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    Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #1

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    Post  Dima Wed Sep 23, 2015 2:19 am

    ^^^ thumbsup
    The Russian units might have already carried out their recce over their likely area of operation.


    A good article from fortruss, must read...

    Why Syria is Russia's Stalingrad

    Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #1 - Page 11 Post1173193_img1_f57a5cbe5d3d572cbdf1230cb8569be9

    And now about Syria. Syria is today's Stalingrad. It can not be surrendered and it will not be. The stakes do not allow it. As the surrender of Stalingrad in the 1942 meant geostrategic catastrophe, the surrender of Assad, with the subsequent collapse in the Syrian army and the state will precede an unallowable geopolitical catastrophe in Central Asia. All the words of Americans about the coalition and the fight against ISIS are a lie and hypocrisy. They will not seriously fight ISIS. And they don't want Russia in any form in the anti-ISIS coalition. The decision about the transfer to Syria of Russian arms and military advisers only confuses their plans. How the U.S. will try to push Russia out of Syria, we will learn from the discussions at the UN General Assembly. The pressure will be insane, but we will not budge.

    In time the Americans will still have to answer how ISIS got a hold of billions of dollars, the oil fields and weapons. The primary objective of ISIS is to overthrow Assad and destroy Syria. The Americans plan to simulate a war with ISIS for years, as already stated at the official level. In order not to interfere with its actions in Central Asia. Giving the whole of Syria into the hands of ISIS. The time will show how the events will develop in Syria. Having slept through a global geopolitical provocation of Americans in the Middle East and Ukraine, the Russian leadership largely nullified America's success with effective tactical successes . But the overall situation remains extremely difficult. It is necessary to understand without illusions. Our country is going through its 1942.

    The article says that there are no (not much?) traitors in the current Russian leadership (as it was the case with the Soviet Union) and I agree, but I feel there is definitely one and that is the arsshole Medvedev. We saw his clear collaboration with his western masters on Libya (a great loss for Russia in every way and in the fight against Islamic terrorists) and earlier in 2008 during war with US backed Georgian Govt/military.


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    Post  PapaDragon Wed Sep 23, 2015 2:28 am

    ult wrote:Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #1 - Page 11 JNN6xZj

    So lemme see if I got this straight: We have all these nice up-to-date fancy hi-res technicolor pics of Russian Military in Syria but when we all asked a year ago about some (any) proof of RU army in Donbass all we got were 50's era quality pics of 4 combine harvesters?

    Seriously weak sauce right there... Razz
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    Post  Khepesh Wed Sep 23, 2015 2:38 am

    It's obvious, but worth saying. We see these very clear satellite photos of Syria taken by Americans, yet what do they show as "evidence" for Russian "invasion" of Donbass.....

    It is suggested by western media that Netanyahu told Putin not to assist Assad in "invading" Israel. This is as mad a suggestion as Hollande saying France will bomb IS in "self defence", or the depraved, oink oink, Cameron, wanting to stop refugees from Syria by bombing Damascus. I suspect the reality is that Putin told Netanyahu to keep his airforce away from Syria. Personally I do not see VVS in Syria to do a little help here and there, I suspect a major popcorn event.
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    Post  Dima Wed Sep 23, 2015 2:43 am

    PD,
    Yes very right Laughing

    Khepesh,
    That Isreali fellow is a mental case, we have seen his earlier bomb illustration at UN.  Laughing


    Any news from Tartus regarding Russian military activity there?
    A new and improved naval outpost/base wont be a bad idea. Very Happy
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    Post  PapaDragon Wed Sep 23, 2015 3:10 am

    Dima wrote:PD,
    Yes very right Laughing

    Khepesh,
    That Isreali fellow is a mental case, we have seen his earlier bomb illustration at UN.  Laughing


    Any news from Tartus regarding Russian military activity there?
    A new and improved naval outpost/base wont be a bad idea. Very Happy

    Well, Novorossiysk is almost done so I guess construction crews will need a new gig pretty soon. Cool


    Also:

    This is poll on The Telegraph...
    Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #1 - Page 11 Poll10

    The West should join with Putin to defeat Isil

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/islamic-state/11883275/The-West-should-join-with-Putin-to-defeat-Isil.html
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    Post  sepheronx Wed Sep 23, 2015 3:17 am

    I say let US and rest of the west have fun in Iraq. As soon as US give support to Assad, they will make it as political as ever and try to drive Russia out, and Assad.
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    Post  George1 Wed Sep 23, 2015 7:17 am

    ult wrote:Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #1 - Page 11 JNN6xZj

    These Su-24s are:

    1. Of Russian Air Force?
    2. Old ones of Syrian Air Force?
    3. Recently transferred to Syrian Air Force due to the situation there as aid?
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    Post  zorobabel Wed Sep 23, 2015 8:06 am

    Dima wrote:^^^ thumbsup
    The Russian units might have already carried out their recce over their likely area of operation.


    A good article from fortruss, must read...



    Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #1 - Page 11 Post1173193_img1_f57a5cbe5d3d572cbdf1230cb8569be9

    And now about Syria. Syria is today's Stalingrad. It can not be surrendered and it will not be. The stakes do not allow it. As the surrender of Stalingrad in the 1942 meant geostrategic catastrophe, the surrender of Assad, with the subsequent collapse in the Syrian army and the state will precede an unallowable geopolitical catastrophe in Central Asia. All the words of Americans about the coalition and the fight against ISIS are a lie and hypocrisy. They will not seriously fight ISIS. And they don't want Russia in any form in the anti-ISIS coalition. The decision about the transfer to Syria of Russian arms and military advisers only confuses their plans. How the U.S. will try to push Russia out of Syria, we will learn from the discussions at the UN General Assembly. The pressure will be insane, but we will not budge.

    In time the Americans will still have to answer how ISIS got a hold of billions of dollars, the oil fields and weapons. The primary objective of ISIS is to overthrow Assad and destroy Syria. The Americans plan to simulate a war with ISIS for years, as already stated at the official level. In order not to interfere with its actions in Central Asia. Giving the whole of Syria into the hands of ISIS. The time will show how the events will develop in Syria. Having slept through a global geopolitical provocation of Americans in the Middle East and Ukraine, the Russian leadership largely nullified America's success with effective tactical successes . But the overall situation remains extremely difficult. It is necessary to understand without illusions. Our country is going through its 1942.

    The article says that there are no (not much?) traitors in the current Russian leadership (as it was the case with the Soviet Union) and I agree, but I feel there is definitely one and that is the arsshole Medvedev. We saw his clear collaboration with his western masters on Libya (a great loss for Russia in every way and in the fight against Islamic terrorists) and earlier in 2008 during war with US backed Georgian Govt/military.
    It's an interesting take -- and Russia's strategic objectives will eventually be made clear -- but I think it is misguided. I don't think the Kremlin intends to prop up Assad at any cost. I think while Putin has one eye on immediate gains that can be won, he is also thinking about the long term and the possible necessity of carving out an Alawite-Christian state along the coast that will allow Russia to maintain influence in the region and to keep (and even increase) its bases. Time will tell, of course, and I may very soon be proven wrong.
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    Post  ultron Wed Sep 23, 2015 10:35 am

    zorobabel wrote:he is also thinking about the long term and the possible necessity of carving out an Alawite-Christian state along the coast that will allow Russia to maintain influence in the region and to keep (and even increase) its bases.

    This is very unlikely. Nusra cannot be bargained with as in the case with Poroshenko. These are guys who wish to die for 72 virgins. As long as Idlib is in their control, Latakia would have no peace. Therefore the only way is offensive on Idlib to recapture it from Nusra.
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    Post  zorobabel Wed Sep 23, 2015 10:39 am

    ultron wrote:
    zorobabel wrote:he is also thinking about the long term and the possible necessity of carving out an Alawite-Christian state along the coast that will allow Russia to maintain influence in the region and to keep (and even increase) its bases. Time will tell, of course, and I may very soon be proven wrong.

    This is very unlikely. Nusra cannot be bargained with as in the case with Poroshenko. These are guys who wish to die for 72 virgins. As long as Idlib is in their control, Latakia would have no peace. Therefore the only way is offensive on Idlib to recapture it from Nusra.
    I hope you are right. After Minsk II, I have my doubts about Putin's determination.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Wed Sep 23, 2015 11:14 am

    zorobabel wrote:
    ultron wrote:
    zorobabel wrote:he is also thinking about the long term and the possible necessity of carving out an Alawite-Christian state along the coast that will allow Russia to maintain influence in the region and to keep (and even increase) its bases. Time will tell, of course, and I may very soon be proven wrong.

    This is very unlikely. Nusra cannot be bargained with as in the case with Poroshenko. These are guys who wish to die for 72 virgins. As long as Idlib is in their control, Latakia would have no peace. Therefore the only way is offensive on Idlib to recapture it from Nusra.
    I hope you are right. After Minsk II, I have my doubts about Putin's determination.

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    Post  VARGR198 Thu Sep 24, 2015 2:40 am

    I've read a in a couple of places thata Chinese navy ship has traversed the Suez Canal, and is believed to be heading to the russian navy base at Tartous.


    http://southfront.org/chinese-military-personnel-expected-to-arrive-in-syria/?COLLCC=2413430705

    China to assist Syria and Russia in fighting ISIS (and moderate rebels)?
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    Post  JohninMK Thu Sep 24, 2015 3:28 am

    The build-up of 'stuff' from Russia seems to have started in earnest at the start of August with the large landing ships 151 Azov and 158 Tsezar Kunikov travelling as a pair with others of various types operating more randomly. These two have just passed Northbound through the Bosphorus for the third time since then yesterday. Their load capacity is stated as 500 tons, eg 10 tanks, so these two alone are delivering 1000 tons a fortnight.

    Prior to that the route was much quieter.

    Interesting site, am going to monitor it.

    I found the data at http://turkishnavy.net/2015/09/23/foreign-warship-on-bosphorus-2015-part-42/

    Found some more, this time on the southbound passage of 152 Nikolay Filchenkov on the 10th Sept, her second trip in 20 days. One of the responders suggested there could have been a TOS-1 on deck.


    Between 20 August 2015 and 10 September 2015, 4 Ropucha class large landing ships and 1 Alligator class landing ship made their south bound passages through Turkish Straits in addition to The Nikolay Filchenkov’s two passages. Also Kashtan class KIL158 on Sept 9.


    http://turkishnavy.net/2015/09/13/another-southbound-passage-of-nikolay-filchenkov/


    Then there is 150 Saratov heading south on the 7th.

    http://turkishnavy.net/2015/09/08/the-cargo-on-russian-landing-ship-saratov-2/


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    Post  Dima Thu Sep 24, 2015 3:55 am

    Good article by Former Indian Ambassador..

    http://atimes.com/2015/09/russian-build-up-in-syria-puts-israel-on-the-back-foot/

    Russian build-up in Syria puts Israel on the back foot
    By M.K. Bhadrakumar on September 22, 2015 in Asia Times News & Features

    There is a saying, ‘misfortunes never come singly’. That must have been the thought on Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netayahu’s mind as he headed for Moscow Monday on what the Russians described as a 3-hour “short working visit” – a call on President Vladimir Putin at his residence in city suburbs for what a top Kremlin official forecast would be “a business and frank conversation” (read plain-speaking), and back to the airport on the return journey. We don’t know whether Putin hosted a lunch for ‘Bibi’.

    The Russian military build-up in Syria comes as a big setback to Netanyahu’s regional policies. And it comes immediately after the spectacular defeat he suffered in the campaign to kill the Iran nuclear deal.

    In the normal course, the Syrian developments should have prompted Netanyahu to huddle together with the American president, but the White House has earmarked a slot for the Israeli leader in November. The Israel-US relations are in visible difficulty, and on top of it now, a cloud of uncertainty has appeared over Israel-Russia ties as well. It is a moment of reckoning for Israeli diplomacy.

    Netanyahu’s office had said he would discuss with Putin “the stationing of Russian forces in Syria… (and) will present the threats posed to Israel as a result of the increased flow of advanced war material to the Syrian arena and the transfer of deadly weapons to Hezbollah and other terror organizations”.

    But the Kremlin had entirely different ideas. A statement in Moscow said, “Urgent issues of bilateral cooperation and the international agenda are scheduled to be discussed. In particular, the sides are expected to exchange opinions on the issue of the Middle East peace process and the fight against the global terrorist threat.”

    Surely, Russians knew Palestine issue was last thing on Netanyahu’s order of priority, but they gently let it be known to the Israeli side beforehand that Moscow’s military intervention in Syria to help the government fight the terrorist groups no matter what it takes is a well-thought out policy decision that was not open to negotiation.

    Curiously, on the eve of Netanyahu’s departure for Moscow, Russian news agency carried a curtain raiser entitled What Does Netanyahu’s Blitz Visit to Moscow Aim to Accomplish? And it said among other things that Moscow does not regard the Hezbollah as a terrorist organization but that the Lebanese militant group is “assisting the Syrian military in its war against terror groups… including Jabhat al-Nusra and ISIL”.

    The commentary speculated that Netanyahu’s real purpose would be: to fathom the Russian intentions in Syria; to find out additional details about the Russian deployment; to dissuade Russia from giving advanced weaponry such as S-300 and S-400 missiles to Syria; and, to “coordinate” with Moscow so that no military clashes took place between the two countries on Syrian soil. (Israeli chief of staff Gen. Gadi Eizenkot accompanied Netanyahu to Moscow).

    The Russian accounts of the conversation between Putin and Netanyahu on Monday freely acknowledged that the two countries disagreed on Syria. Netanyahu was quoted as saying to Putin that he had come to Moscow “to explain our position and do everything so there are no misunderstandings of our region or yours”. It was a subtle reference to Israel’s activities in Ukraine directed against Russian interests.

    But it is unlikely that Moscow is even remotely contemplating a trade-off with Israel over Ukraine, where tensions are easing, thanks to growing proximity between Russia and the West. Looking back, was it really necessary for Israel to have jumped into the Ukrainian cauldron and caused annoyance to Moscow, without due consideration of consequences?

    The impression conveyed by the Russian accounts is that Putin patiently heard out Netanyahu and showed “understanding” for Israel’s security concerns, but did not make any promises – except of course that Russian actions in Syria will be “very responsible” (as they have always been) and that the Israeli fears of a “second front” in the Golan Heights are far-fetched, because the Syrian government forces have their hands full and have no intentions to start a war with Israel.

    Without doubt, Israel’s dealings with the al-Qaeda affiliates operating in Syria are known to Moscow. In a series of reports to the UN Security Council, the United Nations Disengagement Observer Force documented numerous instances of Israeli military’s dealings with the radical Islamist groups on the Israeli-Syrian border of the Golan Heights.

    Putin said last week, “We must put aside geopolitical ambitions, abandon the so-called double standards, the policy of direct or indirect use of certain terrorist groups for opportunistic purposes, including changes of government and regimes disliked by someone.”

    The description fits Israel’s role in Syria rather aptly, and it stands to reason that Israel’s nexus with the radical Islamist groups in Syria will become – if it hasn’t already – a major element in the Russian policy calculus in the coming period.

    No doubt, the Russian-Israeli relations are set to enter a complicated period. Russia, especially Putin, tried hard to keep the relations on an even keel, but the contradictions over Syria cannot be pushed under the carpet. In the final analysis, it all depends on what the scope of the Russian build-up in Syria is going to be in the coming weeks and months.

    Conceivably, Israel will have to take certain difficult decisions. Syria’s open skies may not remain defenceless for much longer and the country may not present itself as a hunting ground for Israeli jets attacking targets with impunity. This is one thing.

    Second, if Russia puts ‘boots on the ground’ in Syria at some stage – something that cannot entirely be ruled out – Israel faces a power dynamic in its neighborhood that has no precedents in all of its history. Simply put, a far superior power has arrived in the immediate neighborhood and life cannot go on as before.

    Third, it cannot be ruled out that the Syrian government forces in coordination with the Hezbollah and other Shi’ite militia will make attempts at some point to reclaim the areas adjacent to the Golan Heights which have been under the control of the Israel-friendly al-Qaeda groups. If that happens, the security implications are going to be profound for Israel.

    But then, it all depends on the peace process in Syria that is set to begin and the sort of transition that may take place. Russia is neither likely to intervene with Iran or the Hezbollah as regards their activities in the Golan Heights area nor is going to boost the Hezbollah’s capabilities.

    But it stands to reason, though, that neither Iran nor Hezbollah is spoiling for a fight with Israel. On the other hand, Russia and Iran have coordinated their moves in Syria so far and Russia also has a line open to the Hezbollah. Therefore, taking into account the totality of the emergent Russian approach on Syria – and its dominant political and diplomatic thrust – Moscow can be expected to restrain the protagonists from exacerbating tensions with Israel.

    Fourth, the Russian presence in Syria and the Russian-Iranian axis virtually put a full stop to any Israeli dreams of having a voice at the high table as regards the future of Syria. A fragmentation of Syria might be in the Israeli interests but the Russian intervention aims at preserving Syria’s unity and territorial integrity – and there is also an international consensus on that score. Put differently, Israel needs to learn to live with the Syrian neighbor it gets. Geography and politics cannot be wished away.

    Israel would have hoped that there will be a stand-off between the West and Russia over the latter’s military build-up in Syria. But on the contrary, the West is pondering over the terms under which a constructive engagement with Russia becomes possible so as to bring about a transition in Syria very soon.

    Quite obviously, the West is no longer insisting on President Bashar a-Assad stepping down later today as a precondition for the transition. Equally, the West has welcomed the Russian intention to join the war against the Islamic State.

    What Israel probably overlooked in all this is that the Russian build-up in Syria has taken place against the backdrop of the massive refugee crisis that is threatening European security. Moscow correctly judged the shift in Europe’s priorities today and in diplomacy timing is always the essence of the matter. In sum, Moscow resorted to coercive diplomacy and its military dimension should not be exaggerated out of proportions.

    Thus, Europe is nudging the US and Russia to strengthen the fight against the IS and on a parallel track to work together to kick-start a peace process in Syria. Clearly, the centrality of Russia (and Iran) has been conceded by the West – and openly acknowledged even by the US – in the search for a Syrian settlement.

    Over and above, Israel should expect that a US-Iranian dialogue on Syria will commence next week in New York on the sidelines of the UN General Assembly session as part of the intensifying efforts to bring about a transition in Syria.

    (Copyright 2015 Asia Times Holdings Limited, a duly registered Hong Kong company. All rights reserved. Please contact us about sales, syndication and republishing.)
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    Post  Dima Thu Sep 24, 2015 4:00 am

    VARGR198 wrote:I've read a in a couple of places thata Chinese navy ship has traversed the Suez Canal, and is believed to be heading to the russian navy base at Tartous.


    http://southfront.org/chinese-military-personnel-expected-to-arrive-in-syria/?COLLCC=2413430705

    China to assist Syria and Russia in fighting ISIS (and moderate rebels)?
    Pulling in the Chinese and employing 2-3 Type-071 to ferry Russian military supplies to Syria would be helpful.
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    Post  JohninMK Thu Sep 24, 2015 4:10 am

    Dima wrote:Good article by Former Indian Ambassador..

    http://atimes.com/2015/09/russian-build-up-in-syria-puts-israel-on-the-back-foot/

    Excellent find. Good analysis. Thanks
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    Post  medo Thu Sep 24, 2015 4:34 am

    VARGR198 wrote:I've read a in a couple of places thata Chinese navy ship has traversed the Suez Canal, and is believed to be heading to the russian navy base at Tartous.


    http://southfront.org/chinese-military-personnel-expected-to-arrive-in-syria/?COLLCC=2413430705

    China to assist Syria and Russia in fighting ISIS (and moderate rebels)?

    Chinese contingent will mean, this is actually SCO intervention in Syria. China will most probably use the same route through Iran and Iraq to deploy their jets and transport planes with needed material. Maybe China will also bring their big UCAVs to bomb terrorists inside Syria and Iraq. We will see, what China will bring there. Anyway, Russia and China together in ME will have different weight than just Russia alone. Maybe China will also station their base inside Iran too to engage ISIS in Iraq. That will for sure change balance in ME.
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    Post  max steel Thu Sep 24, 2015 4:43 am

    It's high time already for China they better join in otherwise how will they gain experience ? It'll be considered as a paper tiger only . Use your US like global hawk drones etc ... chinese are working on their own global communication system baidu use it .
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    Post  Algerian Major Thu Sep 24, 2015 4:46 am

    There are needs that the SAA is using Russian UCAV for the first time, the source is RT. Could it be the skot
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    Post  JohninMK Thu Sep 24, 2015 4:55 am

    Update on the planes at Latakia

    Satellite imagery released in the last couple of days has exposed the presence of 28 Russian aircraft at al-Assad airfield, near Latakia, in western Syria.

    The photographs taken from space gave us the possibility to identify the combat planes as 4x Su-30SMs, 12x Su-25s (based on their color scheme, these are Su-25SMs belonging to the 368th Assault Aviation Regiment from Budyonnovsk) and 12 Su-24M2s along with about a dozen helicopters, including 10 Mi-24PN, Mi-35M and a couple of Mi-8AMTSh choppers, from the 387th Army Aviation Air Base Budyonnovsk.

    One of our sources with IMINT Imagery Intel experience, who has had access to the imagery in the public domain, noticed something interesting on one of the Su-30SM: the first on the left (the one closer to the runway threshold) should be equipped with a KNIRTI SPS-171 / L005S Sorbtsiya-S mid/high band defensive jammer (ECM) at the wing tips. To be honest this is almost impossible to verify unless more high-resolution images become available.

    Whilst satellite shots provided much details about the deployed assets, they obviously didn’t help answer the basic question: how did they manage to reach Syria undetected?

    According to one source close who wishes to remain anonymous, the Russian combat planes have probably deployed to Latakia trailing the cargo planes that were tracked flying to Syria and back on Flightradar24.com, something that other analysts have also suggested.

    There is someone who believes that during their ferry flight, some if not all the formation (each made of a cargo plane and four accompanying fast jets) may have made a stopover in Iran before flying the last leg to Latakia. This would also explain why some Il-76s (with an endurance that would allow a non-stop fly from Russia to Latakia) were observed stopping at Hamadan on Sept. 18-19, just before the Sukhois started appearing on the tarmac at Latakia.


    http://theaviationist.com/2015/09/23/how-the-russians-deployed-28-aircraft-to-syria/
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    Post  medo Thu Sep 24, 2015 5:00 am

    Algerian Major wrote:There are needs that the SAA is using Russian UCAV for the first time, the source is RT.  Could it be the skot

    Russia doesn't have UCAVs, so they are most probably Iranian or Chinese UCAVs. Considering, that China may also join the show, it is possible, that Russia bring Chinese drones and deliver them to Syria.
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    Post  Algerian Major Thu Sep 24, 2015 5:03 am

    JohninMK wrote:Update on the planes at Latakia

    [i]Satellite imagery released in the last couple of days has exposed the presence of 28 Russian aircraft at al-Assad airfield, near Latakia, in western Syria.

    The photographs taken from space gave us the possibility to identify the combat planes as 4x Su-30SMs, 12x Su-25s (based on their color scheme, these are Su-25SMs belonging to the 368th Assault Aviation Regiment from Budyonnovsk) and 12 Su-24M2s along with about a dozen helicopters, including 10 Mi-24PN, Mi-35M and a couple of Mi-8AMTSh choppers, from the 387th Army Aviation Air Base Budyonnovsk.

    One of our sources with IMINT Imagery Intel experience, who has had access to the imagery in the public domain, noticed something interesting on one of the Su-30SM: the first on the left (the one closer to the runway threshold) should be equipped with a KNIRTI SPS-171 / L005S Sorbtsiya-S mid/high band defensive jammer (ECM) at the wing tips. To be honest this is almost impossible to verify unless more high-resolution images become available.

    Whilst satellite shots provided much details about the deployed assets, they obviously didn’t help answer the basic question: how did they manage to reach Syria undetected?

    According to one source close who wishes to remain anonymous, the Russian combat planes have probably deployed to Latakia trailing the cargo planes that were tracked flying to Syria and back on Flightradar24.com, something that other analysts have also suggested.

    There is someone who believes that during their ferry flight, some if not all the formation (each made of a cargo plane and four accompanying fast jets) may have made a stopover in Iran before flying the last leg to Latakia. This would also explain why some Il-76s (with an endurance that would allow a non-stop fly from Russia to Latakia) were observed stopping at Hamadan on Sept. 18-19, just before the Sukhois started appearing on the tarmac

    How about that they were transported from Algeria and not from Russia directly, after all they wouldn't expect large military convoys from Algeria. The USSR transported entire regiments to Cuba in 1962

    And how about recon drones, the petchela-1C can be pretty useful for recon
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    Post  medo Thu Sep 24, 2015 5:14 am

    Algerian Major wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:Update on the planes at Latakia

    [i]Satellite imagery released in the last couple of days has exposed the presence of 28 Russian aircraft at al-Assad airfield, near Latakia, in western Syria.

    The photographs taken from space gave us the possibility to identify the combat planes as 4x Su-30SMs, 12x Su-25s (based on their color scheme, these are Su-25SMs belonging to the 368th Assault Aviation Regiment from Budyonnovsk) and 12 Su-24M2s along with about a dozen helicopters, including 10 Mi-24PN, Mi-35M and a couple of Mi-8AMTSh choppers, from the 387th Army Aviation Air Base Budyonnovsk.

    One of our sources with IMINT Imagery Intel experience, who has had access to the imagery in the public domain, noticed something interesting on one of the Su-30SM: the first on the left (the one closer to the runway threshold) should be equipped with a KNIRTI SPS-171 / L005S Sorbtsiya-S mid/high band defensive jammer (ECM) at the wing tips. To be honest this is almost impossible to verify unless more high-resolution images become available.

    Whilst satellite shots provided much details about the deployed assets, they obviously didn’t help answer the basic question: how did they manage to reach Syria undetected?

    According to one source close who wishes to remain anonymous, the Russian combat planes have probably deployed to Latakia trailing the cargo planes that were tracked flying to Syria and back on Flightradar24.com, something that other analysts have also suggested.

    There is someone who believes that during their ferry flight, some if not all the formation (each made of a cargo plane and four accompanying fast jets) may have made a stopover in Iran before flying the last leg to Latakia. This would also explain why some Il-76s (with an endurance that would allow a non-stop fly from Russia to Latakia) were observed stopping at Hamadan on Sept. 18-19, just before the Sukhois started appearing on the tarmac

    How about that they were transported from Algeria and not from Russia directly, after all they wouldn't expect large military convoys from Algeria. The USSR transported entire regiments to Cuba in 1962

    And how about recon drones, the petchela-1C can be pretty useful for recon

    Of course Pchela drone is useful as it is recon drone, but is a little too big and have too short range. Russia have now far smaller and lighter drones like Orlan-10 and are most probably retiring old Pchelas and send them to Syrian army similarly as those Iveco LMVs.
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    Post  max steel Thu Sep 24, 2015 5:15 am

    Putin’s Plan: What Will Russia Bomb in Syria?

    http://carnegieendowment.org/syriaincrisis/?fa=61386


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    Post  mutantsushi Thu Sep 24, 2015 5:28 am

    I made a map showing coverage of Russian S-300 PMU2 (195 km) in purported deployment zones/bases.
    Even without deployment in Aleppo, that front is covered including the area north of city between ISIS/AN/Kurd fronts
    (that had been basis of planned Turkish NFZ/"buffer zone")
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    There is so much overlapping that I doubt they would actually deploy into all of these cities/bases, but several can be dropped while maintaining equivalent coverage.

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