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    Post  Dima Fri Nov 13, 2015 6:30 pm

    ^^^ Not just Latakia, it could be for Tartus or it might be for other bases where Russia is/might operate in the near future bordering Turkey and Israel or maybe for the SAA operating along the Isreali or Turkish borders in the future.

    Btw, how much Pantsir-S1s do you guys think is arriving per express?


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    Post  Dima Fri Nov 13, 2015 6:34 pm

    Vann7 wrote:The distance from Kuweireis captured airbase and Turkey border from the aleppo district
    is on my estimates using the map provided earlier.. is between 90km to 130km.
    The ideal defenses for such a place like kuweires base ,so far from Russia base in latakia ,should be highly mobile air defenses like Buks ,Pantsirs and tors.. that can operate in passive mode without using its own radars but receiving the radar information from farther land radars away of NATO airforce combat range. to not allow NATO to know their location. and if possible using track version of them for rough  terrain.  something like this for example..

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    But to really create a dome of air protection , having Russia best defenses like S-400s active allowing its missiles signature to be spied for future jamming is not the most ideal way.. allowing NATO to practice and train with them. That will only encourage more NATO nations to travel to Turkey to practice how to detect and jam S-400s.. Even though S-400s should be there but NOT active so NATO can start learning or understanding them..but instead only used in case a major war start. So the ideal airdefenses for not full scale war against Russia are Mobile defenses that can operate in passive
    mode ,just using the radar information shared from Russian AWACS and or land radars deployed
    in Syria deployed . This means that Radars should be active beyond combat range of enemy
    planes..that is 200km+ and in combat range of NATO planes -air to ground missiles the Mobile Pantsirs,Tors and Buks do the job. become like mobile anti air mines ,that will be ready to shutdown any NATO plane entering Syria and without the enemy knowing where the air defenses are deployed.  Timing and distance is critical to a hostile plane.. because they could retreat to Turkey border and if shutdown the plane will fall inside turkey side and NATO could use that for propganda that Russia have commited an agression on a member state. So this is why short range -mobiles air defenses like Pantsirs ,Tors is the way to go to fight any
    hostile planes.. and Buks with 50km to 70km range only if hostile planes are far from turkey border ,deep inside Syria. So that if the plane is shutdown they will be unable to claim agression if can be proved it invaded Syria and shut down inside Syria.and S-300 and s-400 only used if a major war start between NATO and Russia or Syria.

    Ideally Syrian army with Russia airforce help ,should try to campture the north of Allepo first,
    and get as close to turkey border.. like the take of ALbab city first.. taking that city will allow
    the Syrian army and Russia airforce to virtually  seal the border of Turkey supplies to ISIS through their artillery. and hellicopters but also combat jets .  Once the turkey border is sealed
    the terrorist will collapse in a month or two for food alone and lack of ammo and fuel. it will be a disaster for the whole terrorist operation and transportation and operations.

    A couple dozen of Pantisirs ,about ~20 ,mounted in GM-352 chassis like the picture above and moved as close to Turkey border as possible should be the ideal way to complicate any no fly zone attempt of NATO. you cannot jam a gatlin gun and those small missiles will not be easily
    seen by NATO airforces until is too late and hit their planes.
    Agree. But it doesn't mean they do not have the need for longer-range assets. They can install the long-range assets without making it active.

    if the tracked chasis is the ones preferred, Russia should think about provding the Tungushka's so that not just SAA, but allies too can master it during this ongoing conter-terrorists operations.
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    Post  ult Fri Nov 13, 2015 7:01 pm

    Estimates of the Russian forces in Syria.

    https://rusi.org/publication/rusi-defence-systems/detailing-russian-forces-syria

    Detailing Russian Forces in Syria
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    Post  flamming_python Fri Nov 13, 2015 9:08 pm

    George1 wrote:T-90A and Russian Airborne Troops near Latakia in Syria

    Those are Marines not VDV. Albeit the singers are VDV veterans; it's a VDV-veterans band.
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    Post  Vann7 Fri Nov 13, 2015 11:56 pm

    ult wrote:Estimates of the Russian forces in Syria.

    https://rusi.org/publication/rusi-defence-systems/detailing-russian-forces-syria

    Detailing Russian Forces in Syria
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    Igor Sutyagin,a 5th column subhuman scum and NGO pro American Imperialism rat.
    Notice his previous report about the Malasyan Mh17 plane.. falling short
    of accusing Putin of being behind it. Wish once United States collapse and all the
    Neoliberals like him no longer find any protection or shelter ,in any place in the world ,
    and Russia becomes the only super power as it will be , than that guy is shot or hanged in public
    for his cooperation with terror and Evil empire. in the same way nazis were executed after
    Nazis were defeated.  

    That is to hang in public ,like mussolini was ,all the Neoliberals NGO pigs like this.. Surprised

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    as a bonus the editors of Charlie Hebdo who are now making fun of the Russian plane crash.
    All the neoliberals crap ,who cooperated and helped with their works to defend terror and warcrimes and defend the new century totalitarian Fascism , that just like Nazis in the past.. today is represented by US with the alliance of UK and Israel.


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    Post  JohninMK Sat Nov 14, 2015 12:03 am

    Pointed out by Fortrus is this strange comment by the MoD today.


    The Russian Ministry of Defense gave its regular sitrep on Friday 13th (ooo scary). What was said was of the usual informative nature, with one thing in particular being of intrigue and interest. The MoD said:

    “After necessary training volunteers are involved in protecting inhabited areas from terrorists,guarding important objects & mainroads. Assistance by the population allows regular units to form reserve forces for future offense on terrorist-held areas”

    Now the MoD did not specify what they meant by ‘volunteers’, which leaves open the possibility of them being Syrian and/or Russian. We can all agree that the Caspian Launches were a clear message to NATO and the Pentagon, and the ‘accidental’ blueprint leak of a new nuclear submarine/torpedo combo was also a message. So the question is: Why would the MoD run the story of the ‘volunteers’? Are they Russian spec ops disguised as regular civilians? We know that there are Russian elite forces on the ground, with various news agencies even taking the time to mute footage with Russian being spoken. Most of what the MoD states is in the interest of Russia, so why would some civilians-come-cops make it onto the conference talking points? One can only speculate…


    http://fortruss.blogspot.co.uk/2015/11/russian-ministry-of-defense-volunteers.html
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    Post  Vann7 Sat Nov 14, 2015 12:12 am

    flamming_python wrote:
    George1 wrote:T-90A and Russian Airborne Troops near Latakia in Syria

    Those are Marines not VDV. Albeit the singers are VDV veterans; it's a VDV-veterans band.

    Hey flamming by the way.. Since your are Russian living in Russia right?

    Whats the mood and general opinion of the non government media and Russian citizens about the Russian campaign in Syria?
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    Post  flamming_python Sat Nov 14, 2015 12:39 am

    Vann7 wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:
    George1 wrote:T-90A and Russian Airborne Troops near Latakia in Syria

    Those are Marines not VDV. Albeit the singers are VDV veterans; it's a VDV-veterans band.

    Hey flamming by the way..  Since your are Russian living in Russia right?

    Whats the mood and general opinion of the non government media and Russian citizens about the Russian campaign in Syria?  

    Dunno, haven't spoken to anyone at all about it.
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    Post  flamming_python Sat Nov 14, 2015 12:43 am

    JohninMK wrote:Pointed out by Fortrus is this strange comment by the MoD today.


    The Russian Ministry of Defense gave its regular sitrep on Friday 13th (ooo scary). What was said was of the usual informative nature, with one thing in particular being of intrigue and interest. The MoD said:

    “After necessary training volunteers are involved in protecting inhabited areas from terrorists,guarding important objects & mainroads. Assistance by the population allows regular units to form reserve forces for future offense on terrorist-held areas”

    Now the MoD did not specify what they meant by ‘volunteers’, which leaves open the possibility of them being Syrian and/or Russian. We can all agree that the Caspian Launches were a clear message to NATO and the Pentagon, and the ‘accidental’ blueprint leak of a new nuclear submarine/torpedo combo was also a message. So the question is: Why would the MoD run the story of the ‘volunteers’? Are they Russian spec ops disguised as regular civilians? We know that there are Russian elite forces on the ground, with various news agencies even taking the time to mute footage with Russian being spoken. Most of what the MoD states is in the interest of Russia, so why would some civilians-come-cops make it onto the conference talking points? One can only speculate…


    http://fortruss.blogspot.co.uk/2015/11/russian-ministry-of-defense-volunteers.html

    Given the context, especially when 'assistance by the population' (ostensibly local population) is mentioned right in the next sentence, I think it's reasonable to conclude that the MoD is refering to volunteers from among local civilians - there's no need to look for a deeper message.
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    Post  franco Sat Nov 14, 2015 1:54 am

    flamming_python wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:Pointed out by Fortrus is this strange comment by the MoD today.


    The Russian Ministry of Defense gave its regular sitrep on Friday 13th (ooo scary). What was said was of the usual informative nature, with one thing in particular being of intrigue and interest. The MoD said:

    “After necessary training volunteers are involved in protecting inhabited areas from terrorists,guarding important objects & mainroads. Assistance by the population allows regular units to form reserve forces for future offense on terrorist-held areas”

    Now the MoD did not specify what they meant by ‘volunteers’, which leaves open the possibility of them being Syrian and/or Russian. We can all agree that the Caspian Launches were a clear message to NATO and the Pentagon, and the ‘accidental’ blueprint leak of a new nuclear submarine/torpedo combo was also a message. So the question is: Why would the MoD run the story of the ‘volunteers’? Are they Russian spec ops disguised as regular civilians? We know that there are Russian elite forces on the ground, with various news agencies even taking the time to mute footage with Russian being spoken. Most of what the MoD states is in the interest of Russia, so why would some civilians-come-cops make it onto the conference talking points? One can only speculate…


    http://fortruss.blogspot.co.uk/2015/11/russian-ministry-of-defense-volunteers.html

    Given the context, especially when 'assistance by the population' (ostensibly local population) is mentioned right in the next sentence, I think it's reasonable to conclude that the MoD is refering to volunteers from among local civilians - there's no need to look for a deeper message.

    It was reported this week that volunteers are joining local Self Defense militia groups to protect their communities from Islamist forces.
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    Post  Siempre_Leal Sat Nov 14, 2015 7:55 am

    The volunteers from the "Self-Defense" units in training in Rif Dimascus


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    Post  Cyberspec Sat Nov 14, 2015 8:17 am

    Fort Rus and Russia Insider lean towards sensantionalism in military related topics/articles....draws the readership I guess


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    RuAF use white phosphorous bomb to destroy ammunition storage, secondary explosions of ammunition could be seen.

    Apparently it could be special 'magnesium' rounds fired by Grad
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    Post  Cyberspec Sat Nov 14, 2015 10:09 am

    #Aleppo - Militant Activist say a "Asian Pharmaceutical Industries Plant" Destroyed by THREE #RuAF strikes
    https://twitter.com/IvanSidorenko1/status/665385876294266880

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    Post  GarryB Sat Nov 14, 2015 10:42 am

    If the target is an ammunition dump then it just makes sense to hit it with munitions that start fires... fires reach things explosives may not.

    An explosive the size of a hand grenade will do damage to the whole room but an equal weight of petrol can burn down an entire city...
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    Post  Stealthflanker Sat Nov 14, 2015 10:55 am

    Cyberspec wrote:
    Apparently it could be special 'magnesium' rounds fired by Grad

    Seems so. Russian incendiary bombs does contain WP but..it has contact fuze. Not bursting on air.
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    Post  ult Sat Nov 14, 2015 11:41 am

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    Post  Bidoul Sat Nov 14, 2015 12:45 pm

    Cyberspec wrote:Fort Rus and Russia Insider lean towards sensantionalism in military related topics/articles....draws the readership I guess


    medo wrote:

    RuAF use white phosphorous bomb to destroy ammunition storage, secondary explosions of ammunition could be seen.

    Apparently it could be special 'magnesium' rounds fired by Grad

    IIRC there is something some cluster thermite agents for anti-vehicles/ammo-dump/artillery positions in Russian inventory, not sure if it exists by air but it does in rocket artillery.

    It's not incendiary or white phosphorus (not sure if WARPACT ever used WP in anything, soviet incendiary designs was/are magnesium-based instead), it's meant to chew through metal, not be anti-personal, any fire set is a by-product more than the initial intent.

    Obviously a rain of stuff several time hotter than molten lava ain't good for any infantry under it, but it's meant to be used against a concentration of light armored vehicles/structures.
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    Post  Solncepek Sat Nov 14, 2015 1:47 pm

    Infographic that provides some details about the S-400:

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    Post  Stealthflanker Sat Nov 14, 2015 3:21 pm

    Bidoul wrote:
    IIRC there is something some cluster thermite agents for anti-vehicles/ammo-dump/artillery positions in Russian inventory, not sure if it exists by air but it does in rocket artillery.

    It's not incendiary or white phosphorus (not sure if WARPACT ever used WP in anything, soviet incendiary designs was/are magnesium-based instead), it's meant to chew through metal, not be anti-personal, any fire set is a by-product more than the initial intent.

    Obviously a rain of stuff several time hotter than molten lava ain't good for any infantry under it, but it's meant to be used against a concentration of light armored vehicles/structures.

    Yes. the RBK-250 containing ZAB 2.5 incendiary munitions.

    and yes it's thermite based.
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    Post  franco Sat Nov 14, 2015 4:26 pm

    According to the data, which has led recently deputy director of the FSB of Russia Eugene Sysoev, who heads the unit of the National Anti-Terrorist Committee, the number of insurgents, "Islamic state" in mid-2015 was about 80 thousand people, including 50 thousand - in Syria and 30 thousand - in Iraq . Among them - about 30 thousand foreigners.
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    Post  JohninMK Sat Nov 14, 2015 10:16 pm

    It has been commented that sometimes Fortrus is a bit, how shall we say, 'enthusiastic. Take this statement today, read carefully what was said by Sergey Ivanov, who's words matter:

    "At the initiative of the United States of America and the Russian Federation, a study has been conducted on the sources of ISIS’ financing . It would be nice if such a study was not the final point of collaboration, but was, on the contrary, the impetus for further and practical actions to identify particular States, individuals and legal entities engaged in the financing of ISIL.”

    Decide what it means and then read how they interpret it at http://fortruss.blogspot.co.uk/2015/11/putin-to-pursue-sponsors-of-terrorism.html
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    Post  franco Sat Nov 14, 2015 11:11 pm

    JohninMK wrote:It has been commented that sometimes Fortrus is a bit, how shall we say, 'enthusiastic. Take this statement today, read carefully what was said by Sergey Ivanov, who's words matter:

       "At the initiative of the United States of America and the Russian Federation, a study has been conducted on the sources of ISIS’ financing . It would be nice if such a study was not the final point of collaboration, but was, on the contrary, the impetus for further and practical actions to identify particular States, individuals and legal entities engaged in the financing of ISIL.”

    Decide what it means and then read how they interpret it at http://fortruss.blogspot.co.uk/2015/11/putin-to-pursue-sponsors-of-terrorism.html

    Did you happen to see the press conference today with Kerry And Larov after the Vienna meeting. Kerry tried to say that Assad was the one buying oil from ISIS. Larov interjected after, that both of them knew how the oil flowing. Kerry backed down and then said that yes they did and it was to surprising and disappointing ends.
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    Post  Cyberspec Sat Nov 14, 2015 11:47 pm

    JohninMK wrote:It has been commented that sometimes Fortrus is a bit, how shall we say, 'enthusiastic.

    I agree

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    Su-24 of the #RuAF bombing militant positions south of #Aleppo as #SAA & #Hezbollah make huge gains in the area.

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    ISIS release photos after #Russian air force (#RuAF) launched airstrikes on the city of #Raqqa

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    More pics in links
    https://twitter.com/IraqiSuryani1/status/665631231384690688

    https://twitter.com/IraqiSuryani1/status/665630855298220032
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    Post  Cyberspec Sun Nov 15, 2015 1:44 am

    The RuAF reportedly bombing Jihadi positions in Northern countryside of Aleppo

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    Post  Vann7 Sun Nov 15, 2015 2:10 am

    What a big propaganda american media now have for the France attacks..
    not only US buildings showing the france flag but also the media and youtube too . Neutral

    It is as if never before any civilian have been attacked by terrorism. Syria have been for 5 years
    under terrorist attacks and not a single tear from American media. instead blamed it on Assad
    "bombing its own people" . Kiev bombing eastern ukraine killed thousands and not a single tear by the west. Latakia was shelled just last week with many dozens killed and hundreds wounded and no one cared. not even reported. Russia plane crashed very likely for terrorism just last week with more people killed than in france and the only major attention/sympathy Russia got was a french cartoon news paper mocking the Russian civilians killed and with France government saying they respect "freedom of expression".  Neutral

    Check youtube page with a big French flag.. Rolling Eyes
    It seems that only lives that matters for the west are American and European
    and anyone else is just something there. And not even reported.

    in more news.. Assad in Syria is a real intelligent man and very accurate in
    his observations of what happens in the middle east and the contradictions
    of Europe and the west and their fight against terrorism. Here is the last interview.

    http://fortruss.blogspot.ca/2015/11/assad-russia-is-only-defender-of.html

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    Assad: Russia is the only defender of Christianity that one can count on



    Yves de Kerdrel : How do you react to the terrorist attacks that have struck France tonight?
    Bachar el-Assad: What has happened is terrible. France will not be able to fight against terrorism as long as it is allied with Qatar, or with Saudi Arabia.
    Yves de Kerdrel : The question of your departure, demanded by certain ones, is it still relevant?
    Bachar el-Assad: The question of my departure is not posed except in international conferences. The question of my departure depends uniquely on the will of the people and parliament of Syria. Those who want to destroy Syria want most of all to destroy the last secular state in the region. Secular is our identity. It is essential for the Near East.
    Yves de Kerdrel : Turkey plays a troubled role in the war which you are conducting against terrorism.
    Bachar el-Assad: It's mostly the West that is blind to what's going on in Turkey. The Turks support Al-Nusra and Daesh, and they are sending you migrants by the million. You might rather ask after Erdogan's ulterior motives. When I look at the state of the world I understand that Vladimir Putin is the only defender of Christian civilization one can count on.


    http://fortruss.blogspot.ca/2015/11/assad-russia-is-only-defender-of.html

    How true he is ,i wish all those last words resonated in all media in the world.
    is shameful how Latin America look to the sides and do NOTHING!!! to help Syria and pressure
    the nations sponsoring terror US,Turkey ,Saudi Arabia and Israel to stop.LAtin america have next to no influence with middle east but they at very least can raise the awareness in the world in the christian world that is the world largest religion about what is really happening there in the middle east. What US ,UK and France where doing and what Turkey Saudi Arabia and Israel too. Raising awareness on society of the major genocide of millions including hundred of thousands christians that are being killed by US and its allies in the middle east.
    So many things they could do through politics ,and through sounding the alarm of the illegal war against Syria but they do NOTHING.  Colombia is sending mercenaries to help Saudis crush houthis in Yemen. and aparently the brazilian president is throwing dirt at Russia for "interfering in Syria". A united Condemnation on the nations supporting terrorism with sanctions even if done for symbolic reasons, could help raise awareness of what is really going. Advertising and on and on. Pressure pressure and more pressure this is what American Government needs until they give up. Pressure works but not if people do nothing and just sit and wait for others to solve the world problems and injustices.


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