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    Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #4

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    Post  Fred333 Thu Nov 19, 2015 6:31 am

    they should consider it an honor to be killed by the most beautiful bombers ever built
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    Post  zorobabel Thu Nov 19, 2015 7:17 am

    Russia reportedly brokered a 15 day ceasefire in East Ghouta between the rebels and the SAA. It's not clear yet, but I think it is the beginning of what I suspected, which is the de-escalation of fighting between FSA, SAA, YPG/SDF and a sole focus on radical Islamist groups.
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    Post  PapaDragon Thu Nov 19, 2015 7:18 am

    Fred333 wrote:they should consider it an honor to be killed by the most beautiful bombers ever built

    Indeed, like monkeys in "2001:A Space Odyssey" their entire existence has been elevated to a whole new level simply by managing to attract the attention of something as superior and exalted.

    Same applies to those idiots in Aleppo who are dancing around jettisoned fuel tank of a cruise missile like it is a Monolith. russia


    Some extra videos, don't know if repost:







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    Post  JohninMK Thu Nov 19, 2015 7:31 am

    Moscow keeping quiet on this?

    The Russian military fired cruise missiles from ships in the Caspian Sea in the latest attack against the Islamic State on Tuesday, Operation Inherent Resolve spokesperson Col. Steve Warren said in briefing.

    WASHINGTON (Sputnik) — However, Russia's General Staff said Wednesday that Russian strategic bombers had launched cruise missiles on ISIL targets.

    On Tuesday, Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu announced that the Russian Aerospace Forces doubled the number of sorties against Islamic State targets in Syria during the first day of a newly-planned air campaign that now involves strategic bombers.

    “There were sea-based cruise missiles came out of the Caspian,” Warren stated on Wednesday when asked to confirm Russia’s sea-based strikes against the terrorist group.

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20151118/1030351879/pentagon-russia-caspian-based-cruise-missiles.html#ixzz3rsRQEu3w
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    Post  JohninMK Thu Nov 19, 2015 7:34 am

    PapaDragon wrote:


    Some extra videos, don't know if repost:  

    Yes, but in the other thread, may as well have them here as well, good news is always good news!
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    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt Thu Nov 19, 2015 7:37 am

    max steel wrote:How exactly can Tu-160 fire towards Syria from Russian territories ? ...

    The way it could always do. It can even cover its targets in the continental US and way beyond just after takeoff from its bases in Russia.

    I have given range info in my earlier posts.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Thu Nov 19, 2015 7:39 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Fred333 wrote:they should consider it an honor to be killed by the most beautiful bombers ever built

    Indeed, like monkeys in "2001:A Space Odyssey" their entire existence has been elevated to a whole new level simply by managing to attract the attention of something as superior and exalted.

    Same applies to those idiots in Aleppo who are dancing around jettisoned fuel tank of a cruise missile like it is a Monolith.  russia


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    They've been posted by 'ult', but I forgive you Wink because no one should be blamed for wanting to re-post rare and exotic video of the Kh/X-101...I mean for once we got to see non-makets, the Real Deal Holy Spiel...but the real question remains....why the Kh/X-101 and not some other non-stealthy cruise missiles? Probably because they want to send a message to NATO, and they (NATO) couldn't even track 3M-14's with conventional shaping, I could only imagine NATO wetting their beds over Kh/X-101's stealth shaping, and monster sized 5,500 km range.
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    Post  Vann7 Thu Nov 19, 2015 7:44 am

    Some people saying Cruise missiles can be shot down with regular artillery or machine guns
    have to check reality. You need andavanced /real anti air defenses (like Pansirs) to shot down missiles flying so fast ,that will only show up for ~2 seconds in your view distance .  If any cruise missile collapse it had to be because it autodestroyed itself..after missing its target.. all cruise missiles have this capability.

    Russia latest manpads could do it.. but it require previous knowledge with radar of the route and real proffessionals with major training to do it ,  and is very dangerous.. if a missile explode 500meters from you it can kill you even if you intercept it . So good luck trying to "shot down one" using machine guns or anti air artillery not a chance.  The videos around of one cruise missile falling have to be that it self destructed.

    Thanks.


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    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt Thu Nov 19, 2015 7:45 am

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    They've been posted by 'ult', but I forgive you Wink because no one should be blamed for wanting to re-post rare and exotic video of the Kh/X-101...I mean for once we got to see non-makets, the Real Deal Holy Spiel...but the real question remains....why the Kh/X-101 and not some other non-stealthy cruise missiles? Probably because they want to send a message to NATO, and they (NATO) couldn't even track 3M-14's with conventional shaping, I could only imagine NATO wetting their beds over Kh/X-101's stealth shaping, and monster sized 5,500 km range.

    Because Kh-101 is a very old system by the Russian standards; I would have been surprised if they were using Kh-987889.


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    Post  ult Thu Nov 19, 2015 7:45 am

    Yeah. Everyone who follows this thread should just subscribe to the official Russian Ministry of Defense youtube channel - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCQGqX5Ndpm4snE0NTjyOJnA

    The press briefings usually happen either at 15:00-16:00 or 18:00-19:00 Moscow time. The video updates get posted around that time.
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    Post  PapaDragon Thu Nov 19, 2015 7:47 am

    magnumcromagnon wrote:...............................
    They've been posted by 'ult', but I forgive you Wink because no one should be blamed for wanting to re-post rare and exotic video of the Kh/X-101...I mean for once we got to see non-makets, the Real Deal Holy Spiel...but the real question remains....why the Kh/X-101 and not some other non-stealthy cruise missiles? Probably because they want to send a message to NATO, and they (NATO) couldn't even track 3M-14's with conventional shaping, I could only imagine NATO wetting their beds over Kh/X-101's stealth shaping, and monster sized 5,500 km range.

    Message could something along the lines: "We got these babies in service and we are already testing replacement next-gen stuff"
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    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt Thu Nov 19, 2015 7:47 am

    ult wrote:Yeah. Everyone who follows this thread should just subscribe to the official Russian Ministry of Defense youtube channel - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCQGqX5Ndpm4snE0NTjyOJnA

    The press briefings usually happen either at 15:00-16:00 or 18:00-19:00 Moscow time. The video updates get posted around that time.

    ult,

    Thank you for your posts and for the selection of the videos.
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    Post  ult Thu Nov 19, 2015 7:52 am

    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:
    ult,

    Thank you for your posts and for the selection of the videos.

    No problem. Smile
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    Post  JohninMK Thu Nov 19, 2015 8:02 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    magnumcromagnon wrote:...............................
    They've been posted by 'ult', but I forgive you Wink because no one should be blamed for wanting to re-post rare and exotic video of the Kh/X-101...I mean for once we got to see non-makets, the Real Deal Holy Spiel...but the real question remains....why the Kh/X-101 and not some other non-stealthy cruise missiles? Probably because they want to send a message to NATO, and they (NATO) couldn't even track 3M-14's with conventional shaping, I could only imagine NATO wetting their beds over Kh/X-101's stealth shaping, and monster sized 5,500 km range.

    Message could something along the lines: "We got these babies in service and we are already testing replacement next-gen stuff"
    "We got so many of these babies in service and with the replacement coming off the production lines soon, we can afford to throw some of them now at minor targets in Syria at no real cost to us. Hope you enjoyed tracking them!"

    There, corrected it for you Smile
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    Post  par far Thu Nov 19, 2015 8:09 am

    Putin on terrorism: ‘To forgive them is up to God, but to send them to him is up to me’


    http://www.electronicresistance.net/2015/11/putin-on-terrorism-to-forgive-them-is-up-to-god-but-to-send-them-to-him-is-up-to-me/



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    Post  max steel Thu Nov 19, 2015 8:11 am

    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:
    max steel wrote:How exactly can Tu-160 fire towards Syria from Russian territories ? ...

    The way it could always do. It can even cover its targets in the continental US and way beyond just after takeoff from its bases in Russia.

    I have given range info in my earlier posts.


    Which thread?

    Kh-987889?
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    Post  Monarchist Thu Nov 19, 2015 8:43 am

    Assad: Putin the ‘only defender of Christian civilization’

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/nov/18/bashar-assad-vladimir-putin-the-only-defender-of-c/
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    Post  KiloGolf Thu Nov 19, 2015 9:01 am

    Concerning the Russian hit on the refinery.
    The fuel tank farm is nothing trivial to rebuild, so hitting is not a problem. But I noticed they hit distillation towers/pipe on the refinery installations. That's the expensive part...

    What is the location of this hit anyway? I suspect this refinery may be in danger of being "liberated" by other groups, way before SAA could ever reach it.
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    Post  OminousSpudd Thu Nov 19, 2015 9:21 am

    KiloGolf wrote:Concerning the Russian hit on the refinery.
    The fuel tank farm is nothing trivial to rebuild, so hitting is not a problem. But I noticed they hit distillation towers/pipe on the refinery installations. That's the expensive part...

    What is the location of this hit anyway? I suspect this refinery may be in danger of being "liberated" by other groups, way before SAA could ever reach it.

    We'll see a lot of this happening now I imagine, from both sides. US strikes will attempt to hit ISIS facilities that are close to falling into SAA hands where and when they can, while Russian jets will most likely hit targets that may fall into anti-government Western backed "rebel" (YPG?) hands. I'm assuming the Kurds will have little in the way of political clout by the end of this, and if anything a de-facto Kurdish state on the border of Turkey may just be helpful for the good guys anyway, but who knows, maybe Russia doesn't like how vulnerable to outside influence they've been in the past.

    This went on a lot during the fall of the Third Reich, even before victory was assured Allied sabotage to bridges etc. was often done with the intent of slowing the Soviets down.
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    Post  max steel Thu Nov 19, 2015 9:24 am

    Sorry but Kurds won't be getting any separate state . In Vienna talks it was made clear Syria will not be partitioned
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    Post  KiloGolf Thu Nov 19, 2015 9:55 am

    max steel wrote:Sorry but Kurds won't be getting any separate state . In Vienna talks it was made clear Syria will not be partitioned

    They will get a "KRG-esque" deal, but the issue with Syrian Kurds is that their ethnically inhabited lands, apart from Derik-Kamishli do not have oil or natural gas. But recently they seem to be heading way off these lands... in central and South Hasaka and into Arab or uninhabited areas.

    oil map.
    http://assets.bwbx.io/images/iPcS8HMuxs_o/v1/-1x-1.jpg

    This has Assad worried. Where is the line drawn?
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    Post  Monarchist Thu Nov 19, 2015 10:29 am

    What will happen to syrian army controlled bases, airports, military units in kurdish controlled areas?
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    Post  ult Thu Nov 19, 2015 11:14 am

    Another day at Hmeymim.

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    Post  JohninMK Thu Nov 19, 2015 11:15 am

    Monarchist wrote:What will happen to syrian army controlled bases, airports, military units in kurdish controlled areas?
    I would expect that Syria remained one state with normal state responsibilities. With the state there could be a semi autonomous areas, the Kurds. Logically the Syrian military/border control would be all over the country. Perhaps in the Kurd area the bulk of the military would be Kurds in the Syrian Army. It is difficult to imagine a Kurd region air force.

    Much would have to be done with at least some kind of acceptance from Turkey, given their Kurdish problem.
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    Post  Siempre_Leal Thu Nov 19, 2015 11:59 am

    KiloGolf wrote:Concerning the Russian hit on the refinery.
    The fuel tank farm is nothing trivial to rebuild, so hitting is not a problem. But I noticed they hit distillation towers/pipe on the refinery installations. That's the expensive part...

    What is the location of this hit anyway? I suspect this refinery may be in danger of being "liberated" by other groups, way before SAA could ever reach it.

    Omar Oil Field is north-east of Mayadin in Deir Ezzor
    http://wikimapia.org/32057358/Omar-GTP

    other installations that were hit are just a tat north-west of the main Omar plant
    http://wikimapia.org/27266270/Central-Processing-Facility-oil

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