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    Post  GarryB on Thu Dec 24, 2020 4:13 am

    And that is the problem with sanctions... when you force Russia to develop its own replacement for a product you sell to them... they are likely not just going to try to reproduce what you made... they will try to make it the best new product they can make it... which means it takes a little longer for them to get it into a serial production mode, but it also means that once they are producing enough for their own needs they can start looking at recovering some of the costs needed to develop that product and produce it by selling theirs to international markets in direct competition with you.

    The value of the ruble means they can probably do it cheaper too and as I said they wont directly copy something they can improve further...

    The irony is that they are not trying to screw anyone... if there were no sanctions and no hostility they would probably be happy to continue to buy Ukrainian helicopter engines and naval power systems... in this case it was the Ukraine screwing itself.

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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic on Fri Dec 25, 2020 1:45 pm

    Kiko wrote:New Russian helicopter engines win in the competition with Motor Sich in the world markets.
    2 days ago

    Along with the recent successes of the Russian aircraft manufacturers, a significant contribution to the revival of the aircraft industry in Russia, at the end of the outgoing year, was also achieved by domestic creators of aircraft engines. At the end of October, at the UEC-Klimov plant in St. Petersburg, a ceremony was held to hand over the certificate of completion of state tests of the VK-2500P engine. Thus, the United Engine Building Company (UEC) in November began the serial assembly of these newest power plants for the modernized Mi-28NM helicopters.

    VK-2500 engines are widely used in the Russian helicopter industry and were originally intended to replace the TVZ-117 power unit, which was supplied by the Ukrainian company Motor Sich. This case was accelerated by the well-known events on the "Maidan" and the subsequent ban on the supply of dual-use goods to the Russian market. Motor Sich engines were also banned. Then large-scale work on the development of domestic helicopter engines began in Russia. For these purposes, a plant was built in St. Petersburg to produce 500 aircraft engines per year. The issue of independence of the Russian helicopter industry from Ukrainian engines was practically resolved.

    How successful the modernized VK-2500P has turned out can be judged by how interested the countries operating Russian helicopters are. For example, it became known about China's intention to purchase 100 of these engines for the modernization of the Mi-171 located in the Celestial Empire. As the Chinese customers explain: Russian motors significantly outperform Motor Sich products. VK-2500P have twice the interval between maintenance than their Ukrainian counterparts, besides, they showed themselves at their best when tested in high altitude and extremely low temperatures. In addition, China is interested in further cooperation with the Russian Federation.

    For a Ukrainian company that is on the verge of bankruptcy, the loss of the helicopter engine market is fatal. It is known that Motor Sich was intended for the products of the Soviet and then Russian aircraft industry. But after severing ties with Russia, it survives by repairing and maintaining aircraft from countries that operate Russian aircraft. It also produces, by order of the same customers, aircraft engines in piece lots. The planned cooperation with Turkish drone production companies will not be a lifesaver for a sinking giant - not the scale ... Ultimately, we will have to start assembling chainsaws and milk separators.

    https://zen.yandex.ru/media/6y1len_62/novye-rossiiskie-vertoletnye-dvigateli-vyigryvaiut-v-konkurentnoi-borbe-s-motor-sich-na-mirovyh-rynkah-5fe0547627ce98245ad75895
    If I am not mistaken, the turbine blades for Russian VK2500 engines are produced in the Donetsk republic, in Snezhnoe (near the Russian border), in a company formerly controlled by motor sich and where all turbine blades for motor sich engines were previously manufactured.
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    Post  GarryB on Sat Dec 26, 2020 1:49 am

    Klimov has been working for some years trying to replace Ukrainian components in the engines they now make for Russian helicopters... I kinda doubt they rely on products still coming from a part of the Ukraine... they have said they have fully Russianised production, which to me suggests they don't rely on anything coming from any part of the Ukraine.

    That is not to say they wouldn't buy products from them to help them out and support them like they used to do with Motor Sich and other Ukrainian companies.

    They might have bought the production machinery and equipment and move it to Russia but I would think making new production machinery and equipment would be more cost effective as it would be more modern and precise and accurate.

    The former workers in the plants would be safer working in Russia and would likely earn more money that they could send back to family not willing to leave.
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    Post  George1 on Wed Jan 20, 2021 1:20 pm

    UEC has established cooperation for the serial production of VK-2500P and VK-2500PS turboshaft engines

    From the bmpd side, recallthat the VK-2500P engine is installed on the upgraded Mi-28NM combat helicopter, and the VK-2500PS series engines - on the Mi-171A2 helicopters and are planned to be installed on a number of other types of helicopters of the Mi-8/17 and Ka-32 families.

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4240148.html

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