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    Post  miketheterrible on Thu Mar 12, 2020 2:38 pm

    I have no idea how their marketing crap with an apple logo with a bite in it, using a UNIX based OS that is extremely limited, did so well?

    Only software I could think of that is decent is the Video editor.
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    Post  kvs on Thu Mar 12, 2020 9:55 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:I have no idea how their marketing crap with an apple logo with a bite in it, using a UNIX based OS that is extremely limited, did so well?

    Only software I could think of that is decent is the Video editor.

    They created the mystique that Apple computers were plug and play on a whole higher level than MS-based PCs. Allegedly Apple computers did not
    require users to mess around with drivers and instability like regular PCs. So they appealed to all the yuppies and others with the money to throw at
    Apple's overpriced junk.

    You are right, the value of an Apple computer to a PC is never off by a significant amount. Back in 1984 they did the right thing by choosing
    the Motorola 68000 compared to the garbage Intel was peddling at that time. But by 1990 that advantage was gone. They also did the
    right thing by moving eventually to a FreeBSD based OS, but that was too little, too late.

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    Post  GarryB on Fri Mar 13, 2020 3:48 am

    In 1988 I was using an Amiga 500 computer with a motorola chip and it was better than any of the 286 or 386 or 486 alternatives for about the next five years.

    What the Amiga lacked was a hard drive, but they did have one... I never saw one in the shop I used to frequent.

    The floppy disks weren't terrible, the OS for the Amiga came on two disks basically, which were 880K capacity double density double sided disks, not the 720K DD DS IBM disks, or the 1.44MB high density double sided disks.

    The main problem was the IBMs kept getting upgrades and improvements with new chips and new mother boards while the hardware on the Amigas... like the hardware on the Apples is largely fixed... so like a laptop every 5 years you threw out your old computer and bought a new one.

    I bought my first PC in 1997 and I still use it... new CPU and motherboard, new power supply, new RAM and new HDD so essentially it is a new computer... it started with standard on board graphics... something like 2MB, but I then upgraded it with two Voodoo 2 cards linked together which then worked great for the next half decade or so... the point is that there was enormous growth potential but you had to know what you were doing.
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    Post  kvs on Sat Mar 14, 2020 7:50 pm

    GarryB wrote:In 1988 I was using an Amiga 500 computer with a motorola chip and it was better than any of the 286 or 386 or 486 alternatives for about the next five years.

    What the Amiga lacked was a hard drive, but they did have one... I never saw one in the shop I used to frequent.

    The floppy disks weren't terrible, the OS for the Amiga came on two disks basically, which were 880K capacity double density double sided disks, not the 720K DD DS IBM disks, or the 1.44MB high density double sided disks.

    The main problem was the IBMs kept getting upgrades and improvements with new chips and new mother boards while the hardware on the Amigas... like the hardware on the Apples is largely fixed... so like a laptop every 5 years you threw out your old computer and bought a new one.

    I bought my first PC in 1997 and I still use it... new CPU and motherboard, new power supply, new RAM and new HDD so essentially it is a new computer... it started with standard on board graphics... something like 2MB, but I then upgraded it with two Voodoo 2 cards linked together which then worked great for the next half decade or so... the point is that there was enormous growth potential but you had to know what you were doing.

    IBM messed up the PC market for the 1980s and well into the 1990s. The deliberately chose the crappiest hardware and software options for
    their first PC and subsequent XT and AT offerings. IBM made both Microsoft and Intel into the giants that have controlled the PC market for the last
    30+ years.

    Better options were available in the 1980s for IBM to truly launch the PC revolution:

    1) Superior CPUs like the 68000 and RISC variants from National Semiconductor and AMD. Instead IBM chose the crappy version
    of the crappy 8086, the 8088. This POS and the 640 Kb RAM limit became a yoke around everyone's neck for years. The 80386
    finally broke the segmentation barrier and had an MMU that could allow software to use lots of RAM properly. The 680XX variants
    always had a linear address space and would never have given us the 640 Kb limit. Only the physical RAM on the motherboard
    would matter. If Motorola was chosen instead of Intel, we would have had all of the Intel innovations including super-scalar
    (multi-pipeline) variants and so on. But since the herd was herded with Intel shite Motorola withered away and never got the
    cash flow to advance.

    2) Superior OS: a reasonable Unix variant would have given us a long lasting, flexible OS that could be upgraded easily to GUI.
    In fact, IBM could have leveraged Xerox PARC innovations which what Apple did with the Macintosh in 1984. So the point and
    click (mouse) GUI would have been there from the beginning.

    But IBM's geriatric management didn't even understand the future of PCs. It was still thinking that big iron servers were
    the center of creation. Then around 1990 IBM tried to pull the proprietary card with the PS/2 computers and OS/2.
    It flopped because they were a day late and dollar short. They should have released the PS/2 originally. Instead,
    they tried to appeal to consumers with the POS PC Jr. PS/2 prices were insane.

    The Amiga would have had a future if MicroSh*t was not a monopoly that dominated the market. Not everybody was
    into graphics and music, in fact most of the market was business apps during the 1980s and 1990s. If the Amiga had
    all the software that MS boxes did, it would have lasted. The history of the PC demonstrates that there is no optimization
    of product characteristics in the "free market". Instead you have monopolies and oligopolies feeding you second rate
    crap.

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    Post  GarryB on Sun Mar 15, 2020 8:43 am

    We have seen a few videos from men complaining about femenism... how about a rational womans view... do they even exist?

    Yes, of course they do:

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    Post  kvs on Tue Mar 17, 2020 6:27 am



    Nice take down of the western hypocrisy exposed by the corona virus pandemic. Hilarious how western fake stream media
    spins Chinese quarantine and travel restriction measures as some gross human rights abuse, but the desperate measures
    in Italy which are basically the same (hard quarantine) are treated as sacrifice to save Europe.

    Then we have the exposure of western "humanitarianism" for a total fraud as supposedly rich countries with well paid for
    health care systems (Sweden and Italy for example) who are leaving people to deal with the infection by themselves in
    their own homes. If they die, then too bad. All of the talk about extensive health care coverage evapourates super fast
    when Sweden cannot even afford to treat 700 infected and tells those under 40 to stay at home and recover. Don't
    pretend you have magical health care systems when they fail at 700 patients.

    In Italy, they just leave dead bodies together with the family in house arrest quarantine.

    Compare to the much maligned China where such primitive policies were never applied and people get compensated for
    being put in quarantine. In the USA, they charge quarantined people $4000 for the privilege.

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    Post  kvs on Tue Mar 17, 2020 6:39 am

    GarryB wrote:We have seen a few videos from men complaining about femenism... how about a rational womans view... do they even exist?

    Yes, of course they do:

    hkhq13TVRGc

    The unicorns really do exist, but your chances of scoring such a catch as the average male are basically nil.
    Of course women are humans like men so they have to have something between their ears. But modern
    culture and jurisprudence is so distorted that females can act like predators towards men. Divorce rape
    is real and 80% of divorces are initiated by women. They clearly have a financial incentive to file for
    divorce. If the system was not skewed then the divorces would be a 50/50 proposition since both
    men and women can have sufficient reason to terminate a marriage.

    The worst thing is that women are being worked over by the current social environment into parasites
    who never have to take the man's interests into account. The man is obliged to break his back to
    feed cash to the woman and she can be as abusive (even physically) as she wants and then becomes
    an instant "victim" if the man fights back. This is not a normal mentality, but this is what educational
    institutions, the government and the MSM are molding women into. Of course some women are not
    shallow and maintain their own identity. But cultural indoctrination is a powerful thing. Just look at
    all the male white knight cuck defenders of "damsels in distress" such as politicians and cops. The cops
    assume the woman is right if she claims the man engaged in physical abuse, they do not even bother
    to verify if there was any injury. If the man calls the cops on an abusive woman (and don't laugh some
    of them are scary psychos) then he is laughed at.

    The modern system in the west (and penetrating into the rest of the world) has transformed the relationship
    between a woman and a man into a nightmare for the man.

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    Post  GarryB on Tue Mar 17, 2020 10:02 am

    The unicorns really do exist, but your chances of scoring such a catch as the average male are basically nil.

    You can be pessimistic... I blame the nutters for that, but mother nature doesn't fuck around with virtue signallers... they might be rare but guys are actually going to talk to them and then talk to them again and the stupid bitches who can't get a second date (anyone can get a date... second dates are the real test) will start realising the bullshit they spout might be scaring away guys that might not be perfect (no one is) but might be someone you could be good friends for the rest of your life.

    The world is full of over 7 billion other human beings... they can't all be "the one" for you, but why would you limit yourself to searching for only your soul mate... your life is pretty sad if there is only one for you and you can't even talk or be friends with anyone else...
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    Post  Regular on Tue Mar 17, 2020 12:39 pm

    kvs wrote:

    Nice take down of the western hypocrisy exposed by the corona virus pandemic.    Hilarious how western fake stream media
    spins Chinese quarantine and travel restriction measures as some gross human rights abuse, but the desperate measures
    in Italy which are basically the same (hard quarantine) are treated as sacrifice to save Europe.

    Then we have the exposure of western "humanitarianism" for a total fraud as supposedly rich countries with well paid for
    health care systems (Sweden and Italy for example) who are leaving people to deal with the infection by themselves in
    their own homes.  If they die, then too bad.   All of the talk about extensive health care coverage evapourates super fast
    when Sweden cannot even afford to treat 700 infected and tells those under 40 to stay at home and recover.   Don't
    pretend you have magical health care systems when they fail at 700 patients.

    In Italy, they just leave dead bodies together with the family in house arrest quarantine.  

    Compare to the much maligned China where such primitive policies were never applied and people get compensated for
    being put in quarantine.   In the USA, they charge quarantined people $4000 for the privilege.


    China mangled up initial response, it was almost Chernobyl like. But their measures were probably one of the best. Wuhan is still under quarantine and they broke virus back by starting it out.
    Can anyone imagine USA doing the same? Or UK?
    No other country would be able to pull this level of organisation.
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    Post  kvs on Wed Mar 18, 2020 4:03 pm



    If you want to see what a Washington pundit is really like.

    These are the freaks that create the political climate in the USA.

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    Post  kvs on Wed Mar 18, 2020 6:11 pm



    "Advanced western technology" = monopoly extortion racket.

    I bet farmers in Russia do not have to "break the law" to fix their tractors. And if you call Russian tractors inferior, you are
    a ignoramus full of shit or a liar.

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    Post  Isos on Wed Mar 18, 2020 6:46 pm

    kvs wrote:

    If you want to see what a Washington pundit is really like.

    These are the freaks that create the political climate in the USA.


    Well he has the blue star on twitter. That's enough for the US people to believe him dunno lol1 .
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    Post  GarryB on Thu Mar 19, 2020 1:20 am

    "Advanced western technology" = monopoly extortion racket.

    I bet farmers in Russia do not have to "break the law" to fix their tractors. And if you call Russian tractors inferior, you are
    a ignoramus full of shit or a liar.

    John Deere are being dicks... they likely make millions of dollars from these farmers... if they expect a farmer to waste days and thousands of dollars sending tractors in to be checked out... when it might just be a minor 5 minute to fix problem, then they are just being dicks...

    How hard would it be to have someone with a pickup truck and a laptop computer that can go to the farm... hook up and find out what is wrong free of charge and then go from there... a minor problem they can fix it there perhaps telling the farmer what the problem is and they can both fix it and get the thing running again as soon as possible at no charge just as support for their product, and if it is a more major problem they can have a van sent out with the required parts needed to get it going again with a charge to the customer... much much cheaper that moving these big vehicles to and from farms so making it much more affordable...

    Perhaps a Russian company should take note and set up a few dealerships there to sell to the locals where they supply the diagnostic software and provide proper support as part of the purchase price of the vehicles. For obsolete material they no longer carry they can provide the support software so you can continue to use it yourself and support it yourself... but make the new replacement hardware so much better with useful features and perhaps lighter and smaller and more reliable so rather than forcing them to buy it they will buy it by choice.

    It seems American companies hate their customers and think they are stupid and are cows they can milk for money...
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    Post  kvs on Thu Mar 19, 2020 1:35 am

    GarryB wrote:
    "Advanced western technology" = monopoly extortion racket.

    I bet farmers in Russia do not have to "break the law" to fix their tractors. And if you call Russian tractors inferior, you are
    a ignoramus full of shit or a liar.

    John Deere are being dicks... they likely make millions of dollars from these farmers... if they expect a farmer to waste days and thousands of dollars sending tractors in to be checked out... when it might just be a minor 5 minute to fix problem, then they are just being dicks...

    How hard would it be to have someone with a pickup truck and a laptop computer that can go to the farm... hook up and find out what is wrong free of charge and then go from there... a minor problem they can fix it there perhaps telling the farmer what the problem is and they can both fix it and get the thing running again as soon as possible at no charge just as support for their product, and if it is a more major problem they can have a van sent out with the required parts needed to get it going again with a charge to the customer... much much cheaper that moving these big vehicles to and from farms so making it much more affordable...

    Perhaps a Russian company should take note and set up a few dealerships there to sell to the locals where they supply the diagnostic software and provide proper support as part of the purchase price of the vehicles. For obsolete material they no longer carry they can provide the support software so you can continue to use it yourself and support it yourself... but make the new replacement hardware so much better with useful features and perhaps lighter and smaller and more reliable so rather than forcing them to buy it they will buy it by choice.

    It seems American companies hate their customers and think they are stupid and are cows they can milk for money...

    John Deere are not in the business of spending a dime on their customers.   The motive for this racket is greed.   It is part of the
    same racket that Apple is engaged in.  



    Listen to the anti-right-to-repair lobbyists lie through their teeth that

    1) customers can get 3rd party repair of their choice:  that is manifestly untrue and would defeat the racket in the first place

    2) they care about the functionality of customer's equipment so they cannot allow freedom of choice in repair.   This is
    grade A chutzpah.   They deliberately design their garbage to be unfixable (in the case of Apple this includes making critical
    chips unsourceable outside of Apple, i.e. they foist overpriced custom production run parts for already existing chips which
    do the same job) and then operate grossly incompetent repair outfits like the "Genius bar" where low IQ chimps mess up
    your hardware and then demand more money to fix the damage they caused.   Apple also lies to its customers that
    water damaged smart-phones cannot have their data recovered.   This is complete physical nonsense and independent
    3rd party repair companies demonstrate that Apple is lying.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Thu Mar 19, 2020 8:27 am

    kvs wrote:
    GarryB wrote:
    "Advanced western technology" = monopoly extortion racket.

    I bet farmers in Russia do not have to "break the law" to fix their tractors. And if you call Russian tractors inferior, you are
    a ignoramus full of shit or a liar.

    John Deere are being dicks... they likely make millions of dollars from these farmers... if they expect a farmer to waste days and thousands of dollars sending tractors in to be checked out... when it might just be a minor 5 minute to fix problem, then they are just being dicks...

    How hard would it be to have someone with a pickup truck and a laptop computer that can go to the farm... hook up and find out what is wrong free of charge and then go from there... a minor problem they can fix it there perhaps telling the farmer what the problem is and they can both fix it and get the thing running again as soon as possible at no charge just as support for their product, and if it is a more major problem they can have a van sent out with the required parts needed to get it going again with a charge to the customer... much much cheaper that moving these big vehicles to and from farms so making it much more affordable...

    Perhaps a Russian company should take note and set up a few dealerships there to sell to the locals where they supply the diagnostic software and provide proper support as part of the purchase price of the vehicles. For obsolete material they no longer carry they can provide the support software so you can continue to use it yourself and support it yourself... but make the new replacement hardware so much better with useful features and perhaps lighter and smaller and more reliable so rather than forcing them to buy it they will buy it by choice.

    It seems American companies hate their customers and think they are stupid and are cows they can milk for money...

    John Deere are not in the business of spending a dime on their customers.   The motive for this racket is greed.   It is part of the
    same racket that Apple is engaged in.  



    Listen to the anti-right-to-repair lobbyists lie through their teeth that

    1) customers can get 3rd party repair of their choice:  that is manifestly untrue and would defeat the racket in the first place

    2) they care about the functionality of customer's equipment so they cannot allow freedom of choice in repair.   This is
    grade A chutzpah.   They deliberately design their garbage to be unfixable (in the case of Apple this includes making critical
    chips unsourceable outside of Apple, i.e. they foist overpriced custom production run parts for already existing chips which
    do the same job) and then operate grossly incompetent repair outfits like the "Genius bar" where low IQ chimps mess up
    your hardware and then demand more money to fix the damage they caused.   Apple also lies to its customers that
    water damaged smart-phones cannot have their data recovered.   This is complete physical nonsense and independent
    3rd party repair companies demonstrate that Apple is lying.

    Indeed, don't forget MuskRat and his company Tesla's policy to be a dick to 3rd party repair vendors.
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    Post  kvs on Thu Mar 19, 2020 3:08 pm

    Western companies love their repair scams. Remember all the inkjet printers a while back. They were cheaper to buy than
    the "precious" ink cartridges you needed to use them. Never buy an inkjet. Settle for a monochrome laser (shop around for
    serious ones and don't settle for toys) or spend some more for a colour laser. The powder ink (toner) for laser printers lasts at least
    10 times longer than the inkjet crap and is not 10 times more expensive.


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    Post  Regular on Thu Mar 19, 2020 3:23 pm

    kvs wrote:

    "Advanced western technology" = monopoly extortion racket.

    I bet farmers in Russia do not have to "break the law" to fix their tractors.   And if you call Russian tractors inferior, you are
    a ignoramus full of shit or a liar.


    There are plenty of John Deere tractors in Russia as well. Farmers are buying them as due to post sanctions earnings let them afford 120k euro tractors. I think it's been 10 years since Russia produce parts and whole tractors in their own country. I bet they cost cheaper than in the west. There are russian farmers on YouTube that have whole mix of Cat, Hitachi and Russian equipment - they don't give a fuck who makes it, they only care if it works. European farmers might have less selection as Russians have access to much cheaper and expendable Chinese equipment.
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    Post  Regular on Thu Mar 19, 2020 3:44 pm

    Talking about western technology.

    Most of it it's just European one. US is still Africa tier when it comes to industrial tools (EU and Japan lead there) and not to forget US car industry.

    US does crazy amount of technological spying (on EU countries and whole Asia) and they steal/extort patents as well. And even then - they are unable to build decent train, car, truck, measuring devices.
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    Post  kvs on Sat Mar 21, 2020 12:16 am

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    The above is transcendental inanity.

    1) Trans suicide due to lack of sex change operations has never been an issue. If it
    was then there would have been coverage about over the last 50 years.

    2) Obviously sex change operations are not "life saving". In the case of pre-teen boys they
    are male genital mutilation.

    3) Since when have trannies become so f*cking precious?

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    Post  Regular on Sat Mar 21, 2020 1:11 pm

    Gender dysphoria should be treated with psychological/therapeutic approach, not surgical.
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    Post  kvs on Sun Mar 22, 2020 3:06 pm



    The west bleats about freedom and human progress. But reality proves that it is a PC totalitarian toilet. The family court system
    is pure human rights abuse. Marriage was never about signing wavers giving away rights by the man to the woman. That is, it
    was never a binding to slavery. That the word "equality" is trotted out all the time proves that the laws are biased and are
    sugar coated by regime apparatchiks and party organizer "civil" activists such as feminists.

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    Post  kvs on Tue Mar 24, 2020 9:09 pm



    Why worshipers of western corporations are morons. The above is the characteristic evolution of mega-corps from small innovation
    based companies to quasi-monopolies only interested in "maintaining" market share and suppressing competition. The retardation
    really does take over like senility.

    For example, the Kodak idiot management didn't have the IQ to figure out that they could get into alternative storage media
    for digital cameras. Instead, they willfully ignored the writing on the wall and assumed that analog film rolls would be sold forever.
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    Post  kvs on Sat Mar 28, 2020 3:17 am



    Youtube is a totalitarian toilet which capriciously abuses the rights of its members in the guise of "automated" copyright monitoring.
    How the f*ck can you automate claims? There is no AI capable of sorting out the merit of a claim. It requires actual humans
    (with objectivity and not partisan drones) to evaluate a claim.

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    Post  Regular on Sat Mar 28, 2020 11:21 am

    kvs wrote:

    Youtube is a totalitarian toilet which capriciously abuses the rights of its members in the guise of "automated" copyright monitoring.
    How the f*ck can you automate claims?   There is no AI capable of sorting out the merit of a claim.   It requires actual humans
    (with objectivity and not partisan drones) to evaluate a claim.


    Guess who owns it? It should be called Zhydtube. Pederasty and degeneracy is promoted by the algorithm. There's little interesting content on it these days.
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    Post  kvs on Sat Mar 28, 2020 5:48 pm

    Regular wrote:
    kvs wrote:

    Youtube is a totalitarian toilet which capriciously abuses the rights of its members in the guise of "automated" copyright monitoring.
    How the f*ck can you automate claims?   There is no AI capable of sorting out the merit of a claim.   It requires actual humans
    (with objectivity and not partisan drones) to evaluate a claim.


    Guess who owns it? It should be called Zhydtube. Pederasty and degeneracy is promoted by the algorithm. There's little interesting content on it these days.

    Sergei Brin of Alphabet with the Trotskyist agenda.

    Interesting how "communism" dies with the USSR and the Trotskyist makeover of the USA and U-rope starts.
    In the USA, the Democrat Party is basically acting like the only party and has most of the MSM spreading
    propaganda on its behalf. All of the sudden, right wing opinions are no longer kosher. And in the USA it
    is mostly in the rapidly declining right that sanity prevails. All the so-called leftists are PC drones engaged
    in cancel culture.


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