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    Agriculture and Industry killing us

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    Post  kvs on Tue Dec 03, 2019 5:02 pm

    https://rusvesna.su/future/1575358103

    Grossly fake science from Canada. Some BS correlation study (*) purports to link a 4-fold increase in prostate cancer risk from
    intake of saturated fats. I dare these scumbags to explain why Canadian Inuit whose diet is super high in saturated fats from
    fish and sea mammals are not all dying from prostate and other cancers.

    This fake study is the general level of "medical research" for the last several decades. The "researchers" writing this crap
    apparently do not know what confounding variables are in regression analysis. Western diets high in saturated fats are completely
    overlapped with high carbohydrate and sugar intake (think choux creme pastry or stake and potatoes). So the saturated fat
    intake is correlated with other variables that are true causal factors and is being spuriously tagged as the causal factor.

    These clowns have no idea of what mechanism would explain saturated fat "causing" cancer. Saturated fat is not a mutagen,
    teratogen or carcinogen. The only possible association is there are such toxins dissolved in the fat. This is actually a
    serious possibility. That animals (e.g. cows) are exposed to carcinogens and store them in their fatty tissues. This is
    an established detoxification response in animal and human metabolisms. The response involves insulin which not only controls
    sugars (and is generated in response to them) but any strange chemical substance that enters the blood stream. Insulin is
    the fat storage hormone.

    Instead of spreading false advice, these clowns should tell people what is really going on. We have a cancer pandemic with
    people having a 33% chance of getting cancer. This pandemic is due to the spew of never-before seen chemicals into the
    environment and the high sugar (carbs are glcuose and fructose as far as the metabolism is concerned) diets. Stopping
    saturated fat intake will not solve this problem since the contamination is in the water supply and in the air we breathe.
    It is time to address the problem and not whore for Big Agro, industry and Big Pharma. The profits of these outfits cannot
    come before the health of the population. (Oh my, such socialist thinking...)

    (*) The study claims to identify an "oncogene" (MYC) expression stimulus from saturated fats. This sounds like a mechanistic
    study but it isn't. It is basically impossible to separate food chemicals into non-interacting bins, study them alone and
    then combine them linearly. MYC expression could be triggered by other chemicals in the food and the whole premise of
    a "cancer gene" is BS. It is hyperbolic labeling. I can call cortisol the death hormone. But it is there for a reason
    and its detrimental effects are triggered by other factors. Under normal conditions cortisol is released concurrently
    with adrenaline and acts to maintain homeostasis. But stress from psychological abuse, chemical exposure, and other
    modes that do not involve adrenaline can release cortisol as well. Then it is a problem. Similarly for these so-called
    oncogenes. They must have anti-oncogene partners. And so the question is what is about the food intake that can promote
    the wrong regime of operation. Nobody eats 100% saturated fats and 0% other compounds. But cancer requires glucose
    to survive. Heart cells do not consume glucose but operate on a ketogenic "diet" and one does not hear about any heart cancer.
    Sugar can trigger all sorts of nasty effects. And elevated blood sugar levels (compared to our ancestors) is likely a key
    factor in cancer onset. So the oncogenes are not merely responding to saturated fat. They are responding to a certain
    spectrum of food intake and sedentary lifestyle.





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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg on Tue Dec 03, 2019 5:16 pm

    kvs, is there evidence that we have a cancer pandemic caused by anything other than increasing age of the population and obesity (= chronic inflammation in the body)?
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    Post  kvs on Wed Dec 04, 2019 12:37 am

    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:kvs, is there evidence that we have a cancer pandemic caused by anything other than increasing age of the population and obesity (= chronic inflammation in the body)?

    https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanpub/article/PIIS2468-2667(18)30267-6/fulltext

    Cancer rates for younger aged people are increasing. This has zero to do with any change in longevity. And longevity growth in the USA
    has stalled in the last 15 years.

    https://www.oecd-ilibrary.org/docserver/223159ab-en.pdf?expires=1575416621&id=id&accname=guest&checksum=BE76914309A48AF63558DE40A2BFD772
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    Post  GarryB on Wed Dec 04, 2019 1:01 am

    Same problem in Agriculture as in politics... decisions are made for those with deep pockets instead of for the benefit of the population.

    Perhaps a study to show the funding sources of major studies used to define government policy would be in order... but there is no money to fund such a thing even though it would ultimately be in the publics interests.

    Big companies only seem to be interested in making more money, so there is no funding for pets and animals... who strangely enough are coming down with similar problems to what humans are suffering. Perhaps it is their diet because the same crap they put in human food to reduce costs and for use as filler to bulk out the product, they are putting in pet food and making big profits.

    You should not feed your dog or cat with dry food, it dehydrates them and often contains stuff that is cheap like corn or oats that their bodies cannot process.

    Pet food companies will say raw meat is bad for pets because it can contain bacteria, but dogs and cats have always eaten that, that is what their bodies are designed to process... their stomachs contain very highly acidic fluids that protect them from contaminated meat and bacteria... they will eat fresh kills but they will also eat carrion that has been lying out in the open for days or weeks.

    The situation is that governments used to fund this sort of research for the greater good, but then big business came in and said you should let the market control the research funding and let us do that. Governments were happy to save money and so they largely stopped... in the west... and big business funded studies... but they were selective. Big pet food companies wont research diet and health of cats and dogs eating their pet food... they own the market and at best it will cost them money and people will realise that pet food marketed to be tasty to humans makes no sense as food for animals that don't even have the same sense of taste that we do.
    At worst it will reveal their food is killing our pets and making them sick and they might have to spend money buying meat to put in their food instead of cheap corn or grain or other shit they put in there to appeal to vegan humans.

    Interesting to see how many vegans feed their pets a vegan diet because their pets would be dead in a month.

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