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    Post  medo on Sat Dec 07, 2019 5:40 pm

    https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/127878/

    Госкорпорация Ростех открыла на базе рыбинского предприятия «ОДК-Сатурн» крупнейший в России центр по изготовлению лопаток турбин для авиационных, морских и промышленных двигателей. Инновационное производство позволит ежегодно выпускать компоненты для более чем 2 тысяч авиадвигателей — российских и зарубежных. Объем инвестиций в проект превысил 3 млрд рублей.

    ODK-Saturn open new production center, which is the largest in Russia to produce turbine blades with the latest technology for up to 2000 aviation, ship and industrial engines. Russia now not only finnish their need for Motor-Sich in Ukraine, but is also one generation ahead in technology for turbine blades.

    This is actually death end for Motor-Sich. no one will need them anymore. US and EU have their own producers like GE, P&W, RR and Snecma, Russia now have their own full production and US doesn't allow Ukraine to sell Motor-Sich to China.
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    Post  flamming_python on Sun Dec 08, 2019 11:10 pm

    medo wrote:https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/127878/

    Госкорпорация Ростех открыла на базе рыбинского предприятия «ОДК-Сатурн» крупнейший в России центр по изготовлению лопаток турбин для авиационных, морских и промышленных двигателей. Инновационное производство позволит ежегодно выпускать компоненты для более чем 2 тысяч авиадвигателей — российских и зарубежных. Объем инвестиций в проект превысил 3 млрд рублей.

    ODK-Saturn open new production center, which is the largest in Russia to produce turbine blades with the latest technology for up to 2000 aviation, ship and industrial engines. Russia now not only finnish their need for Motor-Sich in Ukraine, but is also one generation ahead in technology for turbine blades.

    This is actually death end for Motor-Sich. no one will need them anymore. US and EU have their own producers like GE, P&W, RR and Snecma, Russia now have their own full production and US doesn't allow Ukraine to sell Motor-Sich to China.

    They've been slowly dying since Ukraine imposed arms restrictions on the export of their products to Russia.

    I think they might still import civil engines from them. Well, hopefully this news will be the death-kneel of that sunny
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    Post  GarryB on Mon Dec 09, 2019 10:06 am

    Blocking your own best and main customer from buying your products... that is pretty much suicide isn't it?
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    Post  flamming_python on Mon Dec 09, 2019 10:37 am

    GarryB wrote:Blocking your own best and main customer from buying your products... that is pretty much suicide isn't it?

    All Ukrainian policies since the coup in 2014 are suicide
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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic on Fri Jan 31, 2020 2:44 pm

    https://www.aviaport.ru/news/2020/01/29/624559.html

    UEC-PM" WILL CONDUCT A STUDY IN TERMS OF DESIGNING A TEST BASE FOR PD-35



    Moscow. January 29. AviaPort - Perm Administration has agreed to the UEC - Perm Motors enterprise to conduct research in the field of urban planning for the site in the Novye Lyady microdistrict. There it is planned to create an infrastructure for testing high-thrust engines, the Kommersant-Perm newspaper writes.

    The corresponding resolution, published on the official website of the Perm administration, states that we are talking about a plot located within the boundaries of block 93 of Levshinsky district forestry. Research work will be carried out at the expense of the own funds of the engine-building enterprise. The ODK-PM press service explained that it was in this territory that it was planned to build a test base for the promising PD-35 large thrust engine.

    As AviaPort previously wrote, a test base for heavy-duty engines will be created on the territory of the ODK-PM suburban testing station (ZIS), where the company checks the operation of PS-90A and PD-14 motors. In total, as part of the project, it is planned to build 40 thousand square meters. m. production, administrative and engineering areas. In particular, a final assembly and test preparation building, several stands, a logistics center, as well as additional transport and engineering infrastructure facilities will be erected on the territory of the VMS. In September 2018, at a meeting with reporters, Infrastructure Director of UEC-PM Nikolay Andreev specified that about seven test benches of various purposes, including full-size ones, will be built in Novye Lyady. At the same time he voiced that the first stands should be built in 2021. According to preliminary estimates, the cost of building the entire complex will be about 20 billion rubles.

    Recall PD-35 - a promising high-thrust engine designed for wide-body civilian liners and transport aircraft. It is possible that the Russian-Chinese wide-body CR929 aircraft will also be equipped with this engine (a joint project of the United Aircraft Corporation and Commercial Aircraft Corporation of China, mass production should be launched by 2025-2027). The engine demonstrator of PD-35 technologies should be ready in 2023, the UEC-PM plant expects to start mass production in 2028. In the future, a family of aircraft engines will be created on the basis of PD-35.


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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic on Wed Feb 19, 2020 3:32 am

    Does anybody know how are the plane for bringing the production of the diesel aircraft engine RED A03 in Russia?

    The engine was developed with Russian money by a conpany founded by a Russian engineer in Germany, and it is used by the yak-152 basic trainer and by the altair UAV?

    Irkut said they should bring the production in Russia but apparently until now it is only imported from Germany...

    It would be also interesting to see if a naval diesel engine for could be derived from it...of course not for large ships, but there are a lot of smaller boats that could benefits from a modern efficient engine...
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    Post  GarryB on Wed Feb 19, 2020 12:15 pm

    Neither website says much about it...

    http://eng.irkut.com/products/74/

    https://red-aircraft.com/news/continental-aerospace-technologies-announces-a-new-drop-in-engine-replacement-for-the-cessna-172/
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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic on Wed Feb 19, 2020 1:40 pm

    GarryB wrote:Neither website says much about it...

    http://eng.irkut.com/products/74/

    https://red-aircraft.com/news/continental-aerospace-technologies-announces-a-new-drop-in-engine-replacement-for-the-cessna-172/
    It was mentioned in a takeoff magazine that in the future they planned to have production in Russia.

    Furheremore

    http://www.irkut.com/upload/PresentationYak-152.pdf

    At page 5 of this presentation from irkut they write

    Производство двигателей RED A03T разворачивается в России.

    That means

    The production of RED A03T engines will take place in Russia.

    However until now they have not done anything...and it is a pity...

    Apparently in addition to the 500 ho red A03 they also have smaller engines, that could be perfect for general aviation (e.g.substittuting the american engine (Continental IO-360) in the il-103, a small aircraft in the same class of the piper cherokee and the cessna 172.

    I believe Russia has in development modern diesel engines of this power range (150-200 hp) as they would be also very important for drones.

    I would insist also for a russian version of the small twin da42 with Russian components and russian engines...it is used for twin engine training in many flight schools and also air force for transport pilots. Those aircrafts for Russia are assembled in Ekaterinenburg, but I believe mainly from imported components and kits...
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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic on Fri Apr 03, 2020 4:00 am

    https://aviation21.ru/dlya-ansata-i-ka-62-odk-razrabatyvaet-rossijskie-dvigateli/

    UEC develops Russian engines for Ansat and Ka-62

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    The new Russian civilian Ansat and Ka-62 helicopters are equipped with foreign engines: Ansat is equipped with Pratt & Whitney PW-207K engines, Ardiden 3G engines manufactured by the French company Turboméca are installed on the Ka-62. How to develop engines for these machines and when mass production of PD-14 engines will begin, he said in an interviewRIA News Executive Director of Rostec State Corporation Oleg Yevtushenko.
    “We are already implementing two projects to create domestic engines for the Ansat and Ka-62 at the UEC-Klimov enterprise,” says Oleg Yevtushenko. “The stage of preliminary technical design has now been completed, and the design of the engines has been determined.

    According to him, the characteristics laid down at the design stage will allow new engines to compete seriously with foreign analogues. They will have great development potential and will meet modern market requirements.
    "We plan to supply serial engines to the market in 2024-2025," Yevtushenko added.
    The United Engine Corporation to replace the French Ardiden 3G for the Ka-62 creates a VK-1600V engine. For Ansat, the VK-800V engine is being developed. In addition, on the basis of the VK-650V engine, designed for the Ka-226 light helicopter, it is planned to create a family of power plants from 500 to 700 hp.
    As for the PD-14, then, as explained by Oleg Yevtushenko, its mass production has already begun. In January 2020, the first power plants for the fifth experimental aircraft MS-21-300 (tail number 73057), which this year will fly to the sky, were already delivered to the Irkutsk aircraft plant.
    These plans were already discussed in the forum, but it is still interesting to read updates about it.
    At the moment the Ka62 is equipped with 2 french (safran ardiden3g) engines with 1,776 shp each,

    The ka62 is instead equipped with 2  Turbomeca (now Safran) Arrius 2G1, with 580 hp each

    And the Kazan Ansat with
    2  Pratt & Whitney Canada PW207K turboshaft engines, 630 shp each. The VK-800 is more powerful than this (800 shp), so it possibly means that they need better hot and high performances or that they will increase the mass of the helicopter... otherwise they could plan to use the same VK-650 that will go on the Ka-226

    In addition, as the VK-800 is  being also developed as a turboprop for small aircrafts and will be used for the Baikal aircraft and for the let410, is very likely that the VK-1600 will be also developed in a turboprop variant to be used for an aircraft derived from the Let-610 prototype...
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    Post  George1 on Tue Apr 14, 2020 7:33 pm

    UEC-Klimov manufactured more than 230 VK-2500/TV3-117 helicopter engines in 2019


    According to JSC “United Engine Corporation”, according to the results of 2019, the revenue of JSC “UEC-Klimov” (part of the United Engine Corporation of the State Corporation Rostec) amounted to 21.7 billion rubles. More than 230 VK-2500 / TV3-117 engines were produced, the number of manufactured TV7-117 engines was tripled.

    The revenue of JSC UEC-Klimov in 2019 amounted to 21.716 billion rubles. This is almost 4 billion more than last year. The revenue was mainly generated due to the serial production of VK-2500 / TV3-117 and after-sales service of gas turbine engines. All major obligations under the state defense order in 2019 were fully implemented.

    Relative to 2018, the number of manufactured TV7-117 engines [from one to three? - bmpd]. Recall that last year, the TV7-117ST engines provided the first successful flight of the new domestic military transport aircraft Il-112V (in March 2019).

    The increase in output for the benefit of the civilian sector continued. In 2019, the share of civilian engines in the total supply amounted to 48%.

    Over 4 billion rubles were invested in research and development. Experimental and technological work was carried out in the framework of the state program of the Russian Federation (Development of the aviation industry for 2013-2025) in conjunction with FSUE VIAM. Designed and manufactured parts and assembly units (DSE) of engines from promising foundry, wrought alloys and metal powder compositions, ceramic and composite materials. The modes of thermal and mechanical processing of manufactured DSEs were tested, heat-resistant coatings and high-temperature seals based on metal fibers were tested.

    In 2019, UEC-Klimov JSC also continued the program of modernization of production facilities, primarily the reconstruction of test benches. At the end of the year, new local treatment facilities were put into operation.

    International cooperation has developed in the field of engine maintenance and product sales. Last year, more than 30 countries showed interest in working together.

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3992553.html
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    Post  Viktor on Tue Apr 14, 2020 8:21 pm

    George1 wrote:

    UEC-Klimov manufactured more than 230 VK-2500/TV3-117 helicopter engines in 2019



    According to JSC “United Engine Corporation”, according to the results of 2019, the revenue of JSC “UEC-Klimov” (part of the United Engine Corporation of the State Corporation Rostec) amounted to 21.7 billion rubles. More than 230 VK-2500 / TV3-117 engines were produced, the number of manufactured TV7-117 engines was tripled.

    The revenue of JSC UEC-Klimov in 2019 amounted to 21.716 billion rubles. This is almost 4 billion more than last year. The revenue was mainly generated due to the serial production of VK-2500 / TV3-117 and after-sales service of gas turbine engines. All major obligations under the state defense order in 2019 were fully implemented.

    Relative to 2018, the number of manufactured TV7-117 engines [from one to three? - bmpd]. Recall that last year, the TV7-117ST engines provided the first successful flight of the new domestic military transport aircraft Il-112V (in March 2019).

    The increase in output for the benefit of the civilian sector continued. In 2019, the share of civilian engines in the total supply amounted to 48%.

     Over 4 billion rubles were invested in research and development. Experimental and technological work was carried out in the framework of the state program of the Russian Federation (Development of the aviation industry for 2013-2025) in conjunction with FSUE VIAM. Designed and manufactured parts and assembly units (DSE) of engines from promising foundry, wrought alloys and metal powder compositions, ceramic and composite materials. The modes of thermal and mechanical processing of manufactured DSEs were tested, heat-resistant coatings and high-temperature seals based on metal fibers were tested.

    In 2019, UEC-Klimov JSC also continued the program of modernization of production facilities, primarily the reconstruction of test benches. At the end of the year, new local treatment facilities were put into operation.

     International cooperation has developed in the field of engine maintenance and product sales. Last year, more than 30 countries showed interest in working together.

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3992553.html

    And so Russian troubles with the helicopter engines are over Very Happy
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    Post  TheArmenian on Wed Apr 15, 2020 12:12 am

    Viktor wrote:
    George1 wrote:

    UEC-Klimov manufactured more than 230 VK-2500/TV3-117 helicopter engines in 2019




    According to JSC “United Engine Corporation”, according to the results of 2019, the revenue of JSC “UEC-Klimov” (part of the United Engine Corporation of the State Corporation Rostec) amounted to 21.7 billion rubles. More than 230 VK-2500 / TV3-117 engines were produced, the number of manufactured TV7-117 engines was tripled.

    The revenue of JSC UEC-Klimov in 2019 amounted to 21.716 billion rubles. This is almost 4 billion more than last year. The revenue was mainly generated due to the serial production of VK-2500 / TV3-117 and after-sales service of gas turbine engines. All major obligations under the state defense order in 2019 were fully implemented.

    Relative to 2018, the number of manufactured TV7-117 engines [from one to three? - bmpd]. Recall that last year, the TV7-117ST engines provided the first successful flight of the new domestic military transport aircraft Il-112V (in March 2019).

    The increase in output for the benefit of the civilian sector continued. In 2019, the share of civilian engines in the total supply amounted to 48%.

     Over 4 billion rubles were invested in research and development. Experimental and technological work was carried out in the framework of the state program of the Russian Federation (Development of the aviation industry for 2013-2025) in conjunction with FSUE VIAM. Designed and manufactured parts and assembly units (DSE) of engines from promising foundry, wrought alloys and metal powder compositions, ceramic and composite materials. The modes of thermal and mechanical processing of manufactured DSEs were tested, heat-resistant coatings and high-temperature seals based on metal fibers were tested.

    In 2019, UEC-Klimov JSC also continued the program of modernization of production facilities, primarily the reconstruction of test benches. At the end of the year, new local treatment facilities were put into operation.

     International cooperation has developed in the field of engine maintenance and product sales. Last year, more than 30 countries showed interest in working together.

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3992553.html

    And so Russian troubles with the helicopter engines are over Very Happy

    Things are certainly proceeding the right way, but the troubles are not entirely over yet.

    230 helicopter engines per year means that they can build 115 brand new Mi and Ka series helicopters per year. Considering that the helicopter industry can deliver up to 300 such helicopters per year, that means they are not building at capacity and/or are still buying some engines from Ukraine's Motor Sich.
    In addition, some engines are needed to replace existing ones on aging helicopters. Still more are required to service the Mi and Ka fleets of foreign customers.
    Also, those same types of engines are to power the upcoming Il-112V and Il-114 planes.
    So, Russia needs to produce at least double the above amount of engines to be completely self-sufficient.
    But, I am glad that the annual production of these engines is increasing. Perhaps in a year or two they will achieve this particular "import substitution" objective.
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    Post  Viktor on Wed Apr 15, 2020 12:53 am

    TheArmenian wrote:
    Things are certainly proceeding the right way, but the troubles are not entirely over yet.

    230 helicopter engines per year means that they can build 115 brand new Mi and Ka series helicopters per year. Considering that the helicopter industry can deliver up to 300 such helicopters per year, that means they are not building at capacity and/or are still buying some engines from Ukraine's Motor Sich.
    In addition, some engines are needed to replace existing ones on aging helicopters. Still more are required to service the Mi and Ka fleets of foreign customers.
    Also, those same types of engines are to power the upcoming  Il-112V and Il-114 planes.
    So, Russia needs to produce at least double the above amount of engines to be completely self-sufficient.
    But, I am glad that the annual production of these engines is increasing. Perhaps in a year or two they will achieve this particular "import substitution" objective.

    I agree still it makes far simpler work to put into operation one more production line or as many as there are needed than to reach a point where you have one Very Happy
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    Post  william.boutros on Wed Apr 15, 2020 3:29 am

    Viktor wrote:
    TheArmenian wrote:
    Things are certainly proceeding the right way, but the troubles are not entirely over yet.

    230 helicopter engines per year means that they can build 115 brand new Mi and Ka series helicopters per year. Considering that the helicopter industry can deliver up to 300 such helicopters per year, that means they are not building at capacity and/or are still buying some engines from Ukraine's Motor Sich.
    In addition, some engines are needed to replace existing ones on aging helicopters. Still more are required to service the Mi and Ka fleets of foreign customers.
    Also, those same types of engines are to power the upcoming  Il-112V and Il-114 planes.
    So, Russia needs to produce at least double the above amount of engines to be completely self-sufficient.
    But, I am glad that the annual production of these engines is increasing. Perhaps in a year or two they will achieve this particular "import substitution" objective.

    I agree still it makes far simpler work to put into operation one more production line or as many as there are needed than to reach a point where you have one Very Happy
    Aircraft engines building needs trained skilled specialists. It also needs special materials. It is not a simple production line.
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    Post  miketheterrible on Wed Apr 15, 2020 12:11 pm

    william.boutros wrote:
    Viktor wrote:
    TheArmenian wrote:
    Things are certainly proceeding the right way, but the troubles are not entirely over yet.

    230 helicopter engines per year means that they can build 115 brand new Mi and Ka series helicopters per year. Considering that the helicopter industry can deliver up to 300 such helicopters per year, that means they are not building at capacity and/or are still buying some engines from Ukraine's Motor Sich.
    In addition, some engines are needed to replace existing ones on aging helicopters. Still more are required to service the Mi and Ka fleets of foreign customers.
    Also, those same types of engines are to power the upcoming  Il-112V and Il-114 planes.
    So, Russia needs to produce at least double the above amount of engines to be completely self-sufficient.
    But, I am glad that the annual production of these engines is increasing. Perhaps in a year or two they will achieve this particular "import substitution" objective.

    I agree still it makes far simpler work to put into operation one more production line or as many as there are needed than to reach a point where you have one Very Happy
    Aircraft engines building needs trained skilled specialists. It also needs special materials. It is not a simple production line.

    It is once the initial production line starts
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    Post  GarryB on Wed Apr 15, 2020 2:07 pm

    that means they are not building at capacity and/or are still buying some engines from Ukraine's Motor Sich.

    The orcs refused to hand over ship engines that had been paid for, I doubt they would sell helicopter engines...

    They clearly can make the appropriate engines and are making them in what equates to mass production... they just need to ramp production up and start production on a range of newer smaller engines too.
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    Post  miketheterrible on Wed Apr 15, 2020 2:18 pm

    If you read the sdelanounas link it's easier to understand. Vk-2500 was made in over 230 units. They also drastically increased production of TV7-117 by 3 times that of 2018. Don't know full number.

    The issue may be due to strong demand and current facility will need to increase workers and tooling for increased demand.

    https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/131845/
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    Post  George1 on Sat Jul 18, 2020 8:38 pm

    New center for the production of helicopter engine assemblies based on UEC-UMPO


    On July 17, 2020, PJSC "United Engine Corporation" (UEC) of Rostec State Corporation opened a new center for the production of helicopter engine assemblies based on PJSC "UEC-UMPO" in Ufa, its design capacity is up to 350 engine sets per year. The center, which includes four production sites, is equipped with hundreds of pieces of modern digital equipment. This is the first specialized production of such a scale in Russia; 8.7 billion rubles have been invested in its creation.

    The new industrial site is focused on the production of units for serial and advanced helicopter engines in the power class up to 5 thousand hp. - VK-2500, TV3-117, VK-650V, VK-1600V for civil and combat helicopters, including machines of the world's most massive series Mi-8/17, attack Mi-28 and Ka-52, as well as multi-purpose Ka -226T and Ka-62.

    In the first section, free turbines, nozzle devices of the third stage and nozzle devices of the compressor turbine of the VK-2500 engine are manufactured and assembled. The second section is focused on the manufacture of parts, assembly units and units of combustion chambers. The third is specialized in medium and small parts made of steel and titanium alloys. The fourth will produce gearboxes made of aluminum and magnesium alloys.

    “This is a modern high-tech center, which was created as part of the import substitution program and the expansion of serial production of helicopter engines in Russia. The latest equipment has been installed here, modern production technologies have been introduced, which reduce labor costs by 25% and increase labor productivity. Investments in the project amounted to 8.7 billion rubles, ”said Vladimir Artyakov, First Deputy General Director of Rostec State Corporation.

    The center is equipped with numerically controlled machines, high-tech machining centers and unique equipment for welding and soldering.

    There are robotic systems for welding parts and assemblies in a controlled atmosphere, a unique control and testing facility for determining the flow characteristics of engines, created by UEC-UMPO specialists, and other machines.

    The center also introduced digital technologies for electronic document management, warehouse automation, equipment monitoring.

    “310 units of the latest equipment have been installed at the new production site. Already next year we plan to reach the design capacity - up to 350 engine kits per year for the hot section of VK-2500 and TV3-117 helicopter engines will be produced here. The Center also has the necessary capacities to participate in international cooperation projects - both in the development of engines and in the joint manufacture of components, ”said Alexander Artyukhov, Director General of UEC.

    Now the center employs 350 people, in the future the staff will be doubled. Recruitment and training of employees is currently underway. For their preparation, on the basis of the UEC-UMPO, the Center for Professional Education of the Aviation Cluster of Rostec State Corporation is being created - a separate building with an area of ​​14.5 thousand square meters. m, which will house 150 units of training equipment. It is planned to train about 2 thousand people here annually.

    Another press release from Rostec Group, issued on the same day, says:

    Another key direction in the current activities of UEC-UMPO is the production of parts for VK-2500 helicopter engines, the final assembly of which is carried out by their developer, UEC-Klimov. The Ufa enterprise is responsible for the production of about 32% of components - more than 900 parts and assembly units for VK-2500 and VK-2500P (PS). To implement the program in UEC-UMPO in 2020, four modern production and technological centers were commissioned.

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4089620.html

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    Post  GarryB on Sun Jul 19, 2020 11:10 am

    So what I am taking from that is that modern helicopter engines are complex and contain bits not just produced everywhere, and that therefore in the past bits of the engines were probably already made in Russia, but a lot of the hot bits made of exotic materials like Titanium were made at Motor Sich and that the new complex this article is talking about is a completely new production complex that makes the bits that Motor Sich was making (though a generation better now) and that presumably other factories and complexes in Russia are also making parts and sections and engines so the 300 engines they are talking about is in addition to the engines Klimov is making for example in its factories...
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    Post  kvs on Sun Jul 19, 2020 1:01 pm

    GarryB wrote:So what I am taking from that is that modern helicopter engines are complex and contain bits not just produced everywhere, and that therefore in the past bits of the engines were probably already made in Russia, but a lot of the hot bits made of exotic materials like Titanium were made at Motor Sich and that the new complex this article is talking about is a completely new production  complex that makes the bits that Motor Sich was making (though a generation better now) and that presumably other factories and complexes in Russia are also making parts and sections and engines so the 300 engines they are talking about is in addition to the engines Klimov is making for example in its factories...

    None of the high level tech was totally localized outside Russia. Russia was and is not starting from scratch at the fundamental level.
    They have to spin up applied work which in itself is difficult. But definitely Russia is not starting from zero with helicopter engines
    and Ukraine is not some catastrophic loss. If there is a problem, it is that Russia took so long to deal with this "offshoring" issue and
    let skilled engineers and scientists retire before making good use of them. But thankfully, there are still many people around who
    enabled continuity with the pre 1991 skills and knowledge and a new generation of skilled workers is in place. This can be seen in
    every sector. Without this, Russia would have been in much worse shape.

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    Post  dino00 on Tue Jul 21, 2020 4:15 am

    UEC is working on the creation of a universal engine for Su aircraft

    UFA, July 21. / TASS /. Specialists of the UEC - Ufa Engine-Building Production Association (part of the United Engine Corporation (UEC) of the Rostec State Corporation) are working on creating a universal engine for fighters based on the engine for the Su-35 aircraft. The managing director of the UEC-UMPO Yevgeny Semivelichenko announced this to reporters.

    Today we are considering the possibility of creating a kind of universal engine using AL-41F-1C units (installed on Su-35 aircraft - TASS note), as well as units of other previous engines. This is a kind of universal engine that can be installed on Su-27 , Su-30 and Su-35. There is such an order from the Ministry of Defense, we are doing this work, "he said.


    https://tass.ru/ekonomika/9011021

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    Post  miketheterrible on Tue Jul 21, 2020 4:23 am

    Makes total sense too. It will greatly reduce prices in long run since engines are a huge cost, make maintenance cheaper and easier, while giving all existing and future jets a tried and tested modern jet engine. This could greatly entice other nations who operate these jets as well to upgrade. Now do same with radar.
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    Post  Isos on Tue Jul 21, 2020 4:27 am

    It makes no sense actually. Su-35 has them, upgrade for su-30 plans to use the su-35 engine and the upgraded su-27 also use them if I'm not wrong even if they have low numbers of SM2 and SM3 in service (but they won't last as long as the 30 and 35 anyway).

    Same situation for the radar. Irbis is already planned to be used on all of them.

    What would make sense is to design su-57's engine so that they can be used on su-27 series so that when any of them need new engines they can put the newest one on them and slowly replace all of them.
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    Post  AJ-47 on Wed Jul 22, 2020 7:15 am

    RUSSIA is developing a single engine for Sukhoi fighters
    7/20/2020

    Experts from the A. Lyulka Design Bureau of the Ufa Engine-Building Production Association ("UEC-UMPO") are developing a universal engine for several types of fighters. This was announced by the managing director of the enterprise Yevgeny Semivelichenko.

    According to him, the OKB is developing a single engine that can be installed on fighters without modifying the airframe. We are talking about the Su-27, Su-30 and Su-35 fighters. The order for the development of a unified engine came from the Ministry of Defense; it is planned that the introduction of a single propulsion system will reduce the costs of the military department. At the same time, Semivelichenko did not give any details on the work carried out and the approximate characteristics of the new engine.
    “Today we are considering the possibility of creating a kind of universal engine using AL-41F-1C units, as well as units of other previous engines. This is a kind of universal engine that can be installed on the Su-27, Su-30 and Su-35. There is such an order from the Ministry of Defense, we are carrying out this work” - he said.

    The AL-41F-1S aircraft engine (product 117S) is a two-shaft by-pass turbojet engine of modular design with a controlled thrust vector. The engine uses a new low pressure compressor with increased air consumption and efficiency, as well as a new turbine with a more efficient blade cooling system. Installed on Su-35S fighters. At present, OKB "Sukhoi" is conducting R&D work on the creation of an upgraded version of the Su-30 - Su-30SMD, which will also receive the AL-41F-1S engine.

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    Post  GarryB on Wed Jul 22, 2020 12:10 pm

    They are getting into the same position Tupolev got in to where the Tu-22M3 and the Tu-160 both used 25 ton thrust jet engines but the engines themselves were different and not compatible... so with 100 Tu-22M3s with 200 NK-25s and with 15 Tu-160s with 60 NK-31s they had to deal with two different types of engines with different parts and different designs and different manuals, when if you actually looked at the specs they could be the same engine with similar dry weight, similar thrust, similar fuel consumption similar physical size.

    Part of the Tu-22M3M upgrade is supposed to be adapting them to the NK-31, so that instead of having to upgrade both the NK-25 and the NK-31 they can just upgrade one type, and for the moment get the benefit of 60 upgraded Backfires and 18 odd Blackjacks getting the benefit of the work... so instead of upgrade work initially helping 60 engines on 15 aircraft, it can also help 60 Backfires which means another 120 engines built and in the future if they upgrade more Backfires that will also be good as they are definitely making more Blackjacks which will also need engines too.

    In terms of the Flankers it seems silly they all have different engines, though I would make an upgraded unified engine for all the non stealthy Flankers and keep the new engines for the Su-57...

    Reading that article above they seem to be making a new engine based on the one used in the Su-35 for the other Flanker types, which makes sense to me.

    Contrary to popular believe the most powerful engine isn't always the best solution... having engines with too much power effects the performance in other areas and putting a much more powerful engine on a plane might not increase flight speed by that much, but will increase fuel consumption and will generally shorten flight range...

    Sometimes however it can transform an aircraft... the F-14D was a significantly better aircraft than the A model Tomcat... being able to take off in dry thrust safely is a very significant thing.

    It would be interesting if they made this new engine modular so it could fit a range of airframes including Iranian F-14s... imagine the performance of an F-14 with two 16-18 ton thrust turbofan engines.... that were relatively fuel efficient... A sukhoi Tomcat 2020 upgrade with AESA radar, R-37M 300km range AAMs, 18 tons thrust engines... but with just Iran as the only user it would not be cost effective... they would be better off offering Su-35s with those things instead.

    In terms of operational costs this should be good for the Russian AF and will reduce costs and increase commonality. I mean the ground crew just use manuals for maintenence so I doubt they care in regard to having to deal with different engines, but in terms of costs and spare parts it makes sense...

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