Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #6

Syrian and Hezzie media are saying it was IAF. Or they are blaming the big nosed devils again ?

I am also suspicious of claims that Russia would quietly accept a 'heads up' from anyone targetting the leader of one of the most effective forces taking on ISIS, particularly if the building was occupied by innocent civilians.

You are very naive if You think Russia gives a crap about bunch of hezzies or civilians. Russia is here to help Assad to stay in power, kill islamists that threaten Russia and to have some military experience. That's it. Protecting hezzies or other militias is not Russian business no matter what side they fight. SAA on other hand enjoys Russian support. SAA is winning the war and militias are just small cogs and Russia seems don't care much about them as it's Irans responsibility.

Is the news inaccurate or the Turks just went full retard ?

http://qha.com.ua/en/politics/turkey-states-russia-can-be-occupied-for-week/135375/

Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu: 'If necessary, we can occupy Russia for less than 7 days, with the help of NATO and our regional allies.'

higurashihougi wrote:Is the news inaccurate or the Turks just went full retard ?

http://qha.com.ua/en/politics/turkey-states-russia-can-be-occupied-for-week/135375/

Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu: 'If necessary, we can occupy Russia for less than 7 days, with the help of NATO and our regional allies.'                  

They're also actively pursuing acts of terrorism in Russia's southern periphery, and yet we still have people whining "not to escalate" against Turkey,  I mean for FFS Turkey is causing all the escalation of the situation without Russia doing anything. BTW, for Christmas carved Turkey sounds really good right now...

higurashihougi wrote:Is the news inaccurate or the Turks just went full retard ?

http://qha.com.ua/en/politics/turkey-states-russia-can-be-occupied-for-week/135375/

Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu: 'If necessary, we can occupy Russia for less than 7 days, with the help of NATO and our regional allies.'                  

Oh man, if he said ''Russia can occupy Turkey in 7 days'' I would believe it. Sh*tload of collateral damage if you go for just 7 days but doable.

But Turkey occupying Russia even with NATO? I will have whatever they're smoking. Hell, given the nonsense coming out of Turkistan these days they probably gone back to smoking old school opium...

The reply should be "come and try it and see."

higurashihougi wrote:Is the news inaccurate or the Turks just went full retard ?

http://qha.com.ua/en/politics/turkey-states-russia-can-be-occupied-for-week/135375/

Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu: 'If necessary, we can occupy Russia for less than 7 days, with the help of NATO and our regional allies.'                  

Most likely bullshit from media, I doubt a FM would say something so retard as this.

Agreed. .ua, isnt that Ukraine? Cause if he made such a statement, it would have gone viral.

People are having too much misconception about Israel and Russia having some sort of deep cooperation. It will never happen and in every single conflict in which Russians got killed you will see the Isreali hand. Take any recent (past) conflicts like Chechnya, Georgia, Ukraine, in every single case their was the dirty Isreali hands against the the Russians. Its the fu&king Ju's (majority of oilgarches who looted Russian property was Ju's) inside Russia and in media who re the most anti-russian pigs on the planet and a threat to Russian national security. If at all Israel is sort of displaying some good boy behavior, it only coz they do not want to upset the status quo w.r.t to their military balance with an outright conflict with Russia. People believing the Ju's to be some kind of fu$king holy cow is laughable.

See the order of things - Sultan embrace the Ju's once again and the first results are a strike on the Hezbollah targets inside Syria. The larger objective is to break Hezbollah-SAA cooperation in this critical counter-terrorists operation which have gained momentum in northern sector and divert their manpower against Israel.

Its been no secret that the Turks and Ju's have been supporting the terrorists inside Syria and have been working hard for the past 5 years to overthrow the Syrian Govt and destroying the Syrian military. Its been their objective because a state and its organized military force is the only threat to Israel and its objectives.

Its really stupid to write off the current strike because, at some point the same thing can be done to the Syrian Govt assets in Damascus. Russia needs to protect its allies and there can be no second way to it. The best way to do it is increasing its air-superiority fighters and introducing early warning assets to the region with good AD assets in required numbers to deter and destroy even a full scale offensive!

Once the full scale southern sector ops begin with VKS assets, I would like to see the VKS bomb the crap out of the terrorists operating out off the Golan heights and their supporting assets. They can perfectly carry out the strikes from inside the Syrian territory.  

ANNA news with SAA & NDF filming the Russian Su-24 crash position in Lattakia North CS

Regular wrote:Syrian and Hezzie media are saying it was IAF. Or they are blaming the big nosed devils again ?

I am also suspicious of claims that Russia would quietly accept a 'heads up' from anyone targetting the leader of one of the most effective forces taking on ISIS, particularly if the building was occupied by innocent civilians.

You are very naive if You think Russia gives a crap about bunch of hezzies or civilians. Russia is here to help Assad to stay in power, kill islamists that threaten Russia and to have some military experience. That's it. Protecting hezzies or other militias is not Russian business no matter what side they fight. SAA on other hand enjoys Russian support. SAA is winning the war and militias are just small cogs and Russia seems don't care much about them as it's Irans responsibility.

The Russian air force activities are NOTHING without troops on the ground. Territory can only be gained  and held by ground forces. If the Russians are going to stab one of the key ground forces in the back over Syria, it deserves the same fate as Turkey for it's backstabbing of Russia.

Talking of back-stabbing - the back-stabbers Turkey are making nice with the other ISIS-supporting nation, Israel.

higurashihougi wrote:Is the news inaccurate or the Turks just went full retard ?

http://qha.com.ua/en/politics/turkey-states-russia-can-be-occupied-for-week/135375/

Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu: 'If necessary, we can occupy Russia for less than 7 days, with the help of NATO and our regional allies.'                  

If only was real and Turkey try it..   It will make things 500% way easier for Russia.

The main issue that Russia face is that United States is in an undeclared war against
Russia and is using other countries and or terrorist to attack Russian people as Ukraine and or Russian interest as it is in Syria ,that is nothing but a pipeline war to replace Gazprom in Europe.

If US and or Turkey stopped playing games and went from a proxy war to a direct war against Russia for no valid reason other than they want Russian to cease to exist. and lets say they invaded Crimea. it will be very easy for Russia to retaliate and in full force,it will be self defense of their nation. it will be impossible for Turkey to claim their warships were not in Russia territory if they sinked in Russian territory and they were warned to leave. Turkey cannot say they did not know they were inside Russia

When you look at things this way..Not even Israel army dares to invade Syria ,when its army is still capable to fight back at them and hit hard ,in Syrian main land.. because it will be impossible to justify "self defense" if they killed when they invaded another nation. that said.. even Evil Nations like Turkey have a system of values of wrong and right. and they will have no way to explain Turkey citizens or its parliament a declaration of war against Russia.  It will be suicide.and it will be erdogan end. he will break the nation unity and provoke a civil war. It will be way easier if Turkey goes invade Crimea under any pretext.

My belief the whole news if true ,it just Psychological warfare ,from their CIA Advisors
to pressure Russia. It is also aimed at Russia economy too.. to scare investors..

Anyone who observe that the whole war on Russia both in Ukraine and Syria
is an Economic war against Russia ,the major objective it will be correct. This is why the toothpaste  bomb story and downplaying Sochi..its economic war. So desperate American Imperialism is to destroy Russia economy..that they collapse Oil prices even damaging their own
economy in hope to collapse Russia economy.

You are correct until last part.  Russian historical land is at its current form and even adjusting with the novorussian issue.  They wont be able to invoke any kind of such soviet split within Russia due to this issue alone.  There is a reason why it didnt further break apart back in 91.  Only areas in question are some of the north caucuses republics.  But effectively, rest of the country is mainly ethnic Russian.  Many people understand this.  So their aim is to get people to remove Putin from power in order to get someone in whom is willing to do what US wants so that they have free reign to steal what they can like in the 90's.

The way out of this for Russia is moving to a more planned economy, internal competitive structure (domestic consumption demand) with also move to further trade with friendly nations.  Once the religious banks start, the west and Turkey should have significant less power in Russian economy.

Iranians and Hezbollah know Russian objectives in Syria, Hezbollah`s fight against Israel is not part of the deal. There is no hard feelings there.

Dima wrote:People are having too much misconception about Israel and Russia having some sort of deep cooperation. It will never happen and in every single conflict in which Russians got killed you will see the Isreali hand. Take any recent (past) conflicts like Chechnya, Georgia, Ukraine, in every single case their was the dirty Isreali hands against the the Russians. Its the fu&king Ju's (majority of oilgarches who looted Russian property was Ju's) inside Russia and in media who re the most anti-russian pigs on the planet and a threat to Russian national security. If at all Israel is sort of displaying some good boy behavior, it only coz they do not want to upset the status quo w.r.t to their military balance with an outright conflict with Russia. People believing the Ju's to be some kind of fu$king holy cow is laughable.

See the order of things - Sultan embrace the Ju's once again and the first results are a strike on the Hezbollah targets inside Syria. The larger objective is to break Hezbollah-SAA cooperation in this critical counter-terrorists operation which have gained momentum in northern sector and divert their manpower against Israel.

Its been no secret that the Turks and Ju's have been supporting the terrorists inside Syria and have been working hard for the past 5 years to overthrow the Syrian Govt and destroying the Syrian military. Its been their objective because a state and its organized military force is the only threat to Israel and its objectives.

Its really stupid to write off the current strike because, at some point the same thing can be done to the Syrian Govt assets in Damascus. Russia needs to protect its allies and there can be no second way to it. The best way to do it is increasing its air-superiority fighters and introducing early warning assets to the region with good AD assets in required numbers to deter and destroy even a full scale offensive!

Once the full scale southern sector ops begin with VKS assets, I would like to see the VKS bomb the crap out of the terrorists operating out off the Golan heights and their supporting assets. They can perfectly carry out the strikes from inside the Syrian territory.  

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sepheronx wrote:You are correct until last part.  Russian historical land is at its current form and even adjusting with the novorussian issue.  They wont be able to invoke any kind of such soviet split within Russia due to this issue alone.  There is a reason why it didnt further break apart back in 91.  Only areas in question are some of the north caucuses republics.  But effectively, rest of the country is mainly ethnic Russian.  Many people understand this.  So their aim is to get people to remove Putin from power in order to get someone in whom is willing to do what US wants so that they have free reign to steal what they can like in the 90's.

The way out of this for Russia is moving to a more planned economy, internal competitive structure (domestic consumption demand) with also move to further trade with friendly nations.  Once the religious banks start, the west and Turkey should have significant less power in Russian economy.

Removing Putin is only a initial goal..the short term goal, the ultimate goal is the disband of Russia and they can do it. And this is true for any country of the world.. including USA.. no nation is immune to split. Economy and stability and peace and hope for better future is the glue that keep society united. when all those things ends the unity ends. if Russia economy was totally broke and they manage to get a new muslins vs ethnic Russians years conflict. Kaliningrad will split if Europe offers them to join the EU with jobs and Russia is 100% bankrupt and all it have is violence and bread lines. Tatarstan that is muslin could split too. Siberia too. People when see no hope for its economy and future of its family under a  nation that is at war will just accept anything for food and peace. If Putin was to be removed , Americans will not be happy with just that.. they cannot allow Russia to recover again and the best way to do that is africanize or somalize Russia.. and disband it in parts. and trough violence
and civil unrest split Russia. St Peterburg will split too if Russia is bankrupt for a a decade or two and in the middle of civil wars. Belarus is pure white Russian and split..so any region can do it. there is a moment when people simply only want peace and food and hopes for a better future and ,patriotism will not matter if you family have nothing to eat and you need a gun to protect your family and eat.


All said, even though in technical terms Russia could split ,just like any nation in the world can,the same is true for USA. and the probabilities of USA disbanding is several times higher because they have an artificial economy ,not real one and the government have shown no care for its people. Unity in Russia is way higher than in America. and Ukraine will definitely split too.. they have no hope. and several countries will show up there later. and Russia will end taking at least half of Ukraine albeit as a puppet independent state. That Russia will not be in obligation to finance or pay pensions but that will help them with business trade and energy and security and order.

Are you serious? Then you dont know Russia....

Tatarstan is half tatars, and they are not even all Muslim to boot. I can see Kaliningrad (maybe as most are ethnic Russian) and Chechnya, but not Siberia. Siberia is 98% Russian.  They would have left back in 98.  Go read on its history. You are far from the mark.

Russia will never go hungry or unsheltered unless a massive famine hit, no matter how poor.  This is evident and proven (hence why dacha farms consist of 40% or higher of Russias food development).

Ethnicity has what kept it together, even during famines that hit the country.  Those days are long gone.  Russia as a whole is over 80% Russian ethnicity. Very few regions have more of 1 ethnic group than the other.  As for Belarus and Ukraine, they have a massive Polish minority that has a lot of say, so the reason for the split. Thank the Polak lithuanian empire for that.  Outside of that Russia doesnt even come close to the same issue.  Texas has more of a sucessionist movement due to how different it is from the rest.  Russia on the other hand? No.

Talk about ethnicity Unity? Crimea.  It was well stated and mentioned that Crineas unity with Russia would cause a huge problem.  Instead, they could have stayed with Ukraine, gain EU acceptence and lots of money. They didnt. They wanted Unity with their homeland, even though they knew troubled times are ahead and Russia was already seeing problems.

sepheronx wrote:Are you serious? Then you dont know Russia....

Tatarstan is half tatars, and they are not even all Muslim to boot. I can see Kaliningrad (maybe as most are ethnic Russian) and Chechnya, but not Siberia. Siberia is 98% Russian.  They would have left back in 98.  Go read on its history. You are far from the mark.

Russia will never go hungry or unsheltered unless a massive famine hit, no matter how poor.  This is evident and proven (hence why dacha farms consist of 40% or higher of Russias food development).

Ethnicity has what kept it together, even during famines that hit the country.  Those days are long gone.  Russia as a whole is over 80% Russian ethnicity. Very few regions have more of 1 ethnic group than the other.  As for Belarus and Ukraine, they have a massive Polish minority that has a lot of say, so the reason for the split. Thank the Polak lithuanian empire for that.  Outside of that Russia doesnt even come close to the same issue.  Texas has more of a sucessionist movement due to how different it is from the rest.  Russia on the other hand? No.

Talk about ethnicity Unity? Crimea.  It was well stated and mentioned that Crineas unity with Russia would cause a huge problem.  Instead, they could have stayed with Ukraine, gain EU acceptence and lots of money. They didnt. They wanted Unity with their homeland, even though they knew troubled times are ahead and Russia was already seeing problems.

The only thing i say.. is that is not completely impossible for any nation in the world to split..
Russia ,US and Europe included. Food and family and economic future is more important for people than a flag. Look at Spain or UK nations that exist since the Roman empire time ,its people wants to split. You cannot keep unity in a nation with food alone. Family future is important too.

Im not saying that Russia will split.. i don't think that will happen. But no nation is immune
be completely divided .The more poor a country is the more easier is to split it. lets say a major coup with many political elite killed in Russia. The geographical lines of any nation is not something set in stone , people can change it priorities ,specially if a nation is under a civil war and with bankrupt economy. That said no worries Russia will not split ,but is only because it have a good leaders that knows how to keep unity in the country. Get a ultra Right wing white supremacist in power that start a crackdown on non ethnic Russians and you will get russia divided.

The comparrisons dont match though.  Spain's republics were dumped by spain themselves and the people of Catolina actually are ethnically different (which makes me still think it is stupid to split), and the Brits have no actual ethnic ties to many its vassels or they still have queen head of state (Canada and Australia).  Russia on the other hand ended up colonizing areas they captures wgen peter the Great ruled, and replaced many of the population with their own (spread out more) and hence why Siberia whom had no ethnic Russians 400 years ago, is now dominated by Russian ethnic.  Also, reason why Siberia and the rest are still part of Russia.  Same with Kaliningrad.  Ethnicity unity is what kept them together.  In two times in recent history, where Russia was in a bad economic position, it gained territory - Abkhazia and South Ossetia in 2008/9 and Crimea.  This is proof that even in tough times, people stick closer.  Also Putins popularity gain during troubled times.

Those days though, of the past and famine and real economic troubles, are past.  Russia is a growing agricultural power, energy power and is in a far better position than before (even far better than 2009) and it seems they are actually doing stuff to work itself out and its economy.  Self reliance is key here.  Not total reliance but enough to bunker down Russian economy is important.  So outside sources cant hurt it.  Not all Autarkies were failures.

Who would have thought that Russia would be able to issue a warning like this to the US? How the world is changing and, being over what they spent $Bs on to turn, as they thought, into a US fiefdom, Iraq, it must really hurt their pride in the Pentagon.

TEHRAN (FNA)- Syrian President Bashar al-Assad’s plane will be escorted by four Russian fighter jets during his upcoming visit to Iran, reports said, adding that the US coalition has been alerted to stand down as the Russian jets will have the permission to fire at will at any incoming aircraft.

“Four strategic Russian fighter jets will accompany the plane carrying the Syrian president during the visit to and from Iran,” the Lebanese al-Diyar daily reported on Sunday. The newspaper also added that the Syrian president is due to travel to Tehran via the Iraqi airspace. “The US-led international coalition’s air command has been warned not to approach Bashar Assad’s plane to avoid engagement,” it said.

Informed sources said on Friday that President Assad is slated to visit Iran in late December or early January.

I am curious if this trip is for building formality to possibility of Iran to have an airforce base in Syria? Or share one with Russia.

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higurashihougi wrote:Is the news inaccurate or the Turks just went full retard ?

http://qha.com.ua/en/politics/turkey-states-russia-can-be-occupied-for-week/135375/

Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu: 'If necessary, we can occupy Russia for less than 7 days, with the help of NATO and our regional allies.'                  

Most likely bullshit from media, I doubt a FM would say something so retard as this.

Just for the sake of completeness, I have to mention that Turkey made similar official statements during WW2.

Btw hats off to Israel ground intelligence even in such a mess in Syria they were able to trace out Hezb personnel. It was israel only not rebel mortar shells.

max steel wrote:Btw hats off to Israel ground intelligence even in such a mess in Syria they were able to trace out Hezb personnel. It was israel only not rebel mortar shells.

They walk around with yellow flags.

For a bit of light relief I was reading Putin's speech from the other day (link at end if you feel the urge as well). I found this bit quite interesting first that the Syrian Buks are now fully up to date, probably with the latest Russian not export s/w installed (my highlight). I love the use of the word 'adjusting'. Then in the third para his view that ISIS is primarily an oil stealing protection army. Not so sure about that one.

As I said, we were willing to cooperate with Turkey on very sensitive issues. So why did they do it? Tell me, why? What have they accomplished? Did they think we would just pack up and go? They could not have thought that of course, Russia is not that kind of country. We have increased our presence and increased the number of warplanes [in Syria]. We did not have air defence systems there, but after that we dispatched S-400 systems to the area. We are also adjusting the Syrian air defence system and have serviced the highly effective Buk systems that we had sent them before. Turkish planes used to fly there all the time, violating Syrian air space. Let them try it now. Why did they do it?

You asked if there is a third party involved. I see what you mean. We do not know, but if someone in Turkish leadership has decided to brown nose the Americans, I am not sure if they did the right thing. First, I do not know if the US needed this. I can imagine that certain agreements were reached at some level that they would down a Russian plane, while the US closes its eyes to Turkish troops entering Iraq, and occupying it. I do not know if there was such an exchange. We do not know. But whatever happened, they have put everyone in a bind. In my opinion – I have looked at the situation and everything that has happened and is happening there – it appears that ISIS is losing priority. I will share my impressions with you.

Some time ago, they invaded Iraq and destroyed that country (for good or bad is beside the point). The void set in. Then, elements tied to the oil trading emerged. This situation has been building up over the years. It is a business, a huge trafficking operation run on an industrial scale. Of course, they needed a military force to protect smuggling operations and illegal exports. It is great to be able to cite the Islamic factor and slogans to that effect in order to attract cannon fodder. Instead, the recruits are being manipulated in a game based on economic interests. They started urging people to join this movement. I think that is how ISIS came about.

http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/transcripts/50971

max steel wrote:Btw hats off to Israel ground intelligence even in such a mess in Syria they were able to trace out Hezb personnel. It was israel only not rebel mortar shells.

Just protecting their ISIS stooges who are guarding territory in the Golan that Israel covets.