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    Talking bollocks thread #2

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    Post  Tsavo Lion Sat Feb 16, 2019 11:40 pm

    No1 can prevent China from making her own A-380 counterpart.
    He asked u a ? but u insulted me & others implying we r "non-Europeans", "old man", & for "posting shit". When u point a finger at others, ur other 3 fingers point back at u, so don't take offence & be surprised!
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    Post  Aristide Sat Feb 16, 2019 11:45 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:No1 can prevent China from making her own A-380 counterpart.
    He asked u a ? but u insulted me & others implying we r "non-Europeans", "old man", & for "posting shit". When u point a finger at others, ur other 3 fingers point back at u, so don't take offence & be surprised!

    The problem is, you see life like in iran or venezuela as ok. They live like dogs but thats ok for you.

    Im ok with that. You have your opinion, i have mine. Since i like winning, i stay with mine.
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    Post  Kimppis Sat Feb 16, 2019 11:58 pm

    And you believe China will buy its own Jumbo? Do you think China is retarded?

    WTF is this? And you seriously think they won't!? Laughing Laughing Laughing You think the Western duopoly will somehow last until the end of time? Why, how?? I have some news for you: it won't even last until the end of the next decade. China will be a technological behemoth by 2025.

    The blocking of Huawei also just proves that 1. you are America's puppets and 2. that China is winning. And so what? I agree something like that is probably inevitable, great power blocks and competition is the "normal state of history" or whatever, and the last 20 to 30 years were mostly just an anomaly. But hell, even China's own domestic market will be large enough to overtake the West combined! And you can certainly add most of the rest of the world to that. So Crimea river...
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    Post  Aristide Sun Feb 17, 2019 12:04 am

    Kimppis wrote:
    And you believe China will buy its own Jumbo? Do you think China is retarded?

    WTF is this? And you seriously think they won't!? Laughing Laughing Laughing You think the Western duopoly will somehow last until the end of time? Why, how?? I have some news for you: it won't even last until the end of the next decade. China will be a technological behemoth by 2025.

    The blocking of Huawei also just proves that 1. you are America's puppets and 2. that China is winning. And so what? I agree something like that is probably inevitable, great power blocks and competition is the "normal state of history" or whatever, and the last 20 to 30 years were mostly just an anomaly. But hell, even China's own domestic market will be large enough to overtake the West combined! And you can certainly add most of the rest of the world to that. So Crimea river...

    Nobody buys Jumbos. A380 is dead. Boeing 747 is dead. What else will China build? Zeppelin?

    Dude if China builds an old concept like jumbo jets, then they are lost.

    And no, Huawei is a chinese state company, we dont want them spy on us. Its in french interest to block them and give contract to french companies.

    You are incoherent in your ideas.

    Im sure you agree that France should never give contracts to foreign companies.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Sun Feb 17, 2019 12:21 am

    The problem is, you see life like in iran or venezuela as ok. They live like dogs but thats ok for you.
    Better to die standing than live on ur knees! If they still live worse than u, it's because of the people like u. A great country doesn't scheme to divide, conquer & exploit/plunder others while justifying it with flimsy theories & louding its science & culture.
    Nobody buys Jumbos.
    China will buy more, in case u didn't read those links, & she is not "nobody", but the most populous nation with the 2nd largest economy. They use jumbos on domestic routes too. This relieves airport congestion, saves fuel & smaller aircraft use/maintenance costs:
    https://www.routesonline.com/news/29/breaking-news/249703/where-does-the-airbus-a380-fly-q4-2018-network-update/
    https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/244618/air-china-w14-boeing-747-400-8i-domestic-operations-as-of-29sep14/
    https://samchui.com/2015/09/25/air-china-b747-8i-beijing-shanghai-domestic-experience/

    Relations with India may get better & she too may buy future Chinese jumbos- by then her population may surpass China's.
    So far, ur posts clearly showed how little u really know & that u don't even bother to do some basic online research before spitting out nonsense.
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    Post  GarryB Sun Feb 17, 2019 3:27 am

    French companies don't have 5G technology... you will be trading the small potential of Chinese spying on you for the 100% certainty that the US will be spying on you and screwing you over on export contracts because Boeing will get details of Airbus offers before the customer does...
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Sun Feb 17, 2019 4:12 am

    None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free. Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
    https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/johann_wolfgang_von_goeth_134023

    That includes being a slave to greed, pleasures, & looking down on others.
    One can never guard his home when it's full of jade and fine gold.
    http://www.mobilewords.pro/Tao/chap09.htm

    When virtue is lost, benevolence appears, when benevolence is lost, right conduct appears, when right conduct is lost, expedience appears. Expediency is the mere shadow of right and truth; it is the beginning of disorder.
    There is no calamity greater than lavish desires. There is no greater guilt than discontentment. And there is no greater disaster than greed.
    If your happiness depends on money, you will never be happy with yourself.

    Some lose yet gain, others gain and yet lose.-Lao Tzu

    Read more https://www.focusfied.com/lao-tzu-quotes/


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    Post  higurashihougi Sun Feb 17, 2019 4:15 am

    Aristide wrote:And with all due respect...russia exported planes to shithole countries.

    Russia export titanium parts for plane to Airbus and Boeing.

    Russia export space-travel planes to USA and Europe. Western cosmonauts go to ISS via Russian space-travel planes.

    Period.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Sun Feb 17, 2019 4:31 am

    higurashihougi wrote:Russia export space-travel planes to USA and Europe. Western cosmonauts go to ISS via Russian space-travel planes. Period.
    No, those r spacecrafts & rocket engines. The USAF SR-71 also used Russian supplied titanium.
    They also exported 100s of helicopters:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mil_Mi-2#Operators - produced in Poland
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mil_Mi-4#Operators
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mil_Mi-8#Operators
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Mil_Mi-8/17_operators

    Mi-26s were used to lift 2 crashed US CH-47 & other cargoes around the world no other helo can:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mil_Mi-26#Operators

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mil_Mi-26#Afghanistan_Chinook_recovery
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mil_Mi-26#Norwegian_Air_Force_Sea_King_recovery

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    That would be good location for Russian a base!
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    Post  Aristide Sun Feb 17, 2019 7:09 am

    higurashihougi wrote:
    Aristide wrote:And with all due respect...russia exported planes to shithole countries.

    Russia export titanium parts for plane to Airbus and Boeing.

    Russia export space-travel planes to USA and Europe. Western cosmonauts go to ISS via Russian space-travel planes.

    Period.

    What are western cosmonauts? We have astronauts.

    That said, will be hard for China to buy Jumbos...the A380 program ends and 747 as well. Not profitable anymore. The jet set wants direct flights, the hub idea is a thing of the past.

    And nobody wants to fly with an aircraft build by the pancake faces.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Sun Feb 17, 2019 7:36 am

    ..will be hard for China to buy Jumbos...the A380 program ends
    Did u see those links about them planning to order more?
    They have the demand, so there will be supply.
    And nobody wants to fly with an aircraft build by the pancake faces.
    No1 will try to force France to buy Chinese made jumbos, & stop speaking for others! Not all of them have round faces!
    https://www.google.com/search?q=Chinese+faces&tbm=isch&source=univ&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjXoOSykMLgAhWo5lQKHZkuCM0QsAR6BAgBEAE&biw=994&bih=429

    https://www.quora.com/How-do-the-faces-of-North-Chinese-compare-with-those-of-South-Chinese

    https://www.shutterstock.com/search/chinese+faces
    https://www.shutterstock.com/search/chinese+faces?searchterm=chinese%20faces&language=en&page=2§ion=1
    https://www.shutterstock.com/search/chinese+faces?page=3§ion=1&searchterm=chinese%20faces&language=en

    I once was mistaken for a Chinese by a man at a railway station. He asked me something in Chinese. I also saw 1 man who resembled a distant relative of mine.

    The Japanese r also of several types, & they make good planes:
    https://www.google.com/search?q=Japanese++faces&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjt25D9lsLgAhWJJDQIHVscAKAQ_AUIDigB&biw=994&bih=429

    https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/japan-mitsubishi-first-passenger-jet/index.html

    So, don't judge a book by its cover!


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    Post  Aristide Sun Feb 17, 2019 8:11 am

    Tsavo Lion wrote:
    ..will be hard for China to buy Jumbos...the A380 program ends
    Did u see those links about them planning to order more?
    They have the demand, so there will be supply.
    And nobody wants to fly with an aircraft build by the pancake faces.
    No1 will try to force France to buy Chinese made jumbos, & stop speaking for others! Not all of them have round faces!
    https://www.google.com/search?q=Chinese+faces&tbm=isch&source=univ&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjXoOSykMLgAhWo5lQKHZkuCM0QsAR6BAgBEAE&biw=994&bih=429

    https://www.quora.com/How-do-the-faces-of-North-Chinese-compare-with-those-of-South-Chinese

    https://www.shutterstock.com/search/chinese+faces
    https://www.shutterstock.com/search/chinese+faces?searchterm=chinese%20faces&language=en&page=2§ion=1
    https://www.shutterstock.com/search/chinese+faces?page=3§ion=1&searchterm=chinese%20faces&language=en

    I once was mistaken for a Chinese by a man at a railway station. He asked me something in Chinese. I also saw 1 man who resembled a distant relative of mine.

    The Japanese r also of several types, & they make good planes:
    https://www.google.com/search?q=Japanese++faces&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjt25D9lsLgAhWJJDQIHVscAKAQ_AUIDigB&biw=994&bih=429

    https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/japan-mitsubishi-first-passenger-jet/index.html

    So, don't judge a book by its cover!

    Dude...last week Airbus announced the end of the A380 production.

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    Post  Tsavo Lion Sun Feb 17, 2019 8:36 am

    It could be restarted. In any case, they can break apart 1-2 they already have like they did an A-320 to see it's anatomy. It's not the 1st time they half-reverse engineered something. A case in point is ARJ-21:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comac_ARJ21#Design

    Also Shanghai Y-10:
    The Y-10 is an indigenous Chinese design. In 1970, the factory got a Pakistan Boeing 707 crashed in Hetian, Xinjiang to study it. While the planes were reverse-engineered copies of the Boeing 707—one report claimed that after Chinese engineers disassembled a 707 to study it, neither the reassembled original nor the copy would fly—both the Y-10's designers and Boeing denied this. While the Y-10 resembles the 707, its dimensions are closer to the Boeing 720 than the 707, and the internal design is very different.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanghai_Y-10

    Y-8:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaanxi_Y-8#Design_and_development

    H-6/K:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xian_H-6

    The original Tu-16 was used to make the Tu-104 in the USSR.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupolev_Tu-104#Design_and_development

    China could do the same but chose not to.
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    Post  Aristide Sun Feb 17, 2019 8:42 am

    Tsavo Lion wrote:It could be restarted. In any case, they can break apart 1-2 they already have like they did an A-320 to see it's anatomy. It's not the 1st time they half-reverse engineered something. A case in point is ARJ-21:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comac_ARJ21#Design

    Also Shanghai Y-10:
    The Y-10 is an indigenous Chinese design. In 1970, the factory got a Pakistan Boeing 707 crashed in Hetian, Xinjiang to study it. While the planes were reverse-engineered copies of the Boeing 707—one report claimed that after Chinese engineers disassembled a 707 to study it, neither the reassembled original nor the copy would fly—both the Y-10's designers and Boeing denied this. While the Y-10 resembles the 707, its dimensions are closer to the Boeing 720 than the 707, and the internal design is very different.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanghai_Y-10

    Y-8:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaanxi_Y-8#Design_and_development

    H-6/K:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xian_H-6

    The original Tu-16 was used to make the Tu-104 in the USSR.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupolev_Tu-104#Design_and_development

    China could do the same but chose not to.

    Copy an obsolete design. Very Happy

    What else they copy? Steam engines?
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Sun Feb 17, 2019 6:02 pm

    They copied & improved them, like with Y-600, Y-9, & it serves their requirements: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xian_Y-7#Variants
    http://www.airwar.ru/enc/craft/y9.html
    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaanxi_Y-9

    The C919 is a cautious design, similar to the 30 years older A320:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comac_C919
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comac_C919#Market

    The Russians did the same thing in the last century. They have to start somewhere; "a journey of 1K miles start with a 1st step".

    France, Sweden, Russia & US deeply modernize their older aircraft all the time- Mirage fighters, A-320/-330, J-39, C-130, B-737/-777/-52, F-15/-16/-18, Tu-95/-142/-22M, Il-76/-96, An-2, Il-38, MiG-21/-29/-31 & Su-27/-35.
    They make & sell diesel engines, FYI.
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    Post  kvs Sun Feb 17, 2019 7:14 pm

    I sense the usual NATO brainwash.    It is popular in NATO propaganda to portray the Tu-95 as a "reverse engineered copy" of the Boeing B-29

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    Compare to the Tu-95

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    This claim is so retarded it hurts the brain to listen to it:

    1) where are the swept wings?

    2) the B-29 has a maximum speed of 570 km/hr compared to 926 km/hr for the Tu-95

    3) the B-29 has a range of 5,200 km compared to 15,000 km for the Tu-95

    4) the B-29 service ceiling is 9,710 m compared to 13,716 m for the Tu-95

    5) the B-29 loaded weight maximum is 54,000 kg while for the Tu-95 it is 171,000 kg.

    6) the B-29 has a maximum wing load of 337 kg/m^2 compared to 606 kg/m^2 for the Tu-95.


    The only similarity between the Tu-95 and the B-29 is that they are made out of shiny unpainted aluminum.   How can a reverse engineered
    copy be vastly superior in every metric?   And actually not even be in the same category.   NATO residents are basically retards.
    If you find that offensive, stop trying to pull your used car salesman shtick ad nauseam as if you have informed people conned.
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    Post  Aristide Sun Feb 17, 2019 7:39 pm

    kvs wrote:I sense the usual NATO brainwash.    It is popular in NATO propaganda to portray the Tu-95 as a "reverse engineered copy" of the Boeing B-29

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    Compare to the Tu-95

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    This claim is so retarded it hurts the brain to listen to it:

    1) where are the swept wings?

    2) the B-29 has a maximum speed of 570 km/hr compared to 926 km/hr for the Tu-95

    3) the B-29 has a range of 5,200 km compared to 15,000 km for the Tu-95

    4) the B-29 service ceiling is 9,710 m compared to 13,716 m for the Tu-95

    5) the B-29 loaded weight maximum is 54,000 kg while for the Tu-95 it is 171,000 kg.

    6) the B-29 has a maximum wing load of 337 kg/m^2 compared to 606 kg/m^2 for the Tu-95.


    The only similarity between the Tu-95 and the B-29 is that they are made out of shiny unpainted aluminum.   How can a reverse engineered
    copy be vastly superior in every metric?   And actually not even be in the same category.   NATO residents are basically retards.
    If you find that offensive, stop trying to pull your used car salesman shtick ad nauseam as if you have informed people conned.

    Well the USSR copied almost evrything.

    The most funny copy they made was when they tried to steal our plans for Concorde and we gave them compromised plans of the Concorde.

    The russian version was a flawed design which incorporated flaws that were put in to trick the russians. It led to several crashs of their version and after just a few flights they ended their program

    Concorde had a 30 year service time and only one accident, which was not even the fault of Concorde.

    While the cheap russian copy crashed again and again and had critical design flaws.


    The grand meeting between our legendary Concorde and the russian copy TU-144 at the Paris Air Show is legendary in France

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    When both aircrafts performed formation flight and suddenly the russian "Concordsky" broke apart

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    Post  Tsavo Lion Sun Feb 17, 2019 8:29 pm

    Well the USSR copied almost everything.
    Some things like nukes & Buran they developed on their own with help from espionage & open sources info. to save time & $.
    We discussed the Tu-4 copy of the B-29 & Il-12/-14 copy/follow on of the DC-3 on the Tu-22 tread; those & other follow-ons were Soviet designs, not copies.
    The Tu-144 had 1 test crash landing; those planes were used to carry mail & passengers before the Tu-144D crashed during the test flight on 23 May 1978. The crash at the air show was thanks to a French fighter shadowing it- the pilot tried to avoid a collision & put too much stress on it, leading to the plane's break up:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupolev_Tu-144#Operational_history
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupolev_Tu-144#Paris_Air_Show_crash

    The Concorde won't be returned to service:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concorde#Return_to_service_plan

    Their performances r similar:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupolev_Tu-144#Specifications_(Tu-144D)
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concorde#Specifications
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    Post  kvs Sun Feb 17, 2019 8:39 pm

    Ah, another NATO propaganda lie about Konkordsky being a rip off. Sure thing there. Look at the narrowness of the fuselage of the Tu-95 and
    Soviet supersonic jets:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myasishchev_M-4

    The Concorde is an M-4 with a delta wing.

    BTW, none of the US and NATO large military jets of the 1950s looked anything like the Soviet designs. The Concorde is clearly a derivative
    of these narrow fuselage Soviet jets.

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    Post  Tsavo Lion Sun Feb 24, 2019 4:02 am

    Will Russia &/ China stop the regime change in Caracas as she did in Damascus? Time will tell.
    The US elite has max. 35 more years before the whites will become a minority.
    When that happens, the racial composition will become mostly Hispanic, Asian, Black, & mixed. They'll produce a new elite that won't be colonizing any1 in the Americas. By then the USA itself may break up.
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    Post  GarryB Sun Feb 24, 2019 10:05 am

    But America calls itself a melting pot... a genetically diverse culture that is PC and open and honest and fair and loves peace and democracy.... Hahahahaahahhaaa... sorry... can't keep saying that with a straight face....
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    Post  LMFS Sun Feb 24, 2019 12:12 pm

    Yesterday's provocations were poor and ineffective, the opposition resorting to burning trucks themselves and using violence in hopes of getting some headline for their masters. Hell, even one opposition leader got beaten himself at the border by his own people Razz

    So now it is all about military intervention or not. I suspect Trump will not be very pleased about the way this coup has been managed and about the reliability of his advisers, will he still think he must listen to them and involve US military?
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    Post  ATLASCUB Sun Feb 24, 2019 1:24 pm

    GarryB wrote:But America calls itself a melting pot... a genetically diverse culture that is PC and open and honest and fair and loves peace and democracy.... Hahahahaahahhaaa... sorry... can't keep saying that with a straight face....

    Take peace out and you can fairly say that with a straight face.
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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg Sun Feb 24, 2019 1:38 pm

    US isnt a melting pot. It simply assimilates everyone into generic Anglo-American culture. Eating foods from all around the world does not mean being culturally diverse, everyone does the same now.

    A true melting pot is India where people vary much more than just culinary preferences.

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    Post  higurashihougi Sun Feb 24, 2019 1:38 pm

    kvs wrote:So you had people start to produce quality meat and sausages, and other produce.  When
    they tried to ship these goods to markets in large cities such as Moscow, "mafia" elements came out of nowhere to stop, seize and
    destroy these goods.   These "mafias" were serving someone's agenda, but I doubt that someone was localized in Russia.   This was
    pure sabotage and I can't see how any sort of competition in a climate of good deficit would lead to such dirty tricks between local
    producers and resellers.   I could see such dirty tricks emerge when the market was saturated and the margins were to small.  

    Sorry for Off Topic but is there any website/documents/papers... that I can dig in for more information about that issue ?

    Documents in Russian is fine, somehow I can ask other people to translate or Google Translate it.

    Thank you. russia respekt

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