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    Post  coolieno99 on Sat Oct 17, 2015 9:05 am

    From 10:12 to 13:09 showing a series of blasts resembling tactical nuclear detonations.

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    Post  Cyberspec on Sat Oct 17, 2015 9:20 am

    coolieno99 wrote:From 10:12 to 13:09 showing a series of blasts resembling tactical nuclear detonations.

    I don't think that's Syria....might be Yemen


    #RuAF Mi-24Ps attacking Jihadist positions near #Talbisah, #Homs this morning.

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    Post  Stealthflanker on Sat Oct 17, 2015 10:28 am

    coolieno99 wrote:From 10:12 to 13:09 showing a series of blasts resembling tactical nuclear detonations.


    Yes that video is composite...and whoever make that made mistake to include old stuff and airstrike done in Yemen.
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    Post  Vann7 on Sat Oct 17, 2015 10:30 am

    Cyberspec wrote:
    coolieno99 wrote:From 10:12 to 13:09 showing a series of blasts resembling tactical nuclear detonations.

    I don't think that's Syria....might be Yemen


    #RuAF Mi-24Ps attacking Jihadist positions near #Talbisah, #Homs this morning.



    That is truly frightening.. Shocked

    Those hellicopters fighting so close to ground.. that any 30mm gun can get lucky..
    Also The biggest problem of Homs operation is the amount of civilians mixed with terrorist..
    their families that support them.. or simply civilians prisoners.. against their will.. What is also
    scary is to know the terrorist are armed with all kinds of missiles..from US and its allies..
    Really hope Russia pull a miracle there and not a single airplane or helicopter destroyed..
    or pilot lost.. Until now however they have done really amazing ..still is scary to see such videos with hellicopters flying low.. Laughing

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    Post  Guest on Sat Oct 17, 2015 10:55 am

    OminousSpudd wrote:
    magnumcromagnon wrote:Someone with clout is calling BS on the downed drone story:

    The producer of Orlan drones, St. Petersburg Technological Center, issued a statement of their own, which said that “the photos of the allegedly downed drone published on social media with reference to the Turkish General Staff look more like a poorly-staged informational provocation.”

    The company stressed that “it’s definitely not an Orlan” present in the pictures being published on social media. It qualified this, saying that “Russia doesn’t make UAVs with such gliders.”

    ‘Provocation’: Russian drone maker refutes claims Turkey downed its UAV

    WHO CARES! Not at you magnumcromagnon or anyone on the thread. But seriously, whatever it was, it was a small reconnaissance drone that looks to be completely expendable. Be it Russian, Syrian, Iranian, or Turkish-bought-from-404. Why the obsession in the media...

    As i said last night, it costs like high class SUV, 120.000USD or so, whats the fuss about it, even if it was Orlan family drone, WHO CARES. Israel is losing one tactical drone every 2 weeks, i dont see anyone making so big fuss about it in media... its normal, its made to be lost occasionally.
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    Post  Monarchist on Sat Oct 17, 2015 11:10 am

    Cyberspec wrote:Hmmm   Wink  Pretty sure this unit exists, but unclear how much info in the link is true and how much speculation and rumours

    "Slavic Corps" returns to Syria

    The private military company does not advertise publicly. She's not in reference books and registers. Among the devoted she is known as "PMC Wagner." Until recently, the main force of this formation took part in the armed conflict in the breakaway Luhansk People's Republic, now there is a relocation to Syria.

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    PMC Wagner - one of the most secret units fighting in NovoRosija. Commanders and fighters never give interviews, photograph with Ukrainian trophies do not appear in social networks, they are not mentioned in the official release of LPR and DPR. Informally referred to as "cleaners".

    Wagner and his team are credited with shooting of chief of staff of the 4th Brigade DPR Alexander Bednov (Batman), undermining the brigade commander "Ghost" Alexei Brain, disarmament brigade of special purpose "Odessa", the repression among the "Cossacks", and are known to operate in the eastern Luhansk region.

    The commander of the formation according to the Ukrainian media is said to be a Russian officer. Deputy commander of the Interior Ministry of the Russian group of forces in the North Caucasus, the former commander of the special forces unit "Vityaz" (Interior Forces) - Colonel Eugene Wagner.

    However...

    Colonel Eugene Wagner of internal troops has nothing to do with the same name PMCs. The man with the call sign "Wagner" did not serve in the Ministry of Interior, but in the Spetznas GRU of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Russia.

    Last place of service - the commander of one of the individual sections of the second separate brigade of Spetsnaz GRU, which is stationed at Pskov. He was discharged as a lieutenant colonel. He worked under contract with the Moran Security Group, guarded court in hazardous areas from pirate attacks. In September 2013, together with the "Slavonic corps' first visited Syria.

    More here (some of it confusing)

    http://www.fontanka.ru/2015/10/16/118/

    I wonder if these guys had something to do with this

    Ahrar a-Sham commanders assassinated at ‘fake’ Homs checkpoint
    http://syriadirect.org/news/ahrar-a-sham-commanders-assassinated-at-%E2%80%98fake%E2%80%99-homs-checkpoint/
    I sincerely hope they get destroyed by the jihadists, payback for Bednov, Ischenko and Mozgovoy.
    They are mercenaries and yes Strelkov have numerours times acknowledged their existence.
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    Post  Siempre_Leal on Sat Oct 17, 2015 11:13 am

    According to rebels in South-west aleppo: SAA have taken abtin & Shughaydilah village, now they're heading towards the edges of Al-Hadher from the North-east
    https://www.facebook.com/tarik.albab3/posts/870376203059408

    http://wikimapia.org/1696731/Al-Hadher
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    Post  JohninMK on Sat Oct 17, 2015 11:18 am

    Vann7 wrote:Turkey can attempt to attack a Russian plane.. using American help ,for example rail gun from Turkey could do that.. or lazer weapons.. such things cannot be jammed.. or maybe with a missile that is highly resistant to jamming.. if they had one.. nobody knows.. what is clear however is that US and its allies will use their best technology (if that is what is required) , to try to shot down a Russian plane..and later claim "it was violating their airspace".  

    AFAIK there are no field deployed rail or laser guns capable of downing planes. The main rail gun under development ATM is for the USN and who knows where anyone is on high power laser weapons. So there appearing in this conflict is I suggest rather unlikely.
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    Post  Guest on Sat Oct 17, 2015 11:31 am

    JohninMK wrote:
    Vann7 wrote:Turkey can attempt to attack a Russian plane.. using American help ,for example rail gun from Turkey could do that.. or lazer weapons.. such things cannot be jammed.. or maybe with a missile that is highly resistant to jamming.. if they had one.. nobody knows.. what is clear however is that US and its allies will use their best technology (if that is what is required) , to try to shot down a Russian plane..and later claim "it was violating their airspace".  

    AFAIK there are no field deployed rail or laser guns capable of downing planes. The main rail gun under development ATM is for the USN and who knows where anyone is on high power laser weapons. So there appearing in this conflict is I suggest rather unlikely.

    No rail gun is operational up to this date, land or naval based. Laser weapons available are more of defensive nature, to blind optronics, up to date no land based laser system that can down aircraft is fielded. USN has LaWS deployed on USS Ponce for testing aganist smaller aerial targets tho but you cant be serious about that Very Happy
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    Post  Cyberspec on Sat Oct 17, 2015 12:01 pm

    Monarchist wrote:I sincerely hope they get destroyed by the jihadists, payback for Bednov, Ischenko and Mozgovoy.
    They are mercenaries and yes Strelkov have numerours times acknowledged their existence.

    I don't think they'll be an easy target.....Apparently they had a clash with the Jihadis in 2013 and they wiped out a battalion, suffering only 6 wounded (according to the article I linked).....They were withdrawn from Syria under pressure from the Kremlin back then
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    Post  Werewolf on Sat Oct 17, 2015 12:23 pm

    Russia is also quite ahead in rail guns compared to US. They achieved speeds the US didn't in the past 10 years.
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    Post  Kyo on Sat Oct 17, 2015 12:44 pm

    Russia, US agree on all technical questions over Syria flight safety - Russian military https://www.rt.com/news/318874-russia-us-agree-syria/
    This couldn't have been reached without some sort of air superiority state of affairs on Russia's side.
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    Post  Cyberspec on Sat Oct 17, 2015 1:26 pm

    Russia, US agree on all technical questions over Syria flight safety - Russian military https://www.rt.com/news/318874-russia-us-agree-syria/
    This couldn't have been reached without some sort of air superiority state of affairs on Russia's side.

    I think they want to avoid an incident that could easily escalate into something bigger



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    Post  ultron on Sat Oct 17, 2015 1:45 pm

    Vann7 wrote:
    Cyberspec wrote:
    coolieno99 wrote:From 10:12 to 13:09 showing a series of blasts resembling tactical nuclear detonations.

    I don't think that's Syria....might be Yemen


    #RuAF Mi-24Ps attacking Jihadist positions near #Talbisah, #Homs this morning.



    That is truly frightening..  Shocked

    Those hellicopters fighting so close to ground.. that any 30mm gun can get lucky..
    Also The biggest problem of Homs operation is the amount of civilians mixed with terrorist..
    their families that support them.. or simply civilians prisoners.. against their will..  What is also
    scary is to know the terrorist are armed with all kinds of missiles..from US and its allies..
    Really hope Russia pull a miracle there and not a single airplane or helicopter destroyed..
    or pilot lost.. Until now however they have done really amazing ..still is scary to see such videos with hellicopters flying low.. Laughing    



    Why don't they use Mi-28N that can attack at night?
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    Post  JohninMK on Sat Oct 17, 2015 1:47 pm

    This is from a poster on ZH, just a claim. It sounds like complete BS to me, a kind of mini-skeet perhaps, but is there this type of munition around?

    Their CIA handlers died on day one when the Russians dropped radio signal seeking cluster munitions on them. Everyone with a radio/cell signal had a bomblet blow up about two feet from them. Cammand and control dissolved immediately and it only took awhile until clean-shaven retreat looked real attractive. Who was going to tell them not to run, some weeks old corpses?

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-10-16/humiliation-complete-isis-fighters-cut-beards-and-run-away-russia-iran-close
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    Post  Guest on Sat Oct 17, 2015 2:07 pm

    JohninMK wrote:This is from a poster on ZH, just a claim. It sounds like complete BS to me, a kind of mini-skeet perhaps, but is there this type of munition around?

    Their CIA handlers died on day one when the Russians dropped radio signal seeking cluster munitions on them. Everyone with a radio/cell signal had a bomblet blow up about two feet from them. Cammand and control dissolved immediately and it only took awhile until clean-shaven retreat looked real attractive. Who was going to tell them not to run, some weeks old corpses?

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-10-16/humiliation-complete-isis-fighters-cut-beards-and-run-away-russia-iran-close

    Never heard of such ammunition, at least not in such configuration. USAF however very often armed their Wild Weasels F4/F16 with mix of HARM anti radiation missiles and CBU100/CBU87 cluster bombs coz they are so effective aganist soft targets like radars, EW stations, generators, antennas etc.

    I personally doubt existence of such ammunition for one reason, such types of radio signals that Walkie-talkie/small squad radios have is too weak to be detected from such altitudes, and then, what if only 2 guys have radios on? What happens there? 20-30 expencive cluster bomblets end up on two spots killing two guys? Naaa, highly unlikely. Even if they were under attack by cluster ammunition, EVEN if such thing ever happed it was just casual cluster load.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Sat Oct 17, 2015 2:54 pm


    Russian Jets Destroy 11 ISIL Command Centers

    http://sputniknews.com/politics/20151017/1028670050/russian-jets-destroy-49-isil-targets.html

    The Russian Aerospace Force has conducted 36 sorties over the past 24 hours, hitting 49 ISIL targets in the Syrian provinces of Hama, Idlib, Latakia, Damascus, Aleppo, the Russian Defense Ministry said on Saturday. As a result, 11 ISIL command and operation centers have been destroyed.

    According to the Russian Defense Ministry's spokesman, on October 16 the Russian aviation launched strikes on underground hideouts, operation centers, home-made weapon production plants, firing positions, artillery, munition warehouses, ammunition and material supplies of the Islamic State jihadist group.

    A factory for explosives, 3 firing positions, 15 field camps and terrorist bases, two military equipment bases, nine munition warehouses and eight fortified regions and defense positions have been destroyed.

    "All Russian planes returned to the Hmeimim aerodrome after performing combat missions. Also, I want to emphasize that Russian drones over Syria continue to monitor the situation," Maj. Gen. Igor Konashenkov said.

    The Russian Aerospace Force has destroyed a terrorist camp where foreign instructors had trained suicide bombers in the Latakia province. The facility also housed a workshop for manufacturing improvised explosive devices.

    "Near Salma in the Latakia province Su-24M bomber hit a separate building, which housed a base for training terrorists. According to intelligence data, foreign instructors trained ISIL militants there to conduct diversionary war in areas liberated by the Syrian army, as well as [trained] suicide-bombers."

    He added that the terrorists were also taught to be legalized among civilian population and refugees.

    On the outskirts of Marj Sultan, Russian combat aircraft have hit and destroyed a command center of militants responsible for terrorist attacks in the Syria's provinces of Homs and Damascus, according to the Syrian intelligence, the Russian general said.

    All reconstructed ISIL positions are quickly detected and destroyed, Konashenkov said.

    "The new tactic of the militants to spread out munition warehouses and command centers of the group is not bringing effective results. All reconstructed objects of the ISIL terrorist infrastructure are efficiently identified and destroyed," Konashenkov said.

    The Russian jets also hit an ammunition depot in the Homs province when militants were bringing up mines and cartridges.

    "An ammunition depot of terrorists was destroyed in Talbiseh in the Homs province. After the precise strike, ammunition in the warehouse began detonating. The intelligence data confirms the destruction of three trucks stationed at the facility."

    In the Aleppo province, Su-25 hit a terrorist base near Khan Al-Asal, destroying a hide-out of militants, their tanks and armored vehicles. "According to data obtained with the help of an UAV, 2 tanks and 5 infantry combat vehicles were knocked out of action."

    The Su-24M attack aircraft also destroyed two ISIL ammunition depots and a workshop for manufacturing improvised explosive devices in the suburbs of Damascus.

    Syrian people living in the areas captured by ISIL help the Russian Aerospace Forces by providing them with intelligence data, Konashenkov said. The command of the Russian forces then checks the information prior to making a decision whether to launch a strike on the object, he stressed.

    "I would like to note that residents of the regions temporarily controlled by the militants are providing substantial assistance by telling the Syrian intelligence about the terrorists' actions. When receiving such information the Russian aviation's command re-checks it by using different types of intelligence, after that a decision is made about hitting the object."

    On September 30, Russia began airstrikes on terrorists in Syria following President Bashar Assad's request for military assistance.

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    Post  PapaDragon on Sat Oct 17, 2015 3:00 pm

    Vann7 wrote:
    OminousSpudd wrote:
    WHO CARES! Not at you magnumcromagnon or anyone on the thread. But seriously, whatever it was, it was a small reconnaissance drone that looks to be completely expendable. Be it Russian, Syrian, Iranian, or Turkish-bought-from-404. Why the obsession in the media...

    Because there is a Full scale war in the west for winning public opinion to their side in progress...............................


    A war that Russia seems to be winning, 71% of people in UK at the moment support Russia in Syria.

    Every dollar invested in RT and Sputnik yielded 10.000% return on investment so far. thumbsup

    Headlines are good but headlines backed by results are even better and VKS is providing some mighty backing... russia
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    Post  NationalRus on Sat Oct 17, 2015 4:03 pm

    ultron wrote:
    Vann7 wrote:
    Cyberspec wrote:
    coolieno99 wrote:From 10:12 to 13:09 showing a series of blasts resembling tactical nuclear detonations.

    I don't think that's Syria....might be Yemen


    #RuAF Mi-24Ps attacking Jihadist positions near #Talbisah, #Homs this morning.



    That is truly frightening..  Shocked

    Those hellicopters fighting so close to ground.. that any 30mm gun can get lucky..
    Also The biggest problem of Homs operation is the amount of civilians mixed with terrorist..
    their families that support them.. or simply civilians prisoners.. against their will..  What is also
    scary is to know the terrorist are armed with all kinds of missiles..from US and its allies..
    Really hope Russia pull a miracle there and not a single airplane or helicopter destroyed..
    or pilot lost.. Until now however they have done really amazing ..still is scary to see such videos with hellicopters flying low.. Laughing    



    Why don't they use Mi-28N that can attack at night?

    jesus fucking christ im saying that shit since the first video but everybody is like "don't worry everything is cool, perfect use of them" angry
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    Post  Werewolf on Sat Oct 17, 2015 4:17 pm

    jesus fucking christ im saying that shit since the first video but everybody is like "don't worry everything is cool, perfect use of them"

    Because your understanding of how to use weaponary in such a conflict is limited to US propaganda Apache videos of how they hunt reporters and shephards instead of actual manuals of how to deploy correctly force against enemy forces.
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    Post  NationalRus on Sat Oct 17, 2015 4:25 pm

    Werewolf wrote:
    jesus fucking christ im saying that shit since the first video but everybody is like "don't worry everything is cool, perfect use of them"

    Because your understanding of how to use weaponary in such a conflict is limited to US propaganda Apache videos of how they hunt reporters and shephards instead of actual manuals of how to deploy correctly force against enemy forces.

    go ahead and qoute me on that lol1 im very sure i described the different situation off AAA of different kinds in the operational zone and advocated a at the end a cautious approach and actually mi-28n use over mi-24p several times, so you pulled that shit straight out of your ass again lol1
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    Post  par far on Sat Oct 17, 2015 4:49 pm

    Cyberspec wrote:Hmmm   Wink  Pretty sure this unit exists, but unclear how much info in the link is true and how much speculation and rumours

    "Slavic Corps" returns to Syria

    The private military company does not advertise publicly. She's not in reference books and registers. Among the devoted she is known as "PMC Wagner." Until recently, the main force of this formation took part in the armed conflict in the breakaway Luhansk People's Republic, now there is a relocation to Syria.

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    PMC Wagner - one of the most secret units fighting in NovoRosija. Commanders and fighters never give interviews, photograph with Ukrainian trophies do not appear in social networks, they are not mentioned in the official release of LPR and DPR. Informally referred to as "cleaners".

    Wagner and his team are credited with shooting of chief of staff of the 4th Brigade DPR Alexander Bednov (Batman), undermining the brigade commander "Ghost" Alexei Brain, disarmament brigade of special purpose "Odessa", the repression among the "Cossacks", and are known to operate in the eastern Luhansk region.

    The commander of the formation according to the Ukrainian media is said to be a Russian officer. Deputy commander of the Interior Ministry of the Russian group of forces in the North Caucasus, the former commander of the special forces unit "Vityaz" (Interior Forces) - Colonel Eugene Wagner.

    However...

    Colonel Eugene Wagner of internal troops has nothing to do with the same name PMCs. The man with the call sign "Wagner" did not serve in the Ministry of Interior, but in the Spetznas GRU of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Russia.

    Last place of service - the commander of one of the individual sections of the second separate brigade of Spetsnaz GRU, which is stationed at Pskov. He was discharged as a lieutenant colonel. He worked under contract with the Moran Security Group, guarded court in hazardous areas from pirate attacks. In September 2013, together with the "Slavonic corps' first visited Syria.

    More here (some of it confusing)

    http://www.fontanka.ru/2015/10/16/118/

    I wonder if these guys had something to do with this

    Ahrar a-Sham commanders assassinated at ‘fake’ Homs checkpoint
    http://syriadirect.org/news/ahrar-a-sham-commanders-assassinated-at-%E2%80%98fake%E2%80%99-homs-checkpoint/

    This is a private Russian military company(it has direct ties to the Kremlin) I read about them, they were previously in Syria but were pulled out. I think they are better trained, armed and organized than before.


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    Post  par far on Sat Oct 17, 2015 4:50 pm

    Monarchist wrote:
    Cyberspec wrote:Hmmm   Wink  Pretty sure this unit exists, but unclear how much info in the link is true and how much speculation and rumours

    "Slavic Corps" returns to Syria

    The private military company does not advertise publicly. She's not in reference books and registers. Among the devoted she is known as "PMC Wagner." Until recently, the main force of this formation took part in the armed conflict in the breakaway Luhansk People's Republic, now there is a relocation to Syria.

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    PMC Wagner - one of the most secret units fighting in NovoRosija. Commanders and fighters never give interviews, photograph with Ukrainian trophies do not appear in social networks, they are not mentioned in the official release of LPR and DPR. Informally referred to as "cleaners".

    Wagner and his team are credited with shooting of chief of staff of the 4th Brigade DPR Alexander Bednov (Batman), undermining the brigade commander "Ghost" Alexei Brain, disarmament brigade of special purpose "Odessa", the repression among the "Cossacks", and are known to operate in the eastern Luhansk region.

    The commander of the formation according to the Ukrainian media is said to be a Russian officer. Deputy commander of the Interior Ministry of the Russian group of forces in the North Caucasus, the former commander of the special forces unit "Vityaz" (Interior Forces) - Colonel Eugene Wagner.

    However...

    Colonel Eugene Wagner of internal troops has nothing to do with the same name PMCs. The man with the call sign "Wagner" did not serve in the Ministry of Interior, but in the Spetznas GRU of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Russia.

    Last place of service - the commander of one of the individual sections of the second separate brigade of Spetsnaz GRU, which is stationed at Pskov. He was discharged as a lieutenant colonel. He worked under contract with the Moran Security Group, guarded court in hazardous areas from pirate attacks. In September 2013, together with the "Slavonic corps' first visited Syria.

    More here (some of it confusing)

    http://www.fontanka.ru/2015/10/16/118/

    I wonder if these guys had something to do with this

    Ahrar a-Sham commanders assassinated at ‘fake’ Homs checkpoint
    http://syriadirect.org/news/ahrar-a-sham-commanders-assassinated-at-%E2%80%98fake%E2%80%99-homs-checkpoint/
    I sincerely hope they get destroyed by the jihadists, payback for Bednov, Ischenko and Mozgovoy.
    They are mercenaries and yes Strelkov have numerours times acknowledged their existence.


    Why would you say something like that, they do what they are ordered to do.
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    Post  NationalRus on Sat Oct 17, 2015 5:01 pm


    Why would you say something like that, they do what they are ordered to do.

    ignore him he is a fanatical mental troll who doesn't reply if the question is to difficult for his brain, he didn't get the whole empire which he wanted in ukraine by a full blown russian invasion so now he is sad and wants the empire to burn to ash

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