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    Post  GarryB 24/06/21, 05:09 pm

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    Post  Russian_Patriot_ 11/07/21, 03:20 pm

    Visual differences between the front projection of the T-90A and T-90M tanks
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    Post  Arrow 11/08/21, 12:04 am

    https://youtu.be/qREtY2bZYUI
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    Post  The_Observer 11/08/21, 06:58 am

    Arrow wrote:https://youtu.be/qREtY2bZYUI

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    Post  George1 13/08/21, 06:04 pm

    The Russian Defense Ministry received 26 T-90M tanks

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4370714.html

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    Post  Russian_Patriot_ 23/08/21, 10:46 pm

    In Volgograd, a forgotten T-90A tank was found at an abandoned airfield:
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    Idiots...

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    Post  Broski 24/08/21, 05:09 pm

    Who the hell abandons a T-90? That's like losing a Ferrari F40.
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    Post  flamming_python 24/08/21, 05:37 pm

    Broski wrote:Who the hell abandons a T-90? That's like losing a Ferrari F40.

    Someone who already has more tanks than sense

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    Post  TMA1 24/08/21, 06:14 pm

    If it was a stalker tier scenario I would try and dismantle the targeting system to get at the infrared elements.

    And dang ruskies you got so many tanks they just laying around!
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    Post  GarryB 25/08/21, 07:41 am

    It is likely what happens when bean counters change numbers to match the actual count rather than get off their asses and work out where the missing vehicle is...

    It is like that teacher at school who, on field trips would say.... is everyone here? And when everyone says yes except for those that are missing and obviously don't hear him, and then the group moves on to the next thing...

    With a kid there will be parents wanting to know where their child is, but with an armoured vehicle... it must have been a miscount before and this one does not exist... so delete it from all lists and it wont be missed.

    You would not believe what goes missing from military stores...
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    Post  TMA1 25/08/21, 07:50 am

    GarryB wrote:It is likely what happens when bean counters change numbers to match the actual count rather than get off their asses and work out where the missing vehicle is...

    It is like that teacher at school who, on field trips would say.... is everyone here? And when everyone says yes except for those that are missing and obviously don't hear him, and then the group moves on to the next thing...

    With a kid there will be parents wanting to know where their child is, but with an armoured vehicle... it must have been a miscount before and this one does not exist... so delete it from all lists and it wont be missed.

    You would not believe what goes missing from military stores...

    True! Was an army brat. Lived on base for a while. A couple times the base would go on lockdown. A common explanation was "missing night vision equipment". Come to find out from others I talk to this is frequently the cover story given for all kinds of very serious sh** that goes missing. Serious weaponry included.
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    Post  william.boutros 25/08/21, 02:02 pm

    Any information about the final configuration of the T-90MS breakthrough?

    1- Which sights
    2- Stabilizers
    3- Active protection system
    4- Gun. Did the Armata gun finally fit?

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    Post  Russian_Patriot_ 25/08/21, 03:23 pm

    william.boutros wrote:Any information about the final configuration of the T-90MS breakthrough?

    1- Which sights
    2- Stabilizers
    3- Active protection system
    4- Gun. Did the Armata gun finally fit?

    1. Sosna-U for gunner and another panoramic sight for commander
    2. I don't know
    3. It is possible to install the Arena-M, but it is not mass-produced
    4. 2A46M-5 gun. Installing 2A82 will require reworking the automatic loader, and this is expensive
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    Post  lyle6 25/08/21, 05:55 pm

    william.boutros wrote:Any information about the final configuration of the T-90MS breakthrough?

    1- Which sights
    2- Stabilizers
    3- Active protection system
    4- Gun. Did the Armata gun finally fit?

    http://www.kotsch88.de/al_T-90SM_FCS.htm
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    Post  The-thing-next-door 25/08/21, 06:01 pm

    Russian_Patriot_ wrote: 2A46M-5 gun. Installing 2A82 will require reworking the automatic loader, and this is expensive

    Well in that case why even bother producing the damned thing, especially when the Armata is almost ready for service.

    The t90m might have made sense back in 2015 if it had an improved autoloader and APS but now it is just a joke.
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    Post  Isos 25/08/21, 06:13 pm

    The-thing-next-door wrote:
    Russian_Patriot_ wrote: 2A46M-5 gun. Installing 2A82 will require reworking the automatic loader, and this is expensive

    Well in that case why even bother producing the damned thing, especially when the Armata is almost ready for service.

    The t90m might have made sense back in 2015 if it had an improved autoloader and APS but now it is just a joke.

    Because buying 2500 t-14 and 3000 t-15 and 4000 Bumerang to replace the thousands of t-72, bmp-3 and btr-82 is a wet dream.

    They have to modernize older vehicles.

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    Post  Russian_Patriot_ 25/08/21, 06:19 pm

    Isos wrote:
    The-thing-next-door wrote:
    Russian_Patriot_ wrote: 2A46M-5 gun. Installing 2A82 will require reworking the automatic loader, and this is expensive

    Well in that case why even bother producing the damned thing, especially when the Armata is almost ready for service.

    The t90m might have made sense back in 2015 if it had an improved autoloader and APS but now it is just a joke.

    Because buying 2500 t-14 and 3000 t-15 and 4000 Bumerang to replace the thousands of t-72, bmp-3 and btr-82 is a wet dream.

    They have to modernize older vehicles.
    Exactly. And it is also possible to improve the T-72 to the level of the T-90M, it seems to me
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    Post  Mindstorm 25/08/21, 07:45 pm

    The-thing-next-door wrote:
    Russian_Patriot_ wrote: 2A46M-5 gun. Installing 2A82 will require reworking the automatic loader, and this is expensive

    Well in that case why even bother producing the damned thing, especially when the Armata is almost ready for service.

    The t90m might have made sense back in 2015 if it had an improved autoloader and APS but now it is just a joke.


    T-90MS is export tank and has obviously reduced characteristics in all cardinal parameters and lack sensitive technology now entering in service among domestic forces such as the ЕСУ ТЗ or the new barrell main gun, new armor composition new APS etc....

    Federation's T-90M "Прорыв-3" mount 2А82-1М gun ,but it ,at today, still cannot be exported and therefore is not included in the T-90MS MBT.

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    Post  The-thing-next-door 25/08/21, 07:49 pm

    Isos wrote:

    Because buying 2500 t-14 and 3000 t-15 and 4000 Bumerang to replace the thousands of t-72, bmp-3 and btr-82 is a wet dream.

    They have to modernize older vehicles.

    Well since they are producing new T-90Ms they could have given it new composite arrays along with a revised autoloader and the new 125mm for little extra cost or at least allowed for it to have longer projectiles and integrated the turret bustle into the autoloader so that it is more than just a liability in combat.


    It also lacks any APS system whatsoever and the plans to equip it with Arena will result in a lack of compatibility with the Armata's Afganit in addition to the the incompatibility with the T-14's gun and ammunition.
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    Post  The-thing-next-door 25/08/21, 07:55 pm

    Russian_Patriot_ wrote: T-72 to the level of the T-90M, it seems to me

    Well if the BMPT is any indication it should not be too difficult to mount an unmanned turret on a T-72 chassis, one could simply place the gunner and commander along side the driver in the positions that the grenade launcher gunners occupy in the BMPT and then slap on some hugely thick composite armor and ERA using the freed up mass from removing the turret.

    It may be possible to modify the Armata's turret to use the 2a46m5 or an improved variant while they get the 2a82 into production and in this case you would have a very cheap and yet still very capable rear echelon tank.
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    Post  lyle6 26/08/21, 12:54 am

    Mindstorm wrote:
    T-90MS is export tank and has obviously reduced characteristics in all cardinal parameters and lack sensitive technology now entering in service among domestic forces such as the ЕСУ ТЗ or the new barrell main gun, new armor composition new APS etc....

    Federation's T-90M "Прорыв-3" mount 2А82-1М gun ,but it ,at today, still cannot be exported and therefore is not included in the T-90MS MBT.
    It doesn't? The T-90M we've seen thus far only had the 2A46M(5) gun, bore evacuator and all.

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    Well if the BMPT is any indication it should not be too difficult to mount an unmanned turret on a T-72 chassis, one could simply place the gunner and commander along side the driver in the positions that the grenade launcher gunners occupy in the BMPT and then slap on some hugely thick composite armor and ERA using the freed up mass from removing the turret.
    Either side of the driver are massive fuel tanks. Unless you plan on halving the operational time of your vehicle its not really a viable option.

    The-thing-next-door wrote:
    It may be possible to modify the Armata's turret to use the 2a46m5 or an improved variant while they get the 2a82 into production and in this case you would have a very cheap and yet still very capable rear echelon tank.
    The T-14's turret sports the most sophisticated fire control system you can fit on a tank today. Its never going to be cheap even if you skimp on the high performance gun.

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    Post  GarryB 26/08/21, 05:37 pm

    Well since they are producing new T-90Ms they could have given it new composite arrays along with a revised autoloader and the new 125mm for little extra cost or at least allowed for it to have longer projectiles and integrated the turret bustle into the autoloader so that it is more than just a liability in combat.

    Adding new technology to their domestic produced T-90Ms makes a lot of sense in terms of ammo and gun barrel commonality.

    It also lacks any APS system whatsoever and the plans to equip it with Arena will result in a lack of compatibility with the Armata's Afganit in addition to the the incompatibility with the T-14's gun and ammunition.

    AFAIK the T-90s they are upgrading are getting ARENA-M upgraded APS systems... and there is no value in compatibility with Afghanit, they are different systems... they have also stated they are introducing the ARENA-M APS systems for the BMP-3 upgrades too and I suspect they will start mass producing APS systems for most of their vehicles, which should improve their performance and reduce their costs too.

    Well if the BMPT is any indication it should not be too difficult to mount an unmanned turret on a T-72 chassis, one could simply place the gunner and commander along side the driver in the positions that the grenade launcher gunners occupy in the BMPT and then slap on some hugely thick composite armor and ERA using the freed up mass from removing the turret.

    Most tanks have space either side of the driver... on many western tanks that space is used for ammo and fuel storage...

    Either side of the driver are massive fuel tanks. Unless you plan on halving the operational time of your vehicle its not really a viable option.

    Could easily be moved to places around the turret but separated from the new front hull crew compartment.

    The BMPTs driving range is 550km according to their export figures, while the T-72s range is given as 500km so it is clearly not a problem to fit 5 crew... two in the turret and three in the hull and retain road range.

    The T-14's turret sports the most sophisticated fire control system you can fit on a tank today. Its never going to be cheap even if you skimp on the high performance gun.

    The turret is standardised... just like the Epocha turret with the 30mm cannon and the one with the 57mm grenade launcher.... the Boomerang and Kurganets MBT will have the T-14 turret too... why wouldn't you?
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    Post  The-thing-next-door 26/08/21, 07:44 pm

    lyle6 wrote:
    It doesn't? The T-90M we've seen thus far only had the 2A46M(5) gun, bore evacuator and all.


    The T-14 uses the 2a821m which has the fume extractor removed, the base model 2a82 was designed to be used on upgraded T-72s.

    The thing is that if they stick with the current autolader and gun for the rear echelon tanks those tanks will be stuck with current ammunition and the army will have to deliver two separate types of ammunition and gun barrels to their tank armies. Their rear echelon tanks would also not benefit from any new ammunition developed for the T-14 either, at this point they may aswell have gone for the 152mm.

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    Post  lyle6 26/08/21, 08:59 pm

    The-thing-next-door wrote:

    The T-14 uses the 2a821m which has the fume extractor removed, the base model 2a82 was designed to be used on upgraded T-72s.
    The earlier renders of the 2A82 gun for the T-90 lacked the bore evacuator too. And its not for nothing that they were deleted. The fume extractor requires holes to be drilled through the barrel of the gun to create that pocket of pressure differential. Obviously this deliberate weak spot imposes some limit on the amount of pressure that your gun can tolerate, which is no bueno if you are maxxing APFSDS performance.

    The-thing-next-door wrote:
    The thing is that if they stick with the current autolader and gun for the rear echelon tanks those tanks will be stuck with current ammunition and the army will have to deliver two separate types of ammunition and gun barrels to their tank armies. Their rear echelon tanks would also not benefit from any new ammunition developed for the T-14 either, at this point they may aswell have gone for the 152mm.
    I don't see any issue. With near peer opponents you position the most modern T-14 and T-90M tanks to guard against. Why would second-tier tanks worry about firing the most capable ammo when their most likely opponents would be mostly un-upgraded cold war relics that available ammo would cleave through like a hot knife through butter anyway?

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    Post  GarryB 27/08/21, 12:18 pm

    Even the top tier high performance tanks will come against perhaps 5% equivalent vehicles in a worst case scenario... the vast majority of vehicle in a tank division are not even tanks...

    A smart optically guided missile that attacks the top of the enemy MBTs could fill that role easily, while HEAT and APFSDS and HE FRAG can deal with everything else...

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