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    Post  GarryB Thu Dec 24, 2020 4:13 am

    And that is the problem with sanctions... when you force Russia to develop its own replacement for a product you sell to them... they are likely not just going to try to reproduce what you made... they will try to make it the best new product they can make it... which means it takes a little longer for them to get it into a serial production mode, but it also means that once they are producing enough for their own needs they can start looking at recovering some of the costs needed to develop that product and produce it by selling theirs to international markets in direct competition with you.

    The value of the ruble means they can probably do it cheaper too and as I said they wont directly copy something they can improve further...

    The irony is that they are not trying to screw anyone... if there were no sanctions and no hostility they would probably be happy to continue to buy Ukrainian helicopter engines and naval power systems... in this case it was the Ukraine screwing itself.

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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic Fri Dec 25, 2020 1:45 pm

    Kiko wrote:New Russian helicopter engines win in the competition with Motor Sich in the world markets.
    2 days ago

    Along with the recent successes of the Russian aircraft manufacturers, a significant contribution to the revival of the aircraft industry in Russia, at the end of the outgoing year, was also achieved by domestic creators of aircraft engines. At the end of October, at the UEC-Klimov plant in St. Petersburg, a ceremony was held to hand over the certificate of completion of state tests of the VK-2500P engine. Thus, the United Engine Building Company (UEC) in November began the serial assembly of these newest power plants for the modernized Mi-28NM helicopters.

    VK-2500 engines are widely used in the Russian helicopter industry and were originally intended to replace the TVZ-117 power unit, which was supplied by the Ukrainian company Motor Sich. This case was accelerated by the well-known events on the "Maidan" and the subsequent ban on the supply of dual-use goods to the Russian market. Motor Sich engines were also banned. Then large-scale work on the development of domestic helicopter engines began in Russia. For these purposes, a plant was built in St. Petersburg to produce 500 aircraft engines per year. The issue of independence of the Russian helicopter industry from Ukrainian engines was practically resolved.

    How successful the modernized VK-2500P has turned out can be judged by how interested the countries operating Russian helicopters are. For example, it became known about China's intention to purchase 100 of these engines for the modernization of the Mi-171 located in the Celestial Empire. As the Chinese customers explain: Russian motors significantly outperform Motor Sich products. VK-2500P have twice the interval between maintenance than their Ukrainian counterparts, besides, they showed themselves at their best when tested in high altitude and extremely low temperatures. In addition, China is interested in further cooperation with the Russian Federation.

    For a Ukrainian company that is on the verge of bankruptcy, the loss of the helicopter engine market is fatal. It is known that Motor Sich was intended for the products of the Soviet and then Russian aircraft industry. But after severing ties with Russia, it survives by repairing and maintaining aircraft from countries that operate Russian aircraft. It also produces, by order of the same customers, aircraft engines in piece lots. The planned cooperation with Turkish drone production companies will not be a lifesaver for a sinking giant - not the scale ... Ultimately, we will have to start assembling chainsaws and milk separators.

    https://zen.yandex.ru/media/6y1len_62/novye-rossiiskie-vertoletnye-dvigateli-vyigryvaiut-v-konkurentnoi-borbe-s-motor-sich-na-mirovyh-rynkah-5fe0547627ce98245ad75895
    If I am not mistaken, the turbine blades for Russian VK2500 engines are produced in the Donetsk republic, in Snezhnoe (near the Russian border), in a company formerly controlled by motor sich and where all turbine blades for motor sich engines were previously manufactured.
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    Post  GarryB Sat Dec 26, 2020 1:49 am

    Klimov has been working for some years trying to replace Ukrainian components in the engines they now make for Russian helicopters... I kinda doubt they rely on products still coming from a part of the Ukraine... they have said they have fully Russianised production, which to me suggests they don't rely on anything coming from any part of the Ukraine.

    That is not to say they wouldn't buy products from them to help them out and support them like they used to do with Motor Sich and other Ukrainian companies.

    They might have bought the production machinery and equipment and move it to Russia but I would think making new production machinery and equipment would be more cost effective as it would be more modern and precise and accurate.

    The former workers in the plants would be safer working in Russia and would likely earn more money that they could send back to family not willing to leave.
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    Post  George1 Wed Jan 20, 2021 1:20 pm

    UEC has established cooperation for the serial production of VK-2500P and VK-2500PS turboshaft engines

    From the bmpd side, recallthat the VK-2500P engine is installed on the upgraded Mi-28NM combat helicopter, and the VK-2500PS series engines - on the Mi-171A2 helicopters and are planned to be installed on a number of other types of helicopters of the Mi-8/17 and Ka-32 families.

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4240148.html

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    Post  x_54_u43 Sun Jan 24, 2021 12:53 pm

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    PD-35's electrically actuated thrust reverser's in their nacelle!

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    Post  George1 Fri Jan 29, 2021 2:04 pm

    The new promising VK-650V helicopter engine developed for the Ka-226T and Ansat-U helicopters has entered the stage of bench tests. This was reported by the press service of the United Engine Corporation (UEC).

    https://en.topwar.ru/179504-novyj-otechestvennyj-vertoletnyj-dvigatel-vk-650v-vyshel-na-jetap-stendovyh-ispytanij.html

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    Post  Kiko Fri Feb 05, 2021 9:54 pm

    A promising Russian aircraft engine PD-35 decided to develop according to new principles
    February 5, 2021
    Research work on the development of a promising PD-35 engine is nearing completion, its appearance has been determined, and 18 critical technologies are being created, said the general director of the Central Institute of Aviation Motors named after P.I. Baranova Mikhail Gordin.

    “The peculiarity is that during the development of PD-35, all technical solutions for the engine will be made based on ensuring the minimum life cycle cost. Those. the development goal will be not only to achieve technical characteristics (first of all, fuel efficiency and resource), as in previous generations of engines, or a combination of characteristics and prices, as was done for PD-14, but also full life cycle costs, including the price, and the cost of maintenance, and fuel efficiency ", - quotes RIA Novosti Gordin.

    According to him, bench tests of the PD-35 gas generator will begin in 2021.

    “In the near future, a gas generator, the heart of the engine, is to be tested at UEC-Aviadvigatel, and in the coming year we are waiting for it at our stands,” he said.

    PD-35 is a promising Russian high-thrust by-pass turbofan engine (thrust at takeoff - from 33 to 40 tons). It is intended for installation on promising wide-body aircraft, can be installed on a twin-engine version of the Il-96 aircraft.

    Recall that in December, President Vladimir Putin ordered the creation of an aircraft with a PD-35 engine by 2027.

    https://yandex.ru/turbo/vz.ru/s/news/2021/2/5/1083600.html?publisher_logo_url=https%3A%2F%2Favatars.mds.yandex.net%2Fget-turbo%2F1377702%2F2a000001649347c10fefd4c24be86ffe0126%2Forig&promo=navbar&utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fzen.yandex.com

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    Post  Kiko Tue Mar 09, 2021 9:41 pm

    UEC has manufactured a gearbox for the VK-650V helicopter engine
    3 March

    Good news related to the new VK-650V helicopter engine , which was developed for installation on Ka-226, Ansat and VRT-500 helicopters. Within the framework of cooperation between the enterprises of the United Engine Corporation (UEC), the production complex "Salut" of JSC "UEC" manufactured a gearbox for the VK-650V engine.

    The gearbox is one of the main elements of the engine, because many systems depend on its operation (oil, fuel, etc.) and, of course, the power transmission to the propeller. The first assembled gearbox is intended for the demonstrator motor. Currently, the engine is being tested at JSC "UEC-Klimov".

    The task of the demonstrator engine is as follows - it must confirm the operability of the entire engine design. After successful tests, the first prototype will be built, which will also be tested.

    The process of creating the product was significantly influenced by the pandemic, because of which the creators had to work on a tight schedule. Some problems were identified during production, but they were left behind. The gearbox was manufactured on time.

    This year, UEC-Salyut is to produce three prototypes of the gearbox for the VK-650V.

    The certification of the VK-650V engine should be completed in 2023. It may well come to replace foreign engines.

    https://zen.yandex.ru/media/aircraft_technician/obsudim-horoshuiu-novost-odk-izgotovila-reduktor-dlia-vertoletnogo-dvigatelia-vk650v-603f55e31b252e28ff398d41

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    Post  Kiko Wed Mar 10, 2021 10:32 pm

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    UEC-Kuznetsov has improved the design of the NK-12MP engine.

    http://www.sdelanounas.ru/blogs/139946/

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    Post  LMFS Wed Mar 24, 2021 5:13 am

    This one is an interesting link, by Geo:

    https://docplayer.ru/80194925-Gazogenerator-dvigatelya-izd-30-bazovyy-dlya-semeystva-dvigateley-samolyotov-fa.html

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    Post  Kiko Tue Apr 06, 2021 9:27 pm

    Engine for "Thunder": Russia has successfully replaced the Ukrainian unit.
    April 3, 2021

    Russia has fully mastered production and even improved the AI-222-25 aircraft engine, which was previously created in cooperation with the Ukrainian company Motor Sich. Now the new unit can be used not only on the training Yak-130, but also on heavy UAVs.

    Initially, the aforementioned engine was developed by the Zaporozhye machine-building design bureau "Progress" for the regional liner Tu-324 and was called AI-22. Despite the fact that the unit was never used on a passenger plane, a whole family of turbojet engines was created on its basis, including the economical AI-222-25. The latter was installed on the Yak-130 combat training aircraft.

    The events of 2014 put an end to the Russian-Ukrainian cooperation and the joint production of the unit was stopped. However, already in 2015, the Russian UEC announced the development of the full production cycle of AI-222-25.

    Moreover, now the Salyut enterprise has brought for testing an upgraded version of the unit, which received a doubled resource. This engine is planned to be installed not only on the Yak-130, but also on Russian heavy UAVs, in particular the promising "Thunder". The latter, thanks to the new engine, will be able to take more payload and increase the flight range from 2 to 3.5 thousand km.

    But the UEC does not intend to stop there either. In 2 years, the creation of the AI-222-25 digital twin will be completed, which will speed up work on its new modifications. Consequently, the path of the now completely Russian aircraft engine is just beginning.

    https://topcor.ru/19297-dvigatel-dlja-grom-rossija-uspeshno-zamestila-ukrainskij-agregat.html?utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fzen.yandex.com

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