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    Post  Heartbeer on Thu Oct 01, 2015 10:20 pm

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    Dropable fuel tanks.

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    Post  Guest on Thu Oct 01, 2015 10:21 pm

    mack8 wrote:Best video so far:


    Before someone asks about those "big bombs" behind the jet in the video let me say:

    Well, one thing is for sure, those are some big auxiliary drop tanks Very Happy

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    Looks like ПТБ-3000 to me, i guess thats the biggest one, at least that i know of, if there are bigger id like some article or photo, ty in advance.

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    PTB-3000 and few very happy Russian conscripts Smile
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    Post  Guest on Thu Oct 01, 2015 10:21 pm

    Heartbeer wrote:
    mack8 wrote:Best video so far:


    What's that monstrosity on left hand side at 0:46? O_O

    Once again, su 34 is such a beautifull plane, perfect curves.. I'd almost take it to dinner.

    Anddd great, someone was faster than my post Smile. I simply knew someone would ask about it Very Happy
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    Post  medo on Thu Oct 01, 2015 10:28 pm

    Militarov wrote:Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #1 - Page 31 CQPKYCQWcAEAdV0

    New strike from last night.

    Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #1 - Page 31 CQPKYBfWIAE92sN

    "Old" one from yesterday.

    Seems they hit same place again with something more potent as you can see where the entrance to that underground facility is, some good flashes are happening.

    Nice to see that Su-34 use satellite guided KAB-500S bombs. Interesting is, that those night pictures are made from higher altitude. Are they from UAV or from Su-24M2 or Su-34 optical sight? If they are from their optical sight, that could prove they have FLIR camera inside for day night all weather operations.
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    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Thu Oct 01, 2015 10:51 pm

    Militarov wrote:
    Heartbeer wrote:
    mack8 wrote:Best video so far:


    What's that monstrosity on left hand side at 0:46? O_O

    Once again, su 34 is such a beautifull plane, perfect curves.. I'd almost take it to dinner.

    Anddd great, someone was faster than my post Smile. I simply knew someone would ask about it Very Happy

    There are bigger ones; from memory, MiG-25 uses one with capacity of about 5000 l or so.
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    Post  Vann7 on Thu Oct 01, 2015 10:52 pm

    Look at how erratic and in fear is now the  American politicians when speaking
    about Syria. She was asked a question about Syria and you could see from a mile how nervous
    she became and gave an erratic answer that had nothing to do with the conflict in Syria..  lol1




    We need to use force against Russia in Syria.. because..(watch second 41.0+ in the video)
    "remember.. Russian jets have been basically.. err.. mm.. smiles.. mmm.. because "basically" you need to see how close they fly so close to our waters and borders..   Shocked
    pirat  lol1 Laughing

    What its really crystal clear is that the american government IS on a real political nightmare
    that they don't know how to deal with it.. close to international scandal..and its politicians are having a hard time justifying their illegal actions in middle east.. and so they don't know what to say or how to justify anymore their support to jihadist that joins at the first opportunity to Alqaeda or ISIS in Syria. She tried to sound confident.. and in the end what she proved was
    she was very confused..and not sure at all how to defend their cause.. Smile

    You need to see how US media made jokes about so called "Moderates" US want to defend
    to overthrow the Syrian Government.


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    Post  Guest on Thu Oct 01, 2015 10:55 pm

    medo wrote:
    Militarov wrote:Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #1 - Page 31 CQPKYCQWcAEAdV0

    New strike from last night.

    Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #1 - Page 31 CQPKYBfWIAE92sN

    "Old" one from yesterday.

    Seems they hit same place again with something more potent as you can see where the entrance to that underground facility is, some good flashes are happening.

    Nice to see that Su-34 use satellite guided KAB-500S bombs. Interesting is, that those night pictures are made from higher altitude. Are they from UAV or from Su-24M2 or Su-34 optical sight? If they are from their optical sight, that could prove they have FLIR camera inside for day night all weather operations.

    I guess we cant be sure till they release more info on it. However SU34 should have integral UOMZ Platan electro-optical targeting system, from what we know it has laser designator and CCD TV channel, its somewhat of modern Kaira that was on SU24 but from all what we know it doesnt have FLIR/Thermal. However few times Russians have been spotted flying with French Thales Damocles FLIR/Target laser designation pods on SU24/34/30, apparently they even got licence to produce them, not sure how far that went its not hard to check. Russian option was SAPSAN-E pod, its still not fielded, after it "lost" in competition with Thales Damocles, i guess now they will finally finish it coz of sanctions.

    So ill be bad Rusophile and say its probably UAV (French pod maybe... but we havent seen them there for now).
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    Post  Zivo on Thu Oct 01, 2015 11:02 pm

    Vann7 wrote:
    Look at how erratic and in fear is now the  American politicians when speaking
    about Syria. She was asked a question about Syria and you could see from a mile how nervous
    she became and gave an erratic answer that had nothing to do with the conflict in Syria..  lol1




    We need to use force against Russia in Syria.. because.. err.. mm..
    because you need to see how close they fly so close to our (american) borders..   lol1

    Wow, what a dumb bitch.

    Does she even realize how impossibly stupid her suggestion is? I really hope she watches that interview later tonight and starts kicking herself for that comment.
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    Post  Guest on Thu Oct 01, 2015 11:17 pm

    Few sources on Twitter claim this is video of air raid on Dayr al Asafir in suburbs of Damascus from few hours ago:



    It seems original claim came from Qasioun news which are not really...very...pro Syrian Smile.
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    Post  KoTeMoRe on Thu Oct 01, 2015 11:24 pm

    Zivo wrote:
    Vann7 wrote:
    Look at how erratic and in fear is now the  American politicians when speaking
    about Syria. She was asked a question about Syria and you could see from a mile how nervous
    she became and gave an erratic answer that had nothing to do with the conflict in Syria..  lol1




    We need to use force against Russia in Syria.. because.. err.. mm..
    because you need to see how close they fly so close to our (american) borders..   lol1

    Wow, what a dumb bitch.

    Does she even realize how impossibly stupid her suggestion is? I really hope she watches that interview later tonight and starts kicking herself for that comment.

    Oh, fantasizing about those Topols, isn't she.
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    Post  KoTeMoRe on Thu Oct 01, 2015 11:25 pm

    Militarov wrote:Few sources on Twitter claim this is video of air raid on Dayr al Asafir in suburbs of Damascus from few hours ago:



    It seems original claim came from Qasioun news which are not really...very...pro Syrian Smile.

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    Post  OminousSpudd on Thu Oct 01, 2015 11:29 pm

    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    Zivo wrote:
    Vann7 wrote:
    Look at how erratic and in fear is now the  American politicians when speaking
    about Syria. She was asked a question about Syria and you could see from a mile how nervous
    she became and gave an erratic answer that had nothing to do with the conflict in Syria..  lol1




    We need to use force against Russia in Syria.. because.. err.. mm..
    because you need to see how close they fly so close to our (american) borders..   lol1

    Wow, what a dumb bitch.

    Does she even realize how impossibly stupid her suggestion is? I really hope she watches that interview later tonight and starts kicking herself for that comment.

    Oh, fantasizing about those Topols, isn't she.

    I see what you did there KoTeMoRe. Laughing
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Thu Oct 01, 2015 11:41 pm

    OminousSpudd wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    Zivo wrote:
    Vann7 wrote:
    Look at how erratic and in fear is now the  American politicians when speaking
    about Syria. She was asked a question about Syria and you could see from a mile how nervous
    she became and gave an erratic answer that had nothing to do with the conflict in Syria..  lol1




    We need to use force against Russia in Syria.. because.. err.. mm..
    because you need to see how close they fly so close to our (american) borders..   lol1

    Wow, what a dumb bitch.

    Does she even realize how impossibly stupid her suggestion is? I really hope she watches that interview later tonight and starts kicking herself for that comment.

    Oh, fantasizing about those Topols, isn't she.

    I see what you did there KoTeMoRe. Laughing

    She wants dat Russian woo...err...dat white Russian popplars between her legs. Wink


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    Post  KoTeMoRe on Thu Oct 01, 2015 11:43 pm

    I'm sorry I slipped. clown
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    Post  sepheronx on Thu Oct 01, 2015 11:45 pm

    Militarov wrote:
    medo wrote:
    Militarov wrote:Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #1 - Page 31 CQPKYCQWcAEAdV0

    New strike from last night.

    Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #1 - Page 31 CQPKYBfWIAE92sN

    "Old" one from yesterday.

    Seems they hit same place again with something more potent as you can see where the entrance to that underground facility is, some good flashes are happening.

    Nice to see that Su-34 use satellite guided KAB-500S bombs. Interesting is, that those night pictures are made from higher altitude. Are they from UAV or from Su-24M2 or Su-34 optical sight? If they are from their optical sight, that could prove they have FLIR camera inside for day night all weather operations.

    I guess we cant be sure till they release more info on it. However SU34 should have integral UOMZ Platan electro-optical targeting system, from what we know it has laser designator and CCD TV channel, its somewhat of modern Kaira that was on SU24 but from all what we know it doesnt have FLIR/Thermal. However few times Russians have been spotted flying with French Thales Damocles FLIR/Target laser designation pods on SU24/34/30, apparently they even got licence to produce them, not sure how far that went its not hard to check. Russian option was SAPSAN-E pod, its still not fielded, after it "lost" in competition with Thales Damocles, i guess now they will finally finish it coz of sanctions.

    So ill be bad Rusophile and say its probably UAV (French pod maybe... but we havent seen them there for now).
    Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #1 - Page 31 E112H9f
    Built in system does indeed have laser designator and CCD TV (IR I presume) but no thermal and no pods.  Sapsan-E wasn't produced due to poorer performance and Domacles, even though they obtained licenses, never went more than a few.  There wasn't a huge demand for Thermal imaging pods I suppose.  But there was one shown recently on MiG-35 and the 101KS-N being developed for PAK FA (and I imagine others will receive it as well).
    Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #1 - Page 31 ThE4PgC

    As for the guided munitions, well, we don't really know too much.  The presumed issues with Glonass chips are long history issue as glonass devices are now more in circulation and growing.  But about the munitions?  I have a feeling  Russia barely ordered any for years due to the surplus stock of soviet era missiles mixed in with the idea of using more dumb munitions but with new targeting systems (Gefast & T upgrade on Su-24M2's as an example) which greatly increases the precision strikes with dumb bombs.  Things like Laser bombs and TV guided bombs seem to be far more common than glonass guided bombs, that is for sure.
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    Post  sepheronx on Thu Oct 01, 2015 11:53 pm

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    This was the pod shown at MAKS 2015 on the MiG-35, thanks to KRATOS for posting the image over at keypub.


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    Post  max steel on Thu Oct 01, 2015 11:53 pm



    Unconfirmed Footage - Russian Air Force Aircraft attacking Al-Lataminah @ Northern Homs Countryside.
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    Post  Guest on Thu Oct 01, 2015 11:56 pm

    sepheronx wrote:
    Militarov wrote:
    medo wrote:
    Militarov wrote:Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #1 - Page 31 CQPKYCQWcAEAdV0

    New strike from last night.

    Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #1 - Page 31 CQPKYBfWIAE92sN

    "Old" one from yesterday.

    Seems they hit same place again with something more potent as you can see where the entrance to that underground facility is, some good flashes are happening.

    Nice to see that Su-34 use satellite guided KAB-500S bombs. Interesting is, that those night pictures are made from higher altitude. Are they from UAV or from Su-24M2 or Su-34 optical sight? If they are from their optical sight, that could prove they have FLIR camera inside for day night all weather operations.

    I guess we cant be sure till they release more info on it. However SU34 should have integral UOMZ Platan electro-optical targeting system, from what we know it has laser designator and CCD TV channel, its somewhat of modern Kaira that was on SU24 but from all what we know it doesnt have FLIR/Thermal. However few times Russians have been spotted flying with French Thales Damocles FLIR/Target laser designation pods on SU24/34/30, apparently they even got licence to produce them, not sure how far that went its not hard to check. Russian option was SAPSAN-E pod, its still not fielded, after it "lost" in competition with Thales Damocles, i guess now they will finally finish it coz of sanctions.

    So ill be bad Rusophile and say its probably UAV (French pod maybe... but we havent seen them there for now).
    Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #1 - Page 31 E112H9f
    Built in system does indeed have laser designator and CCD TV (IR I presume) but no thermal and no pods.  Sapsan-E wasn't produced due to poorer performance and Domacles, even though they obtained licenses, never went more than a few.  There wasn't a huge demand for Thermal imaging pods I suppose.  But there was one shown recently on MiG-35 and the 101KS-N being developed for PAK FA (and I imagine others will receive it as well).
    Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #1 - Page 31 ThE4PgC

    As for the guided munitions, well, we don't really know too much.  The presumed issues with Glonass chips are long history issue as glonass devices are now more in circulation and growing.  But about the munitions?  I have a feeling  Russia barely ordered any for years due to the surplus stock of soviet era missiles mixed in with the idea of using more dumb munitions but with new targeting systems (Gefast & T upgrade on Su-24M2's as an example) which greatly increases the precision strikes with dumb bombs.  Things like Laser bombs and TV guided bombs seem to be far more common than glonass guided bombs, that is for sure.

    Yeah i know about 101KS-N, but its not in play here for sure Smile. Yeah, Sapsan wasnt performing good enough to be obtained in numbers and Domacles it seems was too expencive due to components bought from France, despite having licence Russians still were buying some key components from original producer.

    In general guided ammunition in Russia is somewhat of a long term issue, even tho they had some decent solutions even back in 80s they werent procured in significant numbres, as i said above in some post, in last few years Russia was ordering major guided missiles (i am talking about major size cruise missiles and anti shipping missiles) in amounts less than 100 per year. And US alone bought almost 250.000 GPS JDAM sets since 1997. (naturally decent portion was spent) so in terms of cheap "smart" warload Russia is really lagging behind. On top of everything Kosmos seems to have issues with production of enough dual GPS/Glonass reciever chips.
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    Post  sepheronx on Thu Oct 01, 2015 11:58 pm

    Awesome video. Those Mi-25's moving in a formation launching rockets is definitely very Russian as you notice such types of formations and engagements during Russia's various snap drills. In most video's showcasing such engagements with helicopters, it is usually one or two seen.

    As for the IVECO's; Italy must just be loving this and Russia gets to get rid of those monstrosities.
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    Post  sepheronx on Fri Oct 02, 2015 12:02 am

    Militarov wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:
    Militarov wrote:
    medo wrote:
    Militarov wrote:Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #1 - Page 31 CQPKYCQWcAEAdV0

    New strike from last night.

    Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #1 - Page 31 CQPKYBfWIAE92sN

    "Old" one from yesterday.

    Seems they hit same place again with something more potent as you can see where the entrance to that underground facility is, some good flashes are happening.

    Nice to see that Su-34 use satellite guided KAB-500S bombs. Interesting is, that those night pictures are made from higher altitude. Are they from UAV or from Su-24M2 or Su-34 optical sight? If they are from their optical sight, that could prove they have FLIR camera inside for day night all weather operations.

    I guess we cant be sure till they release more info on it. However SU34 should have integral UOMZ Platan electro-optical targeting system, from what we know it has laser designator and CCD TV channel, its somewhat of modern Kaira that was on SU24 but from all what we know it doesnt have FLIR/Thermal. However few times Russians have been spotted flying with French Thales Damocles FLIR/Target laser designation pods on SU24/34/30, apparently they even got licence to produce them, not sure how far that went its not hard to check. Russian option was SAPSAN-E pod, its still not fielded, after it "lost" in competition with Thales Damocles, i guess now they will finally finish it coz of sanctions.

    So ill be bad Rusophile and say its probably UAV (French pod maybe... but we havent seen them there for now).
    Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #1 - Page 31 E112H9f
    Built in system does indeed have laser designator and CCD TV (IR I presume) but no thermal and no pods.  Sapsan-E wasn't produced due to poorer performance and Domacles, even though they obtained licenses, never went more than a few.  There wasn't a huge demand for Thermal imaging pods I suppose.  But there was one shown recently on MiG-35 and the 101KS-N being developed for PAK FA (and I imagine others will receive it as well).
    Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #1 - Page 31 ThE4PgC

    As for the guided munitions, well, we don't really know too much.  The presumed issues with Glonass chips are long history issue as glonass devices are now more in circulation and growing.  But about the munitions?  I have a feeling  Russia barely ordered any for years due to the surplus stock of soviet era missiles mixed in with the idea of using more dumb munitions but with new targeting systems (Gefast & T upgrade on Su-24M2's as an example) which greatly increases the precision strikes with dumb bombs.  Things like Laser bombs and TV guided bombs seem to be far more common than glonass guided bombs, that is for sure.

    Yeah i know about 101KS-N, but its not in play here for sure Smile. Yeah, Sapsan wasnt performing good enough to be obtained in numbers and Domacles it seems was too expencive due to components bought from France, despite having licence Russians still were buying some key components from original producer.

    In general guided ammunition in Russia is somewhat of a long term issue, even tho they had some decent solutions even back in 80s they werent procured in significant numbres, as i said above in some post, in last few years Russia was ordering major guided missiles (i am talking about major size cruise missiles and anti shipping missiles) in amounts less than 100 per year. And US alone bought almost 250.000 GPS JDAM sets since 1997. (naturally decent portion was spent) so in terms of cheap "smart" warload Russia is really lagging behind. On top of everything Kosmos seems to have issues with production of enough dual GPS/Glonass reciever chips.

    That was 7 years ago and I believe Rostec owns the company.  In other words, I can bet you that production is significantly higher (as the radio agencies have been in a massive upswing since the failures of 2008 Georgian war, and are producing brand new radio technology and glonass recievers especially for troops.  I don't know about dual purpose ones though, they may not make many of them).  If not for dual purpose chips, then for pure glonass.  As for those guided missile orders, I will need citations on those as I don't really believe it.


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    Post  KoTeMoRe on Fri Oct 02, 2015 12:03 am

    That's from Centr 2015 I think.
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    Post  mack8 on Fri Oct 02, 2015 12:04 am

    Quite certain that video is not from Syria, but from recent exercises in Russia. Rogozin posted that video on his page yesterday i think so probably some thought it's from Syria.
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    Post  x_54_u43 on Fri Oct 02, 2015 12:07 am

    I am very confident that these were Orlan drones, or perhaps a different Russian drone.

    Unless Russia operates another foreign UAV other than the Hermes 450 or the ScanEagle, then these were certainly an Orlan type drone, unlikely to be an Eleron or a Zala however.

    Edit: Looking at the Star doc on Russian UAVs it could be the high performance rear engined Eleron-3.

    Camera cursor seems to be similar, with the cursor the same style as well. Left scale is absent, however a yellow arrow is present in the night strike videos, perhaps a GPS marker coordinate, showing the objective.

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    Above is Orlan. Below is Eleron-3.

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    Post  KoTeMoRe on Fri Oct 02, 2015 12:13 am

    x_54_u43 wrote:I am very confident that these were Orlan drones, or perhaps a different Russian drone.

    Unless Russia operates another foreign UAV other than the Hermes 450 or the ScanEagle, then these were certainly an Orlan type drone, unlikely to be an Eleron or a Zala however.

    So far the Shahed drone has been good. And there's the CH-4...
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    Post  sepheronx on Fri Oct 02, 2015 12:16 am

    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    x_54_u43 wrote:I am very confident that these were Orlan drones, or perhaps a different Russian drone.

    Unless Russia operates another foreign UAV other than the Hermes 450 or the ScanEagle, then these were certainly an Orlan type drone, unlikely to be an Eleron or a Zala however.

    So far the Shahed drone has been good. And there's the CH-4...

    Are those even in Russian service though?

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