There are already plenty of Kalashnikov armed "child refugees" "culturally enriching" the local area.

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GarryB wrote:So how has NATO membership helped lighten up the population in other NATO countries?
I would suggest it hasn't... in fact the major direct impact has been the immediate introduction of US soldiers, which come in a range of colours... so perhaps those pale northerners will still get some colour anyway... they might not like it, but ask any native group about how they felt about the spanish, or dutch, or english or french arriving to their beautiful shores... what goes around comes around.
At least the Europeans brought civilization, all i see these people bringing is crime and economic fallout.
GarryB wrote:At least the Europeans brought civilization, all i see these people bringing is crime and economic fallout.
Civilisation is what you call it is it?
More like you turned their world upside down and told they everything they thought was wrong...
Now they are returning the favour...
Your magic beans didn't work so now they want a refund...
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Yea, except this "favour" don't work for sh%t.
At least the colonials favour actually worked when they did it.
They are the ones that wanted to rule themselves, and they F'ed up, they only got themselves to blame.
Translation: if we can bribe their politicians to turn their countries into minions.
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walle83 wrote:Swedish defence minister Peter Hultqvist denies any plans for Sweden to join NATO.
https://sverigesradio.se/artikel/forsvarsministern-avfardar-oppositionens-krav-om-nato
"The Swedish government has no ambition to change Swedish security policy stance"
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GarryB wrote:Joining HATO would not make them any safer and in fact would greatly worsen relations with Russia... not that they would be too upset about that but especially for Finland there is a bit of trade going over that border that would be effected.
To be clear right now obviously Russia trades with Germany and other HATO members, but they have stated publicly they are not happy with HATO expansion and they want it to stop.
They have not threatened to attack or invade anyone if their interests are ignored... I am pretty sure Finland and Sweden joining HATO would not start WWIII, but Russia would obviously change its relations with all HATO members because they would all have to approve this to allow it to happen, which means they all acted against Russian interests.
Obviously they can do what they like and Russia can't stop them, but there are plenty of things Russia can do, like recognising HATO as a threat to Russian national security and dramatically restrict or even cut ties with its members would be an obvious first step... if HATO wants to make Russia an enemy then they are unlikely to find growth and development and fair trade in that direction, so funding for the navy needs to massively increase and Russia needs to start looking to the rest of the world for trade and development and growth... start working on ties with BRICS countries... maybe add a few more countries to the group... boost trade and cooperation amongst the countries involved, and work towards helping them off their dependence on the west and the international organisations the west controls and misuses and abuses.
It does not surprise me that Sweden and Finland don't want to be cannon fodder for stupid American games.
Obviously they would have joined years ago if they didn't care about their own people and just wanted to please other european powers and the US.
walle83 wrote:GarryB wrote:Joining HATO would not make them any safer and in fact would greatly worsen relations with Russia... not that they would be too upset about that but especially for Finland there is a bit of trade going over that border that would be effected.
To be clear right now obviously Russia trades with Germany and other HATO members, but they have stated publicly they are not happy with HATO expansion and they want it to stop.
They have not threatened to attack or invade anyone if their interests are ignored... I am pretty sure Finland and Sweden joining HATO would not start WWIII, but Russia would obviously change its relations with all HATO members because they would all have to approve this to allow it to happen, which means they all acted against Russian interests.
Obviously they can do what they like and Russia can't stop them, but there are plenty of things Russia can do, like recognising HATO as a threat to Russian national security and dramatically restrict or even cut ties with its members would be an obvious first step... if HATO wants to make Russia an enemy then they are unlikely to find growth and development and fair trade in that direction, so funding for the navy needs to massively increase and Russia needs to start looking to the rest of the world for trade and development and growth... start working on ties with BRICS countries... maybe add a few more countries to the group... boost trade and cooperation amongst the countries involved, and work towards helping them off their dependence on the west and the international organisations the west controls and misuses and abuses.
It does not surprise me that Sweden and Finland don't want to be cannon fodder for stupid American games.
Obviously they would have joined years ago if they didn't care about their own people and just wanted to please other european powers and the US.
Joining Nato has two sides, yes Russia would probably threaten us more and testing our defences. But at the same time it would take alot more before they would attack for real. Ukraine, Georgia, Kasaksthan is one thing. Doing the same to a full Nato country is something else.
As a Swed myself i can say that 75% of the population dont give the **** about the Russians. Joining Nato I would say is about 50/50. As long as the Socialdemocrats has the power it will not happen however. In 5-10 years who knows.
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Battalion0415 wrote:Speciality Swedes need NATO when they have smaller troops near Russia.
It will cost 3 billion euro to join NATO but it's worth every money Sweden give to NATO.
Russia can attack's Sweden about 10 year in future and Sweden need help from outside country.
All help Sweden need to fight back enemies.
Backman wrote:Battalion0415 wrote:Speciality Swedes need NATO when they have smaller troops near Russia.
It will cost 3 billion euro to join NATO but it's worth every money Sweden give to NATO.
Russia can attack's Sweden about 10 year in future and Sweden need help from outside country.
All help Sweden need to fight back enemies.
The surest way to decrease your security is to become a pawn on Russia's periphery controlled by Washington DC.
Why wouldn't you want to stand on your own feet and deal with Russia yourself ? Like you are doing now.
flamming_python wrote:walle83 wrote:GarryB wrote:Joining HATO would not make them any safer and in fact would greatly worsen relations with Russia... not that they would be too upset about that but especially for Finland there is a bit of trade going over that border that would be effected.
To be clear right now obviously Russia trades with Germany and other HATO members, but they have stated publicly they are not happy with HATO expansion and they want it to stop.
They have not threatened to attack or invade anyone if their interests are ignored... I am pretty sure Finland and Sweden joining HATO would not start WWIII, but Russia would obviously change its relations with all HATO members because they would all have to approve this to allow it to happen, which means they all acted against Russian interests.
Obviously they can do what they like and Russia can't stop them, but there are plenty of things Russia can do, like recognising HATO as a threat to Russian national security and dramatically restrict or even cut ties with its members would be an obvious first step... if HATO wants to make Russia an enemy then they are unlikely to find growth and development and fair trade in that direction, so funding for the navy needs to massively increase and Russia needs to start looking to the rest of the world for trade and development and growth... start working on ties with BRICS countries... maybe add a few more countries to the group... boost trade and cooperation amongst the countries involved, and work towards helping them off their dependence on the west and the international organisations the west controls and misuses and abuses.
It does not surprise me that Sweden and Finland don't want to be cannon fodder for stupid American games.
Obviously they would have joined years ago if they didn't care about their own people and just wanted to please other european powers and the US.
Joining Nato has two sides, yes Russia would probably threaten us more and testing our defences. But at the same time it would take alot more before they would attack for real. Ukraine, Georgia, Kasaksthan is one thing. Doing the same to a full Nato country is something else.
As a Swed myself i can say that 75% of the population dont give the **** about the Russians. Joining Nato I would say is about 50/50. As long as the Socialdemocrats has the power it will not happen however. In 5-10 years who knows.
It will happen I suspect if Washington makes a few phone calls.
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Tell that to the baltics. Saw a interview with primeminster of Lettia I think it was the other day. She wasnt worried about any Russian attack at all. Becaouse she knew that a attack on them would be an attack on the Nato as a whole.
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walle83 wrote:Backman wrote:Battalion0415 wrote:Speciality Swedes need NATO when they have smaller troops near Russia.
It will cost 3 billion euro to join NATO but it's worth every money Sweden give to NATO.
Russia can attack's Sweden about 10 year in future and Sweden need help from outside country.
All help Sweden need to fight back enemies.
The surest way to decrease your security is to become a pawn on Russia's periphery controlled by Washington DC.
Why wouldn't you want to stand on your own feet and deal with Russia yourself ? Like you are doing now.
Tell that to the baltics. Saw a interview with primeminster of Lettia I think it was the other day. She wasnt worried about any Russian attack at all. Becaouse she knew that a attack on them would be an attack on the Nato as a whole.
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