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    Post  GarryB on Sun Jul 05, 2020 4:14 am

    Awesome picture... it makes it clear that a tube big enough to carry Rif and Rif-M which are S-300 sized missiles could also carry four S-350 missiles in it the way they are sometimes fitted to S-400 tubes before the S-350 TELs were ready, but it also shows that the S-300V missiles (the two middle vehicles) are both different from the S-300 and S-400 missiles.

    What is not obvious is the other difference... the two outer vehicles are wheeled trucks and the two vehicles in the middle are tracked vehicles like tanks.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Sun Jul 05, 2020 4:24 am

    GarryB wrote:Awesome picture... it makes it clear that a tube big enough to carry Rif and Rif-M which are S-300 sized missiles could also carry four S-350 missiles in it the way they are sometimes fitted to S-400 tubes before the S-350 TELs were ready, but it also shows that the S-300V missiles (the two middle vehicles) are both different from the S-300 and S-400 missiles.

    What is not obvious is the other difference... the two outer vehicles are wheeled trucks and the two vehicles in the middle are tracked vehicles like tanks.

    I was also under the impression that the tracked TELs were larger than the wheeled TELs, when it's the opposite actually.
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    Post  Mindstorm on Mon Jul 06, 2020 11:51 am


    Игорь Коротченко say that competitors of C-500 will not appear abroad before 15-20 years and that its maximum altitude of interception will be around 270-300 km


    https://vpk.name/news/416538_ishodya_iz_harakteristik_s-500_ee_budut_primenyat_v_kachestve_elementa_mobilnoi_strategicheskoi_pro.html

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    Post  GarryB on Mon Jul 06, 2020 2:03 pm

    S-500 are anti ICBM systems and technically with a range of more than 500km should not be allowed to be exported under the missile export controls agreements in place.

    Of course that same agreement would prevent the AEGIS Ashore Mk-41 launchers from being deployed to Japan or Europe or anywhere really....
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Tue Jul 07, 2020 1:38 am

    Mindstorm wrote:
    Игорь Коротченко say that competitors of C-500 will not appear abroad before 15-20 years and that its maximum altitude of interception will be around 270-300 km


    https://vpk.name/news/416538_ishodya_iz_harakteristik_s-500_ee_budut_primenyat_v_kachestve_elementa_mobilnoi_strategicheskoi_pro.htmlhttps://www.gazeta.ru/army/2020/06/19/13123189.shtml

    Today, Russia is engaged in the development of a landfill base in the regions of the country, but this is far from a quick and very costly way.

    While some unresolved technical problems are affecting the Nudoli adoption period, the entry into the S-500 troops is mainly due to the imperfection of the training base.

    “The task of“ shooting off ”this system in full, especially in the near space, and with the corresponding target situation, has yet to be solved. But there are no technological problems associated with the adoption of the S-500. Nevertheless, the receipt of both systems to equip the Russian army in 2021 should be assessed as a period colored by a fair amount of optimism, ”a high-ranking source in the Russian defense industry explained to Gazeta.ru.

    The S-500 "Prometheus" anti-aircraft missile system (55R6M "Triumfator-M") is being developed by the Almaz-Antey Concern for Aerospace Defense as a new generation of air defense and missile defense systems. The S-500 is supposed to apply the principle of separate solution to the tasks of destroying ballistic and aerodynamic targets.

    As Pavel Sozinov , general designer of the Almaz-Antey East-Kazakhstan Concern, told in an interview with Gazeta.ru , “the S-500 anti-aircraft missile system is not just a repetition of the systems of previous generations in the next technical and technological edition. The S-500 air defense system is classified as a 5th generation system, and it will solve missile defense missions as well.

    We strive to significantly exceed in many respects the achievements that the Americans realized in the THAAD mobile missile defense system. Another task of the "Five Hundred" is to further increase the capabilities in the field of air defense.


    Compared with the S-400, the new system will be completely different constructively and technically, it will have new location and computing facilities, new anti-aircraft guided missiles. "


    Another important point, said the general designer of the Concern East Kazakhstan Almaz-Antey, and this is a global trend - the basic modes of operation in the S-500 air defense system will be automatic.

    That is, the intervention of a human operator in the course of combat work is assumed, but the main mode of all S-500 assets separately, and the system as a whole, is automatic. Only in this case can the desired result be achieved by repelling the impact of modern airspace attack equipment, especially in the conditions of massive raids and in difficult conditions of an interference environment, the general designer explained.

    Technological support is equally important, says Pavel Sozinov.

    S-500 is a large scientific and industrial-technological program, and not just designing a system of prefabricated elements.

    “It is clear that in order to achieve unique in the class of mobile air defense / missile defense capabilities, an advanced technological platform is needed. We have it, ”the general designer emphasized.

    As part of the S-500 air defense system it is planned to have: command and control facilities: combat control point 85ZH6-1, early warning radar 60K6; air defense module: command post 55K6MA, radar 91N6AM, launchers 51P6M, anti-aircraft guided missiles 40N6M; missile defense module: combat control point 85ZH6-2, 76T6 and 77T6 radar with active phased array (AFAR), launchers 77P6; missiles 77N6-N and 77N6-H1 (developed by OJSC MKB Fakel).

    As for the Nudoli, this system has the ability to fire at targets in near space, and its anti-missiles will be equipped with both special and conventional warheads.

    https://www.gazeta.ru/army/2020/06/19/13123189.shtml
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    Post  dino00 on Thu Jul 09, 2020 8:54 pm

    Anti-aircraft gunners in Eastern Siberia to get latest S-300PM-2 air defense systems

    https://tass.com/defense/1176499

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    Post  kvs on Wed Jul 29, 2020 6:25 pm



    The above is relevant to this thread since it adds support to the fact that the S-400 is an effective system.

    The US is bitching hard that Russia is deploying the S-400 to the Arctic. If you look at a world globe, you will see
    that Russia's land mass is not adjacent to the USA aside from the Bering Strait. So why would the yanquis care
    so much where Russia deploys the S-400 inside its borders in the high latitudes:

    1) the yanquis have been making lots of noise about controlling the Arctic in the name of freedumbs and other
    vapid BS. They even deployed the F-35 (LOL) to Alaska.

    2) the yanquis have and had big plans to establish their ABM from the Arctic Ocean near Russia's coast where they
    expected to intercept Russian ICBMs in the boost phase.

    3) the yanquis worship air war. They think that control of the air guarantees their victory. The S-400 denies them
    such a chance even if they lie about it.

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    Post  Viktor on Wed Aug 05, 2020 4:27 pm

    Another S-400 regiment enters starts its duty thumbsup

    The Ministry of Defense received the second regimental set of S-400 air defense systems

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    Post  RTN on Fri Aug 07, 2020 2:33 pm

    GarryB wrote:I suspect to maximise performance they likely split the tasks of in space manouvering and non manouvering targets and inside the atmosphere manouvering and non manouvering targets.

    The S-300V system has a small missile and a big missile... the difference is basically a solid rocket booster... the big one has a bigger booster while the smaller missile has a smaller booster.

    the bigger booster gives the bigger missile more energy to engage targets at longer ranges and higher altitudes and together they can engage a wider range of targets than either missile could manage on their own.

    When they say unmanned platforms they don't mean hand held drones 5km away... they will be meaning HALES and MALES and hypersonic unmanned bombers or cruise missiles...

    Within Russia the 96L6 is deployed in three ways: as an EW asset within the EW network, with the S-350, and with the S-400. While many S-300PM batteries received the Favorit-S upgrade and are now S-300PM2 standard, that seems to only involve upgraded equipment and the ability to fire the 48N6D. They retain the 76N6 and have not received the 96L6.

    Furthermore, the ability of a single battery to operate independent of an air defence network should not be understated. They have the 96L6 at the battery level, providing them with a dedicated organic acquisition and track generating capability. The 96L6 can perform 360 degree search, the limiting factor will be the 120 degree or so engagement cone for the 92N6 engagement radar at a given point in time.

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    Post  Isos on Fri Aug 07, 2020 3:30 pm

    Furthermore, the ability of a single battery to operate independent of an air defence network should not be understated.

    As long as you know where the engagement radar is, it become useless, just like any air defence system that is operating alone. Then you can plan an attack to take it down.

    In a IADS you will detect the radar that scan the airspace but not the s-300 that is listening 100km away with radar turned off and waiting informations about any plane entering in its engagement zone. Then it locks on you and launch a missile while you think there is no AD there.

    Buk system can spread the launchers to cover more area against low altitude flying planes because each of them has a thermal camera for passive detection and an engagement radar to work alone.
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    Post  RTN on Fri Aug 07, 2020 10:53 pm

    Isos wrote:the s-300 that is listening 100km away with radar turned off and waiting informations about any plane entering in its engagement zone. Then it locks on you and launch a missile while you think there is no AD there.
    Listening with radar turned off would mean what? The S -300 battery is receiving information about the enemy aircraft, missile from other sources like space based assets?
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    Post  Isos on Fri Aug 07, 2020 10:59 pm

    RTN wrote:
    Isos wrote:the s-300 that is listening 100km away with radar turned off and waiting informations about any plane entering in its engagement zone. Then it locks on you and launch a missile while you think there is no AD there.
    Listening with radar turned off would mean what? The S -300 battery is receiving information about the enemy aircraft, missile from other sources like space based assets?

    IADS. Datalink.

    It will receive informations from command posts that will be noticed by a nearby radar that is turned on about enemy planes. For exemple Nebo radars.

    The operator in the S-300 with the radar turned off will see on its consol everything the Nebo sees transmited through the command post. But its radar will be turned off. Once the enemy aircraft goes inside its engaging zone it will just use its engagement radar to launch its missiles at the last moment.

    But generally S-400/300 are top tier AD systems and their surveillance radar will work as the active radar while other buks, pantsir and tors will be around waiting for orders. But then even buks have an engagement radar that goes with them. Which less powerfull that s-400's. And all of them will be connected to a command post and every command post will be connected to a more important command post. Lot of redundancy. But mainly it will be surveillance rdar that will be turned on working in L band or S band against which normal jammers don't work and they see at least 300-400 km away a small fighter.

    That's why IADS are good.

    They don't use satelittes IMO for their IADS.

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