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    Post  JohninMK Tue Apr 03, 2018 4:14 pm

    At least the French source confirms two of them. Maybe the others are just tiny outposts.
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    Post  Admin Wed Apr 04, 2018 2:52 pm

    French Soldiers Enter Parts of Northern Syria as US Troops Withdraw - Reports

    Middle East
    18:42 03.04.2018(updated 15:49 04.04.2018)

    French military personnel have been deployed to Syria and are now patrolling areas in northern parts of the country under the control of the Kurdish-led Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF), according to reports by the Kurdistan 24 news agency, citing Rezan Gilo, the joint chief of defense of Syrian Kurdistan.

    An unknown number of French troops reportedly entered the border town of Tell Abyad and the city of Manbij this afternoon after US troops withdrew.

    Turkey has repeatedly threatened to attack the city of Manbij and other parts of northern Syria after its successful cross-border military operation in Afrin.

    On March 29, French President Emmanuel Macron vowed to send troops to the area to deter any Turkish aggression, according to daily newspaper Le Parisien.

    The newspaper also claimed that the deployment of troops from the French Army to Syria was being coordinated with the US, which already operates a number of military facilities throughout SDF-controlled parts of Syria.

    This latest development seemingly indicates that US President Donald Trump was referring to France when he said the US would be leaving Syria very soon “to let others take care of it.”

    https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/201804031063173867-french-troops-patrol-syria/
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    Post  Isos Wed Apr 04, 2018 7:44 pm

    Vladimir79 wrote:French Soldiers Enter Parts of Northern Syria as US Troops Withdraw - Reports

    Middle East
    18:42 03.04.2018(updated 15:49 04.04.2018)

    French military personnel have been deployed to Syria and are now patrolling areas in northern parts of the country under the control of the Kurdish-led Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF), according to reports by the Kurdistan 24 news agency, citing Rezan Gilo, the joint chief of defense of Syrian Kurdistan.

    An unknown number of French troops reportedly entered the border town of Tell Abyad and the city of Manbij this afternoon after US troops withdrew.

    Turkey has repeatedly threatened to attack the city of Manbij and other parts of northern Syria after its successful cross-border military operation in Afrin.

    On March 29, French President Emmanuel Macron vowed to send troops to the area to deter any Turkish aggression, according to daily newspaper Le Parisien.

    The newspaper also claimed that the deployment of troops from the French Army to Syria was being coordinated with the US, which already operates a number of military facilities throughout SDF-controlled parts of Syria.

    This latest development seemingly indicates that US President Donald Trump was referring to France when he said the US would be leaving Syria very soon “to let others take care of it.”

    https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/201804031063173867-french-troops-patrol-syria/

    There is no such statement in the french media. Sputnik is not a reliable source. Every days they claim US are about to attack SAA because of false chemical attacks ...
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    Post  kvs Wed Apr 04, 2018 9:24 pm

    Isos wrote:
    Vladimir79 wrote:French Soldiers Enter Parts of Northern Syria as US Troops Withdraw - Reports

    Middle East
    18:42 03.04.2018(updated 15:49 04.04.2018)

    French military personnel have been deployed to Syria and are now patrolling areas in northern parts of the country under the control of the Kurdish-led Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF), according to reports by the Kurdistan 24 news agency, citing Rezan Gilo, the joint chief of defense of Syrian Kurdistan.

    An unknown number of French troops reportedly entered the border town of Tell Abyad and the city of Manbij this afternoon after US troops withdrew.

    Turkey has repeatedly threatened to attack the city of Manbij and other parts of northern Syria after its successful cross-border military operation in Afrin.

    On March 29, French President Emmanuel Macron vowed to send troops to the area to deter any Turkish aggression, according to daily newspaper Le Parisien.

    The newspaper also claimed that the deployment of troops from the French Army to Syria was being coordinated with the US, which already operates a number of military facilities throughout SDF-controlled parts of Syria.

    This latest development seemingly indicates that US President Donald Trump was referring to France when he said the US would be leaving Syria very soon “to let others take care of it.”

    https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/201804031063173867-french-troops-patrol-syria/

    There is no such statement in the french media. Sputnik is not a reliable source. Every days they claim US are about to attack SAA because of false chemical attacks ...

    You are full of it. They already staged two chemical attacks in concert with the USA which used them as pretexts to attack but in the case
    of the 2013 false flag, Russia sent a whole fleet into the eastern Mediterranean and brokered a deal where Syria destroyed all of its chemical
    weapons stocks. This prevented a clear Libya style US air campaign to depose Assad.

    And you run around claiming that the clear plans for a chemical false flag in east Ghoutta are not real. Bugger off.

    No Sputnik does not claim "every day" you liar. And I suppose you think French media sources are 100% the truth. Skripal,
    Litvinenko, Chechnya (invasion of Daghestan by Chechen Wahabbi warlords in in 1999 was covered as Russian invasion of
    itself, i.e. repelling them from Daghestan), spreading the blood libel lie that "1999 apartment bombings in Russia were staged
    by the FSB as a pretext to invade Chechnya". As if the invasion of Daghestan by jihadis was not enough of a pretext.

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    Post  Isos Wed Apr 04, 2018 9:53 pm

    You are full of it. They already staged two chemical attacks in concert with the USA which used them as pretexts to attack but in the case
    of the 2013 false flag, Russia sent a whole fleet into the eastern Mediterranean and brokered a deal where Syria destroyed all of its chemical
    weapons stocks. This prevented a clear Libya style US air campaign to depose Assad.

    And you run around claiming that the clear plans for a chemical false flag in east Ghoutta are not real. Bugger off.

    No Sputnik does not claim "every day" you liar. And I suppose you think French media sources are 100% the truth. Skripal,
    Litvinenko, Chechnya (invasion of Daghestan by Chechen Wahabbi warlords in in 1999 was covered as Russian invasion of
    itself, i.e. repelling them from Daghestan), spreading the blood libel lie that "1999 apartment bombings in Russia were staged
    by the FSB as a pretext to invade Chechnya". As if the invasion of Daghestan by jihadis was not enough of a pretext.

    If it was known french media would have made articles about it and today the only one I saw saying french forces replaced US in syria was this one above.

    French media are not what you describ. At least not all some are. The most recent exemple is Sarkozy connection to Lybian money. The thing started because a french newspaper gave some proofs about that. I don't think you would see a russian newspaper doing that to Putin.

    French sputnik news had made a lot of articles almost every week about a US attack since the US girl in UN said they could attack again syria. It never happened.

    For those things of spies being killed no one here knows the truth and russia may have killed them.

    It's not because US gov and army are piece of shit and that russia is the counterpart to them that it makes russia and putin the good guys.
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    Post  AbdulhamidtheSecond Wed Apr 04, 2018 10:33 pm

    https://www.trtworld.com/turkey/erdogan-urges-all-actors-in-syria-to-distance-themselves-from-terror-groups-16467

    Trilateral talks between Iran/Turkey/Russia in Ankara has ended.

    This is the second time that leaders of guarantor states of Astana process have met. The first meeting was made at Sochi. And third will be made at Tehran.

    I felt a strong anti-American atmosphere there. By Ruhani stating "US cannot be trusted" and Erdogan saying "Sides should distance themselves from seperatists" etc.



    And the final declaration was also interesting.

    Main messages:

    -Syria's unity and integrity shall be protected
    -A new constitution will be prepared
    -Political solution will be reached
    -Terror groups will be distinguished from armed opposition factions that join de escalation and ceasefire regimes.
    -No secret agendas by using the cover of "fighting terrorism" (US's theatre with Daesh)
    -Joint humanitarian missions


    Etcetera


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    Post  Vann7 Fri Apr 06, 2018 8:51 am

    Vladimir79 wrote:
    AbdulhamidtheSecond wrote:Info circulating here about AMRAAM's and NATO transponders is completely bullshit.

    AMRAAM's engagement protocol is active radar contact by the AMRAAM's own RF seeker. And that is directed by the host aircraft. Turkish AMRAAMs can even shoot down another Turkish planes. And AMRAAM and likewise munitions do not have any IFF protocol.

    Whoever claims such things has no clue about NATO munitions...

    Watch your language.  AMRAAM receives mid-course guidance from the aircraft's radar or Link 16 which is tied into IFF.   It will not allow the aircraft to launch the missile at a friendly without an override which tier 2 export versions don't have. There has never been a frat incident with an AMRAAM where the transponder was squawking on the correct frequency.

    Never knew about Turkey Airforce limitations.. it will not be surprising , that Turkey Airforce can't target French Planes
    using American missiles. However my point is ,that ERdogan is unpredictable and emotional Guy , he have proven that he can take decisions regardless of consequences , hence the shotdown of Russian plane when was flying over syria.
    So if Erdogan is annoyed by US presence in Kurds zone and lose patience , he will give the order to Invade Manbji
    and there is nothing French will be able to do to stop it.. not a chance.. Artillery of Turkey will simply bomb French Positions.. and Turkey army ,with suicide bombers trucks FSA leading the charge can over Run french special forces positions inside MAnbji in a matter of hours.. You cannot stop a big army invasion of 20k soldiers or even 50k with a dozen combat french planes. You need a strong army boosting the ground . So France will simply retreat ,because any soldiers killed will be bad image for Macron.

    The way things are developing , now .. in Syria ,looks like Americans will be kicked for real from Syria from all parts of it..and will face the biggest humiliation and defeat in US history. Military ,political ,economical and moral defeat. if Erdogan do what he said ,of taking a buffer zones across all North Syria and Manbji too.. it will be the end of the kurdistan project. and for US and FrAnce will remove their troops from Syria. SInce turkey can bomb any military airport and military base in Kurdis zones.. Neither US or France ,have the logistics and manpower to stop 100k++ Turkey army soldiers near both sides of the Syrian border. that already he have in the zone. In other words Kurds are doomed ,and Americans ,France and Saudi Arabia seems that will get ZERO ,nothing from Syria and will actually lose a NATO member which will be the most painful thing.. because without Turkey , NATO will be unable to block Russian navy from sending warships to ITALY ,where most important military Naval bases of Americans are in Europe and will allow Russia to protect Serbia ,which is also on the hit list by NATO. After Syria war ends , Russia can focus in deploying a base in Algeria and west africa ,so that Russian warships can quickly monitor US eastern coast.

    So from worse to less bad.. here is how i think ,things will be..
    - The biggest losers on Syrian Conflict...?
    1)Kurds..  dito.. they could lose all their territories if Turkey invade all north Syria..
    2)US,Israel ,France ,Saudi Arabia. they will lose all their rebels and money invested
    3)Syria ,will potentially lose Kurdish zones and Erdogan backed terrorist zones but will win a significantly stronger Army and significantly stronger air defenses to stop any NATO or Israel ,if so Syria desires to close its airspace.
    4) Turkey - Even though Erdogan can over run northern Syria ., they have no chance to hold those positions..for long
    because if they fight Americans and France will face a quagmire and Afgan vs soviet like war.. that will bleed Turkey
    economy. The only way Americans can stop Turkey in short term..speaking in probable policies point of view, ( using nukes or a trillion dollar expensive Full scale american invasion) is with economic sanctions.. but they can retaliate by blocking American and NATO warships that do not belong to the zone from entry to black sea..and by closing NATO military base in Turkey.. which will be a BIG WIN For Russia security. and a major blow to Americans defense shield.
    and IRON Curtain. around Russia.

    Turkey can even Ruin NATO goals to overthrow IRAN government by IRAN giving green light to bomb Kurdish zones in IRAN border with IRAN support.


    Big winners.
    1)Russia
    2)Turkey - if erdogan see the light at the end ,and make an alliance with Russia ,IRAN ,IRAQ ,after he abandon his terrorist rebels and restore relations With Syria.. If Turkey joins them , all nations can help each other in their security and territorial integrity.This will be very bad news for US,Israel,Saudi Arabia ,who are the biggest players seeking to dominate the entire middle east.
    3)IRAN - will benefit from Russia stronger position in middle east .

    if Erdogan can continue improving relations with Russia,IRAN ,IRAQ and the unthikable with Syria , then effectively
    Kurds will be the biggest losers of all.. and will become disarmed and refugees in Syria/IRAQ controlled zones..
    and nobody will care.. because they got what they earned.. their opportunism and treason ,in trying to Use Americans to steal territory away from Syria,IRAQ and IRAN and Turkey will blow back in their face. and will end losing even their autonomy and become the palestinians of Syria ,IRAQ and IRAN.. that not even control their own homes.
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    Post  Admin Fri Apr 06, 2018 4:34 pm

    Vann7 wrote:
    So if Erdogan is annoyed by US presence in Kurds zone and lose patience , he will give the order to Invade Manbji
    and there is nothing French will be able to do to stop it.. not a chance.. Artillery of Turkey will simply bomb French Positions.. and Turkey army ,with suicide bombers trucks FSA leading the charge can over Run french special forces positions inside MAnbji in a matter of hours.. You cannot stop a big army invasion of 20k soldiers or even 50k with a dozen combat french planes. You need a strong army boosting the ground . So France will simply retreat ,because any soldiers killed will be bad image for Macron.

    If Turkey kills French soldiers there isn't much left for them.  The thing is they have a UN mandate to be in Syria to stop Daesh anyway they see fit.  Turkey has nothing legitimising their presence in the country and in fact are in violation of UNSC 2401.  Other than Azerbaijan there is not a single country that recognizes it as legitimate. Turkey would be under crippling economic sanctions within hours, their assets frozen across the EU and US. Their economy would collapse within weeks, it is already in a precarious state as it is with junk debt and practically no FX reserves. The French would have clear air superiority as soon as they put a single fighter over the area. Turkey can only use Sidewinders and as we saw it wasn't even able to shoot down an Su-22. The French will be carrying Mica and Meteor to the fight. The French would quickly neutralise all air threats and destroy Turkish artillery positions. Their ships and aircraft would launch Scalp and Apache missiles to take out Turkish air fields. They would encite the Cypriots to attack. They would incite the Kurds to rebel with a hoard of weapons flowing into the country. Kurdistan would declare its independence as hundreds of thousands would take up arms to help the French.


    Simple fact is there is practically nothing Turkey can do to hurt France aside from a few battlefield casualties... the French can destroy Turkey economically, territoriality and militarily.
     
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    Post  Isos Fri Apr 06, 2018 5:04 pm

    They would incite the Kurds to rebel with a hoard of weapons flowing into the country. Kurdistan would declare its independence as hundreds of thousands would take up arms to help the French.

    Not really. The independant kurdistan would involved irak and Iran and Syria. Russia would be obliged to defend Syrian territory. There was a meeting two days ago about that where erdogan putin and rohani said Syrian integraty should be protected.

    US need Turkey to have an access to the black sea and protect eastern part of nato countries. They would never trade that for kurds which have nothing to propose them. Their kurdistan is totally empty and closed by hostil countries and people.

    Turkey navy and air force could also attack french civilian ships in the mediteranean specially the tankers.

    France isn'y as powerfull as before. Just like UK. Without US help they can't do a lot too even if they are in better position than turkey. There is also a lot of turks in france and germany.
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    Post  Isos Fri Apr 06, 2018 6:07 pm

    https://theaviationist.com/2011/09/19/turkey-iff/

    I just found this about the story of Turkish IFF. The article is from 2011. It's doubtfull they didn't solve this problem with a new IFF.

    https://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htairfo/20111104.aspx

    Another one saying that they also got the source code of fire control so they could upgrade them with their own stuff.
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    Post  Vann7 Fri Apr 06, 2018 9:23 pm

    Isos wrote:
    They would incite the Kurds to rebel with a hoard of weapons flowing into the country. Kurdistan would declare its independence as hundreds of thousands would take up arms to help the French.

    Not really. The independant kurdistan would involved irak and Iran and Syria. Russia would be obliged to defend Syrian territory. There was a meeting two days ago about that where erdogan putin and rohani said Syrian integraty should be protected.

    US need Turkey to have an access to the black sea and protect eastern part of nato countries. They would never trade that for kurds which have nothing to propose them. Their kurdistan is totally empty and closed by hostil countries and people.

    Turkey navy and air force could also attack french civilian ships in the mediteranean specially the tankers.

    France isn'y as powerfull as before. Just like UK. Without US help they can't do a lot too even if they are in better position than turkey. There is also a lot of turks in france and germany.


    This is the major point.. For the only thing.. Americans and France needs Kurds , for the only thing..
    is to help NATO keep a tight control of Turkey and for dismembering Syria.  But this cooperation with Kurds
    is only a step for a much bigger picture.. in the end is all about weakening ,damaging and humiliating Russia.
    IF kurds for example makes an alliance with Russia , then they will be dropped in a second by Americans..

    Americans always likes to have a card to play.. in any conflict.. and so they will support the opposition of their enemies but also the opposition of their allies too.. so they can be controlled and keep very loyal. If NATO was given the choice of either Kurds or Turkey.. but that can't have both.. then they will pick Turkey.. because in the end is all about Russia.
    All this wars in Ukraine ,Syria,SErbia,Yugoeslavia ,Lybia ,Africa.. is all about Russia. NATO is trying not only to encircle Russia ,by deploying military bases around Russia borders.. but is also interested in getting puppet countries in any place that Russia could use to bypass NATO encirclement.  So all NATO conflicts is to encircle not only Russia but also China too.. NATO presence in Africa is to block China from expanding there ,but also to secure the fire control over REd Sea and access for Russia to the Atlantic and also to block Russia from the mediterranean sea ,if manage to control Turkey.  So if NATO lose Turkey as an ally ,and choose to start a war with Turkey ,either economic or military..
    then they will be the biggest losers.. because it will make Erdogan closer to Russia and IRAN. and then will receive equipment from them ,real airdefenses to target NATO planes.. it will be game over.

    Long term 6months to one year or two ,there is nothing France can do military speaking to stop Turkey from taking Kurds zones..Because Airforce alone can't hold territory.. and the 100 special forces that and 2,000 american forces in Kurds zones is not a contest to Turkey army. And Turkey will receive S-400s ,so French Airforce will be hit any part of Syria..

    US and France operations in Syria is not more legal than Turkey operations, they are all in Syria illegally ,with a major exception ,that US and France are seeking to disband a sovereign state Syria ,and US is even aiding ISIS.. So i stand by my prediction that US will face the major defeat in US history. in Syria. and France will run away at the second French soldiers start being killed and major protest in france demanding France to leave..

    While is True ,that US and France can sink Turkey economy,, is no less true that Erdogan can provoke major civil unrest in France and all Europe with muslim there ,including incite terror attacks.
     Kurdistan project is a dead end ,it will be very expensive one ,for NATO to support in a land locked region. and they will eventually prefer Turkey over kurds alone in the end..

    Since Kurds can't over run Turkey and neither Syria with Russia supporting them.. If Turkey takes controls of all northen Syria is game over for US/France ambitions in Syria.. if Turkey do nothing ,then it will be a frozen conflict.. and still a lose for NATO if Turkey and Russia continue developing relations... So they will try to remove ERdogan at any cost .. The entire war in my opinion is lost for NATO ,and they are simply trying to hold as much territory as possible in Syria for preparing the conditions ,for continuation of the war against Syria,with a new President until Syria completely disbanded..

    If Russia can hold its base..and its combat flight support for syria , then the war will bleed NATO US and France operations in Syria. People should always remember ,that the war in Syria , from Americans point of view.. is all about Russia and Russia and Russia.. i think they have hopes to convince Kurds to start a war against Syria government .for control of Eastern Border and block them from access to IRAQ.


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    Post  Admin Fri Apr 06, 2018 9:27 pm

    Isos wrote:Not really. The independant kurdistan would involved irak and Iran and Syria. Russia would be obliged to defend Syrian territory. There was a meeting two days ago about that where erdogan putin and rohani said Syrian integraty should be protected.

    Russia's goal is to destroy NATO and a fight between France and Turkey is exactly what we want, actually what we wanted was a US vs Turkey but the French one is second best.  If a Free Kurdistan comes it is well worth the sacrifice of the non-oil producing areas of Syria we will take back once the fallout of the war happens.  The new Kurdish state will be friendly with the Russian state and we will flood them with weapons as we have been doing.  Just look at what YPG and Peshmerga are armed with.  Russia and Iran are not allies like you think, keeping their territory is their problem. Our goal is a fight to break out in NATO and Erdogan seems unhinged enough to let it happen.  If we were so concerned about Syrian territorial sovereignty we would never have allowed Turkey to occupy Afrin and Azaz in the first place.  We want Iraqi Kurdistan to go free, we already have oil deals lined up.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-kurds-referendum-russi/russia-becomes-iraq-kurds-top-funder-quiet-about-independence-vote-idUSKCN1BV1IH

    Russia has more reason to silently support France than we do Turkey, it is exactly what we want to happen.

    Isos wrote:US need Turkey to have an access to the black sea and protect eastern part of nato countries. They would never trade that for kurds which have nothing to propose them. Their kurdistan is totally empty and closed by hostil countries and people.

    Nothing would make Russia happier than keeping the US out of the Black Sea.  I am failing to see how this war is bad for Russia.  The US has left it to France and will on the face oppose it, but silently support it keeping their hands clean.  That is why they are turning Manbij over to the French.

    Isos wrote:Turkey navy and air force could also attack french civilian ships in the mediteranean specially the tankers.

    France isn'y as powerfull as before. Just like UK. Without US help they can't do a lot too even if they are in better position than turkey. There is also a lot of turks in france and germany.

    France is a long way from Turkey and the only choke point Turkey can get to that effects the French is the Suez, international powers won't let anyone interfere with that.  You seem to forget that if Turkey attacks France then Turkey is the aggressor, they won't get much support except Azerbaijan which is worth nothing.  Even Egypt would join France if Turkey attacks Suez shipping.  France is not very powerful on paper, but it has the most softpower in the world as it makes important relationships.  The US and EU will be behind the French.  It will have an army of tens of thousands of Kurds under its command, a hundred thousand more under it's banner, access to a large string of bases from which to project it's power and a Navy that can destroy the Turkish navy in about 5 minutes.  The French air force is far more modern than Turkey and in much better shape as they didn't lock up all of their pilots.  Under economic sanctions Turkey will not be able to wage war for long.  The entire French MIC will operate unhindered. If France ships a couple SAMP/T batteries that shuts down the airspace over the whole of their troop depleoyment, Turkey has nothing until S-400.
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    Post  George1 Fri Apr 06, 2018 9:44 pm

    Vladimir79 wrote:
    Isos wrote:Not really. The independant kurdistan would involved irak and Iran and Syria. Russia would be obliged to defend Syrian territory. There was a meeting two days ago about that where erdogan putin and rohani said Syrian integraty should be protected.

    Russia's goal is to destroy NATO and a fight between France and Turkey is exactly what we want, actually what we wanted was a US vs Turkey but the French one is second best.  If a Free Kurdistan comes it is well worth the sacrifice of the non-oil producing areas of Syria we will take back once the fallout of the war happens.  The new Kurdish state will be friendly with the Russian state and we will flood them with weapons as we have been doing.  Just look at what YPG and Peshmerga are armed with.  Russia and Iran are not allies like you think, keeping their territory is their problem. Our goal is a fight to break out in NATO and Erdogan seems unhinged enough to let it happen.  If we were so concerned about Syrian territorial sovereignty we would never have allowed Turkey to occupy Afrin and Azaz in the first place.  We want Iraqi Kurdistan to go free, we already have oil deals lined up.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-kurds-referendum-russi/russia-becomes-iraq-kurds-top-funder-quiet-about-independence-vote-idUSKCN1BV1IH

    Russia has more reason to silently support France than we do Turkey, it is exactly what we want to happen.

    Isos wrote:US need Turkey to have an access to the black sea and protect eastern part of nato countries. They would never trade that for kurds which have nothing to propose them. Their kurdistan is totally empty and closed by hostil countries and people.

    Nothing would make Russia happier than keeping the US out of the Black Sea.  I am failing to see how this war is bad for Russia.  The US has left it to France and will on the face oppose it, but silently support it keeping their hands clean.  That is why they are turning Manbij over to the French.

    Isos wrote:Turkey navy and air force could also attack french civilian ships in the mediteranean specially the tankers.

    France isn'y as powerfull as before. Just like UK. Without US help they can't do a lot too even if they are in better position than turkey. There is also a lot of turks in france and germany.

    France is a long way from Turkey and the only choke point Turkey can get to that effects the French is the Suez, international powers won't let anyone interfere with that.  You seem to forget that if Turkey attacks France then Turkey is the aggressor, they won't get much support except Azerbaijan which is worth nothing.  Even Egypt would join France if Turkey attacks Suez shipping.  France is not very powerful on paper, but it has the most softpower in the world as it makes important relationships.  The US and EU will be behind the French.  It will have an army of tens of thousands of Kurds under its command, a hundred thousand more under it's banner, access to a large string of bases from which to project it's power and a Navy that can destroy the Turkish navy in about 5 minutes.  The French air force is far more modern than Turkey and in much better shape as they didn't lock up all of their pilots.  Under economic sanctions Turkey will not be able to wage war for long.  The entire French MIC will operate unhindered. If France ships a couple SAMP/T batteries that shuts down the airspace over the whole of their troop depleoyment, Turkey has nothing until S-400.

    Τurkey/Erdogan from their part are so silly to play that game?
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    Post  Vann7 Fri Apr 06, 2018 9:56 pm

    Is a very complicated war to understand for many.. until you see that US ultimate goal is the destruction
    of Russia ,nothing more ,nothing else..  Because Russia is too strong for NATO to fight directly.. then they go
    fight Russia indirectly through civil unrest or proxy wars ,as they did AFganistan ,Ukraine,Syria,Serbia .
    So Kurds ,Ukraine nazis ,Albanians ,Talibans ,ISIS,Alqaeda ,FSA, are factions that Americans and NATO major powers sponsor ,to become proxy fighters against Russia and their allies.

    A strong alliance between Russia and Turkey will be the worse possible nightmare ,worse possible outcome
    for US and NATO major allies. Kurdistan is only a bone ,NATO throws at them.. to join them..in the war in Syria..
    Notice how US and France did not blink ,at all , when Turkey invaded AFRIN. So Kurds by now should suspect
    they are used like Prostitutes and will be throw away like a condom ,when no longer need. lol1

    If Kurds had any brains..they will not allow themselves to be used for this plans.. Everyone in the middle east..
    best options is an alliance with Russia.. whether is Turkey or Kurds or IRAQ or IRAN.  Since Americans goals in middle
    east are only a step for a global imperialim and they don't accept second leaders or multilateral world.. In the American Empire , they only accepts submised weak slaves and enemies.. and this include Europe.. You either accept to be under submission of US empire or become an enemy.

    So France and Europe will also benefit from closer relations with Russia too.. since in the american global project.
    there is no place for equals.. and only vassals and slaves.
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    Post  Isos Fri Apr 06, 2018 11:24 pm

    Vladimir79 wrote:
    Isos wrote:Not really. The independant kurdistan would involved irak and Iran and Syria. Russia would be obliged to defend Syrian territory. There was a meeting two days ago about that where erdogan putin and rohani said Syrian integraty should be protected.

    Russia's goal is to destroy NATO and a fight between France and Turkey is exactly what we want, actually what we wanted was a US vs Turkey but the French one is second best.  If a Free Kurdistan comes it is well worth the sacrifice of the non-oil producing areas of Syria we will take back once the fallout of the war happens.  The new Kurdish state will be friendly with the Russian state and we will flood them with weapons as we have been doing.  Just look at what YPG and Peshmerga are armed with.  Russia and Iran are not allies like you think, keeping their territory is their problem. Our goal is a fight to break out in NATO and Erdogan seems unhinged enough to let it happen.  If we were so concerned about Syrian territorial sovereignty we would never have allowed Turkey to occupy Afrin and Azaz in the first place.  We want Iraqi Kurdistan to go free, we already have oil deals lined up.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-kurds-referendum-russi/russia-becomes-iraq-kurds-top-funder-quiet-about-independence-vote-idUSKCN1BV1IH

    Russia has more reason to silently support France than we do Turkey, it is exactly what we want to happen.

    Isos wrote:US need Turkey to have an access to the black sea and protect eastern part of nato countries. They would never trade that for kurds which have nothing to propose them. Their kurdistan is totally empty and closed by hostil countries and people.

    Nothing would make Russia happier than keeping the US out of the Black Sea.  I am failing to see how this war is bad for Russia.  The US has left it to France and will on the face oppose it, but silently support it keeping their hands clean.  That is why they are turning Manbij over to the French.

    Isos wrote:Turkey navy and air force could also attack french civilian ships in the mediteranean specially the tankers.

    France isn'y as powerfull as before. Just like UK. Without US help they can't do a lot too even if they are in better position than turkey. There is also a lot of turks in france and germany.

    France is a long way from Turkey and the only choke point Turkey can get to that effects the French is the Suez, international powers won't let anyone interfere with that.  You seem to forget that if Turkey attacks France then Turkey is the aggressor, they won't get much support except Azerbaijan which is worth nothing.  Even Egypt would join France if Turkey attacks Suez shipping.  France is not very powerful on paper, but it has the most softpower in the world as it makes important relationships.  The US and EU will be behind the French.  It will have an army of tens of thousands of Kurds under its command, a hundred thousand more under it's banner, access to a large string of bases from which to project it's power and a Navy that can destroy the Turkish navy in about 5 minutes.  The French air force is far more modern than Turkey and in much better shape as they didn't lock up all of their pilots.  Under economic sanctions Turkey will not be able to wage war for long.  The entire French MIC will operate unhindered. If France ships a couple SAMP/T batteries that shuts down the airspace over the whole of their troop depleoyment, Turkey has nothing until S-400.

    I admit that it looks real. But you forget too much factors. If war happens then Turkey will go out of NATO which means they will go with Russia and give them access to basically everything from f-16 to nato l16 and even could let them stock nuks and ships in their ports which could stop any agression from NATO or worse let chinese put some nuks there. That's something russia would love but not US.

    What I'm saying is that US need more turkey than those Kurds. They used them to fuck syria and improve Israeli position by destroying its enemies and now they don't give a fuck about them.

    Turkey would loose, france would military win but they will have to get out of every muslim country populations would be hostil to them after that, and the US would loose Turkey which they would never let happen, especially now that Putin has moved the borders in the east. They need an access in the black sea and they need to be able to use Turkey against russia. If they loose turkey's bases and turkey troops and the black sea, south eastern Europe would become a highway for Russian tanks and they could take everything untill reaching Yougoslavia in matters of days.

    I think now they are only in show of force their but if Erdogan attacks no one will stop him. Turkey, not erdogan,  is too precious that's why they supported the coup d'etat.
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    Post  ATLASCUB Sat Apr 07, 2018 12:44 am

    The more I read Vann, the more I see eehnie. Almost identical thought process and rhetoric.

    Anyway, people shouldn't freak out about the French. The only ones that matter are the Americans. The french will pack it up when they see themselves left alone to Russia/Iran/Turkey/Assad (if it even comes to that). They know their place in the food chain.
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    Post  PapaDragon Sat Apr 07, 2018 1:22 am

    ATLASCUB wrote:The more I read Vann, the more I see eehnie. Almost identical thought process and rhetoric....

    Vann may produce nothing but crap but at least writes his own crap, ehhenie just copies shit from before ad nauseum
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    Post  JohninMK Sat Apr 07, 2018 1:34 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    ATLASCUB wrote:The more I read Vann, the more I see eehnie. Almost identical thought process and rhetoric....

    Vann may produce nothing but crap but at least writes his own crap, ehhenie just copies shit from before ad nauseum
    Without wanting to raise the dead, where is he?
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    Post  PapaDragon Sat Apr 07, 2018 2:00 am

    JohninMK wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    ATLASCUB wrote:The more I read Vann, the more I see eehnie. Almost identical thought process and rhetoric....

    Vann may produce nothing but crap but at least writes his own crap, ehhenie just copies shit from before ad nauseum
    Without wanting to raise the dead, where is he?

    Don't know, don't care and whatever you do don't say his name three times in front of a mirror!
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    Post  JohninMK Sat Apr 07, 2018 1:09 pm

    As time goes on they may have to put some proper defences around these places. If they stay.

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    Ospreys and Chinooks at a base between Al Hasakah and Tell Tamr https://www.google.com/maps?ll=36.604263,40.583453&q=36.604263,40.583453&hl=en&t=h&z=18 … 6 additional helicopters a bit to the south https://www.google.com/maps?ll=36.593668,40.586479&q=36.593668,40.586479&hl=en&t=h&z=17 … (4 Apr 2017)


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    Post  JohninMK Sat Apr 07, 2018 1:22 pm

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    #ISIS captured 2 government barriers SE Palmyra


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    Also

    BEIRUT, LEBANON (2:01 P.M.) – Earlier, Al-Masdar News mentioned unconfirmed reports that rebel fighters of Free Syrian Army affiliate group Jaysh al-Ababil based in the southern Damascus district of Tadamon were to be evacuated to Daraa.

    These reports have since been confirmed.

    In detail, the evacuation deal – brokered by Russian military authorities – will see no less than fifteen hundred (1,500) Free Syrian Army fighters currently based in the Tadamon district relinquish their positions and heavy equipment (i.e. tanks and artillery) to government forces and then be evacuated with their family members to insurgent-controlled areas of Daraa province.

    Once in Daraa, Jaysh al-Ababil rebels and their families will be received by allied militants and resettled in the small city of Jasim.

    No exact date for when the evacuation will take place or details on its scheduled period of effect has yet been clarified.
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    Post  calm Sat Apr 07, 2018 4:00 pm

    As i already said months ago, US will face insurgency just like in Iraq.

    Islamic Resistance of “Liwa Al-Baqer (AS)” announces an upcoming OP against USA occupation & its allies in eastern #Syria.

    The Iran|ian supplied movement calls on Syria|n citizens to stay away from US sites/bases which will be main targets of its Fedayeens. (6 April, 2018)

    Liwaa Al-Baqir also announced on their facebook page 2 days ago that huge military equipment reached them from Iran:


    Another group, this one made of Syrians in Raqqa area.

    The popular resistance forces of Raqqah targeted an American military base at the French Lavarage cement factory north of Al-Raqqah province with ground to ground rockets, written announcement and statement will be released very soon

    video
    https://twitter.com/EasternMediafax/status/982339558409781248

    Announcement:

    • They targeted the Americans at the French cement factory close to Ayn Eesaa.
    • They conducted the attack even though there was a huge American airplane presence in the sky.
    • All their fighters returned back without harm.


    One more group in Hasakah

    Unknown militants created a new group inside the Hasaka province called:
    "The popular resistance of Al-Hasakah"
    It's a pro-SAA guerrilla group stating that they will target American and Turkish occupation forces and target military installations.
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    Trump is right: Withdrawing from Syria strengthens US security - Lt. Col. Daniel L. Davis
    https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/04/trump-right-about-syria-withdrawing-troops-will-strengthen-security.html

    First, we must disabuse ourselves of the notion that a handful of U.S. troops in the vast domain of the fragmented Syria—still racked by a multi-sided civil war with regional and major powers backing various groups—has even the theoretical possibility of preventing any faction, from doing anything, over any time frame.

    I observed firsthand in 2011 how 140,000 US and NATO troops, backed up by 300,000 Afghan security forces, proved incapable of denying the Taliban access to vast tracts of the country.


    Aside from the fact it is militarily impossible to accomplish the laundry-list of goals in Syria—"countering" Iran (which can't even be defined), opposing Assad (which isn't necessary for U.S. security), and stopping Turkey from attacking Syrian Kurds (risking confrontation with our NATO ally).

    It is not in America's interests to stay in Syria for objectives so disconnected from our security and prosperity. Contrary to conventional wisdom in Washington, the strategic benefit doesn't come anywhere close to justifying the cost.
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    Post  Admin Sat Apr 07, 2018 6:33 pm

    Isos wrote:

    I admit that it looks real. But you forget too much factors. If war happens then Turkey will go out of NATO which means they will go with Russia and give them access to basically everything from f-16 to nato l16 and even could let them stock nuks and ships in their ports which could stop any agression from NATO or worse let chinese put some nuks there. That's something russia would love but not US.

    What I'm saying is that US need more turkey than those Kurds. They used them to fuck syria and improve Israeli position by destroying its enemies and now they don't give a fuck about them.

    Turkey would loose, france would military win but they will have to get out of every muslim country populations would be hostil to them after that, and the US would loose Turkey which they would never let happen, especially now that Putin has moved the borders in the east. They need an access in the black sea and they need to be able to use Turkey against russia. If they loose turkey's bases and turkey troops and the black sea, south eastern Europe would become a highway for Russian tanks and they could take everything untill reaching Yougoslavia in matters of days.

    I think now they are only in show of force their but if Erdogan attacks no one will stop him. Turkey, not erdogan,  is too precious that's why they supported the coup d'etat.

    What is real is that the French president has drawn a line at Manbij, if Erdogan crosses that line attacking French troops the repercussions for Turkey will be severe. If Erdogan doesn't cross that line and backs off of his resurgent Ottoman Empire rhetoric all can return to normal. The US adminstration hopes the Turkish president is not unbalanced and will wake up to the game Russia is playing with him.

    To think that Turkey and Russia would form an alliance is like China and Japan forming an alliance. They are occupying the capital of the Orthodox faith, the only way would be for Turkey to give the Hagia Sophia to Russian clergy and mend fences of hundreds of years of war and distrust. Surely that will not happen as long as Turkey is losing the secularist ideals of Ataturk. If Turkey keeps heading down this road they will be facing sanctions like Iran, at least they have oil to prop them up. What does Turkey have?

    US needs bases in Anatolia, if it is a Kurdish base what difference does the US care? A Free Kurdistan would have oil coming from every seam to fund a building of its military and infrastructure that would make companies drool at the prospects. Partitioning Turkey is a good thing for many parties. The Greeks get their lost territory in the Balkans, the Cypriots get their island back, we take back the Orthodox holy sites and the Kurds get their homeland. All of this would have been done after WWI if the French had put more effort into defeating Ataturk, now they get a second chance. It only remains to be seen if Erdogan is unhinged enough to fall into the trap.
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    Post  Cyberspec Sun Apr 08, 2018 12:06 am

    Vladimir79 wrote:What is real is that the French president has drawn a line at Manbij....................

    Sounds like a Strelkov type analysis... Cool

    Their position in Syria without Turkey's support is weak and vulnerable....they can draw as many imaginary lines in the sand as they like. I think it's only a matter of time before they get booted out completely.

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    Post  JohninMK Sun Apr 08, 2018 1:08 am

    Peto back in action


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