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    Post  sepheronx on Fri Sep 18, 2015 6:27 pm



    Tent village in Hama for roughly 500 people. I suppose more will be built as well.
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    Post  Flyboy77 on Fri Sep 18, 2015 7:18 pm



    Russia Sends Warplanes To Syria To Join Fight Against ISIS

    NPR has learned that four Russian attack aircraft have landed in Syria as part of an effort by Moscow to support the regime of Bashar al-Assad against Islamic State militants.

    Pentagon Correspondent Tom Bowman says the Sukhoi jets, known by the NATO designation "Flanker" have been deployed at a forward operating base at Latakia, on the Mediterranean coast, along with four attack helicopters and four transport planes. Moscow plans to dispatch more aircraft, Tom says.

    Meanwhile, during a nearly hour-long call, Secretary of Defense Ash Carter and his Russian counterpart, Sergei Shoigu, agreed to make sure the respective militaries "steer clear of each other as they each carry out operations against ISIS," Tom says.

    http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/09/18/441465930/russia-sends-warplanes-to-syria-to-join-fight-against-isis

    Only source so far so don't know how true it is. We'll see in the coming days.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Fri Sep 18, 2015 7:29 pm

    Khepesh wrote:If Syria asks for help and Russia agrees, then America cannot complain as US General Lloyd Austin has admitted that US special forces are already in Syria fighting for Kurds. I cannot find the English original of his announcement. And these "people" are "partners".....

    .........................

    Trust me buddy, politeness is not just a virtue, it is a strategic asset.

    Remember during Crimea shindig when EU morons kept screaming "ebil Russian nazi commie invaders!!!!!11!!!!1" before severing ties and introducing sanctions?  

    Well, now the sanctions are coming back to bite them on the ass big time and all of them wish they could backtrack on it but they can't because they got themselves boxed in with their big mouth and small brain.

    Words cost nothing. There are partners and there are "partners". USA are latter example.Cool
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    Post  par far on Fri Sep 18, 2015 9:04 pm

    Khepesh wrote:If Syria asks for help and Russia agrees, then America cannot complain as US General Lloyd Austin has admitted that US special forces are already in Syria fighting for Kurds. I cannot find the English original of his announcement. And these "people" are "partners".....


    U.S. Special forces have been there for a long time, these bastards are just lying, if they say they just got there.
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    Post  flamming_python on Fri Sep 18, 2015 10:07 pm

    par far wrote:
    Khepesh wrote:If Syria asks for help and Russia agrees, then America cannot complain as US General Lloyd Austin has admitted that US special forces are already in Syria fighting for Kurds. I cannot find the English original of his announcement. And these "people" are "partners".....


    U.S. Special forces have been there for a long time, these bastards are just lying, if they say they just got there.

    Funnily enough, I have the same suspicions about Russia cheers
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    Post  Vann7 on Fri Sep 18, 2015 10:34 pm

    Flyboy77 wrote:Interesting article on the Russian deployment at the airbase in Latakia with Satellite photo. Hopeful these photos don't get people kill by giving Intel to the enemy forces in the area.  No



    https://www.stratfor.com/analysis/russia-fortifies-its-position-syria

    This is exactly the reason.. why they upload the images for public view.. with details what is
    what and how it positioned.  This is to facilitate Alqaeda fighting Against Russia. The whole
    Syrian Conflict is a proxy war of US anglozionist Elite and Israel with its coalition of middle east puppets against Russia.  ISIS receive intelligence and logistic from US airforce drones ,to better coordinate their fights against the Syrian Army.  The good thing now vs the start of the conflict
    is that Russia now have a clear idea of what weapons the terrorist have..and their positions after 4 years of war. and should have developed already weapons to better counter Alqaeda and ISIS..
    According to Syrianperpective. already 200 Russian marines are in Hama ,defending a 500 civilians refugees camp they have setup.. and that the Russian government have provided new weapons to the Syrian army specifically made to kill Alqaeda roedents that hides in tunnels underground whenever airforce shows to bomb them..and burn them alives even if they hide in tunnels.  Cool   So we should see in this war.. very exotic weapons .

    you can read more about Russia new weapons help to Syria..


    The Syrian Army and Air Force dealt massive blows to the slime in the northeast of this coastal province, right at the Turk border.  All villages to the north of Jabal Yunus (Jonah) Summit and the abandoned Kurdish town of Salmaa were incinerated by new air-to-ground missiles just recently developed for use in anti-insurgency warfare.  At Kitf Al-Ghanama, Tallat Al-Mallooha, Tallat Al-Rashwaan, Nusra/Alqaeda vermin were dry roasted even if they were not directly struck by the rockets.   These new missiles, used only in areas abandoned by civilians, such as here, create a halo of fire which radiates out to scorch even rats hiding inside caves or tunnels.  This is a major game-changer and the word is out.  Rodents in Turk-Occupied Syria are now aware that they can no longer hide behind natural outcrops of rocks.

    http://syrianperspective.com/2015/09/latakia-terrorists-taste-new-russian-rockets-as-syrian-army-flattens-rodents-at-turk-border.html

    American media in the other hand their US hired cheerleaders... what they really care is not saving the lives of Syrians.. but that if Russia defeats ISIL ,it will push them out ,their leadership position in the middle east.. and end their excuses to continue in Syria and simply
    forced to admit they are in an undeclared war against the Syrian Government.
    The only thing this arrogant American Neocons ,Inhuman beings care.. is their Nation image as super power..to not lose it.. And could care less if ISIL exterminate millions of civilians in Syria and IRAQ.

    People should be warned.. that the American Government ,British Government and Israel and its media not only will continue a demonizing campaign against Russia "Escalating the violence"
    in Syria.. propaganda..  But expect to see a LOT of False flags attacks of civilians killed blamed
    on Russia ..or Assad. and expect lots of fake reports of Russian army soldiers "killed in Syria".
    by what they will call will be "Syrian Opposition" to Assad.  So NATO perfectly is capable to stage mass executions of Syrian soldiers in hollywood studios ,and later show them in all media.
    the goal will be to provoke unrest in Russia..and damage Putin image .

    You can see this fake actors are already being used to stage ISIL "beheadings" on Americans
    journalist.



    All those videos of "ISIL" beheading American and British journalist are all fake..
    people have to wonder which halloween boutique in the middle of a warzone, they get all those brand new Guantanamo clothing that perfectly fits prisoners of different size. Also the prisoners
    walking in a very hot environment in the desert without any signs of heat or dirt in their uniforms.

    Moral of the story . be ready for a lot of hollywood propaganda ,made in proffessional film studios with actors of " Russian soldiers killed" in the thousands and behead , "Russian combat planes shut down" or civilians being bombed and blamed on Russia. It is also possible they could provoke a major false flag in US cities.. and blame ISIS and use that event to get
    dumb Americans behind the government and justify a full scale invasion of Syria.
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    Post  KoTeMoRe on Fri Sep 18, 2015 11:03 pm

    medo wrote:Syrian official request for Russian military help through UN will made Russian military engagement in Syria legal under international law. Actually it would be better, if Syria send this request to whole SCO alliance, that China could as well send their contingent to Syria.

    China needs only to send some of that Sweet HJ-12 for testing and cash. Persians can deal with the core of the contingent, Russians with much of the hardware.
    Let it be, let it be.
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    Post  max steel on Fri Sep 18, 2015 11:08 pm

    Communication, at last.

    As Moscow Sends Fighter Jets Into Syria, US and Russian Defense Chiefs Open Talks


    http://www.defenseone.com/threats/2015/09/moscow-sends-fighter-jets-syria-us-and-russian-defense-chiefs-open-talks/121442/?oref=DefenseOneFB
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    Post  par far on Fri Sep 18, 2015 11:28 pm

    medo wrote:Syrian official request for Russian military help through UN will made Russian military engagement in Syria legal under international law. Actually it would be better, if Syria send this request to whole SCO alliance, that China could as well send their contingent to Syria.


    If Russia does sent in troops to Syria, will they be Special forces or regular army troops and what kinds of weapons will they be taking? Will the soldiers have Ratnik gear?
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    Post  ultron on Fri Sep 18, 2015 11:38 pm

    max steel wrote:Communication, at last.

    As Moscow Sends Fighter Jets Into Syria, US and Russian Defense Chiefs Open Talks

    These talks are useless as always. The US says, if you send troops to Syria, I'll send TOWs and Stingers to Qaeda and make you eat another Afghanistan. Rolling Eyes  Why even bother talking to the US. Just give them the finger. The US is not a partner of Russia. Never was, never is, never will be.

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    Post  mack8 on Fri Sep 18, 2015 11:41 pm

    Allegedly what appers to be a Su-30 aircraft has been spotted in Syria.
    http://www.forcesdz.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=38&t=59&start=8310

    I will only say this. They better be very careful about this, because if russian troops will take an active role in Syria this is exactly what the american scumbags would use as an opportunity to turn it against the russian government, ie trying their damnest (read, supply intelligence and any other form of support) to get the ISIS and other jihadist rats to kill russian troops.

    Before getting russian troops involved directly (if they really plan on that), first arm Syria with all that was contracted and what it needs, MiGs, Yaks, S-300s (for deterence), attack and transport helos, APCs, tanks, infantry weapons, and arm Iran with whatever it needs to support it's operation in Syria and better deter the US, israelis and the GCC.
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    Post  KoTeMoRe on Fri Sep 18, 2015 11:46 pm

    ultron wrote:
    max steel wrote:Communication, at last.

    As Moscow Sends Fighter Jets Into Syria, US and Russian Defense Chiefs Open Talks

    These talks are useless as always. The US says, if you send troops to Syria, I'll send TOWs and Stingers to Qaeda and make you eat another Afghanistan. Rolling Eyes  Why bother even talking to the US. Just give them the finger. The US is not a partner of Russia. Never was, never is, never will be.

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    Stingers and Tows would be as useful here as a crutch to a newborn. With correct planing Russians can inflict heavy casualties by standoff tactics in very little time. Then follow up with Air harassment or CAS. When the bodies start piling up by the thousand. Then you'll see a completely different Syrian battlefield. All I wan't is Tu-22's doing Shocksi and AWski. But the problem wouldn't be solved. Until Turkey plays that game. So In conjunction with Syrian campaign, Arming Kurds should be an option.
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    Post  ultron on Fri Sep 18, 2015 11:53 pm

    KoTeMoRe wrote:Stingers and Tows would be as useful here as a crutch to a newborn. With correct planing Russians can inflict heavy casualties by standoff tactics in very little time. Then follow up with Air harassment or CAS. When the bodies start piling up by the thousand. Then you'll see a completely different Syrian battlefield. All I wan't is Tu-22's doing Shocksi and AWski. But the problem wouldn't be solved. Until Turkey plays that game. So In conjunction with Syrian campaign, Arming Kurds should be an option.    

    Qaeda has control of the border with Jordan and Turkey. What if the US sends Patriots and Paladins to Qaeda via Jordan and Turkey? Things could get messy. Best strategy for Russia is to use drones for recon and long range artillery for pummeling and let SAA do the grunt work. We'll also need Iran to deploy soldiers to seal off Syria's borders with Jordan and Turkey, much like how Hezbollah sealed off Syria's border with Lebanon.
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    Post  JohninMK on Sat Sep 19, 2015 12:13 am

    ultron wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:Stingers and Tows would be as useful here as a crutch to a newborn. With correct planing Russians can inflict heavy casualties by standoff tactics in very little time. Then follow up with Air harassment or CAS. When the bodies start piling up by the thousand. Then you'll see a completely different Syrian battlefield. All I wan't is Tu-22's doing Shocksi and AWski. But the problem wouldn't be solved. Until Turkey plays that game. So In conjunction with Syrian campaign, Arming Kurds should be an option.    

    Qaeda has control of the border with Jordan and Turkey. What if the US sends Patriots and Paladins to Qaeda via Jordan and Turkey? Things could get messy. Best strategy for Russia is to use drones for recon and long range artillery for pummeling and let SAA do the grunt work. We'll also need Iran to deploy soldiers to seal off Syria's borders with Jordan and Turkey, much like how Hezbollah sealed off Syria's border with Lebanon.
    Not sure if that is a serious comment. A Patriot systems requires some serious training to operate and is a convoy of trucks. It is not a MANPAD. Iranian soldiers on the Syria/Jordan border?
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    Post  d_taddei2 on Sat Sep 19, 2015 12:59 am

    i would imagine patriots would not be on the cards, especially if any were to be captured by SAA or ISIS, and like what has been said already its not something you can learn in a week. I think if anything it will be stingers and the avenger system, and any other anti tank weapons and small arms they are willing to give.

    the Best tactic for this is to hit them hard and fast giving the USA not time to properly arm them in time, so that the SAA can gain as much ground and kill as many as possible before the weapons arrive, then they can go on a plan to deal with the stingers etc when they arrive. But think they will need to build up a strong air defence especially against the Israeli's who think they can just fly into any country and bomb it without any retribution. Pantsir and upgraded S-300 should do the trick. I think to begin with spetznaz,  naval and airbourne troops will be used first, and the longer it goes on the more you will see regular Russian troops being used.  other systems you may start to see arriving will be 2S19 Msta-S, 2S3, 2S4 Tulpan, 2S7 Pion, 2S23 Nona-SVK, TOS-1A and other MLRS systems, Russia has loads of BM-21 that will be getting replaced by tornado systems so ideal to send BM-21's. Ural and Kamaz typhoon would be pretty useful, as well converting some T-72's to BMPT. It will be interesting in Tocka and Iskander will be used, you can take a lot of scum pretty quickly with one of those, only real problem is civilian casualties with using them but same could be said for MLRS systems. Russia could off load some BMP-1's and BMP-2's, and any T-62/T-64/T-72's to help bolster SAA. AT-4, AT-5 and RPO's would be handy also.


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    Post  mutantsushi on Sat Sep 19, 2015 1:21 am

    Never mind that Patriots stationed in Turkey can easily cover the entire northern front within their engagement envelope.
    And NATO has in fact been WITHDRAWING (or announcing imminent withdrawal) of Patriots they sent to southern Turkey.
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    Post  ultron on Sat Sep 19, 2015 3:44 am

    What is this? MiG-29?

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    Post  GarryB on Sat Sep 19, 2015 4:57 am

    If Russia sends troops to Syria they will likely be VDV in Ratnik.

    They may also send GRU spetsnaz to support Syrian units to call air support etc.

    If the US wants to supply stingers and Javelin to ISIL they might find US troops in Iraq and Afghanistan and around the world being fired upon by Javelin and Stinger... Their forces are rather more exposed to that sort of threat than Russian forces are or will be.
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    Post  George1 on Sat Sep 19, 2015 5:01 am

    It would be interesting to see the first Russian troops deployment in a non ex-soviet space or ex-eastern europe space after Afghanistan war
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    Post  Flyboy77 on Sat Sep 19, 2015 5:48 am

    ultron wrote:What is this? MiG-29?

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    Definitely a Flanker though hard to tell what model for sure by the tail it looks like a Su-30M2. If it is a SU-30M2 its a weird choice as it was meant to be used as a training aircraft for the Su-27SM upgrades. I would of thought they'd deploy Su-34 or SU-24.
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    Post  Flyboy77 on Sat Sep 19, 2015 6:02 am

    Interesting video. Judging by the uniform and the pimped out AK it looks like his from some special forces unit. Probably acting as a advisor for the SAA for the moment. Can anyone translate what is said?



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    Post  George1 on Sat Sep 19, 2015 6:02 am

    Flyboy77 wrote:
    Definitely a Flanker though hard to tell what model for sure by the tail it looks like a Su-30M2. If it is a SU-30M2 its a weird choice as it was meant to be used as a training aircraft for the Su-27SM upgrades. I would of thought they'd deploy Su-34 or SU-24.

    in Greek media i read also about Su-30M2. If it so, then from which airspace flew to Syria? through Iran - Iraq ?
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    Post  Book. on Sat Sep 19, 2015 9:54 am

    I think go silent. boat or plane
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    Post  ult on Sat Sep 19, 2015 10:12 am

    Flyboy77 wrote:Interesting video. Judging by the uniform and the pimped out AK it looks like his from some special forces unit. Probably acting as a advisor for the SAA for the moment. Can anyone translate what is said?

    "Excellent. The target is hit." - "Отлично. Есть попадание."
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    Post  medo on Sat Sep 19, 2015 11:18 am

    ultron wrote:What is this? MiG-29?

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    It's a Flanker, not a MiG-29. It's difficult to say, but it could be a single seater Su-27. If Su-30M2 is there, than there could be a mixed unit of Su-27SM and Su-30M2. Anyway, both are capable of ground attacks with PGMs and use R-77-1 for self protection. If they are actually in Syria, than I'm sure they will be the first to receive those missiles.

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