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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Wed Jun 03, 2020 9:11 pm

    US elites claiming Russia is behind the protests... lol1

    https://twitter.com/RaniaKhalek/status/1268240749662998528
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    Post  PapaDragon on Wed Jun 03, 2020 9:33 pm

    GarryB wrote:
    Hilary Clinton was supposed to rule today, not Trump
    Didn't Hilary once say America will lie and cheat and steal to defeat the "Bad Guys"... in this case the Republicans are the Bad guys and Hilarys' team are the good guys... are always the good guys.... you can do terrible things when you are a good guy... because it is for the greater good.

    Clintons riled up all these liberal mobs in the hope to ''rectify'' election results and bring Hilary to her ''rightful'' position which was promised to her as her birthright

    Once the natural order was restored in the form of Hilary presidency those mobs were expected to disperse and disappear

    But the mobs very quickly forgot the reason they were summoned and started demanding socialism and changes in racial structure of the society

    Still Clinton cartel decided to go with making lemonade when life gives them lemons and opted to double down on color revolution in the hopes of getting Hilary in power via Biden as a proxy and public face and Hilary as gray cardinal in the White House

    As for demands for changes in political, societal and financial aspects of American nation on which these mobs insist they expect mobs to simply forget about them after Biden and Clintons are in power and I think that mobs will do exactly that (intelligence is not defining feature of a mob)



    Firebird wrote:Lets hope Russia sends a delegation over to Uncle Sham's place. Headed by Zhiranovsky and Rogozin. Handing out blini to the rioters...

    It would be fun but let's be real here, anyone without diplomatic immunity trying that would quickly win a very long holiday in Florence, Colorado Cool


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    Post  GarryB on Thu Jun 04, 2020 7:35 am

    magnumcromagnon wrote:The National Guard: Hard at Work or Hardly Working?

    Decline of the western society - Page 17 EZjgu9PUYAAhYFX?format=jpg&name=medium

    Anybody else thinking that guy needs to steal a bigger backpack?

    Lets hope Russia sends a delegation over to Uncle Sham's place. Headed by Zhiranovsky and Rogozin. Handing out blini to the rioters.
    I wonder what Bathhouse Barry Obummer would say?

    Don't forget the freedom cookies....


    It would be fun but let's be real here, anyone without diplomatic immunity trying that would quickly win a very long holiday in Florence, Colorado

    Wouldn't it be fun if you could track down a US citizen that looked like Putin... get his name changed and start promising some things Americans want... and when he is elected to start making those things happen... like a real Putin would...

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    Post  par far on Thu Jun 04, 2020 6:52 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:US elites claiming Russia is behind the protests... lol1

    https://twitter.com/RaniaKhalek/status/1268240749662998528


    Of course the US elites are going to blame Russia, the US elites(all western elites) always blame others for their problems and mistakes.

    This whole looting and rioting comes down to:

    You import the 3rd world, you become the 3rd world and that is what is happening in the US right. All western countries are importing the 3rd world, so they will more than likely become 3rd world.


    The blacks always play the race card(a black person was killed but does that allow the blacks to use the race card to loot and riot?). The blacks for the most part are lazy and want stuff for free, they get this by playing the race card and if they don't get what they want by playing the race card, they loot.

    India, China and other countries were also colonies of various Empires, just as Africa was but look at where these countries are now(these countries are educated, producing thousands of engineers, doctors and other professions, they have highly functioning societies, these countries will become the leading economies in the next few decades) and where Africa is(crime, uneducated and no sense of society).

    Look where Russia was after the collapse of USSR(Russia was being looted by the western elites, there wide spread chaos, criminals had a free hand to do whatever they wanted) and look at Russia now(a highly educated country, a military power that can protect its interests anywhere in the world, a highly organized and functioning society, there are laws, there is new infrastructure being build, the state has control over its resources) and compare this to Africa.

    These countries worked hard to be where they are and Africans don't really work hard.
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    Post  Hole on Thu Jun 04, 2020 9:12 pm

    You mean muricans and europeans don´t work hard, that´s why they "imported" african slaves for centuries.
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    Post  JohninMK on Thu Jun 04, 2020 11:09 pm

    I attach the video at the link in utter disbelief at what I am seeing.

    https://twitter.com/imchaber24/status/1268569479895748609
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    Post  GarryB on Fri Jun 05, 2020 8:23 am

    This can't be new... this is normal behaviour... the new is that body cams are catching footage of it now... amazing and disgusting.


    They should play that the next time a politician runs for election saying they will hire more police.

    The sad thing is that police are people too and there are a lot more good ones than bad ones...

    This whole looting and rioting comes down to:

    What it really comes down to is that you import an entire group of people based on their skin colour and use them as working stock and treat them as second class citizens and treat them like cattle that can be shot or suffocated when they become inconvenient then of course rioting and looting are going to be normal until you fix your shit and start treating them with some respect of them and their different culture.

    In Fiji the British colonisers had problems because the damn natives would bugger off home during the day for a sleep and a long lunch, so they imported a few million Indians from India to do the work for them. The result is that when the British left they asked the Indian workers if they wanted to stay in lovely warm comfortable Fiji, or be sent home to India. (British citizenship was not offered BTW) and they decided enmass to stay in Fiji and they have all the important jobs in government and own a lot of businesses and have a lot of control which the native Fijians resent. A few decades ago an India was elected leader of Fiji and there was a military coup because more than 90% of the military are Fijians and all the Fijian Chiefs were not happy with an Indian leader.

    Britain caused similar problems every where they went, but are never held accountable for that.

    That is why I smile at Brits complaining about London not being a British city any more... it is the world you have created for yourself... enjoy.
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    Post  jhelb on Fri Jun 05, 2020 10:09 am

    GarryB wrote:A few decades ago an India was elected leader of Fiji and there was a military coup because more than 90% of the military are Fijians and all the Fijian Chiefs were not happy with an Indian leader.
    What I hold against Britain is that they waged war against Russia. But that aside within their own country values like integrity, democracy are practiced and held in high regard.

    Did you see this recent video of the Australian PM moving off from a lawn simply because the home owner wanted him to

    https://twitter.com/mhar4/status/1268385294031523841?s=20

    Let some Indians, Africans say the same thing to their Prime Minister. They will be shot dead the next day.

    Countries like Australia, NZ, Canada are in orders of magnitude more civilized than thrird world states like India and Africa.
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    Post  JohninMK on Fri Jun 05, 2020 1:19 pm

    jhelb wrote:
    What I hold against Britain is that they waged war against Russia. But that aside within their own country values like integrity, democracy are practiced and held in high regard.

    Did you see this recent video of the Australian PM moving off from a lawn simply because the home owner wanted him to

    https://twitter.com/mhar4/status/1268385294031523841?s=20

    Let some Indians, Africans say the same thing to their Prime Minister. They will be shot dead the next day.

    Countries like Australia, NZ, Canada are in orders of magnitude more civilized than thrird world states like India and Africa.

    When did we wage war with Russia?

    The Aussie PM didn't move off the lawn, he was on the steps/pallets, he asked the press to move off it as it was newly laid, and looked it!

    Countries around the World that are still run by a cadre that has the standards left by the Europeans during the colonial era tend to be the ones you describe. Those that have reverted to their pre-colonial mode, often tribal, have quite different standards which are clearly in their eyes, but probably not ours, equally valid.

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    Post  jhelb on Fri Jun 05, 2020 2:17 pm

    JohninMK wrote:When did we wage war with Russia?
    John, are you serious. Britain fought against Russia from 1807-1812. During the Cold War Britain actively supported anti Russian forces in Afghanistan
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/afghanistan/8215187/National-Archives-Britain-agreed-secret-deal-to-back-Mujahideen.html

    JohninMK wrote:Countries around the World that are still run by a cadre that has the standards left by the Europeans during the colonial era tend to be the ones you describe.
    That's correct. Standards like integrity, fair play, rule of law within the boundaries of their own country - Australia, Canada, NZ, EU

    JohninMK wrote:Those that have reverted to their pre-colonial mode, often tribal, have quite different standards which are clearly in their eyes, but probably not ours, equally valid.
     
    And that's what I said as well. Australia, NZ, Canada are examples of civilized states. Whereas African countries, Mexico, India are examples of uncivilized, tribal states.

    You can question, oppose even abuse your heads of state in Australia, NZ, Canada, EU but trying doing the same in those failed asian and african countries, you'll get a tree and a rope.

    It's because of their disgusting tribalism that even in your country - UK, locals dislike these low life Indians, Pakistanis and Blacks migrants. Most in any case illegals.
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    Post  JohninMK on Fri Jun 05, 2020 3:34 pm

    jhelb wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:When did we wage war with Russia?
    John, are you serious. Britain fought against Russia from 1807-1812. During the Cold War Britain actively supported anti Russian forces in Afghanistan

    It's because of their disgusting tribalism that even in your country - UK, locals dislike these low life Indians, Pakistanis and Blacks migrants. Most in any case illegals.

    Sorry, the times of the Napoleonic Wars are not my strong point Smile

    I dispute your summary of our status and attitudes regarding races. First, the vast majority of migrants are legal. Second, the vast majority are accepted by us 'locals' as you put it. Third, they have a similar proportion of 'low lifes' as does the 'locals'. Forth, the 'locals' now include the vast majority of migrants.

    There are clearly aspects of their culture that grate but we get along in the main. There are inevitably groups that would rather argue and fight.

    Our main problem was 'multiculturalism' the altar of which it was very popular to pray to for many years. This, allowing migrants to in effect set up their own society in Britain outside mainsteam Britishness, was a big mistake. All should have been made to at least speak English before they received any state benefits. Like most of Europe. This is perhaps one of the reasons why so many want to come here.
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    Post  jhelb on Fri Jun 05, 2020 5:20 pm

    JohninMK wrote:Sorry, the times of the Napoleonic Wars are not my strong point Smile
    Was hoping Afghanistan would ring a bell Smile

    JohninMK wrote:I dispute your summary of our status and attitudes regarding races. First, the vast majority of migrants are legal. Second, the vast majority are accepted by us 'locals' as you put it. Third, they have a similar proportion of 'low lifes' as does the 'locals'. Forth, the 'locals' now include the vast majority of migrants.
    BREXIT happened because White Brits were sick and tired of all the immigration of Pakis, Blacks and every other third world citizen. EU was on the verge of shifting millions of these dark skinned people into Britain.
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    Post  Sujoy on Fri Jun 05, 2020 6:41 pm

    Given that the inherently racist U.S government will not change its racist ways, not sure why Blacks, Latinos do not secede from the US and create their own country?
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    Post  Tingsay on Fri Jun 05, 2020 9:49 pm

    These riots are funny stupid.
    It was about the death of George Floyd and Police Brutality for 2 fucking days! Then it's all about politics from here on Laughing lol1

    Black Lives Matter burning and looting anything not knowing whether they black-owned businesses or de whyte man's.
    "I gots Me some nuu Pair of Jordans, a 70" Flat Screen TV and a few bottles of Beer. Thanks George Floyd, if it wasn't for you I would not have any of these. Lez keep on sticking it to the whyte man brotha!"

    Racist whites becoming more racist with "Martin Looter King" jokes, prolly gonna vote for trump even harder. Blacks being mostly in the moral side here but gets too emotional they start shooting themselves on the foot with their reinforcement of the thug stereotype.

    Then you got the Dems and Republicans in their never ending double standards and blame game.

    Don't know whether to laugh or cry.

    But this is Murica! Who am i kidding might as well grab the Popcorn.  lol1
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    Post  nomadski on Fri Jun 05, 2020 10:04 pm

    Agree. The working class in America, needs it's own political party. Limited by membership to working people, without wealth or being business owner or land owners. Strict party membership rules. They need to vote them into power. Take power away from land owners and business owners. Then carry out agricultural labour and industrial labour reforms  . And carry out programmes for decent jobs and education and  set up national health care plans . And equal opportunity employment across entire economy. Then black man or white man, needs not to forge money to buy goods. Be arrested. Be choked to death.
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    Post  JohninMK on Fri Jun 05, 2020 11:53 pm

    jhelb wrote:
    BREXIT happened because White Brits were sick and tired of all the immigration of Pakis, Blacks and every other third world citizen. EU was on the verge of shifting millions of these dark skinned people into Britain.
    As a "White Brit" I am probably in a good position to correct your comment. No, wrong groups of immigrants.

    Although it doesn't seem to be used much we have the power to stop any immigrants from outside the EU and we could, if we wanted, match numbers to facilities, schools, hospitals etc. The problem immigrants, that were a prime cause of Brexit, were the unrestricted numbers from the EU, especially those from eastern Europe, that were causing serious shortages in all essential services with the UK unable to slow let alone stop the flow. It sometimes seemed that Poles were coming to the UK so the Ukrainians could move into Poland.

    By "dark skinned people" I assume you mean the flood that came in from Turkey. This group played no part in the vote, the attempt by the EU to move them came too late to have an impact. Also we have a great big moat, the Channel.
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    Post  par far on Sat Jun 06, 2020 7:02 am

    I think western countries are being destroyed on purpose. The millions of immigrants to Europe and all these black protests are being done on purpose.

    The western elites know that the wealth is slowly moving towards East and they are scared that people in the western will notice this. When they notice that a small amount of people control so much of the wealth in western countries and they have lost most their jobs permanently, the western elites will be in trouble.

    All this is being done to divide the population in western countries, the end result is a police state that controls everything, where most of the population has just enough to get by.
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    Post  par far on Sat Jun 06, 2020 7:06 am

    JohninMK wrote:
    jhelb wrote:
    BREXIT happened because White Brits were sick and tired of all the immigration of Pakis, Blacks and every other third world citizen. EU was on the verge of shifting millions of these dark skinned people into Britain.
    As a "White Brit" I am probably in a good position to correct your comment. No, wrong groups of immigrants.

    Although it doesn't seem to be used much we have the power to stop any immigrants from outside the EU and we could, if we wanted, match numbers to facilities, schools, hospitals etc. The problem immigrants, that were a prime cause of Brexit, were the unrestricted numbers from the EU, especially those from eastern Europe, that were causing serious shortages in all essential services with the UK unable to slow let alone stop the flow. It sometimes seemed that Poles were coming to the UK so the Ukrainians could move into Poland.

    By "dark skinned people" I assume you mean the flood that came in from Turkey. This group played no part in the vote, the attempt by the EU to move them came too late to have an impact. Also we have a great big moat, the Channel.


    I read a lot about Poles moving to UK and Ukrainians coming to Poland but I was confused as to why they are doing. Well I am still confused, why are they doing this?
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    Post  GarryB on Sat Jun 06, 2020 10:23 am

    What I hold against Britain is that they waged war against Russia. But that aside within their own country values like integrity, democracy are practiced and held in high regard.

    The facade is attractive and nice in appearance... you could say the same for the US... if they did what they said and meant what they said there would be a lot fewer people who hated their guts.

    They don't have democracy either... they are like the US and New Zealand and Australia... there are two main parties and when everyone is fed up with both of them and they poll about the same and therefore can't declare outright wins they drop their pants for the minor parties to get enough seats to rule... that is all they care about and the much vaunted democracy and freedom in the west is a mere sham... once they are in they are not held to account by anyone and they can do as they please which they normally do until election time looms again and then they try to paint themselves as solid and reliable for those in power and for those in opposition it is time for a change...

    Western political parties are bought by big business... both sides... no point in gambling...

    Democracy is corruption... it is a way of making anyone able to become a politician and therefore anyone able to be bribed and be set up for life for doing very little, while the workers that made those companies big and rich and powerful get minimum wage and their rights chipped away at every opportunity.

    Let some Indians, Africans say the same thing to their Prime Minister. They will be shot dead the next day.

    What makes you think that guy wont be. Besides... who goes out into the suburbs to have press conferences in the middle of a pandemic... what an idiot.... he isn't their smartest.... but looking at American and British and French and German and Kiwi equivalents it seems to be a race to the bottom in terms of intelligence.

    Countries like Australia, NZ, Canada are in orders of magnitude more civilized than thrird world states like India and Africa.

    It is all show. Have a Pandemic and see three Aussie women fighting in a supermarket over toilet paper...

    When did we wage war with Russia?

    Crimea springs to mind... and of course helping the losing side in a civil war never helps... and obviously ever since WWII things have not been friendly at all.

    Countries around the World that are still run by a cadre that has the standards left by the Europeans during the colonial era tend to be the ones you describe. Those that have reverted to their pre-colonial mode, often tribal, have quite different standards which are clearly in their eyes, but probably not ours, equally valid.

    You can say the west has higher standards but economic blockades that cause famines and of course bombing and killing people to steal their resources are their go to choices over diplomacy and peace.

    They talk the talk but don't walk the walk.

    I find it particularly amusing when things like the Katyn massacre are mentioned... Poland wasn't an ally... Stalin offered agreements that were rejected... the portion of Poland seized by the Soviet Union was part of Russia before Poland stole it during the period after WWI during the Russian civil war. The Americans were happy to kill Japanese officers and soldiers if they weren't able to take prisoners.

    And regarding the misery of eastern europe under the yoke of the evil Russians for 50 years or whatever it was... couple of point... the Soviet Union does not mean Russia, and the borders were signed off by Britain and France and the US at Yalta in 1944, so it was no surprise to the west what was likely to happen.

    If the west really cared about Eastern Europe and democracy they could have moved d day up to 1942... they would have suffered a lot more losses than they did and would have borne the brunt of a lot more combat against German soldiers instead of bombing their wives and children like they did, but then they could have said they wont the war...

    Instead they preferred to let Germany and the Soviet Union fight it out, which I perfectly understand... but imagine the western history books describing Stalin if he did that... imagine if bright shining centre of the universe europe had put up more than just a token fight against germany and hitler decided to invade the UK instead of invading the Soviet Union and Stalin had just waited till both sides had worn each other out and then rush in at the last moment to take the spoils...

    That's correct. Standards like integrity, fair play, rule of law within the boundaries of their own country - Australia, Canada, NZ, EU

    Yes, but we use those standards to describe our enemies and rivals as inferior... we don't hold ourselves to those standards...


    You can question, oppose even abuse your heads of state in Australia, NZ, Canada, EU but trying doing the same in those failed asian and african countries, you'll get a tree and a rope.

    Do you honestly think there a correlation between respect for leadership and authority and culture and civilisation standards?

    It's because of their disgusting tribalism that even in your country - UK, locals dislike these low life Indians, Pakistanis and Blacks migrants. Most in any case illegals.

    Mostly they hate them because they are different and they hate anything different that they don't understand... why you think that is better I don't know.

    Our main problem was 'multiculturalism' the altar of which it was very popular to pray to for many years. This, allowing migrants to in effect set up their own society in Britain outside mainsteam Britishness, was a big mistake. All should have been made to at least speak English before they received any state benefits. Like most of Europe. This is perhaps one of the reasons why so many want to come here.

    Sorry... this is a touchy subject but a criticism often directed at Jews is that they stick together and don't mix and don't learn local customers or adopt local rules etc etc.

    Here in New Zealand especially during the gold rushes we had as many chinese immigrants as we did whites from around the world.... but there was never a scottish tax or an irish tax... but there was a chinese tax.

    Then you got the Dems and Republicans in their never ending double standards and blame game.

    They really don't want or care about solutions... they just want some bad things they can blame on the other side...

    BREXIT happened because White Brits were sick and tired of all the immigration of Pakis, Blacks and every other third world citizen. EU was on the verge of shifting millions of these dark skinned people into Britain.

    Brexit seemed to me to be more about people in Britain being told what to do by appointed people in Brussels who were not elected and never consulted the people of Britain about what they wanted or needed. I would have thought reform of the EU system where there is some communication with the people and consultation with the people would have been a better solution for the UK rather than just cutting yourself off from countries you politically and economically aligned yourself with for the last 40 odd years.

    Migration was only a part of things.
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    Post  GarryB on Sat Jun 06, 2020 11:19 am

    This is your civilised west... a Youtube channel that is not banned but shows a computer game where the first level is murdering white civilians in airport in the Russian capital city in cold blood...



    Been up for a month and after 11 comments only one comment about killing unarmed people... no ban no censorship because these are only Russians getting murdered... and of course later police and government forces responding to a terrorist attack where you are the terrorist...

    Imagine the butt hurt if this was a Russian game set in London airport or an airport in New York...
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    Post  JohninMK on Sat Jun 06, 2020 11:24 am

    GarryB wrote:

    Crimea springs to mind... and of course helping the losing side in a civil war never helps... and obviously ever since WWII things have not been friendly at all.



    Sorry I forgot, somehow I got into the mindframe that Crimea was Ukrainian Laughing

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    Brexit seemed to me to be more about people in Britain being told what to do by appointed people in Brussels who were not elected and never consulted the people of Britain about what they wanted or needed. I would have thought reform of the EU system where there is some communication with the people and consultation with the people would have been a better solution for the UK rather than just cutting yourself off from countries you politically and economically aligned yourself with for the last 40 odd years.

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    Overbearing Brussels was certainly a major factor, I was responding on migration. A better deal for the UK or even some change in the way the EU works were negociated and floated respectively but the EU were not interested. If Cameron had got his better deal, which was nothing really, we would still be in. The EU is like a religious cult and it will be the way it is all the way to the cliff edge.
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    Post  JohninMK on Sat Jun 06, 2020 11:27 am

    GarryB wrote:

    Imagine the butt hurt if this was a Russian game set in London airport or an airport in New York...

    Or a lot more realistic if it was white terrorists shooting a party of blacks in a random US airport. Think that would have lasted milliseconds.
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    Post  jhelb on Sat Jun 06, 2020 12:26 pm

    JohninMK wrote:The problem immigrants, that were a prime cause of Brexit, were the unrestricted numbers from the EU, especially those from eastern Europe, that were causing serious shortages in all essential services with the UK unable to slow let alone stop the flow. It sometimes seemed that Poles were coming to the UK so the Ukrainians could move into Poland.
    The campaigns conducted by BoJo or UKIP clearly showcased the hordes of African, Asian migrants stranded in Germany, Eastern Europe who were trying to enter UK. Popular activists like Tommy Robinson also said the same thing.

    JohninMK wrote:By "dark skinned people" I assume you mean the flood that came in from Turkey. This group played no part in the vote, the attempt by the EU to move them came too late to have an impact. Also we have a great big moat, the Channel.
    I was referring to the Paki and black migrants who entered Germany, Serbia, other parts of Europe.


    GarryB wrote:What makes you think that guy wont be.
    The media would have reported by now that the guy was found dead. Besides, when was the last time a private citizen in NZ, Canada or Australia was beaten up, shot dead for challenging authorities in a manner similar to this Aussie guy.
     
    GarryB wrote:It is all show. Have a Pandemic and see three Aussie women fighting in a supermarket over toilet paper...
    Asian, Africans don't even need excuses like a pandemic to fight against one another. Truth is most colored people the world over are killed by their own black, brown folks and not by Whites.

    GarryB wrote:Yes, but we use those standards to describe our enemies and rivals as inferior... we don't hold ourselves to those standards...
    And yet these colored people make a beeline for NZ, Australia, Canada, US. Clearly they realize that the political, business environment is much better in the West than it is in their third world countries. On the other hand hardly any White people migrate to third world asian, african countries.

    Leave alone a major metropolis like Moscow, my Dad comes from [a suburb of] Minsk and even in Minsk you see hordes of these colored people from asia and africa. Same situation in Kiev as well.
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    Post  GarryB on Sat Jun 06, 2020 12:31 pm

    Remap the character skins so the terrorists are American or British soldiers and the victims are jewish or black or gay and the response would be interesting to contrast...

    The media would have reported by now that the guy was found dead. Besides, when was the last time a private citizen in NZ, Canada or Australia was beaten up, shot dead for challenging authorities in a manner similar to this Aussie guy.

    The media are never on the side of the people...

    Asian, Africans don't even need excuses like a pandemic to fight against one another. Truth is most colored people the world over are killed by their own black, brown folks and not by Whites.

    White countries have had much larger scale conflicts... in fact neither world war actually directly was started by or was fought exclusively by blacks... Asians had a part but not blacks...


    Leave alone a major metropolis like Moscow, my Dad comes from [a suburb of] Minsk and even in Minsk you see hordes of these colored people from asia and africa. Same situation in Kiev as well.

    Even the language is racist... in "english" hordes suggests people of colour...
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    Post  jhelb on Sat Jun 06, 2020 12:37 pm

    GarryB wrote:Even the language is racist... in "english" hordes suggests people of colour...
    No hordes simply means a large group of people. Nothing racist.
    https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/horde

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