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    Post  Guest on Sun Sep 27, 2015 10:12 pm

    ultron wrote:I don't hope much hope of Russia conducting air strikes in Syria. Russia is no western country, no middle eastern country. Since when has Russia ever carried out an air strike in another country? Never. I think tomorrow Putin will discuss having Assad resign and start a transitioning process.

    Well Russia did perform strike missions in 2008. war with Georgia. And USSR did fight in North Korea, Vietnam and Afganistan, both directly and indirectly. Also its known that USSR pilots occasionally would fly for Egyptian airforce during Cold War.
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    Post  ultron on Sun Sep 27, 2015 10:14 pm

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    ultron wrote:Well Russia did perform strike missions in 2008. war with Georgia. And USSR did fight in North Korea, Vietnam and Afganistan, both directly and indirectly. Also its known that USSR pilots occasionally would fly for Egyptian airforce during Cold War.

    True, but that was because Georgia attacked Russia. This is not the case with jihadists in Syria. Russia's borders are secure. Jihadists only dare to pick on obsolete Syrian soldiers. They don't dare to attack Russia.

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    Post  Guest on Sun Sep 27, 2015 10:18 pm

    ultron wrote:
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    ultron wrote:Well Russia did perform strike missions in 2008. war with Georgia. And USSR did fight in North Korea, Vietnam and Afganistan, both directly and indirectly. Also its known that USSR pilots occasionally would fly for Egyptian airforce during Cold War.

    True, but that was because Georgia attacked Russia. This is not the case with jihadists in Syria. Russia's borders are secure. Jihadists only dare to pick on obsolete Syrian soldiers. They don't dare to attack Russia.


    That is abit wider field of discussion than simple "Russia is not under attack, its borders are safe". While what you said is being true, Russia is not directly attacked, issue exists. Many, some figures go up to even 10.000 Chechens that are not happy with current politicians in Grozny are joining ISIS, when war there is done, where they shall go? Back to Russia naturally, to continue fighting there attacking Russian bases, Russian convoys, Russian police stations etc.

    Also ISIS is not THAT far from Russia, some of their cells and supporting organisations already emerged in Kazakzstan and Kyrgyzstan, which are basically Russian doorstep. You are forgetting that war in certain Russian republics was basically lasting till 2006. waged by Jihadists that you talk about.
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    Post  franco on Sun Sep 27, 2015 10:20 pm

    ultron wrote:Personally, I don't have much hope of Russia conducting air strikes in Syria. Russia is no western country, no middle eastern country. Bombing in another country is simply not Russia's style. Since when has Russia ever carried out an air strike in another country? Never. Not even in Donbas when the coup regime shelled cities and killed thousands of civilians. I think tomorrow Putin will discuss having Assad resign and start a transitioning process in exchange for the west to drop some of the sanctions on Russia.

    Sanctions hurt Russia and the EU but help the American economy... can't see the US allowing them to end.
    Putin will not sell out Assad.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Sun Sep 27, 2015 10:33 pm

    ultron wrote:Personally, I don't have much hope of Russia conducting air strikes in Syria. Russia is no western country, no middle eastern country. Bombing in another country is simply not Russia's style. Since when has Russia ever carried out an air strike in another country? Never. Not even in Donbas when the coup regime shelled cities and killed thousands of civilians. I think tomorrow Putin will discuss having Assad resign and start a transitioning process in exchange for the west to drop some of the sanctions on Russia.

    Those planes are there for a reason. And even if they do not fly any sorties, their sheer presence has already had major influence on the geopolitical front.

    Russia decided to establish stable foothold in the Mediterranean and they will want to clear out the scum from the vicinity of their new bases (for now Tartus and Latakia).

    They do not need to clear out all of Syria but they can "process" the best part of it (coastline and habitable zones) no problem.
    Rest of it is useless desert anyway... FSA and "democratic" opposition can shack up there. lol1    

    My guess is that Palmyra will be first order of business and the asshat who wrote this Uncle Sam fluffing tripe seems to agree:

    "What’s Putin up to in Syria? I would wager he’s after something big – retaking Palmyra"

    http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/what-s-putin-up-to-in-syria-i-would-wager-he-s-after-something-big-retaking-palmyra-a6669446.html

    Lifting the siege of that air base (forgot the name) would be next on the menu, or maybe it would be done simultaneously.

    EDIT:

    Another article:

    "Syria Crisis: Russia puts troops on the ground in the fight against Isis. Palmyra may be the first Islamist target to be attacked"

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/syria-crisis-russia-puts-troops-on-the-ground-in-the-fight-against-isis-a6669541.html

    ..................Russian fighter pilots are being given the task of taking part in military operations in Syria, as it would take too long to train the country’s own pilots to fly the advanced fighter-bombers now arriving. But Russian troops will not be involved, except in an emergency, in any ground operations, sources say.............

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    Post  ultron on Mon Sep 28, 2015 12:28 am

    Palmyra is not that important. First order of business should be clearing northeastern Latakia. After that, Idlib must be retaken. Cut off the border with Turkey, and that cuts off the source of jihadist manpower.

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    Post  Guest on Mon Sep 28, 2015 12:36 am

    ultron wrote:Palmyra is not that important. First order of business should be clearing northeastern Latakia. After that, Idlib must be retaken. Cut off the border with Turkey, and that cuts off the source of jihadist manpower.

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    First and foremost destroying all pockets inside populated territory, except Aleppo i guess, thats quite a big bite for now, but keep it under strict control, those pockets are being held by rebels not... ISIS... or whatever, like we know atm who is paying allegiance to whom there. First you need to secure your back and then look forward retaking terirory that is atm out of your reach.
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    Post  Guest on Mon Sep 28, 2015 3:11 am

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    Russian Orlan-10 (apparently) seen flying over Jabhat al-Nusra positions in Idlibs countryside.
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    UAV filmed above Jabal Al Zawiya, South of Ariha identified as Russian built Granat 3 system.

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    Russian marine and SAA soldier.
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    Post  Guest on Mon Sep 28, 2015 3:36 am

    "Since September 10, a vessel named "Yauza" has been making its way from Severomorsk, Russia, to the Turkish Straits, presumably headed for the Black Sea. The day before getting underway, the vessel was at a Severomorsk weapons handling facility (home of the 571st Technical Missile Base), where it was located between 0946 UTC on September 9 and 0456 UTC on September 10. What activity was conducted there is a mystery.

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    The vessel has made no known port calls since leaving Severomorsk. "Yauza" was noted tracking north through the Turkish Straits today when it unexpectedly turned around between 1222 UTC and 1510 UTC. The vessel continued tracking to the southwest until 1647 UTC when it reached a holding point located ~14 nautical miles east of the Greek Island of Lemnos.

    Given the name and departure port, this appears to be the Northern Fleet cargo and personnel vessel "Yauza". If true, its apparent voyage to the Black Sea would be unusual and could be related to the ongoing transfer of Russian military personnel and material to Syria.

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    Amguema-class cargo vessel (Rus: Project 550M special-purpose large naval dry cargo vessel) "Yauza" was built at Kherson Shipyard for the Soviet Navy. It was laid down in April 1974 and joined the Northern Fleet in 1975. In 1988, the vessel was resubordinated to the Ministry of Defense's 12th Main Directorate, which oversees military nuclear safety and security programs. Since then, the vessel had been used to transport cargo between the Russian mainland and Novaya Zemlya.

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    On April 3, 2008, the Ministry of Defense signed a contract (253/05/7/K/0329-08) with Nerpa Shipyard in Snezhnogorsk (Murmansk Oblast) to perform capital repairs, modernization, and conversion of "Yauza", to include increasing the number of passengers it could carry to 98. The vessel's superstructure was lengthened, and two new cranes were installed: one on the bow (Liebherr CBW 60/16, 60 metric ton lift capacity) and one on the stern (9 metric ton lift capacity). Other changes included the installation of new main (4 х 1,500 kW) and emergency (1 х 200 kW) diesel generators, steam boilers (2 x 4,000 kg/h), and modern control, safety, and communications systems. The vessel has four cargo holds."

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    Source: http://7fbtk.blogspot.be/2015/09/yauza-heading-to-black-sea.html
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    Post  sepheronx on Mon Sep 28, 2015 3:45 am

    Putin: better to fight militants on Syrian territory than to expect their return to Russia
    MOSCOW, September 28. /TASS/. It is more preferable for Russia to fight militants from the former Soviet Union on the territory of Syria than to expect their return, President Vladimir Putin said in an interview with the US TV anchorman Charles Rose for the CBS and PBS channels.
    "There are more than 2,000 militants in Syria from the former Soviet Union. So instead of waiting for them to return back home we should help President al-Assad fight them there, in Syria. This is the main incentive that impels us to help President al-Assad," Putin said. "In general, we want the situation in the region to stabilize."
    The Russian leader said the assessment that Assad’s actions help the Islamic State (IS) terrorist group and that Assad’s resignation may help boost antiterrorism efforts is "a blatant act by al-Assad’s enemies. It is anti-Syrian propaganda.".

    Putin: Syrian problem can only be solved by strengthening legitimate authorities
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    Post  Guest on Mon Sep 28, 2015 3:50 am

    Nikolai Filchenkov 152 packed to the gunnels with military equipment en route to Syria:

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    Video: https://www.periscope.tv/w/1OyJAwaadqqKb

    Source: https://twitter.com/YorukIsik/status/648018901612277760


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    Post  ultron on Mon Sep 28, 2015 1:43 pm

    Just as I thought, Putin says there will be no Russian military action in Syria.

    https://twitter.com/onlinekpru/status/648364028255821824
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    Post  zg18 on Mon Sep 28, 2015 8:32 pm

    Su-34 over Latakia

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    http://defence-blog.com/news/in-syria-spotted-su-34-russian-fighter-bomber.html
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    Post  sepheronx on Mon Sep 28, 2015 8:38 pm

    ultron wrote:Just as I thought, Putin says there will be no Russian military action in Syria.

    https://twitter.com/onlinekpru/status/648364028255821824

    You should go through the news. Putin said no troops to engage. Didnt mention about advisors, trainers or airforce.
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    Post  mack8 on Mon Sep 28, 2015 9:21 pm

    I was kinda wondering if Su-34 will take part in the show! I hope it's not fake news, here's couple more pics of them allegedly leaving Mozdok, plus VVS Su-24 and Su-25 allegedly spotted over Syria as well.

    http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=82450&page=565
    https://twitter.com/LuftwaffeAS
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    Post  medo on Mon Sep 28, 2015 10:14 pm

    When we will see satellite picture of Su-34 in Latakia airport, than we could believe it is there. From the picture there, this Su-34 could as well fly somewhere in the south Russia or over Crimea.
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    Post  NationalRus on Mon Sep 28, 2015 10:15 pm

    how the RAF got to syria

    this flight is from today

    general plane image: TU-154 RA-85155
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    Post  Heartbeer on Mon Sep 28, 2015 10:19 pm

    mack8 wrote:I was kinda wondering if Su-34 will take part in the show! I hope it's not fake news, here's couple more pics of them allegedly leaving Mozdok, plus VVS Su-24 and Su-25 allegedly spotted over Syria as well.

    http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=82450&page=565
    https://twitter.com/LuftwaffeAS

    My fav plane design, if its really in Syria, I hope it does some serious damage, don't get shot down and best of luck to the pilots ofcourse!
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    Post  ultron on Mon Sep 28, 2015 11:44 pm

    Does anyone have a recent satellite image of the air base in Latakia?
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    Post  Cyberspec on Tue Sep 29, 2015 12:24 am

    NationalRus wrote:how the RAF got to syria

    this flight is from today

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    Interesting....hard to tell what the escorts of the Tu-154 are

    And RAF usually means Royal Airforce (just nitpicking) Smile

    And another interesting development

    Iraq Open to Russian Requests for Reconnaissance Flights
    http://hotair.com/headlines/archives/2015/09/28/iraq-open-to-russian-requests-for-reconnaissance-flights/
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    Post  PapaDragon on Tue Sep 29, 2015 12:49 am

    medo wrote:When we will see satellite picture of Su-34 in Latakia airport, than we could believe it is there. From the picture there, this Su-34 could as well fly somewhere in the south Russia or over Crimea.

    Now that you mentioned it, i remember that there was infographics about Su-34 on Sputnik this morning of all days.

    Strange coincidence is it not?
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    Post  par far on Tue Sep 29, 2015 1:04 am

    Very interesting article, don't know what to make of it.


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    Post  par far on Tue Sep 29, 2015 1:06 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    medo wrote:When we will see satellite picture of Su-34 in Latakia airport, than we could believe it is there. From the picture there, this Su-34 could as well fly somewhere in the south Russia or over Crimea.

    Now that you mentioned it, i remember that there was infographics about Su-34 on Sputnik this morning of all days.

    Strange coincidence is it not?


    I saw those as well, wondered why they were there, could it be true?

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