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    Post  kvs on Sat Sep 12, 2020 9:58 pm



    Nice rant that gets to the core of the entitled prats who are the cannon fodder for PC totalitarianism. Coddling is not good for children. And that is not
    the same thing as advocating abuse. Pandering to child vanity is grotesque.

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    Post  kvs on Sun Sep 13, 2020 3:36 pm



    "Patriarchy" and the "oppression" of women.
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    Post  kvs on Mon Sep 14, 2020 10:09 pm



    Wow. So a female is entitled to a theoretical career and money from that career which she "gives up" for marriage and child rearing.
    I have questions for the c*nts in this UK court: is the man entitled to the money he would not have spent on his wife and her children
    if he had chosen not to marry the female? Why is this BS privilege being afforded to the females? What makes them more special
    then men? Equality? What equality.

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Tue Sep 15, 2020 12:09 am

    Yeaaaaaah getting married is often a death sentence in modern times.
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    Post  crod on Tue Sep 15, 2020 4:24 am

    kvs wrote:

    Wow.   So a female is entitled to a theoretical career and money from that career which she "gives up" for marriage and child rearing.
    I have questions for the c*nts in this UK court: is the man entitled to the money he would not have spent on his wife and her children
    if he had chosen not to marry the female?    Why is this BS privilege being afforded to the females?   What makes them more special
    then men?   Equality?  What equality.


    Speaking as a lawyer, you have grossly misinterpreted the legislation via that video. It works both ways. Let me explain...

    *Example: let's assume that the male is the predominant home carer that gave up his career (or didn't have one to begin with - it doesn't matter) to raise the family, with the woman the main financial provider. If the relationship breaks down, then the male is entitled to be to be financially remunerated by the female and also provide child support until the children reach the age of 18 (where applicable). The settlement will include all assets including the consideration of future pension entitlements etc. This example is in the most simplistic of forms but you get the picture. There are so many different permutations it becomes quite complex, emotionally draining, time consuming and expensive.

    Same applies to same sex and de-facto relationships btw - where a country's constitution facilitates such relationships. Most western nations do.

    The UK has moved, much like most other countries in recent times towards a no fault approach where mediation is the preferred method of resolution, thus saving on costs and court time. The mediation process will normally conclude with consent orders signed by both parties and submitted to the responsible court with jurisdiction.

    Child access is also split evenly where applicable though there might (usually) be different circumstances that results in a different arrangement.

    * I am not a UK admitted solicitor however UK family law is pretty consistent with other western nations.
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    Post  kvs on Tue Sep 15, 2020 5:00 am

    crod wrote:
    kvs wrote:

    Wow.   So a female is entitled to a theoretical career and money from that career which she "gives up" for marriage and child rearing.
    I have questions for the c*nts in this UK court: is the man entitled to the money he would not have spent on his wife and her children
    if he had chosen not to marry the female?    Why is this BS privilege being afforded to the females?   What makes them more special
    then men?   Equality?  What equality.


    Speaking as a lawyer, you have grossly misinterpreted the legislation via that video. It works both ways. Let me explain...

    *Example: let's assume that the male is the predominant home carer that gave up his career (or didn't have one to begin with - it doesn't matter) to raise the family, with the woman the main financial provider. If the relationship breaks down, then the male is entitled to be to be financially remunerated by the female and also provide child support until the children reach the age of 18 (where applicable). The settlement will include all assets including the consideration of future pension entitlements etc. This example is in the most simplistic of forms but you get the picture. There are so many different permutations it becomes quite complex, emotionally draining, time consuming and expensive.

    Same applies to same sex and de-facto relationships btw - where a country's constitution facilitates such relationships. Most western nations do.

    The UK has moved, much like most other countries in recent times towards a no fault approach where mediation is the preferred method of resolution, thus saving on costs and court time. The mediation process will normally conclude with consent orders signed by both parties and submitted to the responsible court with jurisdiction.

    Child access is also split evenly where applicable though there might (usually) be different circumstances that results in a different arrangement.

    * I am not a UK admitted solicitor however UK family law is pretty consistent with other western nations.

    No fault divorce already gives females alimony and 50% or more of the combined assets during marriage.    This is a new precedent setting ruling
    which you completely misrepresent as established process.   It goes beyond no fault divorce laws to assign a new category of compensation
    based on a "what if" scenario.   But only for the female.   She is somehow able now to claim some potential revenue for a potential job
    she would have had if there was no marriage.   Clearly this ruling is Kafkaesque abuse of jurisprudence since it treats the compensation
    from asset splitting and alimony not being sufficient.   So the wife of Bezos got her billions from asset splitting even though she did
    not earn a cent of it, but this kangaroo court "ruling" adds her gender additional rights to dig into a man's pocket for hypothetical losses.

    Don't insult the intelligence of people posting here by pretending this is within the scope of existing law or precedent.   This is a completely
    new interpretation of female "rights" during divorce which is total nonsense.   Personal decisions have final bearing on claims.   Females
    can't have their cake and it eat too by both choosing to

    1) marry

    2) have children

    and then cop out when they are not happy with their decisions.   This ruling is utterly ridiculous since it ignores the existing over-compensation
    of females at the expense of men (e.g. alimony on top of asset splitting; if it was "no fault" divorce, there would be no alimony.   Alimony is
    by definition fault based and makes it male fault divorce) and pretends that the female is somehow being conned into marrying and having
    children when she decides to make those choices.    If the state feels women are too oppressed by marriage and child bearing, then it should
    cough up the money itself to "compensate" them.

    My question to this kangaroo court stands: if the female can claim "what if" compensation, why cannot the male claim the same sort of
    compensation?   Marriage is not a slavery contract for females where men extort their efforts.   The male pays the bills if the female is
    not working.   Do these kangaroo jesters. and their apologists like you, really think they are credible with such BS?   Clearly this ruling
    should be applied to males since under the wife's "what if" they have a corresponding "what if" where they do not pay those bills.
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    Post  crod on Tue Sep 15, 2020 10:50 am

    When I married my wife she was infinitely wealthier than I. Had I divorced her, I would have been just as legally entitled to the same proportion as she would if we were to reverse the scenario (thus your question is again answered!). There is UK case law that backs this up. Dyor on the matter.

    I can only suggest that you read the UK Marriage Act in order to gain a better understanding as your assumptions as posted are not only wide of the mark, but crucially have no legal basis. If I was to not have a career but was the principal home keeper, I would be able to argue for similar compensation, it is gender fluid, you seem to think that only a female can do this - you are incorrect to do so.

    Also, try and use use examples pertaining to one jurisdiction; you have jumped from the UK to the US.

    If the above is not clear then let me state again for you. If you married a woman or man who was of stronger financial standing and you decided to divorce her/him, YOU WOULD BE ENTITLED TO A PROPORTION OF THE ASSET POOL even if all you brought to the marriage was the shirt on your back.

    Remember that every matter will have its own unique legal argument but each side will use case law to define their argument.

    I can recall a matter where my wife represented the husband...it got so down and dirty they were arguing over the quantity of fuel in a domestic fuel tank out the back shed and the petrol price at the time of purchase. Crazy stuff, he did well out of it and walked with a 58% 42% split in his favour. Our firm walked away with about 70k AUD. Such is life.
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    Post  nomadski on Tue Sep 15, 2020 2:03 pm

    There are no good solutions in divorce. Especially when children are involved. Since all post divorce arrangements, depend on voluntary cooperation of both parties. And since by definition this does not exist. Then no formal or legal arrangements can work well in practice.

    The problem is to stop divorce in the first place. But such conditions, will need radical reform of economic and social conditions. That are now I think impossible.

    Solomon the prophet could not solve it !  And he was very wise.........


    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judgment_of_Solomon
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    Post  crod on Tue Sep 15, 2020 2:17 pm

    Well actually court orders in most western countries are enforceable and has very little to with voluntary cooperation tbh. Loss of child access and court appearances are usually enough to make people comply.
    Though in my experience it is only the very bitter that don’t do what is best for the children. These people lose out in the long run but thankfully they’re in the minority. Some people are just too pig headed or don’t really understand the power of the court system until it’s too late. Maturity or lack of is usually a contributing factor believe it or not. Some people are just so bitter it eats them up also. Sad really.
    You do make a poignant comment about the involvement of children who at times get used as pawns, this is always heart wrenching tbh especially when your client is a complete and utter fuckwit.
    You have your religious beliefs and that is fine, they have no bearing on me or my profession however and divorce is a very viable option for people that need to get out toxic relationships or where they simply do not share the same feelings they once did.

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    Post  kvs on Tue Sep 15, 2020 4:22 pm

    https://twitter.com/PrisonPlanet/status/1305530505077706756

    Twitter conveniently censors all of Biden's child molestation videos in the name of "saving the children". We wouldn't want proof
    of his pedophelia to confuse the voters in an election. You can bet your last penny that if these were videos of Trump then
    they would not only not be removed, they would be "trended".

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    Post  Odin of Ossetia on Tue Sep 15, 2020 9:39 pm

    crod wrote:When I married my wife she was infinitely wealthier than I. Had I divorced her, I would have been just as legally entitled to the same proportion as she would if we were to reverse the scenario (thus your question is again answered!). There is UK case law that backs this up. Dyor on the matter.

    I can only suggest that you read the UK Marriage Act in order to gain a better understanding as your assumptions as posted are not only wide of the mark, but crucially have no legal basis. If I was to not have a career but was the principal home keeper, I would be able to argue for similar compensation, it is gender fluid, you seem to think that only a female can do this - you are incorrect to do so.

    Also, try and use use examples pertaining to one jurisdiction; you have jumped from the UK to the US.

    If the above is not clear then let me state again for you. If you married a woman or man who was of stronger financial standing and you decided to divorce her/him, YOU WOULD BE ENTITLED TO A PROPORTION OF THE ASSET POOL even if all you brought to the marriage was the shirt on your back.

    Remember that every matter will have its own unique legal argument but each side will use case law to define their argument.

    I can recall a matter where my wife represented the husband...it got so down and dirty they were arguing over the quantity of fuel in a domestic fuel tank out the back shed and the petrol price at the time of purchase. Crazy stuff, he did well out of it and walked with a 58% 42% split in his favour. Our firm walked away with about 70k AUD. Such is life.



    Do you live in the U.K. or in Australia?

    I believe the U.K. has by itself at least a couple of legal jurisdictions, while Australia might have a few (one for each state?).

    There could be some differences between the separate jurisdictions with regard to their respective laws.


    Of course, the statute law might be the same everywhere, like it is the case in Canada.


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    Post  crod on Wed Sep 16, 2020 12:16 am

    I have resided in Australia for the past twenty yrs.
    You are correct about different jurisdictions within Australia however family law is federal (state or territory laws cannot deal with family law matters, there are other types of law where this is the case also).
    The UK has different ‘countries’ so to speak and some of the laws are specific to those regions as passed by their respective legislators - government. Like Australia however there are certain types of law under the crown system and would be the highest court in the land.
    When I lived in the UK I was not a solicitor but was working in foreign affairs for my government, I am therefore not completely up to speed on the UK legal system. Some of our UK residing members would be best placed to comment and indeed would be a better authority on it than me.
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    Post  GarryB on Wed Sep 16, 2020 12:53 pm

    The sad part is knowledge.... when you argue with a stranger there is not really much they can say that will really upset you, but a wife or partner you have lived with for years and knows all your weaknesses and vulnerabilities can really do some damage with just words or just actions.

    Most of the time women demand getting 100% custody of the kids it to hurt their partner... and a little lie like he hit the kids or abused them in some way... like denied them dinner if they didn't eat their vegetables... which was not abuse when I was young... that was just normal trying to get me to eat well... but in a court of law it can be made to appear to be abuse.

    If you need alimony and child support to raise the children doesn't that suggest you are unable to bring up the children without help... yet you want 100% custody....

    It is like that Jim Carey movie Liar liar... nothing to do with the kids, and any technicality to get your way is fair game... dirty pool. angry
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    Post  crod on Wed Sep 16, 2020 2:43 pm

    GarryB wrote:

    Most of the time women demand getting 100% custody of the kids it to hurt their partner... and a little lie like he hit the kids or abused them in some way... like denied them dinner if they didn't eat their vegetables... which was not abuse when I was young... that was just normal trying to get me to eat well... but in a court of law it can be made to appear to be abuse.

    These days 100% access to one over the other is very rare unless there are very clear reasons to do so. The issue of false allegations (particularly around sexual abuse) to secure access creates a very complex situation. The truth more often than not emerges but not before a truly horrendous amount of damage, carnage even has occurred. I know of one case where the wrongly accused commit suicide - devastating outcome.

    An extreme example but the investigations by police, social services and medical staff is lengthy, costly and have an almost a debilitating effect on all involved - including the legal teams. Thankfully such examples are rare but nevertheless occur.

    Family law is never straight forward...most solicitors will tell you that nearly 50% of their time is counselling! Fighting over the estate of a dead relative is nearly as bad and is fast becoming, dare I say it, BIG business. Human behaviour, Christ on a bike.

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    Post  GarryB on Thu Sep 17, 2020 6:07 am

    You can't evade this shit even if you choose not to get married, because if you live with a partner more than a set period of time you are essentially married and if one partner then wants to leave they get half of the collective assets.

    Recently in New Zealand they changed the rules so you only can leave with essentially what you brought in to the relationship... have heard of a few guys that lost valuable gun collections because their now ex-spouse wants half the value... just really nasty shit... and they don't care about the money... they just want him to sell the things he likes because he didn't pay her enough attention so she cheated on him...
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    Post  kvs on Thu Sep 17, 2020 3:58 pm

    GarryB wrote:You can't evade this shit even if you choose not to get married, because if you live with a partner more than a set period of time you are essentially married and if one partner then wants to leave they get half of the collective assets.

    Recently in New Zealand they changed the rules so you only can leave with essentially what you brought in to the relationship... have heard of a few guys that lost valuable gun collections because their now ex-spouse wants half the value... just really nasty shit... and they don't care about the money... they just want him to sell the things he likes because he didn't pay her enough attention so she cheated on him...

    "No fault" divorce is one of the biggest human rights abuses of all time. It is a distortion of the concept of "no fault" as with car accidents. In the case of car accidents there is not
    litigation but equal coverage including for serious injuries. In Canada it is possible to litigate in some provinces but bulk of the coverage is no fault. But divorce is something else.
    The assets of the male before marriage should clearly have no role in any divorce split. But that is exactly what you have with this Kafkaesque law. That is divorce pillage, pure and
    simple. How are these pre-marriage assets of the man related to the female? No fault means that neither party is penalized for divorce, but you can see that this is not the case
    and the man is penalized by having the female get a windfall through claims on assets she never helped to accumulate.

    In some US states it is possible to sign prenuptial agreements to secure unrelated assets. But in other states the courts have decided that such agreements are null and void.
    Even if such agreements are possible, the mere fact that they are needed shows that the divorce laws are broken. But asset splitting is not the only problem with the misnamed
    "no fault" divorce laws. The female gets alimony on top of her asset grab. So she is rewarded twice at the expense of the man. Alimony is pure obscenity where the kangaroo
    family courts set it at some capriciously high level based on a one time peak family standard of living. So the female gets an absurdly high salary for doing no work from the man
    for life even if the man becomes poor and loses his job. Alimony is never set at some minimum such as $10,000 per year. It is always above the average income level. That
    is why men commit suicide or run off to other countries. It is a f*cking yoke and to call this "no fault" divorce makes Orwell cringe.

    If it was really no fault divorce, then neither party would get anything like alimony. Only fair asset splitting would be involved, namely the assets accumulated after marriage and not
    before. Child support is another problem but I have made my case.

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    Post  kvs Yesterday at 7:40 pm



    The rot in the US entertainment industry is terminal. Also, "white privilege" is a phony construct designed to oppress normal whites.
    All sorts of degenerates and sodomites are promoted and can act above the law, but supposedly people like me who earned their
    degrees with actual studying and effort are "unfairly advantaged". Maybe because people like me do not go around abusing other
    people and pretending to be victims. Real victims are basically never heard. But today we have fake victims using their fake
    victimhood to oppress normal people.


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