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    T-90 Main Battle Tank #2

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    Post  sepheronx Fri Dec 30, 2022 10:34 pm

    Actually VDV can operate tanks and earlier in the years it was T-62's. Now I'm unsure if they are heavily trained in tanks but I would bet they are.

    Russian marines as well were the ones heavily using tanks. Same with army units that are used, hence where majority of the t90M's are going. Wagner us actually doing a huge amount of fighting in 1 particular area while rest is actually Russian proper military. Wagner is used as scouts in other areas but their main task which seems to be somewhat of a personal thing at this point, is Bhakmut.

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    Post  caveat emptor Sat Dec 31, 2022 1:21 am

    Russian Marine brigades always have a tank battalion in its structure.

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    Post  Isos Sat Dec 31, 2022 7:21 am

    That's why they give Wagner besr tanks. They use them effectively.

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    Post  flamming_python Sat Dec 31, 2022 7:50 am

    Mercenaries are much more motivated and much more cautious since they don't have the support from the gov. They are better soldiers.

    Wagner did all the job in Syria and now iq doing much of the offensives in Ukraine. They are way better than russian army soldiers. That's why they get the best tanks. Much more useful with wagner than wit russian army.

    Wagner didn't do much of note in Syria, unless I've forgotten something

    It was most involved in the Central African Republic, although it's role there is geared more towards training the CAR military, than directly fighting

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    Post  ALAMO Sat Dec 31, 2022 8:02 am

    Post caveat emptor Today at 6:21 am

    Russian Marine brigades always have a tank battalion in its structure.


    Yup.
    And an interesting detail, the T-55s with Drozd APS were mainly in their hands back in Afghan.

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    Post  flamming_python Sat Dec 31, 2022 9:37 am

    Yup.
    And an interesting detail, the T-55s with Drozd APS were mainly in their hands back in Afghan.

    And until fairly recently, in fact

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    Post  Hole Sat Dec 31, 2022 11:18 am

    They are way better than russian army soldiers. 
    They are russian soldiers. Maybe some have more combat experience but that´s normal for "mercenaries".

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    The Wagner T-90M. Sorry if double post.

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    Post  GarryB Sun Jan 01, 2023 1:37 am

    Even the slowest hunter could track that animal in the wild... it is unusual to see a relatively light tank sink into the ground like that... but then that is probably why they are waiting for the ground to get properly hard...

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    Post  lyle6 Sun Jan 08, 2023 12:58 am



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    Post  Cyrus the great Mon Jan 09, 2023 5:52 am

    General Dynamics has showcased a prototype of an extensively upgraded Abrams -> the Abrams X tank; it now has an autoloader and places 3 crew members in the hull and the tank is around 13 tons lighter than the current M1a2 Abrams...

    ..So could the T-90M place all 3 crew members in the hull as well?

    The T-14 Armata isolates the crew from the ammunition behind 1 metre of armour; the hull length of the T-90M is significantly less but any separation would be beneficial and would at least protect the crew from propellant explosions.
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    Post  flamming_python Mon Jan 09, 2023 9:07 am

    You might as well create a new tank if you want to redesign the T-90 internals that extensively

    Which they did - the T-14

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    Post  Isos Mon Jan 09, 2023 10:23 am

    T-90M isn't cheap. Redesigning it will just increase its cost. They already have the t-14 like you say as a new tank. No need to work more on t-90, just build it until t-14 is produced at high speed.

    One thing they can do is keep upgrading those old tanks. They are just piece of metal so it's easy to stick new ERA or new protections. Rest is good.

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    Post  GarryB Mon Jan 09, 2023 3:59 pm

    ..So could the T-90M place all 3 crew members in the hull as well?

    They can, and they did... the first version of Coalition uses a T-90 chassis with a Coalition turret... the Coalition turret is unmanned with an autoloader, so the crew of three are in the T-90 hull AFAIK.

    The point is that if they converted the T-90 to have the crew in the hull then the obvious next solution would be to fit it with the turret of the T-14 which lacks the heavy front armour protecting the two crew positions, which would save a lot of weight and make the vehicle much lighter and more mobile, but I would expect three crew in the hull would be a bit cramped and not totally ideal... like most modern tanks the heaviest armour on the T-90 is the turret cheeks and not the hull front like it is on the T-14.

    With new optics and auto systems it might be possible to reduce the tank crew to two or zero, which is probably where the upgraded T-72s and T-80s and T-90s might be headed... remote control drone vehicles controlled by remote crew using VR headsets like War Thunder with a god view provided by a tethered drone that they drive forward into enemy positions shooting up anything and everything...

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    Post  caveat emptor Mon Jan 09, 2023 4:26 pm

    Svatovo front. Video of T-90M in action. At one point, Ukrainians tried to hit the tank with ATGM, but tank activated smoke screen system.

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    Post  limb Mon Jan 09, 2023 5:35 pm

    Finally a russian tank using smoke grenades. for some reason no older russian tank has footage of it using them.
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    Post  GarryB Mon Jan 09, 2023 7:33 pm

    Older tanks would be less likely to see the thermal plume of an incoming missile. T-90Ms have thermals... nice French ones.

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    Post  lyle6 Mon Jan 09, 2023 7:36 pm

    Basically for tanks to guarantee sufficient ballistic protection against newer anti-armor threats they are all but forced to implement an all-or-nothing armor scheme. In the T-14 the crew are placed in a capsule behind the monolith glacis with the side armor panels reinforced with heavy ERA skirts. A bit further back you have the combat compartment with the ammo carousel and behind it the fuel tank and finally the powerpack.This makes for a very efficient use of the heavy glacis armor with the caveat that anything that pierces that armor is almost always going to cause catastrophic damage because of how tightly packed everything is in the hull.

    If it isn't obvious the AbramsX does not subscribe to this pattern. For some reason they chose to implement a bustle mount conveyor autoloader which required heavy armor to protect. That heavy armor is only going to be protecting the ammo and maybe the gun or the crew in case of manual turret operation - its very inefficient. Its also almost impossible to guarantee sufficient protection when you have nearly twice the profile to armor. They're better off ditching the crew capsule idea for an uparmored Leclerc. Or better yet, just resurrect the TTB.

    As for why they designed a new hull for their new MBT instead of reusing the T-90's , the main reason is the armor. The glacis of T-90 suffers from an intentional cutout made for the driver. Its not rrally that bad compared to contemporaries which similarly skimped on the glacis, but if you are going to place everything behind it the armor better not have any gaps or weakspots.

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    Post  The-thing-next-door Tue Jan 10, 2023 8:50 am

    The abrams-x likely has rather little armor for the ammunition compartment, protection from autocannon at most, even the Black Eagle did not properly protect the ammunition compartment.

    As can be seen in this photograph the turret bustle where the ammunition is located is higher than the low profile front part of the turret and the bustle does not have room for much armour on it's front face.
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    Post  ALAMO Tue Jan 10, 2023 9:14 am

    nice French ones.

    Actually no, not Froggy ones.
    First, Catherine was produced locally in Russia for about a decade. We talk the XP version. In Volgograd.
    Second, the servicing and assembling go for even longer, it was established back in 2007 (or 2008?). We talk the FC version.

    Both were used in Russian weapons, but for 90M Sosna-U was replaced by PNM-T which uses a Russian thermal imager with the Russian Orion-made matrix. Fully Russian, and I guess the only one produced in Russia at the moment.

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    Post  lancelot Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:19 am

    http://mil.today/2017/Weapons52/

    In 2016, the Krasnogorsk plant finished tests of the heat-vision sighting system Irbis for modernized tanks T-80U and T-90. The sights will be supplied to the army after 2017 under the already concluded contract, says the manufacturer’s annual reporting. According to the experts of Mil.Today, commissioning of the new sight will for the first time give Russian tankers a homemade thermal vision device based on the mercury-cadmium-telluride (MCT) matrix, which will bridge a gap between the leading NATO countries in this area.
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    For the first time the new tank gunner’s heat-vision sight Irbis-K and the commander’s combined sighting and observation system Agat-MDT were presented at the Engineering Technologies 2012 exhibition. Allegedly, both systems are based on Russian-made components.

    According to the publicized characteristics, the tank heat-vision system Irbis-K is designed for T-80 and T-90 tanks.

    The sight is capable to identify targets at the range up to 3,240 meters day and night. Its spectral range is 8-12 micron (while in 2012 this parameter was declared as 7-12 micron). The photodetector type is submatrix, 4*288 elements. Wide field of view is at least 6.8 per 9 degrees, narrow field of view – at least 2.3 per 3 degrees.
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    The heat-vision sight operates in tandem with the commander’s combined sighting and observation system Agat-MDT. In 2012, this device was codenamed as TO1-KO 4DT.

    Spectral range of its photodetector is 3-5 micron, representing a cooled matrix with resolution of 320*256 pixels. Identification range is up to 2.5 km, an option of double range is also available.

    This has pictures of the TO1-KO 4DT with Irbis-K.
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    Post  Hole Tue Jan 10, 2023 11:34 am

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    Post  ludovicense Tue Jan 10, 2023 5:00 pm

    The unanswered question is: how many can be produced per month?
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    Post  Podlodka77 Thu Jan 12, 2023 2:53 pm

    New T-90M's again....

    January 12, 09:01,
    updated January 12, 09:49

    "Uralvagonzavod" sent the Ministry of Defense a new batch of tanks T-90M "Breakthrough"


    The company announced the successful completion of the contract

    MOSCOW, January 12. /TASS/. Uralvagonzavod has sent a new batch of modernized T-90M Proryv tanks to the RF Ministry of Defense. The company announced this on Thursday.
    Uralvagonzavod (part of the UVZ concern, part of the Rostec state corporation) has successfully completed another contract for the supply of T-90M Proryv tanks. A batch of armored vehicles has already been sent to the Russian Ministry of Defense.

    The company emphasized that the conveyors for the production of tanks in Nizhny Tagil work around the clock.

    According to Denis Manturov, Deputy Prime Minister - Head of the Ministry of Industry and Trade of the Russian Federation, whose words are quoted in the message, a new turret, a new generation of dynamic protection, a new gun, modern communications and a more powerful engine have been installed on the tanks. "They are equipped with modern equipment that allows the tank crew to effectively hit targets. UVZ completed the task set under the state defense order on time," he added.

    T-90M

    The T-90M "Breakthrough" tank is the most advanced vehicle in the T-90 family, as well as the most adapted to operations in modern combat conditions, including due to the presence of all-aspect protection, a modern all-day highly automated fire control system and the implementation of measures to increase survivability.

    The car received a fundamentally new tower, different from the serial one, and a more powerful engine (1,130 hp). The Proryv is equipped with a 125-millimeter tank gun, which provides the use of new high-power ammunition, as well as a guided missile, which allows you to destroy enemy tanks at a distance of up to 5 km. The new multi-channel sight ensures the use of weapons at any time of the day. In addition, the ability to exchange data with other vehicles in real time has become one of the main features of the upgraded tank.

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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg Thu Jan 12, 2023 4:25 pm

    Does the T-90M have a turret bustle?

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