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    Post  Hole on Tue Oct 13, 2020 9:07 pm

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    This could be the TEL of the S-500 system.

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    Post  LMFS on Thu Oct 15, 2020 8:58 pm

    Alexey Leonkov answers to the claimed recent "discovery" of S-400 weaknesses by NATO:

    https://tass.ru/opinions/9724221
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    Post  Isos on Sat Oct 17, 2020 5:55 pm

    https://mobile.twitter.com/hkilichsword/status/1317490328354484224


    They say it's a 40N6E launched by turkish S-400. IMO it's just a 48N6. I doubt they gave them the 40N6. We never saw footage of russian launch and I doubt it's in service yet.

    The export 40N6 could be just a 48N6 with more fuel and nothing to do with russian 40N6 which should be part of S-500.
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    Post  Hole on Sat Oct 17, 2020 8:54 pm

    It is in service since 2018.

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    Post  Isos on Sun Oct 18, 2020 12:46 am

    Hole wrote:It is in service since 2018.

    Well we haven't seen it in a footage and the ones sent to China were "destroyed" in a storm. Quite weired IMO.

    I still think they keep the real for themselves and sell a modified 48N6 for export.
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    Post  franco on Mon Oct 19, 2020 8:58 pm

    franco wrote:
    calripson wrote:
    George1 wrote:Almaz-Antey hands over third S-400 regiment this year to Defense Ministry ahead of time

    https://tass.com/defense/1204665

    Where do they plan to deploy it?

    Reports were that the 568th in Samara and the 185th in Yekaterinburg are due to receive the next 2. They presently have the 300PS.

    According to this news article it was the 185th regiment in Yekaterinburg that received the S-400.

    https://tass.com/defense/1213617

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    Post  lancelot on Tue Oct 20, 2020 8:03 am

    Isos wrote:
    Hole wrote:It is in service since 2018.

    Well we haven't seen it in a footage and the ones sent to China were "destroyed" in a storm. Quite weired IMO.

    I still think they keep the real for themselves and sell a modified 48N6 for export.

    All the S-400 systems and missiles have been delivered to China as of late last year. Two regiments.
    Just go to tass.com and search for "S-400 China".
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    Post  George1 on Wed Oct 21, 2020 10:29 pm

    Record indicators of practical missile firing of S-400 anti-aircraft missile systems in 2020

    According to information received from the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, in 2020, 10 anti-aircraft missile regiments of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation equipped with S-400 anti-aircraft missile systems, consisting of one or two divisions, were conducted at the Ashuluk and Telemba ranges. The firing was carried out by anti-aircraft missile regiments from Novosibirsk, Vladivostok, Znamensk, Novorossiysk, Sevastopol and others. Practical rocket firing of the S-400 anti-aircraft missile system of the anti-aircraft missile regiment of the 2nd Red Banner Air Defense Division of the 6 Leningrad Red Banner Army of the Air Force and Air Defense at the Ashuluk training ground (Astrakhan Region), April 2020 (c) frame from the video of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation

    It is reported that in the course of these firing, a total of 51 targets were used. 63 S-400 anti-aircraft guided missiles were fired at targets. All targets were hit after being captured by the location with one missile. Fired 12 more missiles than targets - several targets were finished off on the machine with a second missile.


    Video of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation of practical firing of the S-400 air defense system at the Ashuluk range:


    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4168682.html

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    Post  owais.usmani on Wed Oct 28, 2020 6:32 pm

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    Post  Isos on Wed Oct 28, 2020 6:54 pm

    Those data are all classified. His ranking has no value...
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    Post  lyle6 on Thu Oct 29, 2020 3:20 am

    The list is total nonsense. The Iranians neither have the experience, expertise nor the resources to replicate the S-400. Even China, with orders magnitude more of the three has to import the S-400 just to keep abreast with Russian developments and you're telling me Iran could achieve all that without going through nearly a fraction of the hoops China does? Wishful thinking.
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    Post  Isos on Thu Oct 29, 2020 9:45 am

    It was made by a random iranian guy on twitter. That should be forbiden on the forum.
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    Post  Hole on Thu Oct 29, 2020 11:00 am

    This is not Facebook. If someone wants to post something stupid it is his choice. Wink
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    Post  lyle6 on Thu Oct 29, 2020 12:02 pm

    The bottomline is Iran badly needs modern weapons, but her MIC simply could not produce those weapons at the level of quality and quantity that could make them competitive with foreign arms. Pretending otherwise out of national pride is stupid, counterproductive and ultimately dangerous.
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    Post  GarryB on Fri Oct 30, 2020 3:20 am

    Well to be fair not every SAM missile the Iranians use need to be S-400 level weapons capable of sweeping everything from the sky at 400km range.

    Even the old missiles the Russians operate like the SA-3s which were intended for use against low and medium altitude threats while SA-1 and SA-2 confronted the high flying bombers still have their use... a target like a dumb cruise missile can be shot down with most SAMs because putting essentially an EW suite on a cruise missile to let the missile become aware that it is under attack makes them much more expensive, and even then it wont know it is under attack from passive homing weapons...

    SA-3s could smack down large numbers of slow low flying cruise missiles... leaving the bigger and newer missiles for more difficult targets...

    With a good IADS you can add old obsolete systems because part of an IADS is sensors but also management... decisions on what system on the flight path of the threat would be best suited to shoot down that threat at this time.

    Equally more sophisticated incoming missiles might detect components of the defences and actually be programmed to attack certain portions to weaken it so for instance a fake decoy S-400 radar emitter encased in armour plate could be used... open the armoured door and transmit a signal pretending to be an S-400 battery... then shut down like a real battery would and shut the armoured door and then have dozens of missiles exploding nearby trying to take out the radar.... then open the armoured door and transmit again and then shut the door for the subsequent attacking forces... optical systems can be used to see where actual weapons are so the door can be closed as they approach...

    It is not an easy simple game and both sides can play all sorts of tricks.

    It was made by a random iranian guy on twitter. That should be forbiden on the forum.

    You can all judge the quality for yourself... there are people with talent around... I don't want to put them off making such charts if it collates information.... obviously sources need to be clear if you want to discuss it and take it seriously... but this is the sort of thing that happens all the time... look at US official ratings of quietness of submarines for example... the information certainly wont be 100% accurate and they certainly wont reveal any actual secrets and want to make it appear they are getting value for money even if the steel their subs are made of is not even up to their own standards and requirements...

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    Post  Big_Gazza on Fri Oct 30, 2020 11:38 am

    lyle6 wrote:The bottomline is Iran badly needs modern weapons, but her MIC simply could not produce those weapons at the level of quality and quantity that could make them competitive with foreign arms. Pretending otherwise out of national pride is stupid, counterproductive and ultimately dangerous.

    dafuq?   Suspect

    The US used to think so until Iran whacked their bases in Iraq with precision missiles strikes in response to the murder of Soleimani.  Or the LACM strike from Yemen that smacked the Saudi oil facilities. Very few nations can make missile systems that perform as well as the recent Iranian force demonstrations.

    Iranian military is MASSIVELY under-estimated by idiots in the West (and Zionistan & the Sunni Arab kleptocracies).

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    Post  lyle6 on Fri Oct 30, 2020 12:11 pm

    Big_Gazza wrote:
    dafuq?   Suspect

    The US used to think so until Iran whacked their bases in Iraq with precision missiles strikes in response to the murder of Soleimani.  Or the LACM strike from Yemen that smacked the Saudi oil facilities. Very few nations can make missile systems that perform as well as the recent Iranian force demonstrations.

    Iranian military is MASSIVELY under-estimated by idiots in the West (and Zionistan & the Sunni Arab kleptocracies).

    Said bases were practically stripped of the required air defences, and the Saudis are just that incompetent. Iran got a small win exploiting the bravado of their opponents but make no mistake the US will straight up thrash them in a serious fight.
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    Post  KoTeMoRe on Fri Oct 30, 2020 12:23 pm

    lyle6 wrote:
    Big_Gazza wrote:
    dafuq?   Suspect

    The US used to think so until Iran whacked their bases in Iraq with precision missiles strikes in response to the murder of Soleimani.  Or the LACM strike from Yemen that smacked the Saudi oil facilities. Very few nations can make missile systems that perform as well as the recent Iranian force demonstrations.

    Iranian military is MASSIVELY under-estimated by idiots in the West (and Zionistan & the Sunni Arab kleptocracies).

    Said bases were practically stripped of the required air defences, and the Saudis are just that incompetent. Iran got a small win exploiting the bravado of their opponents but make no mistake the US will straight up thrash them in a serious fight.


    Iran uses SKD kits to allow a militia to strike deep in KSA.
    This is something the Armenians should have looked into for ages now. Especially as the guidance system is very basic.
    The US will have the upper hand but it will be a protracted war with many ups and downs.

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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Fri Oct 30, 2020 1:12 pm

    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    lyle6 wrote:
    Big_Gazza wrote:
    dafuq?   Suspect

    The US used to think so until Iran whacked their bases in Iraq with precision missiles strikes in response to the murder of Soleimani.  Or the LACM strike from Yemen that smacked the Saudi oil facilities. Very few nations can make missile systems that perform as well as the recent Iranian force demonstrations.

    Iranian military is MASSIVELY under-estimated by idiots in the West (and Zionistan & the Sunni Arab kleptocracies).

    Said bases were practically stripped of the required air defences, and the Saudis are just that incompetent. Iran got a small win exploiting the bravado of their opponents but make no mistake the US will straight up thrash them in a serious fight.


    Iran uses SKD kits to allow a militia to strike deep in KSA.
    This is something the Armenians should have looked into for ages now. Especially as the guidance system is very basic.
    The US will have the upper hand but it will be a protracted war with many ups and downs.


    Russia, China, and North Korea won't stand idly by and would insure to play their part behind the scenes. Russia could all SIGINT and advancing targeting and tactics, and could just as easily carry out a heavy ECM attack on a carrier group, and ensure 10 or 15 ballistic missiles hit a Nimitz class rendering it inoperable (if not destroyed), with plausible deniability (Iranians taking all the credit). North Korea could supply ballistic missiles, using Russian territory (and the Caspian Sea) as a corridor to delivering weapons. China could provide financial and economic aid in the crisis.
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    Post  AlfaT8 on Fri Oct 30, 2020 2:20 pm

    lyle6 wrote:Said bases were practically stripped of the required air defences, and the Saudis are just that incompetent. Iran got a small win exploiting the bravado of their opponents but make no mistake the US will straight up thrash them in a serious fight.

    The Fuq?
    Air defenses??..... for the Iraqis, sorry but the U.S refused to give Iraq basic F-16s for years even when ISIS was Marching to Baghdad, heck that was partly why ISIS got so far.
    Russia had to sell them SU-25 just to save their As.
    And you think Merca was gonna sell them air defenses, ha.

    Sure, merca can trash almost anybody,... at a cost.
    And sadly for them Iran will cost them big time.

    Iran is not stupid like Iraq under Saddam was, and give Merca 6 months or more to prepare, those jumping off point will be bombed.
    Iran will not waste it's missiles to start some stupid/retarded sh%t with Israel.

    Iran is not all bark either like that idiot Gaddafi in Libya, barking all day about taking on the evil West, but never properly invested in defense for sh%t.
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    Post  GarryB Yesterday at 2:57 am

    Trump had plenty of opportunities to attack Iran but he decided not to... do you think that is because Iran is not really in the same category as Iraq or Syria or Yemen or Libya...

    I mean to be fair, Trump is not a particularly smart person, but he is also a business man and knows wars are expensive and often counter productive... part of the reason he was elected was because he openly talked about useless wars that cost American lives that really don't matter for American security and stability and in fact often make America less safe internationally than more safe... so I suspect he would be harder to convince to go to war against Iran than say Hillary or Obama.

    People talk about how superior the US is and how they can trash countries, but look at which countries defeated them... Somalia... springs to mind... they picked the wrong enemy and got a bloody nose for it... they didn't need to make that warlord an enemy and everything would have been fine but they did something stupid during what should have been a rescue mission to feed people who were starving and they made it into a war.

    They couldn't even beat tiny poorly equipped Serbia and had to use Russia to trick both Russia and Serbia... HATO refused to send in ground forces because they were afraid... obviously respect to Serbia, and Somali warlords... and of course all the other countries the US has tangled with and lost... Vietnam, Cuba, Venezuela, ...

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    Post  lancelot Yesterday at 3:15 am

    AlfaT8 wrote:...
    Iran is not all bark either like that idiot Gaddafi in Libya, barking all day about taking on the evil West, but never properly invested in defense for sh%t.

    Libya at one point had MiG-25s. However after the Lockerbie incident they were marginalized and couldn't acquire weapons in the open market easily.
    Gaddafi had previous to that survived numerous assassination attempts, including bombing his palace, that's why he lived in a tent.
    The West also tried to put him down with the war on Chad where they armed insurgents with "technicals" and he had to fight in the south for years.

    His problem was he thought by relinquishing power they would let his country do its own thing. That was misguided.
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    Post  AlfaT8 Yesterday at 4:59 am

    lancelot wrote:
    Libya at one point had MiG-25s. However after the Lockerbie incident they were marginalized and couldn't acquire weapons in the open market easily.
    Gaddafi had previous to that survived numerous assassination attempts, including bombing his palace, that's why he lived in a tent.
    The West also tried to put him down with the war on Chad where they armed insurgents with "technicals" and he had to fight in the south for years.

    His problem was he thought by relinquishing power they would let his country do its own thing. That was misguided.

    The Lockerbie incident was in 1988 and Gaddafi's fall was in 2011.
    And the Toyota War officially ended in 1994.

    All sanctions on Libya minus the U.S ones were lifted in 2003.
    So, what the hell was Gaddafi doing from 2003 onwards?


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