- they can be modernized & shouldn't be ignored. CV/Ns will extend AD2 area around India & her possessions- China isn't stupid to get in a 2 front war like Germany & Japan in WWII.
Yes, China is not stupid... so why send a carrier force to attack a country it shares a long land border with... especially a country with Brahmos anti ship missiles?
but India has Brahmos, etc.
That is correct.... which makes using carriers against each other a fucking stupid idea when they share an enormous border and can use the ground to launch aircraft based attacks and missile based attacks on their neighbour without the risk of the other side launching a missile attack and sinking their airfields with all the aircraft at those airfields also being destroyed when submerged under water...
Spending billions of dollars to create a mobile airbase that you then use within range of your ground based air power is just useless pissing away of money for India.
For China they will need to create a perimeter around Taiwan to keep US naval forces away so they can't interfere and also to deal with Japan which has a useful navy too. India does not need a large and powerful navy... not till it starts exporting and importing goods from around the world and therefore needs to secure its own sea lines of communication (SLOC).
India is also playing the American card in this new Great Game; her stakes must be backed up by real $. She's an ideal counterweight near China's underbelly, & it can be used with minimal American losses. Recall the allies campaign in N. Africa & Italy before the Normandy landings.
You don't need to explain what the US gets out of making India and China want to have a fight and an arms race... but how does hostility with China help India... except make them spend money on weapons they would not otherwise need and hostile relations with its largest neighbour... and of course force China and Pakistan to work together against India too?
OTH, India can absorb huge losses- Ms of them die each year of starvation, desease, crime, communal violence, etc.
Yeah, I am sure racist fucking americans think it is a win win... if a war starts against these two nuclear powers some Asians will kill some blacks... I see their end game... but I ask again... what is in it for India... apart from the prestige of operating some very expensive American weapons they can only use when given permission to do so... (ie against China only).
- interoperability & sustainability would be better with common tactics, weapons & parts
But America doesn't give a shit about India and could care less about Indian interests so commonality and weapons interoperability is actually all about forward basing US equipment in conflict zones and providing cannon fodder for the conflict... ie way more useful for the US than for India... in fact conflict with China runs directly counter to India interests... they would be better off working with China on shared interests like BRICS and working on common problems of countries with large populations and newly developing economies... while retaining their own culture and values...
-even if true, why give the French more profits instead of struggling Boeing?
Fuck Boeing... years of being attached to the gravy train nipple have made them pathetic and weak... their products are not good enough, and yet are still expensive to buy and operate.
- other Ms may be adopted too.
RVV-BD is already available for export that exceeds the range and performance of Meteor, and there is plenty of potential for joint development with Russia for anything they like...
- if F-16 theoreticly could, why not F-18s?
Important difference between theoretical and reality... theoretically the Indians could put F-22s into production but the costs and time and obvious problems from the US over copying their fighter means it could only ever be theoretical... just like Hornet production... you would not set up production for less than a couple of hundred aircraft and their navy couldn't use more than 100 at best.
- to them, it's not that important; extra capability & political dividends outweighs this factor.
What political dividends? What benefit did Argentina get from buying Skyhawks from the US... what benefit has Venezuela gotten from operating F-16s from the US... How is Turkey doing being target and ground zero for a Russian nuclear strike because it has US bases on its territory with nuclear bomb storage?
India doesn't need to murder Washington Post writers in its foreign embassies... so what exactly does it get from this purchase that wont be instantly forgotten if they do something the US does not approve of?
-it too could be adopted.
The US will not let Indian or Russian experts integrate Brahmos on the Hornet... they will demand to do it themselves and India will effectively be handing over Brahmos technology to the US... which will be a huge step forward in them regarding anti ship missile technology, but it wont help India much except ensure that pretty soon Pakistan will be able to practise against US copies of Brahmos...
- the tension is already sky high, but there's a chance China will be pressured for concessions.
Of course.... just one more sanction and more pressure and they will fold and give up everything... you know... just like with Putin...
Why does the US or India think China is just holding out till they increase their threats... as India increases the performance of her navy and air force, China will simply do the same... and I think even with full US support that China is going to have more large ships including carriers than India could ever afford, and in terms of fighter aircraft India has rejected Russian stealth fighters... I guess they want 120 million dollar planes in the form of the F-35... which in comparison with their Rafales will be a total bargain... which suggests they will likely be paying 300 million per aircraft instead... especially when we consider what they paid for their C-17s.
But of course they can't buy F-35s if they have S-400s...
In any case, India want to be strong so she can fight a 2 front war with the PRC + Pakistan & avoid being subordinated/bossed around to/by China like many others been lately in Asia .
So to prevent China from bossing them around they want the US and likely Japan and Australia to boss them around?
- so much easier to retrain their pilots for the F-18Fs.
It is not a significant feature if all the alternative aircraft have the same option...
- they can use Ka-31s; 4 deactivated CVN-65 &/ older CVs catapults can also be provided by the US like others were supplied to France & Brazil. Il-38/P-8s will be helping too.
So if Hawkeye can't be used then this is not a useful advantage... and it seems they can't use Ka-31s because US gear does not operate well with enemy equipment remember... that is why you have to buy all US gear...
- u may look that post up on Indian Defense forum & join it to ask for clarifications.
Really don't care about US bullshit and systems and their acronyms... if India wants to start its own little cold war against its neighbour then that is fine... especially now Biden is in control and likely will be rather more China friendly anyway... talk about being left without a seat when the music stops... but that is the game India is playing.
BTW talk of getting investment from the west to replace China as the producer of world shit in sweat shops... China didn't ask for that... all they needed was low cost skilled labour with no labour laws protecting their people. India already has that so as Chinese people demand better wages and conditions western countries are going to start looking to other countries for cheap labour with no red tape anyway.
How many Hornets did China have to buy to get Nike to make shoes in China?
The Indian nationalists won't allow it w/o a big fight; it's not possible before a crushing mil. defeat or a breakup.
Well then Indian nationalists will get a war... a war they likely wont win because the US will drop them like a hot potato when things really get bad.... and they will spend trillions in a cold war that could be better spend on economic development and growth... but I am sure they don't understand that this is exactly what the US MIC wants because that is how they make money.
if nothing else, selling a few C-17s & buying a few IL-476s, besides cutting other less important programs, should help a lot! India can also send her workers to the RF like NK did to earn extra $.
Yes, sell off stuff and sending workers to afford stuff you don't need... you often see unemployed tramps driving Ferraris in the west doing exactly the same thing... because most tramps in the west care about what other people think of them... who needs to eat...