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    Post  Aristide on Sun Aug 23, 2020 8:02 pm

    kvs wrote:
    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:Pharoahs weren't black but they were not white either. They belonged to the Caucasian race (phenotypical one) but another branch, like Egyptians today.

    THey could have been slightly darker. Some Egyptians today are arabized Greeks and Romans.

    This is not about white greatness.   It is about revisionist BS.  Any off-white is not automatically black.  For example, Arabs.

    Also, the "white" construct is BS itself.   Greeks are "white" but had a civilization thousands of years before most European "whites".

    Thats bullshit of course. There were cultures in France and even up to Scotland that predate Greece by up to 10.000 years.

    We have stone buildings here that are 12.000 years old and show a complex culture
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    Post  GarryB on Mon Aug 24, 2020 5:56 am

    The cultures in Scotland and France have been largely forgotten because they clearly were not that useful.... concepts from Greece and other early civilisations live on today...
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    Post  Aristide on Mon Aug 24, 2020 7:33 pm

    GarryB wrote:The cultures in Scotland and France have been largely forgotten because they clearly were not that useful.... concepts from Greece and other early civilisations live on today...

    Greece is based on those cultures.
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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg on Mon Aug 24, 2020 7:52 pm

    There were never advanced civilizations in Western and Northern Europe before the Romans got there. The archeological evidence simply isn't there.

    Most of Europe became suitable for large scale agriculture in the High Middle Ages thanks to wheeled plough, horse collar and the three-field system whocc allowed the heavy soil to be plowed efficiently. Before that agriculture in Western and Central Europe was limited to areas around rivers, in burned out forests (slash and burn agriculture) and small spots with exceptionally good soils. There was no surplus of food that could allow a high population density with a significant % of the population doing something else other than farming.
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    Post  Aristide on Mon Aug 24, 2020 8:16 pm

    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:There were never advanced civilizations in Western and Northern Europe before the Romans got there. The archeological evidence simply isn't there.

    Most of Europe became suitable for large scale agriculture in the High Middle Ages thanks to wheeled plough, horse collar and the three-field system whocc allowed the heavy soil to be plowed efficiently. Before that agriculture in Western and Central Europe was limited to areas around rivers, in burned out forests (slash and burn agriculture) and small spots with exceptionally good soils. There was no surplus of food that could allow a high population density with a significant % of the population doing something else other than farming.

    Of course thats bullshit as artifacts like the Skydisc of Nebra show. The inhabitants of western and northern europe had knowledge that even surpassed egypt and predates mesopotamia. The worlds oldest stone buildings stand in France, Sardinia and Scotland.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nebra_sky_disk

    The romans and egyptians knowledge about the sky was primitive compared to western and northern europeans.

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Mon Aug 24, 2020 8:49 pm

    Aristide wrote:
    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:There were never advanced civilizations in Western and Northern Europe before the Romans got there. The archeological evidence simply isn't there.

    Most of Europe became suitable for large scale agriculture in the High Middle Ages thanks to wheeled plough, horse collar and the three-field system whocc allowed the heavy soil to be plowed efficiently. Before that agriculture in Western and Central Europe was limited to areas around rivers, in burned out forests (slash and burn agriculture) and small spots with exceptionally good soils. There was no surplus of food that could allow a high population density with a significant % of the population doing something else other than farming.

    Of course thats bullshit as artifacts like the Skydisc of Nebra show. The inhabitants of western and northern europe had knowledge that even surpassed egypt and predates mesopotamia. The worlds oldest stone buildings stand in France, Sardinia and Scotland.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nebra_sky_disk

    The romans and egyptians knowledge about the sky was primitive compared to western and northern europeans.


    Oldest stone structure in the world is the Ggantija in Malta.

    One of the worlds oldest biggest buildings in the top ten is in Scotland though but France isn't in the top ten, England however is.

    Oldest building in France is the Maison Carrée. Which is an old Roman Temple.


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    Post  kvs on Mon Aug 24, 2020 8:50 pm

    Aristide wrote:
    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:There were never advanced civilizations in Western and Northern Europe before the Romans got there. The archeological evidence simply isn't there.

    Most of Europe became suitable for large scale agriculture in the High Middle Ages thanks to wheeled plough, horse collar and the three-field system whocc allowed the heavy soil to be plowed efficiently. Before that agriculture in Western and Central Europe was limited to areas around rivers, in burned out forests (slash and burn agriculture) and small spots with exceptionally good soils. There was no surplus of food that could allow a high population density with a significant % of the population doing something else other than farming.

    Of course thats bullshit as artifacts like the Skydisc of Nebra show. The inhabitants of western and northern europe had knowledge that even surpassed egypt and predates mesopotamia. The worlds oldest stone buildings stand in France, Sardinia and Scotland.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nebra_sky_disk

    The romans and egyptians knowledge about the sky was primitive compared to western and northern europeans.


    Even though it sounds like exaggeration you are likely right. The aboriginals of the US south-west built "primitive" stone structures that had insanely precise
    alignment with star systems and planetary and lunar phases. They may not have built big observatories, but their astronomy was very advanced. I would
    not be surprised of the Celts who moved to western Europe first around 5,000 years ago could have had a similar astronomical "fetish" that they developed
    in Central Asia, where most Europeans appear to be from, if you go back long enough. That is why you find essentially Scottish tartan knitting found in
    Urals region kurgans. None of the mummies found in those kurgans looks anything like the Asiatics currently living there. It was funny how the PBS
    just had to engage in PC BS by calling those clearly unrelated peoples as "ancestors" of the current residents of those lands. They are nothing of the sort.
    For example they are completely Caucasian and many have red hair.
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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg on Mon Aug 24, 2020 9:12 pm

    Who are you talking about? Tocharians? They were Indo-European.

    Central Asia was Indo-European until a phenotypically Asiatic Turkic peoples replaced them well in the Common Era.

    PS: Ancestors of modern day IE languages (all languges in Europe except Basque, Finnish, Estonian and Hungarian) originated from the Pontic-Caspian steppe but they never dominated EUrope genetically. There is has been more or less gentic continuity in Europe since the Neolothic age with Indo-European migrations contributing maybe 20% to the total European genome.
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    Post  Aristide on Tue Aug 25, 2020 4:52 am

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:
    Aristide wrote:
    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:There were never advanced civilizations in Western and Northern Europe before the Romans got there. The archeological evidence simply isn't there.

    Most of Europe became suitable for large scale agriculture in the High Middle Ages thanks to wheeled plough, horse collar and the three-field system whocc allowed the heavy soil to be plowed efficiently. Before that agriculture in Western and Central Europe was limited to areas around rivers, in burned out forests (slash and burn agriculture) and small spots with exceptionally good soils. There was no surplus of food that could allow a high population density with a significant % of the population doing something else other than farming.

    Of course thats bullshit as artifacts like the Skydisc of Nebra show. The inhabitants of western and northern europe had knowledge that even surpassed egypt and predates mesopotamia. The worlds oldest stone buildings stand in France, Sardinia and Scotland.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nebra_sky_disk

    The romans and egyptians knowledge about the sky was primitive compared to western and northern europeans.


    Oldest stone structure in the world is the Ggantija in Malta.

    One of the worlds oldest biggest buildings in the top ten is in Scotland though but France isn't in the top ten, England however is.

    Oldest building in France is the Maison Carrée. Which is an old Roman Temple.

    Bullshit.

    The 5 oldest structures in the world are all in France.

    Like the Cairn of Barnenez, build 4.800 bc

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barnenez

    Or the Tumukus of Bougon, also 4800 bc

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tumulus_of_Bougon
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    Post  flamming_python on Tue Aug 25, 2020 5:10 am

    And the relevance of bronze-age societies in Europe to the decline of modern-day Western society is...?
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    Post  Aristide on Tue Aug 25, 2020 5:25 am

    flamming_python wrote:And the relevance of bronze-age societies in Europe to the decline of modern-day Western society is...?

    1. There is no decline. You take some crazy shig communist bullshit of a super small but loud group amd take that as western society? Same shit is in russia or China. Its the normal way of leftist, communist thinking. It always gets mlre and more crazy.

    2. The absolute big majority in the west, as well as in the east is perfectly normal. Work hard, think normal and joke about this leftist bullshit.

    3. The relevanve of bronze age european socities is exactly that. The PC morons want tell you evry mud hut in mumbo jumbo land is a society and at same time claim our ancestors were living in caves, which is just bullshit. They want feel us bad for colonialism ect. Why should i feel bad for colonialism? When the only thing a people invented in 40.000 years is a spear, they deserve to be crushed and exploited. I feel not bad for anything. I am damn proud for evry single square meter France got hold on.
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    Post  flamming_python on Tue Aug 25, 2020 7:44 am

    Aristide wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:And the relevance of bronze-age societies in Europe to the decline of modern-day Western society is...?

    1. There is no decline. You take some crazy shig communist bullshit of a super small but loud group amd take that as western society? Same shit is in russia or China. Its the normal way of leftist, communist thinking. It always gets mlre and more crazy.

    I was referring to the title of the thread.

    Although what you have to understand that this super small but loud group (that in fact has nothing to do with communist theory), has the support of the political establishment and is being propogated internally and abroad, much in the manner of state religions in past times.

    As for decline, basically any ideology has to conform to the realities of material conditions. The more it deviates, the more tensions and contradictions it will result in. I believe Western Europe is basically on that path.
    The other side of decline is the economic one. Can European economies continue their expansion in the face of the rising economic presence of China, of the growth of smaller but also significant industrial economies as the Indian, Russian and Brazilian ones - who all have their own ruling classes interested in expanding their corporations and investments abroad and in competition with the prevailing Western ones? Can European economies continue internal growth, with the help of immigration, when such immigration introduced into a liberal ideological and economic order is leading to rising discontent of the native population?

    Well these are all big questions.

    2. The absolute big majority in the west, as well as in the east is perfectly normal. Work hard, think normal and joke about this leftist bullshit.

    And soon you won't even be allowed to joke about it, unless the current order of things change.

    3. The relevanve of bronze age european socities is exactly that. The PC morons want tell you evry mud hut in mumbo jumbo land is a society and at same time claim our ancestors were living in caves, which is just bullshit. They want feel us bad for colonialism ect. Why should i feel bad for colonialism? When the only thing a people invented in 40.000 years is a spear, they deserve to be crushed and exploited. I feel not bad for anything. I am damn proud for evry single square meter France got hold on.

    Well if you base your understanding of life on national ego and pride you will eventually end up disillusioned.
    The world doesn't work this way. When you take away all idealisms you are left with the competition of different economic forces around the world, that can justify themselves with ideologies, religions, whatever. Colonialism was a natural part of this competition and anyone with enough power would have done it at the time. It deserves condemnation as it led to absolutely inhuman acts and conditions. One should recognize this, it's not about feeling 'shame', the vast majority of Frenchmen were never asked what policy they want their country to follow but simply told, that this policy was the correct one because of A, B or C.
    But there's no need to be so naive for the future.
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    Post  kvs on Tue Aug 25, 2020 5:21 pm



    Some good analysis of SJW mental pathology. Get past the little skit he does a the beginning, it gets more serious later.

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    Post  Aristide on Tue Aug 25, 2020 6:55 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
    Aristide wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:And the relevance of bronze-age societies in Europe to the decline of modern-day Western society is...?

    1. There is no decline. You take some crazy shig communist bullshit of a super small but loud group amd take that as western society? Same shit is in russia or China. Its the normal way of leftist, communist thinking. It always gets mlre and more crazy.

    I was referring to the title of the thread.

    Although what you have to understand that this super small but loud group (that in fact has nothing to do with communist theory), has the support of the political establishment and is being propogated internally and abroad, much in the manner of state religions in past times.

    As for decline, basically any ideology has to conform to the realities of material conditions. The more it deviates, the more tensions and contradictions it will result in. I believe Western Europe is basically on that path.
    The other side of decline is the economic one. Can European economies continue their expansion in the face of the rising economic presence of China, of the growth of smaller but also significant industrial economies as the Indian, Russian and Brazilian ones - who all have their own ruling classes interested in expanding their corporations and investments abroad and in competition with the prevailing Western ones? Can European economies continue internal growth, with the help of immigration, when such immigration introduced into a liberal ideological and economic order is leading to rising discontent of the native population?

    Well these are all big questions.

    2. The absolute big majority in the west, as well as in the east is perfectly normal. Work hard, think normal and joke about this leftist bullshit.

    And soon you won't even be allowed to joke about it, unless the current order of things change.

    3. The relevanve of bronze age european socities is exactly that. The PC morons want tell you evry mud hut in mumbo jumbo land is a society and at same time claim our ancestors were living in caves, which is just bullshit. They want feel us bad for colonialism ect. Why should i feel bad for colonialism? When the only thing a people invented in 40.000 years is a spear, they deserve to be crushed and exploited. I feel not bad for anything. I am damn proud for evry single square meter France got hold on.

    Well if you base your understanding of life on national ego and pride you will eventually end up disillusioned.
    The world doesn't work this way. When you take away all idealisms you are left with the competition of different economic forces around the world, that can justify themselves with ideologies, religions, whatever. Colonialism was a natural part of this competition and anyone with enough power would have done it at the time. It deserves condemnation as it led to absolutely inhuman acts and conditions. One should recognize this, it's not about feeling 'shame', the vast majority of Frenchmen were never asked what policy they want their country to follow but simply told, that this policy was the correct one because of A, B or C.
    But there's no need to be so naive for the future.

    I think nobody in europe has to worry about russia and brazil
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    Post  flamming_python on Tue Aug 25, 2020 8:08 pm

    Aristide wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:
    Aristide wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:And the relevance of bronze-age societies in Europe to the decline of modern-day Western society is...?

    1. There is no decline. You take some crazy shig communist bullshit of a super small but loud group amd take that as western society? Same shit is in russia or China. Its the normal way of leftist, communist thinking. It always gets mlre and more crazy.

    I was referring to the title of the thread.

    Although what you have to understand that this super small but loud group (that in fact has nothing to do with communist theory), has the support of the political establishment and is being propogated internally and abroad, much in the manner of state religions in past times.

    As for decline, basically any ideology has to conform to the realities of material conditions. The more it deviates, the more tensions and contradictions it will result in. I believe Western Europe is basically on that path.
    The other side of decline is the economic one. Can European economies continue their expansion in the face of the rising economic presence of China, of the growth of smaller but also significant industrial economies as the Indian, Russian and Brazilian ones - who all have their own ruling classes interested in expanding their corporations and investments abroad and in competition with the prevailing Western ones? Can European economies continue internal growth, with the help of immigration, when such immigration introduced into a liberal ideological and economic order is leading to rising discontent of the native population?

    Well these are all big questions.

    2. The absolute big majority in the west, as well as in the east is perfectly normal. Work hard, think normal and joke about this leftist bullshit.

    And soon you won't even be allowed to joke about it, unless the current order of things change.

    3. The relevanve of bronze age european socities is exactly that. The PC morons want tell you evry mud hut in mumbo jumbo land is a society and at same time claim our ancestors were living in caves, which is just bullshit. They want feel us bad for colonialism ect. Why should i feel bad for colonialism? When the only thing a people invented in 40.000 years is a spear, they deserve to be crushed and exploited. I feel not bad for anything. I am damn proud for evry single square meter France got hold on.

    Well if you base your understanding of life on national ego and pride you will eventually end up disillusioned.
    The world doesn't work this way. When you take away all idealisms you are left with the competition of different economic forces around the world, that can justify themselves with ideologies, religions, whatever. Colonialism was a natural part of this competition and anyone with enough power would have done it at the time. It deserves condemnation as it led to absolutely inhuman acts and conditions. One should recognize this, it's not about feeling 'shame', the vast majority of Frenchmen were never asked what policy they want their country to follow but simply told, that this policy was the correct one because of A, B or C.
    But there's no need to be so naive for the future.

    I think nobody in europe has to worry about russia and brazil

    You'll have to worry about Brazil if you want to compete for exports to South America at the very least

    And you'll have to worry about Russian products in the European markets outside the EU, in the Middle East, Africa and Asia
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    Post  kvs on Wed Aug 26, 2020 7:37 pm



    Another video on the same study that finds significant correlations between virtue signalers and psychopaths.

    Note the trend to fake attacks for political gains. Navalny?

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    Post  Sujoy on Wed Aug 26, 2020 7:53 pm

    MIT study on the possible use of nuclear weapons against Iran suggests that a clear majority of Americans approve of using nuclear weapons first in order to protect U.S troops stationed in the Gulf.

    https://www.mitpressjournals.org/doi/pdf/10.1162/ISEC_a_00284
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    Post  kvs on Wed Aug 26, 2020 7:58 pm

    Sujoy wrote:MIT study on the possible use of nuclear weapons against Iran suggests that a clear majority of Americans approve of using nuclear weapons first in order to protect U.S troops stationed in the Gulf.

    https://www.mitpressjournals.org/doi/pdf/10.1162/ISEC_a_00284

    It never crosses the minds of these f*cking crusaders that those troops are not on US soil and have no business being there in the first place.
    This is like Hitler crying that his invading forces on the Eastern front are being attacked and need to be defended at all costs.

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    Post  kvs on Wed Aug 26, 2020 9:13 pm

    https://twitter.com/PrisonPlanet

    The professional liars in the western fake stream media are not only pissing on Russia, they are now fully spreading their "craft" to
    the west itself.

    There must be a moral to this story.

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    Post  Werewolf on Wed Aug 26, 2020 11:21 pm

    kvs wrote:https://twitter.com/PrisonPlanet

    The professional liars in the western fake stream media are not only pissing on Russia, they are now fully spreading their "craft" to
    the west itself.  

    There must be a moral to this story.


    They worked hard to get the title "Dumbfuckistan".

    I didn't even know that it was possible to be worse than North Korea, but they managed that.
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    Post  andalusia on Fri Aug 28, 2020 10:33 am

    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:Pharoahs weren't black but they were not white either. They belonged to the Caucasian race (phenotypical one) but another branch, like Egyptians today.

    THey could have been slightly darker. Some Egyptians today are arabized Greeks and Romans.

    I have a passing interest in this subject but when British archaeologists Howard Carter and Lord Carnarvon become the first souls to enter King Tutankhamen’s tomb in more than 3,000 years. Tutankhamen’s sealed burial chambers were miraculously intact, and inside was a collection of several thousand priceless objects, including a gold coffin containing the mummy of the teenage king.

    King Tut's tomb had lain nearly undisturbed for over 3,000 years. Carter and Carnarvon found this bust of King Tut.  I don't think anybody with an agenda placed this bust of him in his tomb during the three millennium he was buried to prove a point.  I assume this is how he looked; I trust the ancients before I believe modern reconstructions.

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    In my opinion he looks like a man from East Africa namely Ethiopia, Eritrea or Somalia.


    https://mymodernmet.com/king-tuts-tomb-discovery-photos/

    Ancient Egypt could have had a larger African population than is currently understood.  Populations shifts have happened throughout history before.  The American South had a larger Native American population before being displaced by whites and blacks.  The Carribean islands was populated by Arawak and Carib Indians before  being greatly reduced by disease and the descendants of African slaves and whites.

    The same process is happening currently in California with White Americans being replaced by the growing population of Hispanics and Asians.  Moreover, many whites have left California for other states which is reducing the white population even more.  

    Again this is all just a theory since I am not an expert on this subject.
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    Post  kvs on Fri Aug 28, 2020 3:58 pm

    Even today Egypt is not Caucasian white. Why is it so "controversial" that Egyptians were not white Europeans? By the same
    token they were not pure black either. And black pharaohs are a modern PC concoction. So we have the attempt to rob the
    history of non-white and non-black Egyptians and give it over to basically American blacks and not even Africans.

    Those tomb artifacts clearly do not have pure black features. In fact, aside from the odd skull shape, their faces look incredibly
    similar to modern Egyptians. Which tells me that modern Egyptians are not Arabic squatters or similar, they are indigenous.




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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg on Fri Aug 28, 2020 4:16 pm

    Of course. As I said, ancient Egyptians could have been even darker than Egyptians today as some of modern day Egyptians are arabized Greeks.

    I have actually never seen any serious scientist trying to prove that ancient Egyptians were black. It's the political activists with limited scientific knowledge who pedle this. Same with Nazis "proving" that ancient Greeks were phenotypically Nordic.

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    Post  miketheterrible on Fri Aug 28, 2020 4:37 pm

    Various tribes exist through Africa that aren't what we call "Black". Blacks in America will call themselves Black but they are only a certain subgroup of Black from Sub Sahara Africa. Majority of Africa on the cost and further North share a lot of similarities in facial structure to that of Caucasians/Middle Eastern People.

    Example is go to somewhere like Sierra Leone. You will find various types of Blacks there. Not exactly related either. Just different groups.

    Egypt was northern Africa. But if we are to believe what ancient Indian texts say, a huge portion of India's empires of the old extended to around these areas anyway. Example is if you look at Ethiopians and Eritreans, they share very similar facial features of that of Southern Indians. There is no coincidence either. Most of these people are related to the regions and the Indians are classified under (the old educated structures at least) Caucasians to an extent. But no, I am not saying all Africans are of same decent. I am saying certain areas of Africa are. Those are the ones on the eastern cost areas, specifically North more so than South.

    This used to be taught in school here. But of course this shit isn't being taught much as KVS said simply because the BLM marxists are trying to rewrite world history that fits in their narrative. They just love to believe in some kind of Wakanda that never existed and neither did majority of these people's heritage have much of a civilization. So they try to steal others in Africa whom had a rich history of civilization (maybe some of the birthplace of the worlds civilization).

    Hell, recently Africans were trying to claim that Cossacks (which my family falls under) were ethnically African/Black.

    So people in the west are retarded.

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    Post  flamming_python on Fri Aug 28, 2020 4:55 pm

    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:Of course. As I said, ancient Egyptians could have been even darker than Egyptians today as some of modern day Egyptians are arabized Greeks.

    I have actually never seen any serious scientist trying to prove that ancient Egyptians were black. It's the political activists with limited scientific knowledge who pedle this. Same with Nazis "proving" that ancient Greeks were phenotypically Nordic.

    Egyptians weren't black but Nubians certainly were, who existed around the same time and took onboard much of the culture and architecture, technology of the Egyptians

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