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    Post  sepheronx Tue Nov 03, 2015 9:32 pm

    zorobabel wrote:
    Monarchist wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:Looks like Moscow has outmanoeuvred Washington again. Still no news of the similar list asked for by Moscow.

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    Or maybe not

    MOSCOW, November 3. /TASS/. Russia’s, the United States’ and Saudi Arabia’s lists of Syrian opposition representatives who could be invited for talks with Damascus partially coincide, Russian Foreign Ministry Spokeswoman Maria Zakharova said on Tuesday.

    "We have prepared our vision," she told the Ekho Moskvy radio station. "It is not based on political speculation or political preferences. We have been working with these organizations, both in Moscow and in European capitals and in the Middle East, for four years."

    "The lists partially coincide," she said, adding that the United States and Saudi Arabia had added some other organizations to their lists.

    At a meeting of Russia, US, Saudi and Turkish foreign ministers in Vienna on October 29, the Russian side handed over to the partners a list of 38 representatives of Syrian opposition who could be invited for talks with the current Syrian authorities.


    More at http://tass.ru/en/politics/833834
    What seriously pisses me off is when she said that for Russia it doesn't matter if Assad stays or go.
    What kind of an "ally" is that? Mad
    Isn't it pretty obvious what is happening? The Kremlin had to try, but even with heavy airstrikes, close-air support, the support of thousands of Shia militiamen and Iranians, progress has been slow. In fact, very little progress has been made outside the South Aleppo front over the last month.

    Progress has been made.  But let us be realistic here.  Russia has to show the world that it isn't trying to keep Assad in but instead deal with these terrorists.  If and once the vote is in place where Assad stays, then guaranteed Russia will start striking everyone else that isn't on the side of Assad, as the voting will be the evidence needed to the world of Assad's popular support in the country.  An opposition can exist, as per Russia, so long as it is done the real democratic way - not taking up arms.
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    Post  JohninMK Tue Nov 03, 2015 9:38 pm

    zorobabel wrote:
    Isn't it pretty obvious what is happening? The Kremlin had to try, but even with heavy airstrikes, close-air support, the support of thousands of Shia militiamen and Iranians, progress has been slow. In fact, very little progress has been made outside the South Aleppo front over the last month.
    Not sure if you have read all this thread. Maybe you do not understand exactly what the RuAF have been doing this past month.

    In particular, CAS does not appear to have been a priority from the evidence we have of their activities sop the current state of affairs is to be expected given the dug in and urban nature of the war. The impact of the RuAF will be felt over the next few weeks as the 'activists' run out of food, ammo, weapons, replacements, medical supplies, trucks etc etc. Plus their command, control and communications that would help those aspects has been seriously degraded. Oh and winter is on the way too.
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    Post  franco Tue Nov 03, 2015 9:42 pm

    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    zorobabel wrote:
    Monarchist wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:Looks like Moscow has outmanoeuvred Washington again. Still no news of the similar list asked for by Moscow.

    EDIT

    Or maybe not

    MOSCOW, November 3. /TASS/. Russia’s, the United States’ and Saudi Arabia’s lists of Syrian opposition representatives who could be invited for talks with Damascus partially coincide, Russian Foreign Ministry Spokeswoman Maria Zakharova said on Tuesday.

    "We have prepared our vision," she told the Ekho Moskvy radio station. "It is not based on political speculation or political preferences. We have been working with these organizations, both in Moscow and in European capitals and in the Middle East, for four years."

    "The lists partially coincide," she said, adding that the United States and Saudi Arabia had added some other organizations to their lists.

    At a meeting of Russia, US, Saudi and Turkish foreign ministers in Vienna on October 29, the Russian side handed over to the partners a list of 38 representatives of Syrian opposition who could be invited for talks with the current Syrian authorities.


    More at http://tass.ru/en/politics/833834
    What seriously pisses me off is when she said that for Russia it doesn't matter if Assad stays or go.
    What kind of an "ally" is that? Mad
    Isn't it pretty obvious what is happening? The Kremlin had to try, but even with heavy airstrikes, close-air support, the support of thousands of Shia militiamen and Iranians, progress has been slow. In fact, very little progress has been made outside the South Aleppo front over the last month.

    Nothing to do with "progress", no one was expecting the SAA/NDF to become DNR or Northern Wind. They've done considerable damage and normally in december they will pick up a direction and bomb it hard. My bet is on the Idlib front.

    They have only been fighting and slowly losing ground for 4 years while under an arms embargo... please!!!!!!! It takes time to rebuild, equip and train an army.
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    Post  Zivo Tue Nov 03, 2015 10:08 pm

    JohninMK wrote:
    zorobabel wrote:
    Isn't it pretty obvious what is happening? The Kremlin had to try, but even with heavy airstrikes, close-air support, the support of thousands of Shia militiamen and Iranians, progress has been slow. In fact, very little progress has been made outside the South Aleppo front over the last month.
    Not sure if you have read all this thread. Maybe you do not understand exactly what the RuAF have been doing this past month.

    In particular, CAS does not appear to have been a priority from the evidence we have of their activities sop the current state of affairs is to be expected given the dug in and urban nature of the war. The impact of the RuAF will be felt over the next few weeks as the 'activists' run out of food, ammo, weapons, replacements, medical supplies, trucks etc etc. Plus their command, control and communications that would help those aspects has been seriously degraded. Oh and winter is on the way too.

    Pretty much this.

    We're still in the first act. With the exception of a few areas, the SAA has been probing while the RuAF watches the reactions. It's baiting to get al nusra and ISIS to stick their necks out.
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    Post  Guest Tue Nov 03, 2015 11:05 pm



    "Journalists Grill US State Dept over claims Russia airstrike hit a hospital in Syria"

    Must see, literally.
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    Post  PapaDragon Tue Nov 03, 2015 11:46 pm

    JohninMK wrote:
    zorobabel wrote:
    Isn't it pretty obvious what is happening? The Kremlin had to try, but even with heavy airstrikes, close-air support, the support of thousands of Shia militiamen and Iranians, progress has been slow. In fact, very little progress has been made outside the South Aleppo front over the last month.
    Not sure if you have read all this thread. Maybe you do not understand exactly what the RuAF have been doing this past month.

    In particular, CAS does not appear to have been a priority from the evidence we have of their activities sop the current state of affairs is to be expected given the dug in and urban nature of the war. The impact of the RuAF will be felt over the next few weeks as the 'activists' run out of food, ammo, weapons, replacements, medical supplies, trucks etc etc. Plus their command, control and communications that would help those aspects has been seriously degraded. Oh and winter is on the way too.

    I am not too familiar with local climate, is winter that much of a problem in Syria?
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    Post  Stealthflanker Wed Nov 04, 2015 12:40 am

    Say hello to KAB-1500LG.

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    Post  Bidoul Wed Nov 04, 2015 12:41 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    I am not too familiar with local climate, is winter that much of a problem in Syria?

    While winter is not harsh per our European standards (let alone Russian), it can have prolonged periods below 0°C and snowing isn't rare in most of the country (wet snow).
    One of the zone of conflict, the mountain area between Israel Lebanon and Syria is cold enough to have winter sports installation...

    But it's mostly a fairly heavy rain season.

    As one can imagine, rain in that dusty weak soil lead to transforming vast swat of the country in a mud bath, which is never good for mechanized operations.
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    Post  Siempre_Leal Wed Nov 04, 2015 1:32 am

    Militarov wrote:

    "Journalists Grill US State Dept over claims Russia airstrike hit a hospital in Syria"

    Must see, literally.

    hA, How many Spokesman/woman are their in the State Dept? I'm losing track.
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    Post  Guest Wed Nov 04, 2015 3:20 am

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    One more shot with flammable goodies.
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    Post  Guest Wed Nov 04, 2015 3:21 am

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    Hmm... interesting if true Smile
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    Post  Siempre_Leal Wed Nov 04, 2015 3:26 am

    Militarov wrote:Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #4 - Page 11 CS7BYiFXAAAnLkw

    Hmm... interesting if true Smile

    awesome, we'll see what happens.
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    Post  ultron Wed Nov 04, 2015 3:51 am

    Arena! Arena! Arena! cheers Say bye bye TOW.
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    Post  NationalRus Wed Nov 04, 2015 9:03 am

    we shall see indeed, Arena or Shotra are not easy or not cheap to put um and maintain and then to re-change if needed, maybe MOD wants a test by combat trial in Syria thats why they might do it on limited Tank numbers, you are crazy if you think every tank gets a system if even that.

    the effective cheap solution would be ERA Kontakt-5 or Relikt with a tank cage around it, in combination this 2 things combined would make nearly every Tank survive, also would be easy to set up and maintain for the syrians themselfs lol1
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    Post  KoTeMoRe Wed Nov 04, 2015 9:12 am

    NationalRus wrote:we shall see indeed, Arena or Shotra are not easy or not cheap to put um and maintain and then to re-change if needed, maybe MOD wants a test by combat trial in Syria thats why they might do it on limited Tank numbers, you are crazy if you think every tank gets a system if even that.

    the effective cheap solution would be ERA Kontakt-5 or Relikt with a tank cage around it, in combination this 2 things combined would make nearly every Tank survive, also would be easy to set up and maintain for the syrians themselfs lol1
    I don't think it's Arena. I think thy simply got radar on board coupled with smoke dis chargers. Which should be enough againt thèse Tow teams as they don't seem to have the thermal sights.
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    Post  PapaDragon Wed Nov 04, 2015 12:43 pm


    russia

    Livestream from Latakia:

    http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20151104/1029576636/hmeymim-airbais-russia-jets-sorties.html



    https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=l6GWaDtxucM
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    Post  par far Wed Nov 04, 2015 1:05 pm

    Don't care where they are, just go for it and kill them all.

    https://www.rt.com/news/320704-us-syria-ground-training-rebels/


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    Post  George1 Wed Nov 04, 2015 3:27 pm

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    Post  Guest Wed Nov 04, 2015 4:29 pm

    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    NationalRus wrote:we shall see indeed, Arena or Shotra are not easy or not cheap to put um and maintain and then to re-change if needed, maybe MOD wants a test by combat trial in Syria thats why they might do it on limited Tank numbers, you are crazy if you think every tank gets a system if even that.

    the effective cheap solution would be ERA Kontakt-5 or Relikt with a tank cage around it, in combination this 2 things combined would make nearly every Tank survive, also would be easy to set up and maintain for the syrians themselfs lol1
    I don't think it's Arena. I think thy simply got radar on board coupled with smoke dis chargers. Which should be enough againt thèse Tow teams as they don't seem to have the thermal sights.

    I dont think its Arena either, that would require some serious moneyz. Even worse that would require them to start its serial production first time ever... that does not happen over night even if product is simple water tap.
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    Post  zg18 Wed Nov 04, 2015 4:38 pm



    Russian Mi-24s in action over Palmyra
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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg Wed Nov 04, 2015 4:59 pm

    Tiger forces should get BTR-Ts with Shtora and Arena and should be sent to the hottest spots in the country as they are now.

    The most cost-effective protection would be Kontakt-5 + cage armor, giving them Relikt is not necessary. T-72s with Kontakt-5 survived direct hits by late 1980s APFSDS rounds as did Ukrainian T-64s equipped with Nozh ERA.
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    Post  Guest Wed Nov 04, 2015 5:31 pm

    Militarov wrote:
    ult wrote:
    medo wrote:
    Su-24 have 7 red star marks. What are they marking with them? Number of combat missions or targets destroyed?

    I thought it was 1 star for 10 combat missions, but now I'm not so sure.

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    When operations started i posted source with SU34 pic (had 1 star) that claimed stars are given for 10 missions that include actual strikes/destruction of target. I got downvoted and slapped coz "Russian fighters only get stars for air victories".

    But it could been also for major targets destroyed too.

    Downvote all you want, i feed on fact how miserable you are.
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    Post  Guest Wed Nov 04, 2015 5:38 pm

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    "They did not destroy hospital, but...they are still guilty".. i love this logic.
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    Post  Stealthflanker Wed Nov 04, 2015 7:10 pm

    Militarov wrote:Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #4 - Page 11 CS-d5xoVEAIz_xM

    "They did not destroy hospital, but...they are still guilty".. i love this logic.

    and this bears another question...

    How it can be damaged in the first place ?

    Did Russian fighters do a gun strafe ?
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    Post  PapaDragon Wed Nov 04, 2015 7:40 pm

    An-30B scout plane in Latakia

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    http://mikael655.livejournal.com/27482.html

    My guess is that VKS wants to get all possible mileage from old planes to free up space for new aircraft. Same with bombs.

    Funny how all "experts" and "bloggers" out there seem to be unable to make this assumption and keep wandering about "Russia old planes hurr durr"...

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