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    Post  par far on Tue Oct 20, 2015 4:32 am

    The SAA and it's allies need to take advantage of the Russian Air Force strikes and start making good offensive's and hurry the fuck up. They are taking a lot of time to capture and recapture territory(but it is understandable becaus the SAA and it's allies are up against US, Israel, Turkey, Kurds and other Arab cocksuckers). I think in very near future Russia will up the strikes they do and hopefully that helps. There were reports that Russia was going to send the advanced Yak 130 light fighter to Syria, has anyone heard or read about that?
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    Post  KoTeMoRe on Tue Oct 20, 2015 4:56 am

    par far wrote:The SAA and it's allies need to take advantage of the Russian Air Force strikes and start making good offensive's and hurry the fuck up. They are taking a lot of time to capture and recapture territory(but it is understandable becaus the SAA and it's allies are up against US, Israel, Turkey, Kurds and other Arab cocksuckers). I think in very near future Russia will up the strikes they do and hopefully that helps. There were reports that Russia was going to send the advanced Yak 130 light fighter to Syria, has anyone heard or read about that?

    That's the worst idea. They do not need to hurry, they need to have that Russian edge goiong deep underskin. France deployment in Mali missed the Bulk of the Jihadis who simply vanished. Syrians need to stay disciplined and learn a thing or two. Given the Iraqis are making progress as well, this is going to be a long but decisive battle for Syria. Not militarily, but politically. If after 6 months the Formerly Seen Alive guys and their buttpirate friends are weakened to the point KSA and Turkey need to bail them out, maybe the Turks will not go that far and call it a game for now. I have zero doubts that the most difficult asshole to slot will be the Saudi camp. Those cunts need proper education, and maybe it can be administred through a Yemeni advanced class.
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    Post  sepheronx on Tue Oct 20, 2015 5:01 am

    Kyo wrote:The positive side of the Kalibrs falling in Iran and killing those unfortunate cows is that at least Iranian peasants passing by should have enjoyed a gorgeous barbecue smell for quite a while, making them salivate as hungry wolves on a snowy steppe.

    Once again, re-read the thread in the last page. No missile fell.
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    Post  ultron on Tue Oct 20, 2015 5:02 am

    There are tens of thousands of command centers, arms and ammo depots, fortified firing positions, underground bunkers, workshops in the Idlib, Aleppo, Latakia, Hama, Homs areas that need to be taken out. We are already seeing some progress on the ground. By next year, once the dominoes start to fall, the balls will start rolling.
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    Post  sepheronx on Tue Oct 20, 2015 5:03 am

    ultron wrote:There are tens of thousands of command centers, arms and ammo depots, fortified firing positions, underground bunkers, workshops in the Idlib, Aleppo, Latakia, Hama, Homs areas that need to be taken out. We are already seeing some progress on the ground. By next year, once the dominoes start to fall, the balls will start rolling.

    You have data and evidence for these claims?
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    Post  ultron on Tue Oct 20, 2015 5:05 am

    sepheronx wrote:
    ultron wrote:There are tens of thousands of command centers, arms and ammo depots, fortified firing positions, underground bunkers, workshops in the Idlib, Aleppo, Latakia, Hama, Homs areas that need to be taken out. We are already seeing some progress on the ground. By next year, once the dominoes start to fall, the balls will start rolling.

    You have data and evidence for these claims?

    These infrastructures have been accumulating for about 3 years. 1% taken out, 99% to go. By the end of next year SAA should be able to capture their first town.

    Had Russia not stepped in to destroy these tens of thousands of terrorist infrastructure, eventually Latakia and Tartus would have fallen, possibly by as early as next year. Terrorists were already knocking on Latakia city's door and tens of thousands of TOWs were on the way from Saudi Arabia.
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    Post  sepheronx on Tue Oct 20, 2015 5:09 am

    ultron wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:
    ultron wrote:There are tens of thousands of command centers, arms and ammo depots, fortified firing positions, underground bunkers, workshops in the Idlib, Aleppo, Latakia, Hama, Homs areas that need to be taken out. We are already seeing some progress on the ground. By next year, once the dominoes start to fall, the balls will start rolling.

    You have data and evidence for these claims?

    These infrastructures have been accumulating for about 3 years. 1% taken out, 99% to go. By the end of next year SAA should be able to capture their first town.

    Had Russia not stepped in to destroy these tens of thousands of terrorist infrastructure, eventually Latakia and Tartus would have fallen, possibly by as early as next year. Terrorists were already knocking on Latakia city's door and tens of thousands of TOWs were on the way from Saudi Arabia.

    That isn't an answer to my question. Don't divert it. I want sources.
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    Post  ultron on Tue Oct 20, 2015 5:14 am

    sepheronx wrote:
    ultron wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:
    ultron wrote:There are tens of thousands of command centers, arms and ammo depots, fortified firing positions, underground bunkers, workshops in the Idlib, Aleppo, Latakia, Hama, Homs areas that need to be taken out. We are already seeing some progress on the ground. By next year, once the dominoes start to fall, the balls will start rolling.

    You have data and evidence for these claims?

    These infrastructures have been accumulating for about 3 years. 1% taken out, 99% to go. By the end of next year SAA should be able to capture their first town.

    Had Russia not stepped in to destroy these tens of thousands of terrorist infrastructure, eventually Latakia and Tartus would have fallen, possibly by as early as next year. Terrorists were already knocking on Latakia city's door and tens of thousands of TOWs were on the way from Saudi Arabia.

    That isn't an answer to my question.  Don't divert it.  I want sources.

    50 taken out a day. After a year, nearly 20,000 taken out. By the end of next year SAA should be able to capture a town like Salma or Kafr Nabodah.
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    Post  Vann7 on Tue Oct 20, 2015 5:44 am

    ultron wrote:

    50 taken out a day. After a year, nearly 20,000 taken out. By the end of next year SAA should be able to capture a town like Salma or Kafr Nabodah.

    Fighting in Syria is similar to a terrorist hostage scene.. where civilians are used as human
    shield. .The slow pace advance is consequence of the terrorist..

    1)Using thousands civilians as human shields.. So Russia airforce cannot indiscriminately bomb
    cities..

    2)The terrorist having a force of 75,000 fighters according to Russia FSB ,and many of them
    very fanatic and fight to the last man.

    3)US and its allies supplying lethal weapons and logistic to them.. telling them what to do ,and giving them fresh supply of munition and weapons and food. They even have US airforce dropping cargo and munitions by air to keep them fighting.

    4)US radars telling the terrorist when the Russia airforce moving towards their town..
    so they can hide in tunnels and bunkers underground.

    5)Cost $$ the price of such conflict can bankrupt Russia economy if they not careful .

    Had Russia did not cared about civilians ,they will just drop a dozen of small nukes in Syria and the terrorist will be wiped without Russia firing a shot in just one day and Russia save a lot of money.. But there are rules that Russia needs to follow if they don't want the west to have an excuse for more economic sanctions on Russia.

    Still all things said.. there is major progress in all fronts.. Syrian Army is for the first time
    in the offensive in all fronts and i really think we will see alepo and hama liberated before end of
    year. The very fact that Americans are in rage ,crying for Russia bombing their so called moderates , shows Russia actions are extremely effective ,contrary to what you believe.
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    Post  par far on Tue Oct 20, 2015 5:44 am

    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    par far wrote:The SAA and it's allies need to take advantage of the Russian Air Force strikes and start making good offensive's and hurry the fuck up. They are taking a lot of time to capture and recapture territory(but it is understandable becaus the SAA and it's allies are up against US, Israel, Turkey, Kurds and other Arab cocksuckers). I think in very near future Russia will up the strikes they do and hopefully that helps. There were reports that Russia was going to send the advanced Yak 130 light fighter to Syria, has anyone heard or read about that?

    That's the worst idea. They do not need to hurry, they need to have that Russian edge goiong deep underskin. France deployment in Mali missed the Bulk of the Jihadis who simply vanished. Syrians need to stay disciplined and learn a thing or two. Given the Iraqis are making progress as well, this is going to be a long but decisive battle for Syria. Not militarily, but politically. If after 6 months the Formerly Seen Alive guys and their buttpirate friends are weakened to the point KSA and Turkey need to bail them out, maybe the Turks will not go that far and call it a game for now. I have zero doubts that the most difficult asshole to slot will be the Saudi camp. Those cunts need proper education, and maybe it can be administred through a Yemeni advanced class.


    The reason I was saying that the SAA and it' allies need to hurry up and capture more territory is because US and goddamed allies in the Mideast have other plans. They are going to push the Kurds and whatever they grab and throw it at Assad and the SAA.
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    Post  GarryB on Tue Oct 20, 2015 9:46 am

    First of all I certainly don't believe any of the 26 cruise missiles fired landed in Iran... the only sources making such claims are the Americans and WTF would they know? and more importantly why would I trust them now?

    Second banning cruise missiles because they might hit an unintended target..... hahahahahaahahahahahahaa... from a country that refuses to ban land mines and drops bombs at the drop of a hat and uses UCAVs which are no different from cruise missiles at all... I think the term GFY is appropriate... for those who need an explanation... G = go, and Y = Yourself... I am sure you can work out F.

    regarding the speed... as long as it takes.

    The Russian contingent in this case will be flying at altitude pretty safe from anything the enemy can fire at them... it is the Syrians and Iranians and Iraqis taking the real risks... I think the Russians should support them as long as they are wanted.

    As far as the Kurds go, that should be something to get Turkey on board with Assad really because I can see the Americans demanding a coalition of locals against Assad and that would include lots of nutter groups and the Kurds.

    I don't think the Iranians want to hand over land to the Kurds and I don't think Assad wants to hand over land to the Kurds... I am sure Iraq and Turkey feel the same way... there should be some room for negotiating a coalition to fight ISIS... that actually wants to defeat them.
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    Post  Kyo on Tue Oct 20, 2015 10:20 am

    sepheronx wrote:
    Kyo wrote:The positive side of the Kalibrs falling in Iran and killing those unfortunate cows is that at least Iranian peasants passing by should have enjoyed a gorgeous barbecue smell for quite a while, making them salivate as hungry wolves on a snowy steppe.

    Once again, re-read the thread in the last page.  No missile fell.
    Just intending to add a speck of humour to this whole BS story of Kalibrs falling in Iran and killing a bunch of cows. The Pentagon is utterly jumping head-on into the abyss of total ludicrousness. No sense of respect at all. Shoigu has Carter by the balls.


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    Post  Werewolf on Tue Oct 20, 2015 12:23 pm

    I say it and i will say it more often. Whenever some nation comes forth and makes statements without providing evidence, those nations should be sanctioned for fear and hate mongering.
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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg on Tue Oct 20, 2015 1:33 pm

    Need help

    Can BTR-Ts still be produced? Since SAA has literally thousands of T-55s in storage , it's a good idea to convert some of them to BTR-Ts at best with Shtora-M, Arena-E and Relikt or at least Kontakt-5... They would be first given to crack troops of the SAA like the Tiger Forces and the Republican Guard and would form elite breaching troops. A battalion equipped in these things would be virtually unstoppable and a one vehicle could not be destroyed except by the strongest ATGM barrages.

    Heavy infantry beats light infantry in direct engagement - a rule known since antiquity.
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    Post  Guest on Tue Oct 20, 2015 1:42 pm

    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:Need help

    Can BTR-Ts still be produced? Since SAA has literally thousands of T-55s in storage , it's a good idea to convert some of them to BTR-Ts at best with Shtora-M, Arena-E and Relikt or at least Kontakt-5... They would be first given to crack troops of the SAA like the Tiger Forces and the Republican Guard and would form elite breaching troops. A battalion equipped in these things would be virtually unstoppable and a one vehicle could not be destroyed except by the strongest ATGM barrages.

    Heavy infantry beats light infantry in direct engagement - a rule known since antiquity.

    No reason not to, its child of Omsktransmash, even if some components were of Ukrainian origin its not something that cant be replaced easily. However equiping them with Shtora, Arena, Relikt would make them more expencive than second hand tanks, not sure who can afford to pay for that in this situation and i dont think they would have that huge impact on frontlines, some i suppose.
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    Post  Werewolf on Tue Oct 20, 2015 2:07 pm

    BTRT's are easily made and very fast, however it is not possible to equip them with Shtora and Arena, due the immense costs and Syria nor Russia are willing to give out such weapons with enormous costs while there are other options.
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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg on Tue Oct 20, 2015 2:13 pm

    Kontakt-5 would be enough. SAA does not have a versatile vehicle for breakthrough operations and urban combat (the best they have is T-72A with Kontakt-1) Since T-55s are cheaps and there is plenty of them around, there is no reason they should not be converted into BTR-Ts.

    I have seen quite a few cases of obsolete Kontakt-1 saving even old T-55s hit in the side (not from TOW though) and saving the crew from certain death.
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    Post  Werewolf on Tue Oct 20, 2015 2:21 pm

    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:Kontakt-5 would be enough. SAA does not have a versatile vehicle for breakthrough operations and urban combat (the best they have is T-72A with Kontakt-1) Since T-55s are cheaps and there is plenty of them around, there is no reason they should not be converted into BTR-Ts.

    I have seen quite a few cases of obsolete Kontakt-1 saving even old T-55s hit in the side (not from TOW though) and saving the crew from certain death.

    That is up to them if they see BTRT's more suitable or not.
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    Post  ultron on Tue Oct 20, 2015 2:25 pm

    Russia should supply Arena active protection to SAA.
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    Post  Werewolf on Tue Oct 20, 2015 2:27 pm

    ultron wrote:Russia should supply Arena active protection to SAA.

    I know it sounds like an utopia but who pays for that? Arena is not really cheap, more worth then T-55 actually.
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    Post  Guest on Tue Oct 20, 2015 2:36 pm

    ultron wrote:Russia should supply Arena active protection to SAA.

    Export variant of Arena was said to cost around 300.000USD, second hand fully functioning T55 is not more than 10-20.000USD on market, Serbia for an example sold certain amount of T55s 130euros per TON which means what one was about 4.700euros/5300USD, they were not in great shape but nothing that cant be repaired.

    I hope you are following me here on this one.
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    Post  max steel on Tue Oct 20, 2015 2:53 pm

    Syrian rebels say they receive more weapons for Aleppo battle



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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg on Tue Oct 20, 2015 3:02 pm

    That's why I'm saying better weapons for SAA are NECESSARY. WE don't want to see dozens of AFVS burning on the battlefields of Syria.

    BTW - Iranians are dying like crazy recently - a Basij commander + an IRGC colonel killed in the last 24h together with a Hezbollah commander.
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    Post  ultron on Tue Oct 20, 2015 3:07 pm

    Militarov wrote:
    ultron wrote:Russia should supply Arena active protection to SAA.

    Export variant of Arena was said to cost around 300.000USD, second hand fully functioning T55 is not more than 10-20.000USD on market, Serbia for an example sold certain amount of T55s 130euros per TON which means what one was about 4.700euros/5300USD, they were not in great shape but nothing that cant be repaired.

    I hope you are following me here on this one.

    I hope you are not putting prices on people's lives. Active protection is the way forward, not putting more tankers as cannon fodder.

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