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    Post  ult on Mon Nov 30, 2015 2:23 pm

    Su-34 with aa missiles.

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    Post  PapaDragon on Mon Nov 30, 2015 2:24 pm


    Rumors of plans to rebase 100+  Russian planes to the Sha'aryat airfield Southeast of Homs.

    http://sokol-ff.livejournal.com/1127264.html

    If true this could be the biggest f***k you VKS has ever come up with, to paraphrase Eric Cartman. russia
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    Post  PapaDragon on Mon Nov 30, 2015 3:10 pm

    BKP wrote:In Russian media, the suspicion is openly discussed that the US green-lighted or even backed the Turkish attack on the SU-24. Maybe it is, in fact, the accepted version of the event for the Russians. For example, on the latest RT "Crosstalk," Mark Sleboda claimed to have been told by a source that American-piloted F-15s were in the air, ready to back the Turkish F-16s, in case there was an immediate Russian counterattack by the aerospace forces operating out of Latakia.

    So, I'm wondering how this may effect Russian bombing missions where they either know or suspect that American special forces trainers are operating on the ground. There are many reports that say this is ongoing. And, obviously, the forces that the Americans will be training are going to be anti-Assad "rebels," aka jihadi terrorists.

    So, the question is: In the past perhaps the RuAF would temporarily avoid bombing targets where American SF were thought to be operating. I'm not sure if that was the case, but supposing it was, would the Russians not give such consideration now, and simply bomb the jihadis along with their American CIA/SF trainers? What do you think?

    USAF taking on VKS head-on? Not likely, even today's Pentagon is not that crazy. Especially not in Turkey's name. There are standards.

    From what I can tell VKS is bombing everything they want to lately but they will avoid US personnel. Certain code is honored at all times even though Turks may not be able to wrap their brains around it.

    They will definitely learn, the hard way it seems,  since VKS is now actively hunting anything even resembling Turks...
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    Post  PapaDragon on Mon Nov 30, 2015 3:32 pm


    Dat headline, arrrrr... pirat lol1

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    Post  KoTeMoRe on Mon Nov 30, 2015 3:38 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Rumors of plans to rebase 100+  Russian planes to the Sha'aryat airfield Southeast of Homs.

    http://sokol-ff.livejournal.com/1127264.html

    If true this could be the biggest f***k you VKS has ever come up with, to paraphrase Eric Cartman. russia

    100 aircraft sure, Planes, don't think so.

    It simply doesn't make sense. Economy would point to about 60 planes and helicopters and for heavy carpeting you can fly them from Russia.
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    Post  zg18 on Mon Nov 30, 2015 3:46 pm

    ult wrote:Su-34 with aa missiles.

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    Post  PapaDragon on Mon Nov 30, 2015 3:46 pm

    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    Rumors of plans to rebase 100+  Russian planes to the Sha'aryat airfield Southeast of Homs.

    http://sokol-ff.livejournal.com/1127264.html

    If true this could be the biggest f***k you VKS has ever come up with, to paraphrase Eric Cartman. russia

    100 aircraft sure, Planes, don't think so.

    It simply doesn't make sense. Economy would point to about 60 planes and helicopters and for heavy carpeting you can fly them from Russia.

    I definitely could have made mistake since I don't speak Russian so treat my reposts of Russian articles with additional scrutiny. Embarassed

    Agreed with you on number. Lots of firepower nonetheless...interesting...
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    Post  KoTeMoRe on Mon Nov 30, 2015 4:08 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    Rumors of plans to rebase 100+  Russian planes to the Sha'aryat airfield Southeast of Homs.

    http://sokol-ff.livejournal.com/1127264.html

    If true this could be the biggest f***k you VKS has ever come up with, to paraphrase Eric Cartman. russia

    100 aircraft sure, Planes, don't think so.

    It simply doesn't make sense. Economy would point to about 60 planes and helicopters and for heavy carpeting you can fly them from Russia.

    I definitely could have made mistake since I don't speak Russian so treat my reposts of Russian articles with additional scrutiny. Embarassed

    Agreed with you on number. Lots of firepower nonetheless...interesting...

    It's not you, that's what's written. The problem is that the airbase would need two battalions to protect, because of location. Bassel Al Assad IAP is easy to protect because there's friendly eyes and minds to check things for you. Shay'rat is in the middle of the operation area. Misshap waiting to happen.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shayrat_and_Tiyas_airbase_ambush

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    Post  ult on Mon Nov 30, 2015 4:17 pm

    zg18 wrote:
    ult wrote:Su-34 with aa missiles.

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    And a little bit different video.

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    Post  JohninMK on Mon Nov 30, 2015 4:17 pm

    ult wrote:Su-34 with aa missiles.

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    Confirmation

    For the first time since the operation's beginning Russian Su-34 bomber jets have conducted sorties in Syria with air-to-air missiles on Monday, the Russian Aerospace Forces spokesman said. "Today, for the first time Russian Su-34 fighter-bomber aircraft went on a mission carrying not only aerial bombs OFAB-500 and guided aerial bombs KAB-500, but with short and medium range air-to-air missiles," spokesman for the Russian Aerospace Forces, Col. Igor Klimov said, adding that the planes are equipped with missiles for protection. According to him, the missiles "are equipped with homing devices and are capable of hitting aerial targets at a distance of 60 kilometers(37.2 miles)."

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20151130/1030996495/russia-syria-su34-operation.html#ixzz3szKjtzbo


    From the videos there looks to have been a change in temperature there. The ground crew are no longer in shorts. That's a good load out of AAMs on that Su-34 filmed.
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    Post  Khepesh on Mon Nov 30, 2015 4:55 pm

    Regarding rumors of potential large scale Russian reinforcement in Syria to bring total forces up to 150 aircraft and 10,000 men. This seems nonsense, but taking a view from "left field" I see that Washington may want to bring in as many forces as possible in order to cause complications on the ground as regards an endgame. Washington does not want Assad as we all know, but with Russian support he will survive. However, with forces of essentially enemy countries in the air and potentially on the ground, remember that the loony Cameron seems to want to send his army as well as his airforce to wage undeclared war on Syria, the situation will be very difficult with perhaps eastern and northern areas of Syria occupied by various NATO forces, and it being impossible to remove them without WWIII. At the moment only "trainers" are on the ground and as the Americans seem to have stopped air attacks, only the French remain conducting undeclared war on Syria from the air. To circumvent a NATO, including Turkey, invasion of Syria, it may be seen to be advisable to increase Russian presence to a degree that will draw a line in the sand to NATO and make them see that any incursion will bring them head to head with Russia. I think to let the French continue to bomb IS as they need their revenge for Paris, but Russia should seriously consider a military treaty with Syria to guarantee it's borders, and, excepting the French, declare a total de facto no fly ban over all Syria for non Syrian and Russian aircraft, saying that it is simply too dangerous and ridiculous for warplanes of many nations operating over Syria, most of whose governments are active enemies of Syria. To reinforce to such a level and impose a no fly ban on NATO will certainly raise the temperature, but at least it would be on Russian terms, not at the diktat of Washington, as I am sure they will march into Syria if given the opportunity. It needs to be considered exactly what Russia is doing in Syria, and now loosing men. Is it simply to make Assad feel good and then back down if Washington starts to cause problems?. Washington wants Syria and they can only be stopped by pre-empting them on the ground and in the air, IMO.

    Edit: What I mean here is not Russia fighting Assad's war on the ground, but a serious show of force to dissuade Washington from further adventurism.
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    Post  Solncepek on Mon Nov 30, 2015 5:15 pm

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    Post  Solncepek on Mon Nov 30, 2015 5:27 pm

    Over 100 Russian jet fighters and a new Brigade are expected in Syria once Sha’ayrat airport is in service


    Russia is preparing a second airport in East Homs to increase its fleet to over 100 fighting jets, in addition to Hamemeen in Latakia, Syria. One Brigade of around 1000 men is on the way to reinforce the Russian ground troops effective to join the fight on terror to Syria.

    A high ranking officer within the joint military operation room in Damascus (includes Russia, Syria, Iran and Hezbollah) said “Russia is preparing to send a Brigade of intelligence and Special Forces, in support of the already deployed forces in Syria to participate to selective battle and to deploy around Al-Sha’yarat military airport, qualified to be the second airport Damascus places at the service of the Russian Air Force”.

    “Al-Sha’ayrat Airport, located southeast of the city of Homs, is the best available option for the newly arriving fighter jets. Russia required from the joint forces (Hezbollah, Iraqi forces and IRGC- Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps) to retake control of Al-Qaryateyn and Palmyra-Tadmur from the self proclaimed “Islamic State” (ISIS) known as “Daesh”, to expand the security perimeter around the airport to prevent any shelling possible that may affect the Russian Air Force once inside the new airport”
    According to the source ” the two-runways-three kilometers long Sha’yarat ‘ airport contains about 45 fortified hangar that can protect any damage to air jets and personnel in the event of shelling. A team of Russian and Syrian engineers is already working at al-Sha’ayrat and will be operational when Russian jets are less busy in the north of Syria. Russian Air Force has intensified its sorties recently and is dedicating most of its operation against pro-Turkish and pro al-Qaeda (Jabhat al-Nusra) fighters. Gathering of forces and convoy aid crossing the borders from Turkey into Syria are hit by Russia in response to the downing of its Su-24 and the killing of the pilot by pro-Turkey ground militia while in the air.”

    “Ground military operation in the vicinity of Palmyra will soon regain its intensity against ISIS. The coalition forces (Iran, Hezbollah and the Iraqi and Syrian forces) have reached the city limits but needs air support to minimize losses. Russia has promised that it will raise the number of its aircraft to above 100 to meet the needs of ground forces. Moscow is sending a large number of multiple (24) unguided rocket launchers and thermobaric Pinocchio TOS-1, designed for defeating enemy personnel in fortifications in open space. Russian forces is already using it to bomb Jabal al-Akrad and pro-Turkey Turkmen deployed not only on the border between the two countries, but also in the countryside of the province of Latakia and A’zaz “, he said.
    According to the source “since Turkey shot down the Sukhoi 24 last week on the borders, inside Syria, Russian Air force focused on targeting any truck crossings A’zaz and Bab al-Salama borders into Syria as a response to Turkey proxies. Russia will gradually increase it support to allies in Syria to remove the Syrian opposition from the Syrian-Turkish border. Russia considers all non-secular opposition forces and those receiving foreign military support as legitimate targets and part of a crackdown on terrorism in the Levant. ”
    Sha’ayrat air force base map link: http://wikimapia.org/23180878/Shayrat-Military-Airbase
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    Post  JohninMK on Mon Nov 30, 2015 6:18 pm

    Solncepek wrote:Over 100 Russian jet fighters and a new Brigade are expected in Syria once Sha’ayrat airport is in service


    Why oh why do you still not provide a link so we can judge the quality of this data??????
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    Post  ult on Mon Nov 30, 2015 6:22 pm

    JohninMK wrote:
    Solncepek wrote:Over 100 Russian jet fighters and a new Brigade are expected in Syria once Sha’ayrat airport is in service


    Why oh why do you still not provide a link so we can judge the quality of this data??????

    https://elijahjm.wordpress.com/2015/11/30/over-100-russian-jet-fighters-and-a-new-brigade-are-expected-in-syria-once-shaayrat-airport-is-in-service/
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    Post  JohninMK on Mon Nov 30, 2015 6:26 pm

    ult wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:
    Solncepek wrote:Over 100 Russian jet fighters and a new Brigade are expected in Syria once Sha’ayrat airport is in service


    Why oh why do you still not provide a link so we can judge the quality of this data??????

    https://elijahjm.wordpress.com/2015/11/30/over-100-russian-jet-fighters-and-a-new-brigade-are-expected-in-syria-once-shaayrat-airport-is-in-service/

    Thanks, is it believable?
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    Post  ult on Mon Nov 30, 2015 6:44 pm

    JohninMK wrote:
    Thanks, is it believable?

    I don't know. There is a reason to it, but he states some wrong facts, like Russia having 69 planes in Latakia. I know that he took this number out of presentation by MoD, I've posted in this thread, but that number includes Krymsk, Mozdok and Engels. And there is a second base 4 Russian Mi-24P and 1 Mi-8AMTSH operate from already.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Mon Nov 30, 2015 8:03 pm


    Looks like it's getting official... thumbsup


    Knock, Knock, Daesh: Finest Russian Combat Helicopters Come to Syria

    Kamov Ka-52 and Mil Mi-28 attack helicopters were spotted in the vicinity of Hmeymim airbase in Syria.


    http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20151130/1031012769/russia-attack-helicopters-syria.html

    Syrian media covering the rescue of Konstantin Murahtin, co-pilot of the Su-24 bomber aircraft shot down by Turkish forces in Syria, made a rather interesting discovery.

    Russian state-of-the-art Kamov Ka-52 Alligator and Mil Mi-28N Night Hunter attack helicopters could be clearly seen on video reportedly filmed by Syrian TV crews in the vicinity of the Hmeymim airbase which serves as the primary base of operations for Russian Aerospace Forces elements deployed in Syria.

    The helicopters only appear on film for a few seconds but Ka-52 can be easily identified due to their distinct silhouette.

    The Kamov Ka-52 helicopter, along with other modifications of the Ka-50 Black Shark attack helicopters is usually employed by Russian military for special forces support, while the Mil Mi-28 is designated as the main army gunship.

    This is apparently the first confirmed sightings of these types of helicopters during the ongoing Russian airborne campaign in Syria against Daesh, also known as ISIL and the Islamic State.

    Old video mentioned in article:




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    Post  PapaDragon on Mon Nov 30, 2015 8:05 pm


    Putin: Russia Has Evidence Su-24 Shot Down to Protect Daesh Oil Deliveries

    Discussing the matter with world leaders during the Paris climate talks, Russian President Vladimir Putin said that Moscow has evidence that the Su-24 was shot down by Turkey to protect oil deliveries of the ISIL terrorist group, also known as Daesh, and that oil from IS-controlled fields is being exported to Turkey on an industrial scale.


    http://sputniknews.com/russia/20151130/1031011936/putin-wide-su-24-agreement.html

    "We have every reason to believe that the decision to shoot down our aircraft was dictated by the desire to ensure the safety of supply routes of oil to Turkey, to the ports where they are shipped in tankers," Putin said.

    Discussing the matter with world leaders during the Paris climate talks, Russian President Vladimir Putin said that most colleagues agree there was no need to attack the Su-24 bomber, as it was not threatening Turkey.

    Putin also said that the Syria conflict was to be a main topic of bilateral meetings during the summit, with hopes  that anti-terror cooperation with France, in particular, will "go further" than with other countries.

    He said that despite the downing of the Su-24 by Ankara, Moscow will continue to strive for a broad, international coalition to combat the terrorist group, adding that he regrets the deterioration of relations between Russia and Turkey.

    "I think that this is regrettable for all of us," Putin said. "And for me personally it's a real pity, because I myself did much to build up relations with Turkey over the course of a long period of time."

    Speaking with US President Barack Obama, Putin stressed that there is a general agreement on Syria's future, and that new elections are necessary.

    As the climate talks continue through the week, the White House has confirmed that Obama will meet with Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan on Tuesday.
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    Post  ult on Mon Nov 30, 2015 8:05 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Looks like it's getting official... thumbsup

    The video with Mi-28N and Ka-52 was taken in Russia.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Mon Nov 30, 2015 8:23 pm


    Oh yeah baby, ride 'em rough!!!! pwnd

    Russian raids repeatedly hit Syrian Turkmen areas, Moscow's data shows

    http://uk.reuters.com/article/2015/11/30/uk-mideast-crisis-russia-turkey-airstrik-idUKKBN0TJ11W20151130
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    Post  Khepesh on Mon Nov 30, 2015 8:29 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:[b]
    Putin: Russia Has Evidence Su-24 Shot Down to Protect Daesh Oil Deliveries
    This, plus the evidence from Putin that terrorists from Chechnya and Dagestan are supported by Turkey, is more than sufficient for some countries to go to war, in fact, if Russia went to war with Turkey there would 100% more legitimacy than the US led war on Iraq in 2003 which was based on lies and, well, evil I guess. There won't be a war, but Turkey seemingly now abandoned by all except the pig fucker and his Turkish friend/catamite/fag Boris Kemal, should be made to sweat, like a Turkish bath on full blast.....
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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg on Mon Nov 30, 2015 8:33 pm

    Russia can wage an indirect war with Turkey via Kurds - and arms delivery to Kurds is something I have been proposing all along - make sure each time Turkey shells Kurds wanting to take Jarabulus, a barrage of several dozen Tockha-Us hit Turkish positions from Rojava.

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