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    Post  kvs on Sat Mar 21, 2020 11:59 pm

    Isos wrote:This drug is dangerous to take. Can make you go full depressed and send you in psy hospital.

    I am going to guess that this side effect is not going to be a major issue for corona virus cases. Malaria is chronic
    so there is long term use of suppressor drugs. So the chance of development of psychological side effects in the former is vastly
    smaller.

    At this stage beggars can't be choosers. AZT for HIV had nasty side effects too, but there was no choice.

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    Post  kvs on Sat Mar 21, 2020 11:59 pm

    JohninMK wrote:This may or may not be a solution. Not enough testing done yet but using an anti pneumonia antibiotic was a good choice. No news on it spreading to other French hospitals. They are also checking it out in the US as well.

    Meanwhile the Australians are also on the trail combining it with an HIV drug. This is going now into full tests in 50 Australian hospitals.

    Using already approved drugs, albeit for different illnesses, dramatically shortens testing and approval times.

    Taxpayers spend billions of dollars on the medical industry and research. So this is them doing their jobs and I hope they
    succeed.

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    Post  JohninMK on Sun Mar 22, 2020 12:42 am

    Oooops. More at link. But note the comments in post 4 below.

    The claim that the anti-malaria drug (hydro-)chloroquine helps in SARS-CoV-2 infection cases comes from two Chinese studies who are only based on in-vitro tests on the virus and human cells. The doses were relatively high and chloroquine is know to have some bad side effects. There is also no sound way yet to get chloroquine into the lower lungs where the virus resides and where it would be actually needed.

    There is also a small French trial with chloroquine based on real patients but which is unfortunately invalid. It was a non-randomized study with only 42 patients of which 6 dropped out.

    The researches counted the number of viruses before and after the medication. But they only took swabs in the throat to look for viruses. During the cause of a SARS-CoV-2 infection the virus does starts to multiply in the throat but it then migrates down into the lower lung. Only there begins the virus to grow in really big numbers and to cause damage. While that happens the virus count in the throat region goes down. The French researchers did not know that.


    https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/03/coronavirus-on-western-government-failures-and-possible-therapies.html#more
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    Post  Aristide on Sun Mar 22, 2020 7:24 am

    Isos wrote:This drug is dangerous to take. Can make you go full depressed and send you in psy hospital.

    You prefer to slowly drown in your own saliva?
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    Post  Aristide on Sun Mar 22, 2020 7:31 am

    JohninMK wrote:Oooops. More at link. But note the comments in post 4 below.

    The claim that the anti-malaria drug (hydro-)chloroquine helps in SARS-CoV-2 infection cases comes from two Chinese studies who are only based on in-vitro tests on the virus and human cells. The doses were relatively high and chloroquine is know to have some bad side effects. There is also no sound way yet to get chloroquine into the lower lungs where the virus resides and where it would be actually needed.

    There is also a small French trial with chloroquine based on real patients but which is unfortunately invalid. It was a non-randomized study with only 42 patients of which 6 dropped out.

    The researches counted the number of viruses before and after the medication. But they only took swabs in the throat to look for viruses. During the cause of a SARS-CoV-2 infection the virus does starts to multiply in the throat but it then migrates down into the lower lung. Only there begins the virus to grow in really big numbers and to cause damage. While that happens the virus count in the throat region goes down. The French researchers did not know that.


    https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/03/coronavirus-on-western-government-failures-and-possible-therapies.html#more

    Which is pretty much bullshit.

    We have tremendous sucess with this treatment here in France. So much, that we order million packages of it. Germany and USA do same.

    You know what the bad side effect is? Its an old drug and cheap. It doesnt generate profits. I understand full well, that some interested circles try to talk it down. Sucks when you invested billions into start ups working on new medication, while suddenly an old pill does the job.

    Bayer says it will give it for free to poor countries.

    How happy do you think are some hedgefonds managers about that development?
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    Post  GarryB on Mon Mar 23, 2020 7:26 am

    I agree it is important to be cautious, but it is also important to be sensible and critical... these criticisms sound valid, which takes nothing away from what these French researchers have done, but it suggests more work is needed and we need a better understanding of the virus to find solutions.

    No matter what we do this virus is going to continue to be a problem every year just like other flu strains that have killed rather more people than this virus.

    I also agree that while the vast majority of money spent on dealing with viruses and diseases in general most pharma companies would rather spend three quarters of their budget on encouraging doctors to prescribe their medications and focusing on treatments rather than cures... most governments are not contributing money to make these drug dealers richer, they want their populations to be healthy and productive... would like to see more oversight over how money is used and how it is directed... it is funny that in times of crisis there are anti profiteering laws that are often rigourously enforced, but when you hear it is $20,000 for a test you wonder why the guy who fills up a truck with groceries and takes them to the next more isolated town and sells them at a 300% markup gets arrested and goes to jail, while health professionals that charge this sort of markup get away with it...
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    Post  Big_Gazza on Sat Apr 11, 2020 9:29 am

    Arrow wrote:It's fairy tales. Russia has around 2,000 cases a day. The economy will not be able to afford new ships.

    You really are a troll dickhead... seriously?
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    Post  miketheterrible on Sat Apr 11, 2020 1:04 pm

    Big_Gazza wrote:
    Arrow wrote:It's fairy tales. Russia has around 2,000 cases a day. The economy will not be able to afford new ships.

    You really are a troll dickhead...  seriously?

    Mods suck at holding this site. I've been suspended for lot less worst shit than arrows blatant trolling. And if he isn't trolling, he is a good representation of an American - retarded.
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    Post  Arrow on Sat Apr 11, 2020 1:25 pm

    I just wrote that Russia will have more important expenses related to the epidemic than shipbuilding.Russia is not the US, which will print trillions USD.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Sat Apr 11, 2020 2:32 pm

    Arrow wrote:I just wrote that Russia will have more important expenses related to the epidemic than shipbuilding.Russia is not the US, which will print trillions USD.

    That's not how military procurement works

    Also, price of these ships is pittance, billion bucks stretched over almost a decade is barely a rounding error



    miketheterrible wrote:...Mods suck at holding this site. I've been suspended for lot less worst shit than arrows blatant trolling. And if he isn't trolling, he is a good representation of an American - retarded.

    COVID19 tread is now is nothing but Vann and Tsavo sucking each other off with their conspiracy spam walls and mods don't even give a shit

    I've been wanting to post news about pandemic for several days now but it's pointless to waste effort on that digital rectum


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    Post  Isos on Sat Apr 11, 2020 2:40 pm

    Arrow wrote:I just wrote that Russia will have more important expenses related to the epidemic than shipbuilding.Russia is not the US, which will print trillions USD.

    Printing trillions of dollars is the best way to kill the dollar. The currency has no value if everyone has his pockets full of 100$ in cash. No one will work anymore and the economy will collapse.

    Printed money and the fake money in banks that represent probably more than 99% of total money are different things. One controls the people the other one allow dickheads to play god.
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    Post  Arrow on Sat Apr 11, 2020 2:48 pm

    The US has been printing the dollar for many years and is still the largest military power in the world. They keep superpower status all the time.
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    Post  Isos on Sat Apr 11, 2020 2:59 pm

    Arrow wrote:The US has been printing the dollar for many years and is still the largest military power in the world. They keep superpower status all the time.

    All currencies are printed but there is a way to do that. You don't print 300 trillions for a virus when your country is in quarantine and most of people don't work.
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    Post  Big_Gazza on Sat Apr 11, 2020 4:22 pm

    Isos wrote:
    Arrow wrote:The US has been printing the dollar for many years and is still the largest military power in the world. They keep superpower status all the time.

    All currencies are printed but there is a way to do that. You don't print 300 trillions for a virus when your country is in quarantine and most of people don't work.

    Correct, you do it when you want an excuse to print money and throw it at (your campaign donors in) Wall Street for near zero interest so the top 0.01% can continue to enrich themselves at the expense of everyone else.  It's a massive (and transparent) scam but the stupid peons of the US public bend and take it up the arse every... single... time...  and never get wiser.

    Anyhow, we are way Off Topic
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    Post  GarryB on Sun Apr 12, 2020 6:01 am

    Mods suck at holding this site. I've been suspended for lot less worst shit than arrows blatant trolling. And if he isn't trolling, he is a good representation of an American - retarded.



    You were suspended from memory for your bad language and after being told to stop it by a mod you continued.

    Arrow is asking questions and making statements. Stupid questions and stupid statements, but neither is against the rules and when told by a mod to stop doing something he does it... that is why he hasn't been given any breaks to my knowledge.

    And that is how it works here... do as you are told by a mod and you wont get banned... temporary or longer term.

    Do you think it would be better if everyone posted something and everyone else agreed... no discussion, no disagreement, no problems... you'd leave because it was boring.

    So there you go... if you don't approve of what he says and can't be bothered discussing it then just think of him as the entertainment and put him on your ignore list.



    COVID19 tread is now is nothing but Vann and Tsavo sucking each other off with their conspiracy spam walls and mods don't even give a shit



    Well I have not been reading it, but then I stopped reading Vanns stuff a while ago, what do you expect me to do... tell them to only post stuff I agree with? Don't discuss anything or post evidence to support it? Which rule should I be quoting when giving them their temporary bans?

    You might not believe it but I don't like giving bans... I only do it when forced and they are no where near forcing me.


    I've been wanting to post news about pandemic for several days now but it's pointless to waste effort on that digital rectum



    Create your own thread that says no conspiracy theories about the origin of the virus being discussed in the new thread... any so called spam from these two or anyone else and you can ask me to move it to the other thread... which I will do with warnings to those not following the thread scope. Send a PM to George the reason for the new thread so he doesn't merge your new thread with the old one... Corona is a big deal... I think we can stretch to two threads about it...


    Or PD and Mike you can just bitch and moan in other threads hoping it might happen by accident?

    Perhaps you would be happier with Mod performance if you followed normal procedure and instead of posting bitchy comments about the mods not magically knowing what sand is in your vaginas at the moment and solving the problem... perhaps you could send a quick PM to me and we could discuss it in private.

    Instead you say all mods don't give a shit or we suck...

    Makes it pretty clear who actually isn't following the rules and behaving... perhaps that explains why you both eventually got time outs...

    In future for your reference, Mods respond to direct requests and direct complaints via PM preferably, not littered through the thousands of posts on this forum.

    We are not lazy and do care about this forum, and if I wanted to I could simply say Mike and PD... both disrespecting Mods by saying we are lazy and we such 5 day break from the forum. I have a choice and I choose not to do that. Push me like you did last time and you did last time and it will happen.

    That is how it works here... I think I am being reasonable and would prefer this discussion went on via PM but I guess it does not hurt for everyone to see my views on bans. I remember MP.net where you could get a ban for saying not very nice things about president bush jnr. On Keypub forums I was banned for reporting someone for trolling.  I don't think it is bad here in comparison.

    Enough off topic.

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    Post  GarryB on Sun Apr 12, 2020 6:03 am

    Printing trillions of dollars is the best way to kill the dollar. The currency has no value if everyone has his pockets full of 100$ in cash. No one will work anymore and the economy will collapse.

    Arrow thinks it is a strength, but any normal person knows it is a weakness, and could destroy their economy...

    Either way... these ships will be built... I am quite looking forward to what they look like and what their balance is.
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    Post  calripson on Sun Apr 12, 2020 7:33 pm

    Arrow wrote:The US has been printing the dollar for many years and is still the largest military power in the world. They keep superpower status all the time.

    It is not the "U.S." that prints the money - it is the Federal Reserve, a private banking cartel only subject in theory to congressional oversight. The U.S. constitution explicitly reserves such rights to the U.S. government, but way back in 1913 the London bankers and their pals in the U.S. pulled a fast one - calling a vote during Christmas recess to ram through enabling legislation for a scheme finalized at the infamous conference on Jekyll Island. The U.S. imperial system is simply the continuation of the British system post-WWII without all the overt 19th century trappings of Empire. It is at its heart a monetary system of control.
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    Post  andalusia on Thu Apr 16, 2020 10:11 am

    This is a good read about US geography in its rise as a world power as well as its foreign policy goals in preventing another power to challenge it.

    https://worldview.stratfor.com/article/geopolitics-united-states-part-1-inevitable-empire
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    Post  GarryB on Sat Apr 25, 2020 3:13 am

    Australia and Antarctica r the 5th & 6th continents, not islands.

    They are both.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Sat Apr 25, 2020 3:29 am

    If they were islands, geography text books wouldn't call Australia & Antarctica "continents". They sit on continental plates & were once part of Gondwana. India was also part of it & now Indostan is a subcontinent attached to Eurasia- which is the so-called World Island, but not a real island:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Geographical_Pivot_of_History#The_World-Island_and_the_Heartland

    Likewise, the double continent of America is on 2 continental plates & is surrounded by water, but it's too big to be called an island.
    Greenland is surrounded by water & shares a continental plate with N. America.
    Therefore, it's an island.


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    Post  Big_Gazza on Sun Apr 26, 2020 4:41 am

    It's a entirely artificial and clumsy distinction. Australia and Antarctica are clearly islands in a morphological sense. A landmass doesn't cease to be completely surrounded by water simply because it is large. I think this arbitrary caveat has been imposed simply because EVERY continent is in fact an island given that the Earths Oceans are wholly contiguous and unbounded by land masses.

    Its fair say we are well into Off Topic territory now Laughing
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    Post  Big_Gazza on Sun Apr 26, 2020 4:45 am

    Hole wrote:Something sinister is going on down there! VVP wants to annex Antarctica!
    Laughing  Laughing  Laughing

    No, Tom Cotton says Evil Vlad the Impaler wants to subjugate the Eskimos, steal their oil & lithium, and build listening posts and nuclear weapon bases, and we all know that unhinged Neo-con water-boys are never wrong.... Laughing Laughing Laughing

    Yes, I know that the Inuit don't live in Antartica, but shhhhh... don't tell Tom. It will only confuse him.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Sun Apr 26, 2020 5:15 am

    Any continent has several climatic & time zones, has shores on different oceans & big differences in elevation levels.  
    Africa & Eurasia were connected before being separated by the Suez Canal- so they were not islands even in the conventional sense.
    The rest of continents can be called "island continents" but that doesn't make them true islands like Tasmania, Iceland, Greenland, Cuba, Madagaskar, Taiwan, etc.
    W/o its ice sheet, Antarctica would be 2 large islands:
    https://www.nsf.gov/pubs/1997/antpanel/3enviro.htm

    The Caspian & Aral seas r in fact lakes; the Azov Sea was called Meotian Lake in ancient times.
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    Post  kvs on Sun Apr 26, 2020 5:29 am

    You have to look at the tectonic plate morphology. Think of the crust as scum on top of the water of a relatively slowly boiling
    pot. There are upwelling regions and downwelling regions that order the scum such that it accumulates over the descending
    regions. Continents are accumulation of crustal material in this fashion over the two-layer boiling mantle. The mantle is
    in a state of convection driven both by the core-mantle boundary temperature (several thousand degrees) and raidio-active
    decay heating inside the mantle rock itself. This convection is happening on the timescale of millions of years, but is real
    convection with warmer and colder rock regions actually flowing in plumes. This convection is one of the ways that lighter
    rock ("scum") is slowly differentiated to the surface of the Earth to give us the crust.

    The tectonic plates roughly reflect the location of the major cold descending plumes in the upper mantle (there is a rock crystal
    structure transition at around 670 km below the surface which results into fluid layers). Australia happens to be sitting on its own
    plate and is thus a continent. Greenland is part of the North American plate so is an island.

    The two layer fluid mantle we have is believed to be responsible for the super-continent cycle. The slow differential convection
    in the two layers results in accumulation of cold mantle rock over hot mantle rock with the interface at 670 km below the surface.
    This build up results in a massive convective instability roughly every 500 million years. So the upper mantle convection is
    what drives the crust into one pile and also drives the instability at its base. The buoyancy driven adjustment results in
    the break up of the super-continent as the heat energy breaks through into the upper mantle.

    I think the process is plausible since you can sort of see it in a boiling pot. At full boil there are numerous plumes churning the
    water (soup) but as the heat is dialed to minimum one gets one plume that is less vigorous. This cooling off and the subsequent
    reheating takes 500 million years for the upper mantle rock.
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    Post  GarryB on Sun Apr 26, 2020 11:55 am

    Any continent has several climatic & time zones, has shores on different oceans & big differences in elevation levels.

    Rubbish... continents are arbitrarily defined based on exploration... otherwise europe and asia should be the same continent, and north america and south america are only separate continents to separate the first world from the third world... the same reason for the separation of europe and asia.

    Besides, the fact that Antarctica and Australia are continents does not mean they are not ALSO islands.


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