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    Post  GarryB on Thu Feb 27, 2020 6:19 am

    Being an European country, I realize it's difficult for Russia to understand such a below-average, slothful, incompetent race. But Russia will have to be extremely careful while dealing with these failed states.

    Oh please, the racist way you look down on Indians is exactly the same as the racist way the Europeans and Americans look at half Asian Russians... genetically predisposed to evil and doing bad... genetically hard wired to be wrong... not my words... the words of a US official who was not fired for saying so.

    Of course how can you be judged fairly in the west when Americans judge countries by their worst events.... Russia is Stalin, while they view their own country based on its best intentions... ie the US is trying to save the world(s oil).

    Everyone wants money to make their lives and the lives of those around them comfortable... if they get it it will change even the most socialist into a money grabbing monster. Social experiments show that students at university doing courses in economics spend the least on charity and give the least of their time to work helping others in their community... and it just gets worse as they progress through their courses... very unchristian...
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    Post  GarryB on Thu Feb 27, 2020 6:42 am

    Europeans, Americans certainly envy Russians but why would they define us as half Asians?

    Envy? You mean despise... if they envied you they would try to be your friend and try to adopt your culture instead of trying to obliterate it and steal your stuff.

    They are jealous that you possess so much territory and much of that territory is largely untouched by mining companies and therefore retains it mineral wealth unlike their own countries they have already stripped bare...

    In US, Canada and UK, Russians are classified as Whites. Where is the racism?

    You can say things about Russians in the west you can't even say about any other group, including people who think they can decide day to day what their gender is.

    My point was inherently corrupt countries like India, African countries should be avoided by Russia. Instead Russia should concentrate on more lucrative markets like Mid East and China.

    My counter point is that there are no non-corrupt countries... America is the most corrupt country on the planet, corruption is human nature... where-ever there is money or power or both.

    The difference is that India wont demand you accept GM food or chicken soaked in Chlorine because their hygene standards are not up to scratch... western countries will make those sorts of demands because their products are not competitive unless you become as fussy about shit as they are... but sometimes they are just being anal rather than safety conscious... doesn't matter... you have to follow their rules or no deal.

    Russia has the potential to be one of the few sources of non-GM food, which makes it safer than western food... sucking up to the wrong countries is the biggest mistake you can make... India has corruption... so does the UK and Russia and France and most other countries... think of it as a small tax to access a rather large market of over 1.2 billion people who need clean safe food and energy. Russia should not be fussy about who it trades with, but it should have a simple rule... Russia should not tell another country its business and other countries should not tell Russia Russias business... this is a trade of goods and services for currency or other goods or services... this is not about cultural imperialism where I will trade with you but you have to act more like me.

    Moreover, they are also a security threat to Russia because thousands of Africans and Indians enter Russia either illegally or refuses to go back once their visa expires. Deception is a way of life for them. Eventually Russian taxpayers have to pay millions to send these freeloaders back home. They are disliked in US and Europe for exactly this reason.

    And how much do you actually know about that and what are your sources?

    What if I tried to become a Russian citizen but was refused because I don't speak Russian... give me a rifle and I will be happy to man some arctic outpost... protect it from US infiltration... supply me once a month with food and some electricity source and of course an internet connection and I would be a happy man... no burden on the tax payer... I would be cheap to support and would be doing a useful job... teach me to maintain some radar or weather equipment and I could do that. I doubt anyone goes to Russia to mooch off the Russian taxpayer... AFAIK I would not think social benefits in Russia are that generous...

    Despite the hostilities on how many occasions did the US or EU have to send back truckloads of Russians back to Russia because they were living there illegally? Russians are recognized for their sheer talent. Silicon Valley will collapse without Russian engineers.

    But that is the same thing... economic migration... people looking for a better life for their children... better paying jobs, less harsh climate, the lure of the comfort and freedom of the US... of course reality is a bitch.

    An economy needs engineers and scientists with talent, but they also needs someone to pick up rubbish and wash floors... here in New Zealand fruit growers struggle to get fruit pickers... most of the orchards are in places where rents are stupidly high, they don't pay them great money and of course they only want them for short periods each year... many of their workers are illegals... I would expect the same in the US... they complain about the illegal immigrants from Mexico but when push comes to shove an illegal immigrant you can treat like slave labour for below minimum wages and they can hardly go to the police now can they...

    Lot of very bad people around.... often the victim is the illegal immigrant.... ahh but they are breaking the law... is it their fault they weren't born in a richer country.... most of the so called civilised western countries they move to got rich by screwing all the other countries... so in a way it is just pay back.
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    Post  miketheterrible on Thu Feb 27, 2020 7:53 am

    No, because part of the contract stipulated by UK was they told us not to use the subs. So it was Canada's stupidity overall for not listening in first place. To make matters worst, we signed a major contract for these subs torpedoes which then later we found out doesn't fit the subs....
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    Post  jhelb on Thu Feb 27, 2020 1:32 pm

    GarryB wrote:And how much do you actually know about that and what are your sources?

    Local Russian media reports it all the time. That aside, here is one source

    https://yle.fi/uutiset/osasto/news/russia_intercepts_27_indians_suspected_of_attempting_illegal_entry_into_finland/10713001

    Here is another primary research about how migrants of color are flooding Russia. 4.5 million illegals already in Russia, imagine that. Russians are tolerant people, had it been Yankees they would have nuked these countries

    https://www.ilo.org/wcmsp5/groups/public/---ed_protect/---protrav/---migrant/documents/publication/wcms_201973.pdf

    GarryB wrote:But that is the same thing... economic migration... people looking for a better life for their children... better paying jobs, less harsh climate, the lure of the comfort and freedom of the US... of course reality is a bitch.

    And yet no American (leave alone Russian) migrates to Africa or India. It's always the other way round. That clearly reflects that better life is available in the West not in third world countries.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Thu Feb 27, 2020 4:49 pm

    yet no American (leave alone Russian) migrates to Africa or India.
    not true!
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-49394354

    https://www.csmonitor.com/World/2014/0404/Back-to-Africa-For-some-African-Americans-the-answer-is-yes?cmpid=mkt:ggl:dsa-np&gclid=CjwKCAiA7t3yBRADEiwA4GFlI3GItLEPoGOZCh_JKcubvX3C4qwfgo9pBJWsgxAhulBnlJStmR-jfhoCoRUQAvD_BwE

    https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/african-americans-moving-africa-180116092736345.html

    India – 700,000 according to a press release from the White House on 12/06/2017  Philippines – 600,000 (2015)
    Russia – at least 2,008 up to 6,200

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emigration_from_the_United_States#Statistics
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Americans_in_India#Numbers

    https://qz.com/india/1414490/white-american-expats-are-treated-like-royalty-in-india/

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russians_in_India#Immigrants

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russians_in_India#Other_parts_of_India
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    Post  GarryB on Fri Feb 28, 2020 5:24 am

    You can't possibly be serious... sold subs on the condition you don't use them and buy some torpedoes that don't fit but then what use are torpedoes if you are not using the subs in the first place?

    But it is India that is corrupt... really?

    Can you not see this was clearly a scam... someone made a lot of money with this, but it is all so embarassing that they likely wont investigate or if they do they will make the obvious source of the corruption responsible for finding the problems...

    This sort of thing happens now we don't have a free independent press...
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    Post  GarryB on Fri Feb 28, 2020 7:31 am

    Local Russian media reports it all the time. That aside, here is one source

    Local media get customers by scaring people... immigrants or black people or home invaders or some such crap is what keeps people afraid and watching their news channels... they distort and lie to make the story compelling... I mean these days they have reinactments... what are they? Infomercials?

    Here is another primary research about how migrants of color are flooding Russia. 4.5 million illegals already in Russia, imagine that. Russians are tolerant people, had it been Yankees they would have nuked these countries

    The sources you give are Finland and Luxembourg based... I wouldn't bother going to a Finnish site or an EU site to find accurate unbiased information about Russia... can you guess why?

    And yet no American (leave alone Russian) migrates to Africa or India. It's always the other way round. That clearly reflects that better life is available in the West not in third world countries.

    Lots of white people in the west totally disillusioned by the west and its bullshit... Snowden and Assange and Manning and many many others have revealed terrible crimes committed by the west but have not only been ignored, but have been treated as criminals themselves... it is amazing that these woke activists will waste time abusing people who don't call lady boys ladies or boys which ever they want to be addressed as today, and ignore the real crimes of the west... makes the west a joke really... and not a good joke.

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    Post  jhelb on Fri Feb 28, 2020 2:58 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:
    not true!
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-49394354

    https://www.csmonitor.com/World/2014/0404/Back-to-Africa-For-some-African-Americans-the-answer-is-yes?cmpid=mkt:ggl:dsa-np&gclid=CjwKCAiA7t3yBRADEiwA4GFlI3GItLEPoGOZCh_JKcubvX3C4qwfgo9pBJWsgxAhulBnlJStmR-jfhoCoRUQAvD_BwE

    https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/african-americans-moving-africa-180116092736345.html

    India – 700,000 according to a press release from the White House on 12/06/2017  Philippines – 600,000 (2015)
    Russia – at least 2,008 up to 6,200

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emigration_from_the_United_States#Statistics
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Americans_in_India#Numbers

    https://qz.com/india/1414490/white-american-expats-are-treated-like-royalty-in-india/

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russians_in_India#Immigrants

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russians_in_India#Other_parts_of_India

    From the links that you have shared it's clear that just 845 Russians live in India. Not too many Russians in Africa either. Now compare that with the 20,000 plus Indians in Moscow alone and 50,000 plus Africans. You see what I'm talking about?

    Re those figures of immigration from US to Africa and Asia - those people are mostly of Asian, African decent. Only about 1% of those are White Americans.

    Russians do not enter other countries illegally. That is a patented process of Asians and africans.

    GarryB wrote:Lots of white people in the west totally disillusioned by the west and its bullshit.

    Just like there are people in Russia who are disillusioned with Putin. Yet, no one in Russia or the west contemplates migrating to Africa and Asia. Else disillusion will turn into disaster.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Fri Feb 28, 2020 3:37 pm

    It's still more than "no American (leave alone Russian) migrates to Africa or India." There r also many immigrants from the so-called 3rd World- i.e. developing countries who decide to return there after securing their economic future &/r being fed up with the Western World. It's the same as with those Americans that work & earn big $ in N Dakota oil boom before going back home. Money grease the wheels!
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    Post  jhelb on Fri Feb 28, 2020 6:03 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:It's still more than "no American (leave alone Russian) migrates to Africa or India." There r also many immigrants from the so-called 3rd World- i.e. developing countries who decide to return there after securing their economic future &/r being fed up with the Western World.

    I already explained that to you (and you seem to have reiterated my point). People leaving the west are people of African and Asian origin, hardly any white americans.

    And for every one such person of color who goes back to his roots a few thousands from those countries will migrate to Europe and North America.

    Just 845 Russians live in India. Mostly Russian women married to an Indian male. Russian women have poor taste in men and even in Russia several of them marry blacks and central Asian migrants. These women do NOT represent Russian society.
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    Post  Isos on Fri Feb 28, 2020 11:39 pm

    The sub story is about canada not india.
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    Post  miketheterrible on Fri Feb 28, 2020 11:42 pm

    Isos wrote:The sub story is about canada not india.

    I get what he is saying - that we have gall to call India corrupt yet at same time Canada does this shit.

    I don't think there was a side deal Garry. I truly think our ministers were beyond intelligent enough to figure this shit out
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    Post  GarryB on Sat Feb 29, 2020 3:59 am

    I already explained that to you (and you seem to have reiterated my point). People leaving the west are people of African and Asian origin, hardly any white americans.

    Which just proves white people are racist...

    And by the way there was an article on RT or Sputnik a short while back about white Americans moving to Vietnam to live... it is so cheap to live there and medication is much more affordable than it is in the US... do you think that is going to get better or get worse?

    A few years back a CEO of a drugs company increased the price of one medication that was widely used by 1000%... he openly said it was to benefit the shareholders and maximise their profits... an official at Goldman Sacs who was investing in drugs and pharmaceuticals said a cure is not a good goal because it eliminates disease, what they want investments in is treatments because a treatment is an ongoing reliable income and if the problem is communicable then increases the chance of more people getting the disease and getting more customers... honestly I am myself wondering why we think the US is the centre of civilisation and ethics and morality with that sort of bullshit going on.
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    Post  GarryB on Sat Feb 29, 2020 4:07 am

    You have to look at deals and wonder how they get away with it... I mean the Rafale entered in a competition that specifically said 126 aircraft for 10 billion dollars, and the one they selected they ended up paying about 8 billion for 36 planes... well duh... they were never going to be able to supply 126 Rafales for 10 billion dollars... there was talk of 80 planes for 22 billion dollars... the full number probably would have cost 30 billion or more... but no one seems to have been fired, no one got arrested, in fact there was very little backlash... compare that with them getting an aircraft carrier with a fighter wing of MiG-29KR fighters for 2.4 billion and they shit themselves complaining and moaning.

    It seems when France and the US overcharge them it is OK, but paying market prices for aircraft carriers or full price for Su-30MKI upgrades or to get a 5th gen heavy fighter and they scream bloody murder... those Russians are stealing bread from their childrens mouths...

    Look forward to reading about Indian experience with Ah-64s... they are high maintenance... and expensive...
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Sat Feb 29, 2020 7:21 am

    People leaving the west are people of African and Asian origin, hardly any white americans.
    FYI, the US considered annexing Mexico in 1848, but decided not to- too many Indians (Natives), Mestizos, & Catholics, besides most not speaking any English. Now, the largest expatriate American community is in Mexico, while most illegal immigrants in the US been Mexican for decades.
    President Donald Trump insists on the need for a stronger border wall and criminalizes some of the migrants heading to the United States from Mexico and other nations such as Honduras. Yet there are an estimated 1.5 million Americans now living in Mexico, according to Lori Smith, a representative for the Democrats Abroad organization. ..Mexico is as popular with retirees as it is with working professionals, and Smith estimates that 400,000 of the 1.5 million Americans living in Mexico are retirees.
    https://www.ozy.com/immodest-proposal/time-for-americans-living-in-mexico-to-go-home/92349/

    So, over 1M of them r working there.
    Mexico has a much cheaper standard of living than the United States. For the past few years, one US dollar has been worth just under 20 pesos. And it’s not just goods that are cheaper in Mexico. Labor is also much cheaper than in the US, so it’s quite possible that if you move to Mexico you could hire a maid, gardener, and even possibly a cook. Your dollar will go quite far.
    https://transferwise.com/us/blog/americans-living-in-mexico



    If India was not that far away, there would be a lot more Americans living & working there.


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    Post  Hannibal Barca on Sat Feb 29, 2020 9:48 am

    India has a long tradition of periods under failed statehood.
    They are dangerously moving to the same territory all over again.
    Their recent debacle with Pakistan taught them nothing.
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    Post  jhelb on Sat Feb 29, 2020 11:15 am

    GarryB wrote:It seems when France and the US overcharge them it is OK, but paying market prices for aircraft carriers or full price for Su-30MKI upgrades or to get a 5th gen heavy fighter and they scream bloody murder... those Russians are stealing bread from their childrens mouths...

    There is something called culture. And I've being saying this for eons - Hindus are devoid of any culture, just like blacks. Thuggery, deceit, violence, exploitation, and selfishness comes naturally to them.

    For instance, look at the posts of the hindu members in this forum - no originality, no lateral thinking just copy paste URLs. That too from dubious news outlets.

    Russia should immediately start selling Su 35, Su 57 to Pakistan and China apart from a whole lot of weapons in order to make up for the losses Russia is suffering at the hands of these corrupt Indians.


    Hannibal Barca wrote:India has a long tradition of periods under failed statehood.
    They are dangerously moving to the same territory all over again.
    Their recent debacle with Pakistan taught them nothing.

    It's a failed state because they never achieved full independence. It is still controlled by the UK (and to a lesser extent by US) through their proxies who control politics, bureaucracy, judiciary and military.

    Unlike Russians/Slavs Hindus are not a martial race either. That explains why they were under Islamic rule for over 1000 years and then under British rule for over 200 years.

    At the root of this problem is the disgusting pagan religion that they practice which divides people in the name of caste instead of uniting them.
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    Post  GarryB on Sat Feb 29, 2020 12:22 pm

    There is something called culture. And I've being saying this for eons - Hindus are devoid of any culture, just like blacks. Thuggery, deceit, violence, exploitation, and selfishness comes naturally to them.

    Well I am impressed about your expert indepth knowledge of the culture of Hindus as well as of blacks.

    Where did you come by this knowledge... was it from a white man?

    And the fact that you clearly don't know what an aeon is makes your comment amusing... you haven't been alive long enough to consider that period an aeon.... perhaps if you had you might have a bit of respect for others.

    For instance, look at the posts of the hindu members in this forum - no originality, no lateral thinking just copy paste URLs. That too from dubious news outlets.

    What Hindu members?

    Which members have identified themselves to you as being Hindu?

    For all you know we might all be Hindu.

    If you are referring to Indian members who used to post information about all sorts of military things but don't because racist idiots like you turn them off the forum then in find that amusing... they contributed information and gave opinions based on reason and fact, you, on the other hand give opinions based very much on the nazi ideology your grandparents likely fought against last century... can you tell which I respect more?

    Russia should immediately start selling Su 35, Su 57 to Pakistan and China apart from a whole lot of weapons in order to make up for the losses Russia is suffering at the hands of these corrupt Indians.

    India is a sovereign country that can do as she pleases when it comes to defence purchases. Pakistan can't afford Su-57s and China will just buy two.

    It's a failed state because they never achieved full independence. It is still controlled by the UK (and to a lesser extent by US) through their proxies who control politics, bureaucracy, judiciary and military.

    Failing in what regard?

    Unlike Russians/Slavs Hindus are not a martial race either. That explains why they were under Islamic rule for over 1000 years and then under British rule for over 200 years.

    Hahahahahaha... that is fucking hilarious... do you understand what you just said?

    Martial race is a racist British term that defines the niggers.... the useful niggers are martial races and the useless niggers are the non martial races... so you said Russians and Slavs are useful niggers but the Indians are useless niggers.

    To which I think I will reply you are a cunt... and not in a good way... because I don't think you have neither the depth nor the capacity to provide pleasure.

    At the root of this problem is the disgusting pagan religion that they practice which divides people in the name of caste instead of uniting them.

    As opposed to the Christain religions in their many designs and formats that call all men equal yet result in the US with 1% of the population owning more wealth and land than about 6 billion of the other people on the planet... yeah... that does not divide.

    I am removing this shit to the talking bollocks thread where it belongs.
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    Post  jhelb on Sat Feb 29, 2020 1:02 pm

    GarryB wrote:

    And the fact that you clearly don't know what an aeon is makes your comment amusing...

    Unlike you, English is not my first language. Therefore, errors are natural.



    GarryB wrote:If you are referring to Indian members who used to post information about all sorts of military things but don't because racist idiots like you turn them off the forum then

    You criticise India too. Does that make you a racist? I've on a regular basis spoken out about how the US, UK harms Russian interest. Does that make me a racist?

    I've never abused any member of color on this forum. So no one stopped posting because of my comments.



    GarryB wrote:Failing in what regard?

    In virtually every single aspect of human endeavor. Just like African states. Failed politics, failed judiciary, thoroughly corrupt, the whole nine.

    This is what is happening there right now

    https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/delhi/delhi-violence-live-updates-death-toll-climbs-to-42-warnings-over-attack-alarm-cops/liveblog/74365338.cms

    Such riots happened in Russia too....only during medieval times.
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    Post  GarryB on Sat Feb 29, 2020 1:40 pm

    Unlike you, English is not my first language. Therefore, errors are natural.

    Was not calling you out on spelling... an Aeon is at the bare minimum a lifetime, and generally defines enormous periods of time... ie there have only been four aeons of geological time on earth.... 4.5 billion years... about a billion years each...


    You criticise India too.

    I do, but I don't think they are racially inferior to me, or incapable of doing better... I criticise in the hope they can and will do better... when you describe their problems as being based on their race or religion or ethicity then you are saying effectively they cannot change and are doomed... I don't agree... for anyone.

    Does that make you a racist?

    India is not a race nor is it a religion... there are plenty of christian Indians BTW.

    I've on a regular basis spoken out about how the US, UK harms Russian interest. Does that make me a racist?

    No, it makes you look silly... you recognise the white American government (both sides) and white Brit government (both sides) hate Russia and Russians... except for the slimy ones that want to sell everything to the west at a discount price or just give it away so the west will like them... these fuckers want to harm you and steal your stuff, but you consider them superior to the majority of the people on this planet much more like yourself... they talk about you the way you talk about blacks and Asians and Indians... it would be funny if it wasn't so sad.

    There is no superiority in skin colour or breed or race... age creates more differences than race does.

    I've never abused any member of color on this forum. So no one stopped posting because of my comments.

    You abuse coloured people all the time... you are saying India will never be more than a corrupt shit hole because of all the Hindus and people of colour who live there.

    How many Indian posters did we used to have... and how many do we have now?

    We have some openly racist members... it is pretty obvious who they are... it is the price of diversity and non censorship.

    Banning racists wont stop them being racist, having an honest conversation is more important to me than banning things I don't agree with.

    I find it interesting to hear Aristide for instance... how he has this master race complex... he lives well and is not afraid to show off, and believes he is entitled to such a lifestyle and everyone loves the French right?

    It is a common attitude amongst those with privilege... they are rich because they deserve it and poor people are lazy... they should just get a better paying job right?

    In virtually every single aspect of human endeavor. Just like African states. Failed politics, failed judiciary, thoroughly corrupt, the whole nine.

    This is what is happening there right now

    You know it is funny, because India is in the middle of a revolution... a move from farms to urban industrialisation... the move from farm work to working in factories... when the French did that quite some time ago but certainly not in the middle ages, they found that to save their manual labour jobs they could throw shoes into the machinery so the machines stopped and all the work had to be done manually again... the french word for shoe is sabot, which is where the english language word sabotage... literally to throw a show into the works to damage things to get your way.

    In the west they also had things called unions for workers rights... in the US during the 1920s and 30s if there was a strike then companies like Ford used to hire a brute squad and arm them with guns to go and break up strikes and protests... lots of people were brutally gunned down and they had nothing like Indias population.

    The west is afraid because countries like China and India are sorting their shit out and they wont be the third world pushovers they have been in the past... there are a lot of countries in Africa and Asia that are growing and developing too and realising that the hand the west has been offering all these centuries is a hand on top of their heads holding them under water... the hand from Russia and China and soon India and a lot of other countries however will be different and the west is scared it might be left behind... all it has are promises and dreams that clearly don't come true... the western dream that anyone can arrive with nothing and work hard with a good idea and make their fortune and become wealthy is bullshit... only the rich get richer and the rest get a third job to help pay the rent or the mortgage...
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    Post  jhelb on Sat Feb 29, 2020 2:29 pm

    GarryB wrote:when you describe their problems as being based on their race or religion or ethicity then you are saying effectively they cannot change and are doomed

    It took the Soviet Union less than 50 years to become a superpower. But 70+ years after independence India is a laggard, no hope in site. Society divideded along various faultlines. So it's not me, it's their own history that is stating that they are doomed.



    GarryB wrote:
    No, it makes you look silly... you recognise the white American government (both sides) and white Brit government (both sides) hate Russia and Russians... except for the slimy ones that want to sell everything to the west at a discount price or just give it away so the west will like them... these fuckers want to harm you and steal your stuff, but you consider them superior to the majority of the people on this planet much more like yourself... they talk about you the way you talk about blacks and Asians and Indians... it would be funny if it wasn't so sad.

    Irregardless of what they say, west needs Russia far more than Russia needs the West. They are investing billions of $$ in Russia and lining up outside Russian universities to hire our top computer programmers
    https://www.rbth.com/business/331204-biggest-investors



    GarryB wrote:How many Indian posters did we used to have... and how many do we have now?

    I don't know how many left. You said that Indian posters left because of racists like me. There are White members too who do not seem to be posting these days.

    In any case all that these Indian posters do is copy & paste URLs. I suspect they have found some other platform for that.
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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic on Sat Feb 29, 2020 3:39 pm

    Among quite a bit of racist comments, one thing is true. Unfortunately India has not yet fully got rid of their caste system.

    In addition many jobs that in western europe would be done by intelligent people, even if not college educated, in India are normally relegated to people with less than average capabilities.

    Unfortunately in modern India there is still the mentality that if you are a smart person you don't work with your hands, and so it is difficult to find capable people in roles like high specialised mechanic or Aircraft Maintenance Technician.

    It is not because in India there are not enough smart people, it is because blue collar jobs, even those normally requiring long apprenticeships, are usually despised by people with normal or better than average intelligence...
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    Post  kvs on Sat Feb 29, 2020 4:39 pm

    Rodion_Romanovic wrote:Among quite a bit of racist comments, one thing is true. Unfortunately India has not yet fully got rid of their caste system.

    In addition many jobs that in western europe would be done by intelligent people, even if not college educated, in India are normally relegated to people with less than average capabilities.

    Unfortunately in modern India there is still the mentality that if you are a smart person you don't work with your hands, and so it is difficult to find capable people in roles like high specialised mechanic or Aircraft Maintenance Technician.

    It is not because in India there are not enough smart people, it is because blue collar jobs, even those normally requiring long apprenticeships, are usually despised by people with normal or better than average intelligence...

    That sounds like an excuse. If their national ethic is sloth, then that is hardly evidence of high IQ. Actually intelligent people can see through cultural
    BS and push progress. If nobody in India wants to use their hands, then that is almost the same thing as not using their brains. Typing at the keyboard
    all day is using hands. Now I understand why all the software developed by low bid Indian programmers is such garbage. I suppose the truly intelligent
    in India want to sit on a cushion and dictate their immediate desires to servants. This makes the existence of intelligence in India hypothetical.

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    Post  jhelb on Sat Feb 29, 2020 7:30 pm

    India is roughly 1/6 the size of Russia but has a population that is 6x that of Russia's. To make matters even worse its per capita income is 1/10 of Russia's. Unlike China that is predominantly Hun, hindus have thousands of communities who are constantly fighting amongst each other.

    It's therefore natural they do not make much progress. Asian countries like China, Japan, South Korea, Singapore etc that were much backward than India about 60-70 years ago are now 60-70 years ahead of India on almost all social, economic parameters.

    India should be divided into 15-16 smaller countries of around 70-80 million people. That's the only way they will make progress. Even if India grows at 8%-9% per annum it will take that country 75-80 years to become a middle income country. That's how terrible ground realities are.
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    Post  GarryB on Sun Mar 01, 2020 8:13 am

    It took the Soviet Union less than 50 years to become a superpower.

    It really didn't get much choice in the matter... it was either develop or be destroyed by Germany or the west...

    But 70+ years after independence India is a laggard, no hope in site.

    Yeah, you make development sound like a single path and it totally is not.

    India needs to find a way that suits its culture and beliefs and standards... it can't copy the west because there are not enough third world countries to rape and pillage left.

    Besides following their path will just create another America and the world couldn't handle another country that consumes like the US does with a population of over 1 billion people... it will be bad enough if China heads in that direction...

    What the world needs are rather more sensible people in power and in control and pushing culture away from consumerism and more towards self sufficiency and respect.

    Society divideded along various faultlines. So it's not me, it's their own history that is stating that they are doomed.

    Every society on the planet has divisions... male and female, skin colour, religion, ethnicity, sports teams, smoking and non smoking... people who care about others and those who barely care for themselves and care nothing for other people...

    Irregardless of what they say, west needs Russia far more than Russia needs the West.

    Absolutely true, but in the same sense the influenza virus needs humans too, so it doesn't kill all humans... just the elderly and the young because that strengthens the breed and ensures a healthy stock to live in.

    They are investing billions of $$ in Russia and lining up outside Russian universities to hire our top computer programmers

    They are investing to make money and nothing else... most investers have no idea what they are investing in... most managed funds have a portfolio in a range of areas and countries so any problems wont effect all the investments at once, but the purpose is not to support the country the things they are investing in... the purpose is to extract money out of it for you... the investor.

    I don't know how many left. You said that Indian posters left because of racists like me. There are White members too who do not seem to be posting these days.

    In any case all that these Indian posters do is copy & paste URLs. I suspect they have found some other platform for that.

    I am a mod... I get told lots of things in confidence that obviously I can't talk about as these comments were private... several posters who no longer post commented on my lack of action against clearly racist members and their offensive posts.

    There is no rule on this forum about racism, only about offending members and mods, but I like it like that.

    Not because I like racism... and I mean real racism, not PC racism which is often justified criticism like of the US or Israel which is ignored by casting the person raising the points as being racist or anti semetic.

    People are racist, they can't help it and often people are racist trying to appear to not be racist. A black family might be all smiles when their daughter brings home a white man, or an asian family might also be all smiles when their son brings home a white woman, but those families might not want mixed race new family members for all the same reasons white families might not welcome a black or asian or other new addition to their family.

    That is racism of course, but are you going to ban them for being afraid or just ignorant? Would the black family prefer their daughter marries a black man who beats her up instead of a white man she can smack around... am I being racist for suggesting either alternatives?

    Plenty of white men hit their white wives and a few white women hit their white men, but women are too afraid to admit it most of the time as are men too ashamed too. Anger problems are not limited to men... and cross all ethnicities and colours.

    Unfortunately India has not yet fully got rid of their caste system.

    So? Are you saying everyone in the west is equal? Instead of caste how about race or ethnicity....

    In addition many jobs that in western europe would be done by intelligent people, even if not college educated, in India are normally relegated to people with less than average capabilities.

    Over time things change... these days in the west a college education means squat... everyone has one so they become meaningless for a job interview...

    My lecturer told me the degree I was working on would not get me a job, it should get me to a short list and probably an interview but it was down to me to get the job... and he was right. Half the time what you learn at uni is not what is used in the real world, but they take the fact that you passed to mean you have the capacity to learn and develop and grow so they will take you on and show you what they do.

    There was two computer programmes at university when I went there... information science and computer science and the difference was made clear in the last year. Both required a computer system be developed to the system proposal stage with working prototype screens and working example system. The main difference was that in the CS department you got a page list of requirements and could do it in any programming language you liked. In info sci we had to go out in to the community and find a business and create a system proposal for them.

    One you sat alone and worked it all out yourself and the other you had to find a customer and evaluate their current systems and situation and determine if a computer system is needed and then develop it using their forms and data etc etc.

    Basically the computer science programme creates excellent coders and hardware specialists, while info sci creates people who manage them and get them work or communicate with customers to get specs and requirements for them to build systems.

    Unfortunately in modern India there is still the mentality that if you are a smart person you don't work with your hands, and so it is difficult to find capable people in roles like high specialised mechanic or Aircraft Maintenance Technician.

    Shortages create demand...


    It is not because in India there are not enough smart people, it is because blue collar jobs, even those normally requiring long apprenticeships, are usually despised by people with normal or better than average intelligence...

    Lots of people have jobs they don't like...

    India is roughly 1/6 the size of Russia but has a population that is 6x that of Russia's. To make matters even worse its per capita income is 1/10 of Russia's. Unlike China that is predominantly Hun, hindus have thousands of communities who are constantly fighting amongst each other.

    China, Russia, India... all three countries have stereotypes and all three are changing and developing...

    It's therefore natural they do not make much progress.

    You mean like Europe during the Dark Ages when all progress was stifled by religion and petty squabbling amongst themselves?

    Asian countries like China, Japan, South Korea, Singapore etc that were much backward than India about 60-70 years ago are now 60-70 years ahead of India on almost all social, economic parameters.

    Which just proves change is normal and inevitable...

    India should be divided into 15-16 smaller countries of around 70-80 million people. That's the only way they will make progress. Even if India grows at 8%-9% per annum it will take that country 75-80 years to become a middle income country. That's how terrible ground realities are.

    Didn't you say they were already divided into thousands of separate groups by their religions?

    And how many pieces should Russia be divided in to to make it better and more efficient?

    Funny how Europeans claim the EU makes them strong but think everyone else needs to be broken up into smaller pieces...

    Perhaps a better solution is to ban all religion and rejoin Pakistan and Bangledesh to India?

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