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    Post  dino00 on Wed Jul 22, 2020 3:19 pm

    Aircraft engine created on 3D printer tested in Russia

    MOSCOW, July 22 - RIA Novosti. For the first time, Russia conducted a successful flight test of an aircraft engine made by 3D printing, its production is scheduled for 2021-2022, told RIA Novosti at the Foundation for Advanced Research ( FPI ).

    "In Tatarstan, on the basis of the Kazanbash aviation center, for the first time in Russia, flight tests of the MGTD-20 gas turbine engine manufactured by 3D printing were carried out. This power plant with a thrust of 22 kgf (kilogram-force) was developed within the framework of a joint project of the Foundation for Advanced Research and the Federal State Unitary Enterprise " VIAM " SSC RF with the participation of JSC NPO "OKB im. M.P. Simonov, "the press service said.

    The FPI explained that a light unmanned aerial vehicle A30 developed by the NPO MP Simonov Design Bureau was used as a flying laboratory for testing the new engine. The wingspan of the drone is 3 meters, the take-off weight is 40 kilograms, taking into account the payload mass of up to 10 kilograms.

    "During the first test flight, according to a given program, the device passed in autopilot mode along the route points at an altitude of 170 meters, reaching a maximum ground speed of 154 kilometers per hour, after which it made a successful landing. The maximum engine speed was 101,600 rpm, the workers - 58,000 rpm, "the fund said.

    It is specified that the production time of the main elements of the engines thanks to the new technology was reduced by 20 times, while the cost of their production was reduced by more than two times.

    During the implementation of the project, a line of promising small-sized gas turbine engines in the thrust class of 10, 20, 125 and 150 kgf was developed, manufactured and tested. The start of serial production of power plants is scheduled for 2021-2022, taking into account the completion of the stage of development work in the interests of the state defense order.

    A joint project of the Foundation for Advanced Study and FSUE "VIAM" on the development of new generation materials for additive technologies for the manufacture of structural elements of aircraft and rocket engines was launched in November 2015. Within the framework of the project, a technology has been created for the manufacture of parts for MGTD and gas turbine plants for industrial use by the method of layer-by-layer laser fusion using metal-powder compositions of heat-resistant and aluminum alloys. A number of developed alloys in terms of strength characteristics exceed their foreign counterparts by more than 20%


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    Cheaper cruise missiles, or cheaper UAV? Like the American Grey Wolf? It's a little slow.

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    Post  LMFS on Wed Jul 22, 2020 7:12 pm

    Isos wrote:It makes no sense actually. Su-35 has them, upgrade for su-30 plans to use the su-35 engine and the upgraded su-27 also use them if I'm not wrong even if they have low numbers of SM2 and SM3 in service (but they won't last as long as the 30 and 35 anyway).

    Same situation for the radar. Irbis is already planned to be used on all of them.

    What would make sense is to design su-57's engine so that they can be used on su-27 series so that when any of them need new engines they can put the newest one on them and slowly replace all of them.

    There was talk about Su-30SM1 using the same engines of Su-35, I have read nothing about the Su-27 or Su-34 doing it until right now.

    The izd. 30 is a supercruising engine and therefore it may not make so much sense to put it in a fighter not designed for such flight regime and engine airflow requirements. And probably it will be notably more expensive too.

    They have many engines in the same size class as of now: apart from the various series of AL-31F, they have the 41F1-S, the 41F1 and then the izd. 30, that is many engines and it definitely make sense to consolidate them and simplify the logistics while improving the aircraft performance. As far as I see it, there are two options that make sense:

    1. They use the 41F1-S on all the Flanker series. Them talking about considering previous versions too may refer to creating an engine that is backwards-compatible with the installation on other planes, but also maybe cheaper than the 41F1-S.

    2. They move the technology of the 41F1, which recently was transferred to serial status, to mass production. Otherwise it would be only used on a handful of Su-57 (maybe 20 units or so, until izd. 30 arrives), that would be re-engined afterwards. I don't know if all the tooling and expenses incurred in preparing the serial production of such engine would be covered in that way. Using it in the Su-35 and other Flankers would give VKS a premium in performance, given that the 41F1-S was designed as an export engine, while making use of that production line. The 41F1-S would still be produced for export customers, so that investment would not be lost.

    I wonder also how Salut will be included in this new development, they were manufacturing AL-31 too...was it only for export customers or also for the Russian Flankers?
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    Post  GarryB on Thu Jul 23, 2020 8:16 am

    Cheaper cruise missiles, or cheaper UAV? Like the American Grey Wolf? It's a little slow.

    A straight wing and non retractable undercarriage and a camera attached to its tail... I rather suspect the aircraft design had more to do with its top speed than the motor.... put the new engine for the PAK FA on an AN-2 and it wont fly that fast either...

    The point is that this is a cheap easily mass produced engine that works likely for a tiny fraction of those American low cost missiles... you could probably buy five Russian missiles with this sort of engine for the price of the packaging used to deliver the Grey Wolf...


    A 25kg thrust motor in a 40kg model should allow quite decent performance, but if you look at the video you could see it wobble from side to side... it can definitely go faster than that but its shape is probably preventing that.

    Note they likely chose a low speed shape so they didn't have the problem of a high speed landing....

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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic on Mon Aug 24, 2020 2:53 pm

    https://naukatehnika.com/pervaya-ustanovochnaya-partiya-dvigatelej-nk-32-vtorogo-etapa-postavlena-dlya-modernizirovannyix-tu-160m.html

    The first installation batch of NK-32 engines of the second stage was delivered for the modernized Tu-160M


    The United Engine Corporation (UEC, part of the Rostec State Corporation) has begun mass production of the NK-32-02 engines.

    Currently, UEC conducts qualification and service life tests of NK-32 series 02 engines at stands. "The newly manufactured engines meet the requirements of the design and regulatory documentation stated in the tactical and technical assignment," the corporation stressed.   The UEC is completing the modernization of production at the UEC-Kuznetsov enterprise, which was required to start the serial production of the second stage NK-32 engines for the modernized Tu-160M ​​strategic missile carriers. "Implementation of measures to organize serial production of NK-32 series 02 engines has been completed. The need to ensure an increase in production throughput entailed a large-scale reconstruction of production," the UEC said.

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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic on Mon Aug 31, 2020 6:40 pm

    https://aviation21.ru/nachalo-ispytanij-demonstratora-dvigatelya-vk-650v-zaplanirovano-na-dekabr-2020-goda/

    At the end of this year they plan to start the ground test of the VK-650 helicopter engine (for kazan ansat and Ka 226, and possibly for the VRT500 (currently planned with the french engine Safran Arrius)).

    Certification is planned for 2023.
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    Post  kvs on Mon Aug 31, 2020 6:53 pm

    Rodion_Romanovic wrote:https://naukatehnika.com/pervaya-ustanovochnaya-partiya-dvigatelej-nk-32-vtorogo-etapa-postavlena-dlya-modernizirovannyix-tu-160m.html

    The first installation batch of NK-32 engines of the second stage was delivered for the modernized Tu-160M


    The United Engine Corporation (UEC, part of the Rostec State Corporation) has begun mass production of the NK-32-02 engines.

    Currently, UEC conducts qualification and service life tests of NK-32 series 02 engines at stands. "The newly manufactured engines meet the requirements of the design and regulatory documentation stated in the tactical and technical assignment," the corporation stressed.   The UEC is completing the modernization of production at the UEC-Kuznetsov enterprise, which was required to start the serial production of the second stage NK-32 engines for the modernized Tu-160M ​​strategic missile carriers. "Implementation of measures to organize serial production of NK-32 series 02 engines has been completed. The need to ensure an increase in production throughput entailed a large-scale reconstruction of production," the UEC said.

    This is a substantial accomplishment. To spin up production from defunct factories or production lines and to revise the design is something that no
    gas station posing as a country can do. Such news is always so bland as if it is run of the mill and ho hum. It is nothing of the sort. Look at China and
    its struggle to copy the Su-27 engines. If this sort of development was trivial it would have taken them no time to produce something better.

    So we see that in spite of the 1990s, Russia did not lose its scientific and engineering skills as represented by highly qualified personnel (HQP). This means
    that effort was made to educate them, train them and pay them. That is not the collapse story always told. In fact, here in the rich west, HQP is let go during
    budget cuts as if it will re-emerge form the woodwork when needed. That's not how it works.

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    Post  George1 on Tue Sep 08, 2020 7:30 am

    UEC-Klimov plans to increase the production of engines for helicopters by one third


    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4133997.html

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    Post  JohninMK on Sat Sep 12, 2020 10:45 pm

    Good background article on the ramping up of helicopter engines.

    https://www.stalkerzone.org/russia-has-launched-a-giant-factory-to-replace-ukrainian-engines/
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    Post  GarryB on Sun Sep 13, 2020 1:07 pm

    Interesting they mention potential cooperation with foreign companies... maybe they can make the fiddly little titanium hot bits for France that are currently made in the US... that would be good for France and good for Russia too...
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    Post  George1 on Thu Oct 22, 2020 11:36 pm

    Advanced engine for Russia’s latest Mi-28NM combat helicopters passes state trials


    The engine has proved to comply with the technical requirements specified by Russia’s top brass and can be used as a powerplant for the latest Russian helicopters, the company’s press office specified

    ST. PETERSBURG, October 22. /TASS/. The advanced VK-2500P engine developed for Russia’s latest Mil Mi-28NM combat helicopters successfully passed state bench tests, the developers said at the ceremony of delivering a certificate on the successful trials at the UEC-Klimov engine maker (part of the United Engine Corporation) on Thursday.

    The certificate was delivered by representatives of Russia’s Defense Ministry.

    "We are confident that this engine has quite a big future. The use of this engine on most Mil and Kamov helicopters will give them completely different qualities than those they have today," UEC-Klimov Executive Director Alexander Vatagin said at the ceremony.

    The engine has successfully passed a series of trials to comply with the technical requirements specified by Russia’s Defense Ministry and can be used as a powerplant for the latest Russian helicopters, the company’s press office specified.

    As its major advantage, the engine employs the most advanced FADEC (full authority digital engine control system), the executive director stressed.

    "This expands the engine’s capabilities enormously, which enables it to give a new quality to the helicopters that have been operational in Russia for many years. The trials took twelve months. We expect the engine to find its application not only on Mi-28NM helicopters but also on other rotorcraft," he told reporters.

    VK-2500 engines are mounted on Mi-8/17, Mi-24/35 and Ka-50/52 helicopters and also on civil Ka-32 rotorcraft. The VK-2500P modification has been developed for the Mi-28NM, the upgraded version of the Mi-28N ‘Night Hunter’ gunship.

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    Post  LMFS on Mon Oct 26, 2020 1:00 am

    About the NK-32-2:

    "Yes, the engine is closed, but all its closeness is inside. Inside the gas-air path, there are a lot of design changes, in particular, the geometry of the blades of profiles, the material from which it is made, the amount of it at different stages has changed. The engine has become more economical. The Tu-160M2 will be able to overcome the distance with this engine for another 1000 km more, and on special modes and more," the serviceman said.

    https://tvzvezda.ru/news/opk/content/20201025924-33ARV.html

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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic on Mon Oct 26, 2020 11:13 am

    LMFS wrote:About the NK-32-2:

    "Yes, the engine is closed, but all its closeness is inside. Inside the gas-air path, there are a lot of design changes, in particular, the geometry of the blades of profiles, the material from which it is made, the amount of it at different stages has changed. The engine has become more economical. The Tu-160M2 will be able to overcome the distance with this engine for another 1000 km more, and on special modes and more," the serviceman said.

    https://tvzvezda.ru/news/opk/content/20201025924-33ARV.html

    I am even more interested in having news about the Pak-Da engine (apparently a subsonic derivative of the NK32-2 and see if they can do a high bypass 24 tons takeoff thrust powerplant for a transport aircraft based on it.

    Of course with new fan, nacelles and pylons (and possibly modified LP system, if the one of the PAK-DA is not up to the job).
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    Post  LMFS on Mon Oct 26, 2020 1:50 pm

    Rodion_Romanovic wrote:I am even more interested in having news about the Pak-Da  engine (apparently a subsonic derivative of the NK32-2 and see if they can do a  high bypass 24 tons takeoff thrust powerplant for a transport aircraft based on it.

    Of course with new fan, nacelles and pylons (and possibly modified LP system, if the one of the PAK-DA is not up to the job).

    Me too, but given it is the new engine for a strategic bomber news are going to be scarce. Russia already has the capacity to repair the D-18T so they are, I would think, not in a hurry for a new engine for the An-124
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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic on Mon Oct 26, 2020 2:56 pm

    LMFS wrote:
    Rodion_Romanovic wrote:I am even more interested in having news about the Pak-Da  engine (apparently a subsonic derivative of the NK32-2 and see if they can do a  high bypass 24 tons takeoff thrust powerplant for a transport aircraft based on it.

    Of course with new fan, nacelles and pylons (and possibly modified LP system, if the one of the PAK-DA is not up to the job).

    Me too, but given it is the new engine for a strategic bomber news are going to be scarce. Russia already has the capacity to repair the D-18T so they are, I would think, not in a hurry for a new engine for the An-124

    Well, if they want to build the new il106 they need a new engine in that thrust range. They cannot build new D18T anyway.

    I know that the original il106 was planned to be powered by engines with a thrust around 18-20 tons, however for the new one there were talk about higher payload possibilities and they mentioned explicitly an engine with a higher thrust (similar to the D18T).

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    Post  GarryB on Tue Oct 27, 2020 5:50 am

    I would like to see them release an early model Il-106 perhaps with 18 ton thrust engines based on the PS-90A3 or something... it should be able to get 70-80 ton payloads around the place, and then later with something like a PD-24 with four engines or PD-35 with two engines they could have the full power standard Il-106M going...

    Hard to make suggestions without knowing the time lines for each engine type...
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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic on Tue Oct 27, 2020 10:37 am

    GarryB wrote:I would like to see them release an early model Il-106 perhaps with 18 ton thrust engines based on the PS-90A3 or something... it should be able to get 70-80 ton payloads around the place, and then later with something like a PD-24 with four engines or PD-35 with two engines they could have the full power standard Il-106M going...

    Hard to make suggestions without knowing the time lines for each engine type...
    That could be interesting, however the ps90a1 or the ps90a3m (the engines proposed also for the il96-400M) have a takeoff thrust of 17.6 tons. This would be comparable with the thrust from the boeing c17 engines and with those of the original il-106 with max payload 80tons.

    Nevertheless it will be probably not enough for an aircraft which should have the same cargo dimensions as the an124 and max payload up to 120 tons (as it was announced last year).

    And I do not believe they want to do a sort of fat il76 or russianised y20....
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    Post  GarryB on Wed Oct 28, 2020 3:52 am

    Actually that is rather better than I thought... 17.6 tons would be fine for the first models... they will need longer runways and will initially limited to the length of runways they can use, but that is fine... when the more suitable engines become available (ie four 22 ton thrust engines or two 35 ton thrust engines) they can convert them during an upgrade and get the full performance.

    A payload of 80 tons is a useful level of payload... that is the payload of the An-22 which these aircraft are essentially replacing... so matching that with the first versions knowing new engines are going to bring a much bigger boost to performance is a very good thing.

    In fact they might find the reduced fuel costs of the smaller less powerful engines might make them a cheaper option for some roles so they might keep the four engine lower thrust models... it is a possibility.

    When the new engines are ready new models can be built with 22-24 ton thrust engines (x4) or 35 ton thrust engines (x2) which should allow safe operations with payloads of 100-110 tons with reduced fuel loads... perhaps getting inflight refuelling topups after takeoff or on the way to the destination.

    They are going to have An-124s around for a while so a PD-24 replacement for their existing engines means they can keep using them because they make every other part of the aircraft themselves, so Slon can then be worked on with its four PD-35 engines with a normal payload of 180 tons as standard (remember four PD-35s means it will have more engine power than the An-225 with 6 engines, so a version with an H tail for external loads on its back could be made to fill that niche role for the Soviet Space agency...)

    So that will mean they will have some Il-106s with four PS-90A3s, and An-124s with upgraded D-18s... then eventually when the PD-24s are ready they can make Il-106s with PD-24s, and fit PD-24s to the An-124s. Those PS-90A3s could be cascaded to Il-76 and Il-476 aircraft because PD-24s will just be more thrust than they need, though they might make a PD-18 to power all the Il-76 clan from two on the IL-276 to four on the 76 and 476 and 576 platforms.

    Once the PD-35 is ready they can put it on the Slon (4 engines), the Il-106 (2 engines) and of course the Il-96 (2 engines) and perhaps even consider using it to replace the turboprop engines on the Bear family of aircraft maybe... if they want to keep using that... or the PAK DA if suitable.

    And I do not believe they want to do a sort of fat il76 or russianised y20....

    But as you say, the Il-106 with 17.6 ton thrust engines (x4) is actually the replacement for the 80 ton capacity An-22 they wanted in the 1990s anyway... at the very least operators of Russian aircraft look at the C-17 and want something like that but dont have the connections or the enormous amounts of money needed to buy those expensive planes.

    The C-17 would be ideal for New Zealand with long range and excellent payload, but it is just too damn expensive.

    An Il-476 would actually be a much better choice, but if they are going to have 80 ton payload Il-106 with a flight range of 5,000km then that would actually be much better.

    Right now and for the foreseeable future we have 20 ton LAV III vehicles we might need to take around the world for peace keeping UN operations... surprise surprise... our transport aircraft is the C-130... which has a 20 ton payload limit, so we can carry one in each plane, but the problems only start there... it is not pressurised so you fly through the weather rather than over it... so it can be very bumpy. It is a prop driven aircraft so it is rather slow so you spend more time getting bumped around to go anywhere... and with a full payload on board its flight range is not that great... with a full payload it can barely reach Australia from New Zealand and it flys at about 550km/h, so civilian airliners are racing past you as you go...

    In comparison an Il-106 could carry three LAVIIIs and their crews and ammo and equipment... fly at 800km/h at much higher altitudes above the weather distances of 5,000km at a time so we could visit Pacific Islands directly without having to island hop like we do now...
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    Post  thegopnik on Wed Nov 11, 2020 8:34 pm

    Credit to Mikhail Buleev from Quora sharing this with me. https://ria.ru/20201105/panfilov-1583127447.html

    "Electric propulsion can be widely used in helicopter construction. Conceptually, a helicopter is much closer to a hybrid car than an airplane, and, therefore, technologically more accessible to apply these technologies. In 2020, the Advanced Research Fund, together with Russian Helicopters, implemented the Elekopter preliminary project, within the framework of which the technical appearance of a promising rotary-wing aircraft and its electric power complex based on HTSC materials was developed, methods for calculating and designing hybrid power plants and electric power complexes were developed. The results of the preliminary project were supported by specialists from leading enterprises of the aviation industry,The use of HTSC materials as part of a hybrid power plant will significantly improve such operational characteristics of helicopters as speed, range, and flight duration.
    - Continuing the aviation theme. In September, it was reported about tests of the MGTD-125E engine within the framework of the Tantalum project, the main parts of which were made using 3D printing. Are these engines only for drones? Can 3D printing technology be transferred to aircraft engines for small or large aircraft?
    - Within the framework of the project, gas turbine engines with thrust of 10, 20, 125 and 150 kilogram-forces have been developed and successfully tested, the main area of ​​their application will be unmanned aircraft. At the same time, the tasks of the Tantalum project are not limited only to the creation of small-sized power plants. The unique metal-powder compositions and 3D-printing technologies we have obtained will be used in the creation of "adult" engines for passenger and transport aviation. In 2020, the main executor of the project, the All-Russian Institute of Aviation Materials, additively manufactured compressor blades, nozzles and nozzle elements for a promising double-circuit super-high-thrust turbofan engine PD-35.
    The MGTD-150 engine developed within the framework of the project is also planned to be used as a return flight engine for the Krylo-SV reusable rocket and space system."

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