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    Post  Vann7 on Wed Mar 18, 2020 3:26 am

    in more economy related news.. that will affect Russia economy and also world wide ,
    specially in Putin's dreamed vision of turning Russia into the #1 tourist nation in the world.

    US military ‘did not give it to ANYBODY’, coronavirus came from CHINA: Trump gets involved in bioweapon conspiracy spat

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    https://www.rt.com/usa/483371-trump-china-virus-conspiracy/


    Like i said , China is pointing fingers at US for this corona virus ... and this is very serious ,
    they will not do that if they did not had strong information that it is.. and like i said ,the information
    in the internet is very convincing.. yet not 100% conclusive yet.. but is clear that US will had the motives
    to use such a weapon and more than anything that they do have the morals and values (none)
    to conduct such a criminal if that is what it takes to take down China economy..  i mean if they are giving
    weapons to Alqaeda and Isis to over run many countries in middle east..  and seeking to starve to death
    venezuelan population ,with sanctions on venezuela food.. and medicines. then anything is possible.

    that said.. all the idiots in this forum ,that believe to "economy experts" ,that shamefully disconnect
    how world politics affect directly Russia economy.  will be now for an awakening of a new reality.

    If this corona virus in China IS what it looks to be... A BIO Weapon attack..  then this will become the most dangerous step humanity have gone into their own auto destruction.. because if this is indeed a bio attack by
    Americans on China.. this will become equivalent to a large extend ,as the nuclear attack on Japan , by US
    airforce.. because in the same way ,the nuclear attack on japan on civilians cities ,triggered a world wide
    nuclear arm race..  in the same way ,this mass scale BIO weapon attack will trigger a world wide BIO weapons
    race..
    and it will be impossible to stop it ,or regulate it..  every nuclear power will  be seeking to start developing Biological weapons ,not just for test.. but for offensive , for revenge....... after this biological attack.. if confirmed it was by China . then this will make the world and incredibly more dangerous place to live , thanks to Washington DC and US military . .  No

    So this will have disastrous consequences not only for world security ,
    but specially for those outdated economies  like ,italy ,Spain ,latin america , that depend on tourism
    for its economy.. also it will affect greatly Russia ,france and potentially Egypt economy too..
    in Saudi Arabia for the first time nobody travels to mecca in ramadan..  lol1 for fear in corona..

    so lets see.. how Putin's "diversification economy project" will be hit..

    after Covid-19 incident world wide , that targets more harder those nations US consider enemies.
    expect dramatic chances in world economy..

    https://www.rt.com/news/483362-airlines-entertainment-business-coronavirus/

    this is my own list.. but the linked the above link report ,posted by reference as proof ,the world will not be
    the same again.

    1) The tourism industry world wide is going to be hit hard.. nobody will want to travel.
       because this bio incident ,will trigger a response to US , and US allies.. by those nations
      affected. i don't think italy ,china ,japan ,russia ,france ,germany.. will just stay with hands crossed
      after this attack threatening their nations existence.
    2)it will target Putin's olympic world sports capital dreams vision.. at least this is positive ,so that moron drop
      his bet and stop wasting so much money in sports tourism ,in olympics events and similar distractions.
    3) it will target outside entertainment ,public events , musicians will go bankrupt who depends on concerts
       to make money nobody will attend.. for fear of bio attack..
    4)and for those that still travel.. this will make traveling a real painful nightmare anywhere.. because if this
    virus is indeed a BIO weapons.. China will know it.. and the entire world will know it too.. since embassies
    behind the scenes will ask the chinese.. nothing that is liquid.. will be allowed to enter.. and womens vagina
    and both and any hole in human body searched.. and dangerous for health x-ray scanners deployed in every
    airport in the world.. for US airports ,the hardware to verify capsules with liquids ,potentially containing bioweapons is already in place..
    5)it will be the end of toy drones... no longer they will be allowed to fly in any city or any place..
    6)this can potentially end the way education is done.. will trigger in the top powers nations ,to move all education to online..
    7)this will have a dEVASTATING impact on airliners around the world..
    Cool It will also have a devastating impact on cruise sea liners around the world. people
       will simply stay at home for fear of any other bio weapon attack.
    9)this will also create major negativity against US , but will not be enough to trigger a world
    wide boycott to US business...why? because US leadership in business is too strong ,and everyone
    needs them. so bad for putin's Russia gas station ,that he can't say the same. nobody needs russia ,unless
    it is for nation security , it happens to be attacked by US gov.

    at the same time this Covid-19 incident.. will make the American internet ,the most important
    source of entertainment in the world by far..

    So modern economies ,digital economies ,what i was hoping russia to become a digital/space economy focused, will be the ones that will benefit significantly from this.. this is another reason why Russia needs a new internet
    outside American control.. it could be done with china help.. and if Europe awakens ,and decide to split or take distance from US and become sovereign for real.. they could also offer to join the Russia-China axis for a new
    internet project..


    in summary...

    This corona virus incident in china.. will significantly polarize the world.. completely split it...
    in 2 or 3 parts..


    there will be the US system , and there will be the China system.. and is unknown if europe
    will continue playing in both sides leaning more to US and NATO as it have been doing, or if  this BIO attack
    will be the end of the trust of americans and the definitive split on relations ,and so europe seek to develop
    their own system. with their own internet.. they already have their own space industry.. and france pushing
    to create an exclusive European army.. but not doing well ..in recruiting nations for it. The only way out of this
    is massive banning world wide of private independent biological research centers ,specially under control of United States.. and any research anywhere in virus ,will have to be done only in laboratories in neutral places
    with participation of international community..  demanding that LABS jobs are only used for curing deceases and not for creating new viruses ..  in the same way nuclear treaties were created to limit nuclear weapons ,same way biological treaties will have to be done..Putin will be a fool.. if he sign any nuclear treaty with Trump without
    a treaty significantly ending US laboratories that do research of viruses and deceases..

    after the corona virus incident bio weapon attack on China.. is clear for me. .that the third world war..( or 4th world war...depending how counting is done) will be a biological war.. and US is deploying its bio weapons labs ... all around Russia and China..
    pentagon bio weapons labs around Russia ,China and iran borders.. a coincidence ?  No


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    The US biological research program ,is highly provocative and highly questionable ,  and he should demand
    those programs to be fully open to the international community and its scientist names known.. to be questioned for what they doing.. and Hopefully putin will get a clue, that his enemies are preparing for are biological war
    against Russia and that his politeness will not protect Russia and that he needs to be prepared.

    The conflict in Syria ,could well be a major experiment of the pentagon , a minor scale exercise of how they plan
    to defeat Russia.. through endless proxy wars using Islamic extremism.. combined with bioweapons attacks.. on Russia..

    if you look at the map of Pentagon bio labs.. it should be clear by anyone who irresponsible this is..
    they deploy bio weapons labs on unstable zones at war near Russia or China.. what could go wrong?
    and they do it on purpose.. and in africa near zones ,that there is a lot of guerrilla fighting..
    this is done on purpose ,so that to "justify" their "losing biological weapons" in a laboratory after a civil war
    in that country and terrorist over run the lab.  opps..  

    US military , can easily deploy terrorist in any of those countries ,with their bio-labs.. and later claim "terrorist over ran" their facilities.. and then effectively use islamic terrorism as a troyan horse and they armed with bio logical designed against Russia or China in the future . if putin had any brains.. any nuclear arms treaty in the future ,should not be done ,until a total removal of US nuclear weapons in europe and the full dismantling on any bio lab outside US territory.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Wed Mar 18, 2020 2:37 pm


    Can mods please move Vann's nonsense off-topic delusional rants to more appropriate tread?
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    Post  miketheterrible on Wed Mar 18, 2020 4:19 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Can mods please move Vann's nonsense off-topic delusional rants to more appropriate tread?

    Agreed. He is just trolling with nonsense.
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    Post  Aristide on Sat Mar 21, 2020 7:02 pm

    In a French study on 40 patients it had a 100% sucessrate.

    Its the old malaria medicine produces by german pharma giant Bayer called Hydroxychloroquine in combination with an antibiotica called azithromycin.

    When both medications are applied in combination the virus load sinks down to zero within 5 to 6 days.

    https://www.mediterranee-infection.com/hydroxychloroquine-and-azithromycin-as-a-treatment-of-covid-19/?fbclid=IwAR2Eaa3-MQMDVYDqUzDwb2juhG-UIyEk6D_jelGRMh9kGfLKziLorsXfk0Y

    It appears the governments of large nations like France, Germany and USA already secure huge stockpiles of this.

    This can help to end the worst effects until a vaccine is ready.

    Its important to send this also quickly to Italy and yes also to Iran, both nations suffer extremly from this.
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    Post  kvs on Sat Mar 21, 2020 7:11 pm

    Aristide wrote:In a French study on 40 patients it had a 100% sucessrate.

    Its the old malaria medicine produces by german pharma giant Bayer called  Hydroxychloroquine in combination with an antibiotica called azithromycin.

    When both medications are applied in combination the virus load sinks down to zero within 5 to 6 days.

    https://www.mediterranee-infection.com/hydroxychloroquine-and-azithromycin-as-a-treatment-of-covid-19/?fbclid=IwAR2Eaa3-MQMDVYDqUzDwb2juhG-UIyEk6D_jelGRMh9kGfLKziLorsXfk0Y

    It appears the governments of large nations like France, Germany and USA already secure huge stockpiles of this.

    This can help to end the worst effects until a vaccine is ready.

    Its important to send this also quickly to Italy and yes also to Iran, both nations suffer extremly from this.

    Good news. I heard about some old anti-Malaria drug holding promise, looks like it has panned out.

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    Post  ahmedfire on Sat Mar 21, 2020 8:23 pm

    kvs wrote:
    Aristide wrote:In a French study on 40 patients it had a 100% sucessrate.

    Its the old malaria medicine produces by german pharma giant Bayer called  Hydroxychloroquine in combination with an antibiotica called azithromycin.

    When both medications are applied in combination the virus load sinks down to zero within 5 to 6 days.

    https://www.mediterranee-infection.com/hydroxychloroquine-and-azithromycin-as-a-treatment-of-covid-19/?fbclid=IwAR2Eaa3-MQMDVYDqUzDwb2juhG-UIyEk6D_jelGRMh9kGfLKziLorsXfk0Y

    It appears the governments of large nations like France, Germany and USA already secure huge stockpiles of this.

    This can help to end the worst effects until a vaccine is ready.

    Its important to send this also quickly to Italy and yes also to Iran, both nations suffer extremly from this.

    Good news.  I heard about some old anti-Malaria drug holding promise, looks like it has panned out.



    Hydroxychloroquine is a treatment of certain types of malaria.
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    Post  Aristide on Sat Mar 21, 2020 8:42 pm

    kvs wrote:
    Aristide wrote:In a French study on 40 patients it had a 100% sucessrate.

    Its the old malaria medicine produces by german pharma giant Bayer called  Hydroxychloroquine in combination with an antibiotica called azithromycin.

    When both medications are applied in combination the virus load sinks down to zero within 5 to 6 days.

    https://www.mediterranee-infection.com/hydroxychloroquine-and-azithromycin-as-a-treatment-of-covid-19/?fbclid=IwAR2Eaa3-MQMDVYDqUzDwb2juhG-UIyEk6D_jelGRMh9kGfLKziLorsXfk0Y

    It appears the governments of large nations like France, Germany and USA already secure huge stockpiles of this.

    This can help to end the worst effects until a vaccine is ready.

    Its important to send this also quickly to Italy and yes also to Iran, both nations suffer extremly from this.

    Good news.  I heard about some old anti-Malaria drug holding promise, looks like it has panned out.


    Hyroxychloroquine is that old malaria drug you speak about. It greatly reduces virus load and in combination with azithromycin it gets down to zero.

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    Post  Isos on Sat Mar 21, 2020 9:44 pm

    This drug is dangerous to take. Can make you go full depressed and send you in psy hospital.
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    Post  JohninMK on Sat Mar 21, 2020 10:24 pm

    This may or may not be a solution. Not enough testing done yet but using an anti pneumonia antibiotic was a good choice. No news on it spreading to other French hospitals. They are also checking it out in the US as well.

    Meanwhile the Australians are also on the trail combining it with an HIV drug. This is going now into full tests in 50 Australian hospitals.

    Using already approved drugs, albeit for different illnesses, dramatically shortens testing and approval times.
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    Post  kvs on Sat Mar 21, 2020 10:59 pm

    Isos wrote:This drug is dangerous to take. Can make you go full depressed and send you in psy hospital.

    I am going to guess that this side effect is not going to be a major issue for corona virus cases. Malaria is chronic
    so there is long term use of suppressor drugs. So the chance of development of psychological side effects in the former is vastly
    smaller.

    At this stage beggars can't be choosers. AZT for HIV had nasty side effects too, but there was no choice.

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    Post  kvs on Sat Mar 21, 2020 10:59 pm

    JohninMK wrote:This may or may not be a solution. Not enough testing done yet but using an anti pneumonia antibiotic was a good choice. No news on it spreading to other French hospitals. They are also checking it out in the US as well.

    Meanwhile the Australians are also on the trail combining it with an HIV drug. This is going now into full tests in 50 Australian hospitals.

    Using already approved drugs, albeit for different illnesses, dramatically shortens testing and approval times.

    Taxpayers spend billions of dollars on the medical industry and research. So this is them doing their jobs and I hope they
    succeed.

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    Post  JohninMK on Sat Mar 21, 2020 11:42 pm

    Oooops. More at link. But note the comments in post 4 below.

    The claim that the anti-malaria drug (hydro-)chloroquine helps in SARS-CoV-2 infection cases comes from two Chinese studies who are only based on in-vitro tests on the virus and human cells. The doses were relatively high and chloroquine is know to have some bad side effects. There is also no sound way yet to get chloroquine into the lower lungs where the virus resides and where it would be actually needed.

    There is also a small French trial with chloroquine based on real patients but which is unfortunately invalid. It was a non-randomized study with only 42 patients of which 6 dropped out.

    The researches counted the number of viruses before and after the medication. But they only took swabs in the throat to look for viruses. During the cause of a SARS-CoV-2 infection the virus does starts to multiply in the throat but it then migrates down into the lower lung. Only there begins the virus to grow in really big numbers and to cause damage. While that happens the virus count in the throat region goes down. The French researchers did not know that.


    https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/03/coronavirus-on-western-government-failures-and-possible-therapies.html#more
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    Post  Aristide on Sun Mar 22, 2020 6:24 am

    Isos wrote:This drug is dangerous to take. Can make you go full depressed and send you in psy hospital.

    You prefer to slowly drown in your own saliva?
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    Post  Aristide on Sun Mar 22, 2020 6:31 am

    JohninMK wrote:Oooops. More at link. But note the comments in post 4 below.

    The claim that the anti-malaria drug (hydro-)chloroquine helps in SARS-CoV-2 infection cases comes from two Chinese studies who are only based on in-vitro tests on the virus and human cells. The doses were relatively high and chloroquine is know to have some bad side effects. There is also no sound way yet to get chloroquine into the lower lungs where the virus resides and where it would be actually needed.

    There is also a small French trial with chloroquine based on real patients but which is unfortunately invalid. It was a non-randomized study with only 42 patients of which 6 dropped out.

    The researches counted the number of viruses before and after the medication. But they only took swabs in the throat to look for viruses. During the cause of a SARS-CoV-2 infection the virus does starts to multiply in the throat but it then migrates down into the lower lung. Only there begins the virus to grow in really big numbers and to cause damage. While that happens the virus count in the throat region goes down. The French researchers did not know that.


    https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/03/coronavirus-on-western-government-failures-and-possible-therapies.html#more

    Which is pretty much bullshit.

    We have tremendous sucess with this treatment here in France. So much, that we order million packages of it. Germany and USA do same.

    You know what the bad side effect is? Its an old drug and cheap. It doesnt generate profits. I understand full well, that some interested circles try to talk it down. Sucks when you invested billions into start ups working on new medication, while suddenly an old pill does the job.

    Bayer says it will give it for free to poor countries.

    How happy do you think are some hedgefonds managers about that development?
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    Post  GarryB on Mon Mar 23, 2020 6:26 am

    I agree it is important to be cautious, but it is also important to be sensible and critical... these criticisms sound valid, which takes nothing away from what these French researchers have done, but it suggests more work is needed and we need a better understanding of the virus to find solutions.

    No matter what we do this virus is going to continue to be a problem every year just like other flu strains that have killed rather more people than this virus.

    I also agree that while the vast majority of money spent on dealing with viruses and diseases in general most pharma companies would rather spend three quarters of their budget on encouraging doctors to prescribe their medications and focusing on treatments rather than cures... most governments are not contributing money to make these drug dealers richer, they want their populations to be healthy and productive... would like to see more oversight over how money is used and how it is directed... it is funny that in times of crisis there are anti profiteering laws that are often rigourously enforced, but when you hear it is $20,000 for a test you wonder why the guy who fills up a truck with groceries and takes them to the next more isolated town and sells them at a 300% markup gets arrested and goes to jail, while health professionals that charge this sort of markup get away with it...
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    Post  Big_Gazza on Sat Apr 11, 2020 7:29 am

    Arrow wrote:It's fairy tales. Russia has around 2,000 cases a day. The economy will not be able to afford new ships.

    You really are a troll dickhead... seriously?
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    Post  miketheterrible on Sat Apr 11, 2020 11:04 am

    Big_Gazza wrote:
    Arrow wrote:It's fairy tales. Russia has around 2,000 cases a day. The economy will not be able to afford new ships.

    You really are a troll dickhead...  seriously?

    Mods suck at holding this site. I've been suspended for lot less worst shit than arrows blatant trolling. And if he isn't trolling, he is a good representation of an American - retarded.
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    Post  Arrow on Sat Apr 11, 2020 11:25 am

    I just wrote that Russia will have more important expenses related to the epidemic than shipbuilding.Russia is not the US, which will print trillions USD.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Sat Apr 11, 2020 12:32 pm

    Arrow wrote:I just wrote that Russia will have more important expenses related to the epidemic than shipbuilding.Russia is not the US, which will print trillions USD.

    That's not how military procurement works

    Also, price of these ships is pittance, billion bucks stretched over almost a decade is barely a rounding error



    miketheterrible wrote:...Mods suck at holding this site. I've been suspended for lot less worst shit than arrows blatant trolling. And if he isn't trolling, he is a good representation of an American - retarded.

    COVID19 tread is now is nothing but Vann and Tsavo sucking each other off with their conspiracy spam walls and mods don't even give a shit

    I've been wanting to post news about pandemic for several days now but it's pointless to waste effort on that digital rectum


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    Post  Isos on Sat Apr 11, 2020 12:40 pm

    Arrow wrote:I just wrote that Russia will have more important expenses related to the epidemic than shipbuilding.Russia is not the US, which will print trillions USD.

    Printing trillions of dollars is the best way to kill the dollar. The currency has no value if everyone has his pockets full of 100$ in cash. No one will work anymore and the economy will collapse.

    Printed money and the fake money in banks that represent probably more than 99% of total money are different things. One controls the people the other one allow dickheads to play god.
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    Post  Arrow on Sat Apr 11, 2020 12:48 pm

    The US has been printing the dollar for many years and is still the largest military power in the world. They keep superpower status all the time.
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    Post  Isos on Sat Apr 11, 2020 12:59 pm

    Arrow wrote:The US has been printing the dollar for many years and is still the largest military power in the world. They keep superpower status all the time.

    All currencies are printed but there is a way to do that. You don't print 300 trillions for a virus when your country is in quarantine and most of people don't work.
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    Post  Big_Gazza on Sat Apr 11, 2020 2:22 pm

    Isos wrote:
    Arrow wrote:The US has been printing the dollar for many years and is still the largest military power in the world. They keep superpower status all the time.

    All currencies are printed but there is a way to do that. You don't print 300 trillions for a virus when your country is in quarantine and most of people don't work.

    Correct, you do it when you want an excuse to print money and throw it at (your campaign donors in) Wall Street for near zero interest so the top 0.01% can continue to enrich themselves at the expense of everyone else.  It's a massive (and transparent) scam but the stupid peons of the US public bend and take it up the arse every... single... time...  and never get wiser.

    Anyhow, we are way Off Topic
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    Post  GarryB on Sun Apr 12, 2020 4:01 am

    Mods suck at holding this site. I've been suspended for lot less worst shit than arrows blatant trolling. And if he isn't trolling, he is a good representation of an American - retarded.



    You were suspended from memory for your bad language and after being told to stop it by a mod you continued.

    Arrow is asking questions and making statements. Stupid questions and stupid statements, but neither is against the rules and when told by a mod to stop doing something he does it... that is why he hasn't been given any breaks to my knowledge.

    And that is how it works here... do as you are told by a mod and you wont get banned... temporary or longer term.

    Do you think it would be better if everyone posted something and everyone else agreed... no discussion, no disagreement, no problems... you'd leave because it was boring.

    So there you go... if you don't approve of what he says and can't be bothered discussing it then just think of him as the entertainment and put him on your ignore list.



    COVID19 tread is now is nothing but Vann and Tsavo sucking each other off with their conspiracy spam walls and mods don't even give a shit



    Well I have not been reading it, but then I stopped reading Vanns stuff a while ago, what do you expect me to do... tell them to only post stuff I agree with? Don't discuss anything or post evidence to support it? Which rule should I be quoting when giving them their temporary bans?

    You might not believe it but I don't like giving bans... I only do it when forced and they are no where near forcing me.


    I've been wanting to post news about pandemic for several days now but it's pointless to waste effort on that digital rectum



    Create your own thread that says no conspiracy theories about the origin of the virus being discussed in the new thread... any so called spam from these two or anyone else and you can ask me to move it to the other thread... which I will do with warnings to those not following the thread scope. Send a PM to George the reason for the new thread so he doesn't merge your new thread with the old one... Corona is a big deal... I think we can stretch to two threads about it...


    Or PD and Mike you can just bitch and moan in other threads hoping it might happen by accident?

    Perhaps you would be happier with Mod performance if you followed normal procedure and instead of posting bitchy comments about the mods not magically knowing what sand is in your vaginas at the moment and solving the problem... perhaps you could send a quick PM to me and we could discuss it in private.

    Instead you say all mods don't give a shit or we suck...

    Makes it pretty clear who actually isn't following the rules and behaving... perhaps that explains why you both eventually got time outs...

    In future for your reference, Mods respond to direct requests and direct complaints via PM preferably, not littered through the thousands of posts on this forum.

    We are not lazy and do care about this forum, and if I wanted to I could simply say Mike and PD... both disrespecting Mods by saying we are lazy and we such 5 day break from the forum. I have a choice and I choose not to do that. Push me like you did last time and you did last time and it will happen.

    That is how it works here... I think I am being reasonable and would prefer this discussion went on via PM but I guess it does not hurt for everyone to see my views on bans. I remember MP.net where you could get a ban for saying not very nice things about president bush jnr. On Keypub forums I was banned for reporting someone for trolling.  I don't think it is bad here in comparison.

    Enough off topic.

    GarryB


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    Post  GarryB on Sun Apr 12, 2020 4:03 am

    Printing trillions of dollars is the best way to kill the dollar. The currency has no value if everyone has his pockets full of 100$ in cash. No one will work anymore and the economy will collapse.

    Arrow thinks it is a strength, but any normal person knows it is a weakness, and could destroy their economy...

    Either way... these ships will be built... I am quite looking forward to what they look like and what their balance is.

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