been floating idea that VKS pullout had something to do with protecting aircraft from coming sandstorm season.

    This sounds pretty out there to me (flat out stupid to be more precise) but I would still like to ask if there could be something to it? dunno

    Just want to cover all the bases...
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    Post  ultron Thu Mar 17, 2016 11:15 pm

    I thought Putin said no Russian ground forces in action in Syria.
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    Post  KoTeMoRe Thu Mar 17, 2016 11:18 pm

    Militarov wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:It is a Xaron/Charon witha Doctersight 3 on top. The MD is indeed very old school. Weird. For the rest gear looks legit. The dead body too. I don't understand how he was killed alone. Now in close combatthese things happen alas.

    Rest in peace.

    They now claim how they killed 5 Russians.

    https://a3maqagency.files.wordpress.com/2016/03/rk17032016.jpg?w=700 - another body (so they claim)


    5 Russians? FAC?
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    Post  Guest Thu Mar 17, 2016 11:26 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Some folks have been floating idea that VKS pullout had something to do with protecting aircraft from coming sandstorm season.

    This sounds pretty out there to me (flat out stupid to be more precise) but I would still like to ask if there could be something to it? dunno

    Just want to cover all the bases...

    Its very long shot as military aircraft have protective equipment aganist sand and such particules when they are not used... however...

    "Desert dust or volcanic ashes can cause significant problems in
    aviation such as:

    - Rerouting due to poor visibility
    - Disturbances in airport operations
    - Massive canceling of scheduled flights
    - Mechanical problems such as erosion, corrosion, pitot-static tube, blockage or engine flame out in flight

    Desert dust and volcanic ash particles impact and bounce on cold areas of the engine (fan or propeller blades) causing surface damages and gap size augmentation leading to gas flow deterioration and gradual loss of performance of the engine. Damages are also caused at the external surface of the aircraft. The problem is more severe in the case of volcanic ashes due to their irregular shape with sharp edges.

    If dust particles or volcanic ashes impact on hot surfaces (combustor walls, turbine blades…) they will form a glass deposit with rough surface which may lead to a rapid loss of performance (potential risk during take off or landing operations) by disturbing the flow field. This deposit may also lead to thermal corrosion of a component of the engine or of electronic devises by blocking cooling holes.

    Desert dust particles as well as volcanic ashes can lead to false flight speed reading by blocking pitot-static tubes. This may be extremely hazardous especially in low level flight as during take off or landing procedures.

    THE GLASS DEPOSIT ON HOT PARTS OF THE ENGINE CAN SIGNIFICANTLY DISTURB THE AIRFLOW, EVEN LEADING TO TURBINE BLADES STALL AND IN FLIGHT ENGINE FLAME OUT SITUATION MUCH MORE CRITICAL THAN EXTERNAL PAINT SCRATCH....."


    Source: http://forecast.uoa.gr/Dust-wshop-pdf/Lekas.pdf

    But still, everyone else operates in those areas normally during whole year.
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    Post  Guest Thu Mar 17, 2016 11:28 pm

    ultron wrote:I thought Putin said no Russian ground forces in action in Syria.

    SOF, advisors and other branches are not really "ground force", ground force is when you send whole brigade, division, batallion or whatever into field to fight.
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    Post  PapaDragon Thu Mar 17, 2016 11:32 pm


    Russia Isn’t Really Withdrawing From Syria

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/alastair-crooke/russia-withdraw-syria_b_9487262.html


    ...............Russia has said repeatedly that it must be the Syrian people who decide for themselves what government they want. This is Iranian policy too. But Putin cannot count on the Saudi-supported Syrian opposition arriving at an agreement with Assad in Geneva — though he might hope this transpires. It is more likely he is relying on a Plan B.

    One aspect of the recent cessation of hostilities that has escaped much attention is how local ceasefires during this period of quiet have been brokered by Russian army officers — usually quite senior officers. Their efforts have been met with striking successes. More than 40 such ceasefires have been secured. Perhaps, if the Geneva process fails, we shall see a bottom-up process take over instead.

    On the basis of these agreements, some of which have been negotiated by the United Nations and others by the Syrian government, local elections will eventually be held. Then regional. Then parliamentary. The constitution will be revised. And finally, presidential elections will be held under international supervision. In short, Syrians — both at home and in exile — would ultimately decide on their governance..............
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    Post  PapaDragon Thu Mar 17, 2016 11:34 pm

    Militarov wrote:
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    Thanks for reply Militarov! thumbsup
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Thu Mar 17, 2016 11:38 pm

    Russia's adventure in #Syria cost $465m - #Putin. Reference: U.S. spends ~$500m yearly on military marching bands

    https://twitter.com/MuradoRT/status/710491335694880768

    ...So it was less than half the projected cost, which was originally projected to cost $1 billion. Very pleasing news, but it should surprise no one considering FAB-250's cost less than $5,000 a piece (something in the range of $4,700-4,800 a pop).
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    Post  KoTeMoRe Thu Mar 17, 2016 11:44 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:Russia's adventure in #Syria cost $465m - #Putin. Reference: U.S. spends ~$500m yearly on military marching bands

    https://twitter.com/MuradoRT/status/710491335694880768

    ...So it was less than half the projected cost, which was originally projected to cost $1 billion. Very pleasing news, but it should surprise no one considering FAB-250's cost less than $5,000 a piece (something in the range of $4,700-4,800 a pop).

    The projected cost of 1 billion was for the whole year. However I'd be very cautious with the official numbers. Afterall even 700 million is a very small amount for the ass kicking it delivered.
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    Post  ultron Thu Mar 17, 2016 11:47 pm

    Militarov wrote:
    ultron wrote:I thought Putin said no Russian ground forces in action in Syria.

    SOF, advisors and other branches are not really "ground force", ground force is when you send whole brigade, division, batallion or whatever into field to fight.

    There are artillery units in action. How is that not ground force?

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    Post  Guest Thu Mar 17, 2016 11:52 pm

    ultron wrote:
    Militarov wrote:
    ultron wrote:I thought Putin said no Russian ground forces in action in Syria.

    SOF, advisors and other branches are not really "ground force", ground force is when you send whole brigade, division, batallion or whatever into field to fight.

    There are artillery units in action. How is that not ground force?


    Artillery units were there to defend airbase, so were air defence and electronic warfare units, and whole naval infantry batallion in place to defend installations, that however is not "ground force". Ground force is when you move 5000 men with equipment to attack Aleppo.
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    Post  Guest Thu Mar 17, 2016 11:53 pm

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    Europeans will mostly get the joke Smile
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    Post  KoTeMoRe Thu Mar 17, 2016 11:54 pm

    Militarov wrote:Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #8 - Page 20 CdxF8gKWEAAyxGF

    Europeans will mostly get the joke Smile

    Don't tell it to Ukrainians.
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    Post  ultron Fri Mar 18, 2016 12:00 am

    The US attempts to incite civil war in Russia by arming pro America Russian traitors. Russia use the Syria scenario to learn how to deal with domestic threats and terror. If terrorists take over buildings, what do you know? You bomb those buildings. If you bomb buildings and Americans bitch and cry about that what do you do? You ignore them.
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    Post  KoTeMoRe Fri Mar 18, 2016 12:04 am

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    magnumcromagnon wrote:This one is for KoTeMoRe to dissect:

    Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #8 - Page 20 CdfnnKrWIAAPbAw

    PN19K5 Night vision sight from NPZ. Nice little things the Syrians are getting with their 74M's. Something however is even more funny, guy's wearing Iranian made boots seen mostly with the Al Nujaba, Iraqi Hezbullah crowd.

    BTW I want to hear your opinion about Ankara hosting Al Qaeda flag waving conferences (in a building named after Ataturk). I mean how far gone is Turkish society that the only credible secular force left is the Kurds who are under military siege? Is there any secular ethnic Turkish force left, or are they all castrated eunuchs who won't dare challenge Wahabbist/Salafist savagery?

    Like I said, how far gone is Turkish society? In another thread you said Konya, Turkey looks like Raqqa without the bombs, would you be so kind to please elaborate further?

    There could be a whole day of blubber about Turkey and radicalism/Islamism.

    Konya has been for long time (along with places like Salinurfa, Gaziantep, Urfa and many other deep Anatolian cities) the center of Islamist thinking. Mainly policed and nice, but unfortunately also very conservative. Konya until 2000 was basically a Sufi Las Vegas where you could see tourists. Since 2000+ it slowly but surely became a far more stricter Sunni Green Hell. Even a guy like Erbakan wouldn't dream of the kind of islamisation in deep Anatolia.

    It's basically a retarded place for retarded people.
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    Post  franco Fri Mar 18, 2016 12:07 am

    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    Militarov wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:It is a Xaron/Charon witha Doctersight 3 on top. The MD is indeed very old school. Weird. For the rest gear looks legit. The dead body too. I don't understand how he was killed alone. Now in close combatthese things happen alas.

    Rest in peace.

    They now claim how they killed 5 Russians.

    https://a3maqagency.files.wordpress.com/2016/03/rk17032016.jpg?w=700 - another body (so they claim)


    5 Russians? FAC?

    Wasn't there reports of Russians / Slavic volunteers / mercenaries fighting in Syria?
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Fri Mar 18, 2016 12:12 am

    franco wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    Militarov wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:It is a Xaron/Charon witha Doctersight 3 on top. The MD is indeed very old school. Weird. For the rest gear looks legit. The dead body too. I don't understand how he was killed alone. Now in close combatthese things happen alas.

    Rest in peace.

    They now claim how they killed 5 Russians.

    https://a3maqagency.files.wordpress.com/2016/03/rk17032016.jpg?w=700 - another body (so they claim)


    5 Russians? FAC?

    Wasn't there reports of Russians / Slavic volunteers / mercenaries fighting in Syria?

    There was at least one case of a veteran of Lugansk SR who died fighting alongside the Pershmerga against ISIS in Northern Iraq. It's completely plausible scenario.
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    Post  ultron Fri Mar 18, 2016 12:12 am

    franco wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    Militarov wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:It is a Xaron/Charon witha Doctersight 3 on top. The MD is indeed very old school. Weird. For the rest gear looks legit. The dead body too. I don't understand how he was killed alone. Now in close combatthese things happen alas.

    Rest in peace.

    They now claim how they killed 5 Russians.

    https://a3maqagency.files.wordpress.com/2016/03/rk17032016.jpg?w=700 - another body (so they claim)


    5 Russians? FAC?

    Wasn't there reports of Russians / Slavic volunteers / mercenaries fighting in Syria?

    Who would pay for them? Syria has no money after years of devastating war.
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    Post  Guest Fri Mar 18, 2016 12:19 am

    ultron wrote:
    franco wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    Militarov wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:It is a Xaron/Charon witha Doctersight 3 on top. The MD is indeed very old school. Weird. For the rest gear looks legit. The dead body too. I don't understand how he was killed alone. Now in close combatthese things happen alas.

    Rest in peace.

    They now claim how they killed 5 Russians.

    https://a3maqagency.files.wordpress.com/2016/03/rk17032016.jpg?w=700 - another body (so they claim)


    5 Russians? FAC?

    Wasn't there reports of Russians / Slavic volunteers / mercenaries fighting in Syria?

    Who would pay for them? Syria has no money after years of devastating war.

    Its very hard for gov. to run out of money completely, no matter how poor is the country. My friend is working as security in Somalia for their gov. has better pay than most of the US.
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    Post  KoTeMoRe Fri Mar 18, 2016 12:28 am

    JohninMK wrote:Claimed to be a GRU party in Syria, photos from a personal device, from IS apparently. Bit strange.

    https://twitter.com/bm21_grad/status/710555720673050625

    The guy who they show dead could be possibly the telnyashka wearing man, seen wearing a gorka next (2nd & 3rd pictures). Otherwise the dead guy with the gorka could be a Russian reporter who looked close to the body.

    https://twitter.com/bm21_grad/status/710555720673050625

    They haven't killed 5 of them. I'm thinking only one and the dead they shown, could well be a Syrian guy.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Fri Mar 18, 2016 12:41 am

    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:Claimed to be a GRU party in Syria, photos from a personal device, from IS apparently. Bit strange.

    https://twitter.com/bm21_grad/status/710555720673050625

    The guy who they show dead could be possibly the telnyashka wearing man, seen wearing a gorka next (2nd & 3rd pictures). Otherwise the dead guy with the gorka could be a Russian reporter who looked close to the body.

    https://twitter.com/bm21_grad/status/710555720673050625

    They haven't killed 5 of them. I'm thinking only one and the dead they shown, could well be a Syrian guy.

    Yeah ISIS are known peddlers of black propaganda, apparently some of the gear is of the older variety, and it's not unheard of for Russian MOD to give the SAA some of it's older and even unwanted stuff, such as the GAZ-66's representing the former and the Iveco trucks representing the latter.
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    Post  KoTeMoRe Fri Mar 18, 2016 1:03 am

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:Claimed to be a GRU party in Syria, photos from a personal device, from IS apparently. Bit strange.

    https://twitter.com/bm21_grad/status/710555720673050625

    The guy who they show dead could be possibly the telnyashka wearing man, seen wearing a gorka next (2nd & 3rd pictures). Otherwise the dead guy with the gorka could be a Russian reporter who looked close to the body.

    https://twitter.com/bm21_grad/status/710555720673050625

    They haven't killed 5 of them. I'm thinking only one and the dead they shown, could well be a Syrian guy.

    Yeah ISIS are known peddlers of black propaganda, apparently some of the gear is of the older variety, and it's not unheard of for Russian MOD to give the SAA some of it's older and even unwanted stuff, such as the GAZ-66's representing the former and the Iveco trucks representing the latter.

    I believe that the 74M modified is legit. It's an SSO gun, there's parts on it that are known to be in possession of SSO (Doctersight 3 and Charon Night Sight plus some of the items like the military Celox complement) and the m193 rail on adapter is typical of the guns.

    Also from the pictures: Look at the older guy in the GRU group and look at this.

    https://twitter.com/bm21_grad/status/708008636283555848

    Second picture.
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    Post  short_fuze Fri Mar 18, 2016 1:07 am

    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:
    ....

    The guy who they show dead could be possibly the telnyashka wearing man, seen wearing a gorka next (2nd & 3rd pictures). Otherwise the dead guy with the gorka could be a Russian reporter who looked close to the body.

    https://twitter.com/bm21_grad/status/710555720673050625

    They haven't killed 5 of them. I'm thinking only one and the dead they shown, could well be a Syrian guy.

    In a search for the origins of the group shot on the left, the only other place it occurs is liveuamap.com - a Ukrop site?
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    Post  KoTeMoRe Fri Mar 18, 2016 2:04 am

    Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #8 - Page 20 LiveLeak-dot-com-978_1458255367-458_1458255474

    High definition of the gun and optics.

    The Gun isn't a 74M. Most probably a chop job on a 74N (you can also see the year of production of the gun, 1992). In retrospect, it looks like indeed a 74N has been applied almost the whole MR upgrade on the gun. Handguard, grip, buttstock

    BTW whoever this guy was, he died with his gun in hand. Rest in Peace warrior.

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